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Operating Systems => Linux and UNIX => Topic started by: Lennon on 4 April 2003, 00:30
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Help me! I'm really helplessly spoiled by Win98 interface and stuff. I use Win98 for games and some programs because I believe its the "best" out of all the shit microsoft OSs. Its pretty stable, I reboot only twice a day :D and each reboot i get another grey hair but never mind.
But what i really want is a Linux or whatever, anything other then Windows. I want to Install it and keep Windows, so is that possible? I don't know where to get a free good OS, how to install and use it, what kind of interface to expect (similar to DOS?), how to use Internet (html, mIRC), where to get programs for it?
I have some knowledge about computers (cout << "I think i know some C++" ;) but I always thought i would get a Linux once i get a second machine, but i REALLY CANT WAIT ! I AM DESPERATE !!!!!! HELLLP!!!
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Do you have a CD burner? If so then this is your ticket to freedom. http://www.linuxiso.org (http://www.linuxiso.org)
By the way check out my screenshots page to see what linux looks like. http://skriptkittysecurity.cjb.net/mandrakescreenshots/ (http://skriptkittysecurity.cjb.net/mandrakescreenshots/)
[ April 03, 2003: Message edited by: ThePreacher ]
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Originally posted by Lennon:
I use Win98 for games and some programs because I believe its the "best" out of all the shit microsoft OSs. Its pretty stable, I reboot only twice a day :D and each reboot i get another grey hair but never mind.
<nazi party has voiced there own opinion in this post: XP SuX0Rz (screw your opinion)>
Yeah. It's all petty simple. Download and burn an iso to cd. Mandrake or Red Hat seem to be the easiest to use. Boot to that CD. Follow the directions. Play around with your HD during the install, shrinking the Windows partition and hoping it doesn't screw up. It'll set up all the dual boot, letting you choose Linux or Windows at boot. and what not with little need for your guidence. And then come back and bitch about how hard it is to intstall programs. That's about the very bare minimum of the basics. (http://smile.gif)
[ April 04, 2003: Message edited by: X11: crusader for beer ]
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Originally posted by fett101:
...And then come back and bitch about how hard it is to intstall programs...
with apt-get & synaptic, installing programs is easier than windows. the interface is pretty "windows like", but of course, you can change that if you want. you could make it look exactly like windows if you wanted.... Most of the apps you will need are on the install cds. Open Office (office suite), Mozilla (web browser), plus countless others :D
if you wanted to, you could go to a local book store & pick up a linux book. they usually ship with a linux distro. I would usggest red hat or mandrake linux...
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Thank you all SO MUCH, you all really helped and i DO have a CD burner so I'M FREE :D !!!
But only one major question. How do i connect to the net and what browser to use? Mozila?
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I saw those shots of Mandrake 8.8 or whatever so I'll install Mandrake. Looks like I cant go wrong. But i'm only concerned about hardware drivers and how to install programs, where to find them in the first place, etc??
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3rd post in a row:
And i suppose HD partition is absolutely necesary?
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pls read my long post you nice person you;
Oh well thanks but i'm not that lazy ;) i figure as much as I can by myself. So i found that i can install these files by typing:
.RPM - you can install .RPM files by typing into the commandline:
# rpm -Uvh /path/to/something.RPM
I suppose thats true for installing Mozilla too, and i will learn the rest of uesful switches (such as -i --force) as i go along, i suppose it would be asking too much for you to explaing all the possible switches to me.
Now, why doesn't the fuckmicrosoft.com guy put up a special section for us Newbies who decide to install Linux and kick Microsoft in the nuts? It would be useful and i believe once people read about it and see screenshots like i did, they will see that the GUI isnt ThAt bad and the benefits they get are huge (excluding gaming). Would Calum or whoevers the boss around here, consider my suggestion?
Another question: Does Mandrake 9.1 which i'll be downloading for the next 38 hours have an integrated compiler/builder/linker or whatever with which i can directly compile some source code i get over the WWW? So many free programs need to be compiled!
In what language is the programming done in Linux? I'm learning C++ so can I make some of my own stuff?
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OH MY GOD..i saw linux screenshots that buddy gave...linux is really amazing...but is it used only by coding ...i mean no win type things? i've never used linux ...i 've always been on win...do you think it would be hard for me to understand linux?
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I really am annoyed -- sometimes -- at the perception that Linux is only used for coding, or you have to know how to program to use it. I myself am majoring in Computer Science, but most of the time I use Linux to surf the web, do email, word processing, drawing, and play games (warcraft 3 and counterstrike being my favorite at the moment) Most Windows apps won't work on Linux but many games will with the help of wine. There are certainly "win-type" things in Linux, meaning you can do practically everything you could do in Windows, like file sharing, games, office, etc.
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oh..but will my Fruity Loops will work on Linux or such software ??
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Yes you can still eat Fruit Loops while using Linux.
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Silent Warrior, the thing is you can KEEP your windows AND install Linux. Linux is 10 times faster, stable, doesn't spy on you, etc. And for whatever you need your Windows-only apps, you just boot up Windows! I mean i would prefer to have two seperate machines but I'll just partition my HD, and off you go. I'm really sick of windows crashing ANY browser I use after a few hours. Even Opera gets all crazy, my memory is screwed up - i only have a few RAM left and I'm using a RamBooster program, and my registry is screwed beyond repair!! So FUCK WINDOWS! Use it only when necesary, install Linux (Mandrake), its real easy to use (I'm sure)!!!!
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hey dude...thatks a lot for your info...i would gladly insitall linux now..thanks again..
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Glad if I was able to speed things up for you! (http://smile.gif)
Now if only someone could answer the questions I have set a few posts up??
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As (apparently) one of the few resident Debian users, I am willing to share my meager knowlege of the art of Linux; First and foremost, DON'T let someone tell you to install Debian; it won't work, someone who hasn't used Linux for a while will NOT be able to succesfully install Debian; you need a grounding in a more user-friendly Linux distro; I'd reccomend Redhat 8.0; it's an easy install except for DiskDruid, the partitioning app; it's not intuitive, but if you persevere, you'll be alright. I'm using Mozilla as a browser, but most Linux browsers will work well out of the box; I just like Mozilla. Yes, you can multi-boot; I'm booting Redhat 8.0, Debian Sarge, Libratnet 2.0, Knoppix 3.2 and Win98. Redhat will setup a booting utility called GRUB; it's cake; just answer a couple of questions and off you go.
Anything else?
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Yes you can still eat Fruit Loops while using Linux.
Fruity Loops is a music program used for editing wave files I believe...
i'm not aware of any such programs on linux but search www.freshmeat.net (http://www.freshmeat.net) for similar programs there will probably be something there.
BTW for silent warrior / Lennon before you try an install back up all your important data and maybe read some info on partitioning it's the most difficult part of installing. Basically you'll need a root (/) partition and a swap partition to use just linux, for linux and windows youll need a boot partition, followed immediately by a windows partition, then root and swap on either of the 3rd / 4th partitions.
Boot will not need to be big... you can spare 15meg for it on mandrake (most of which will be empty) however red hat 8 will give an error message if its smaller than 80... (stupid red hat...)
Win will just be win... the size you feel is right for you (ie windows and all apps must fit on this partition - so it will be big (bloat.))
Root (/) is the same as win... however big you feel is right for linux... Can be pretty small if you want it to be.
Swap is tricky, different people say different things. You can probably spare 300 meg with the size of hard drives these days or if you feel like wasting space like me the maximum size is 2 gigabytes. 300 (or less) should be fine though.
if you search google for "linux documentation project"+partitioning then you should get a how-to on partitioning, which will help.
Its not too difficult and I'm sure you'll get there. ;)
edit : make SURE that the partition you resize is defragmented before the resizing.
[ April 05, 2003: Message edited by: Faust ]
[ April 05, 2003: Message edited by: Faust ]
[ April 05, 2003: Message edited by: Faust ]
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Originally posted by creedon : As (apparently) one of the few resident Debian users
Add one to the tally dude. (http://smile.gif)
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In what language is the programming done in Linux? I'm learning C++ so can I make some of my own stuff?
If its a programming language there will be a compiler for it on linux. Definitely for something as popular as C. BTW ".tar.gz" packages for programs on linux tend to be actual C source code for you to read if you feel like seeing some examples of how others program in C. 8-)
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what kind of interface to expect (similar to DOS?), how to use Internet (html, mIRC), where to get programs for it?
The interface depends on what you like - some will be VERY similar to windows (XPwm), some will be user friendly (gnome / kde), some will be very similar (in appearance) to DOS (xterms/rxvt et all.)
Interfaces largely vary with what window manager you use (i use blackbox). Mandrake comes with lots and Red Hat comes with slightly less but they're all different so you can choose which you like... for starters either kde or gnome are pretty "beginner friendly."
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Download and burn an iso to cd.
Linux cds are also commonly found on computer magazines or in newsagents attached to a small helpbook - these helpbooks can be fantastic for a first time user, and the cds save a lot of downloading time. 8-) One point to bear in mind is that you may (especially if you use an internal modem, which will probably be a "winmodem") want to have internet access elsewhere for asking questions should you be unable to get the internet on your machine working. Internet on red-hat or mandrake is pretty straightforward if you have an external or internal hardware modem though.
You can also buy CDs off the net - i order mine (in australia) from www.everythinglinux.com, (http://www.everythinglinux.com,) but I'm sure stores like this exist in almost all countries.
Also make sure your cd burner can support .iso images if you want to burn linux to a cd. Most do, but Nero Burning ROM for one doesnt.
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Originally posted by fett101:
...And then come back and bitch about how hard it is to intstall programs...
Both red hat and mandrake have very intuitive package management systems and they can install all the basic programs for you straight off the installation cds - the more cds you have in a set the more you can install off them obviously. The first cd will hold all the "essentials" and the cds after that typically contain other packages in order of popularity - only the first cd is essential however.
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But only one major question. How do i connect to the net and what browser to use? Mozila?
Again its personal preference. Mozilla is my favorite, but everyone else has different choices.
(Dont ask which is best or you'll start a big argument...) For starters use mozilla as its installed by default and its similar to what youve used before. After that ask what the best browser is and THEN you can watch the fight start. 8-)
Connecting to the net should be easy, just be sure that you're modem isnt a "winmodem" - modems that are designed for windows for cost reasons - its cheaper to have windows handle all the jobs the modem does, but its slower, wastes your CPUs valuable time and typically the savings in price wont be passed on to the consumer.
There are also literally hundreds of IRC clients / ftp applications / email applications etcetera for linux... if its on the internet linux can access it. 8-)
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But i'm only concerned about hardware drivers and how to install programs, where to find them in the first place, etc??
hardware drivers are typiccaly all pre-installed inside the linux kernel. Some drivers like the 3D card drivers may need replacing with "better" drivers but this isnt too hard - for NVidia cards now it's extremely easy.
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i mean no win type things?
Barring games linux probably has *more* applications than windows. If it has a windows version there will be a linux program that does the same thing. Linux also has tons of emulators for windows, nintendos, consoles, playstations, game boys, dos, graphics calculators etcetera so if you cant bear to part with a program you can emulate it.
www.linuxgames.com (http://www.linuxgames.com) has a list of games that run on linux - not all suck take for example UT2003. 8-)
www.winehq.com (http://www.winehq.com) has details on a program that can run a lot of windows programs in linux, almost always at the same speed that windows runs the originals, or faster in some cases.
www.freshmeat.net (http://www.freshmeat.net) has a lot of linux programs for download and if you dont want to waste download time the install CDs typically have a lot of programs already on them... in the case of mandrake about three seperate fully featured "office suites" for example.
X11 has above me also posted some good sites for help.
and finally : I was in the same position you were in a little while ago and I managed it... if I can do it anyone can. ;)
edit : some public libraries also have linux isos available for loan (usually attached to a book or magazine of course.) and most have linux help books to borrow if you feel you need help.
[ April 05, 2003: Message edited by: Faust ]
A lot of the above edits are to do with changing freshmeats address to www.freshmeat.net. (http://www.freshmeat.net.) Sorry about posting the wrong URL everybody...
[ April 05, 2003: Message edited by: Faust ]
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For Your Information X11 the above URL for linux help is wrong... should be www.linuxhelp.net (http://www.linuxhelp.net)
Please correct it so you don't frustrate people who click on the link expecting help...
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Wow those posts really put a smile on my face (http://smile.gif)
Thank you so much!
I might consider wrapping all this up and making a quick FAQ for all the people who decide to convert to Linux but need such basic answers. Or maybe someone else could make it! These answers helped so much I'm already a HUGE fan of the infamous penguin!
Now. I have a 40GB hard drive, with only one main drive (C (http://smile.gif) currently taking up 38 GB.
First I'll burn some of my data on some CDs and clean up a little.
So should i do this?:
What I'll do during the installation is make following partitions:
C: - boot, 85 MB (In case I need Red Hat sometime)
D: - for windows 98, 25 GB
E: - Root for Linux Mandrake 9.1, 14 GB
F: - Swap fof Linux, approx. 1 GB
Questions (short answers will do):
-Can i just leave some of my files on C: (38 GB) and just split it up, leaving the windows crap where it belongs while surgically moving some folders to E: or should i make C: 25 GB or less in size and then create the other partitions?
-Can i do the partitioning in BIOS or is it always done in the installation process (which i start by booting from the CD)?
-How do i re-partition once i get a new 120 GB HD, or decide i want more room for Linux - can it be done without any harm?
Thanks in advance for any short answers/clues you might give me considering those questions. I'll do some searches online but not too much cos my (single 64k) ISDN is already downloading at full 7.6 KB/s (GetRight rulez) for 30 hours. I suppose Linux doesn't have a problem with ISDN btw?
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Glad that I could help... 8-)
Firstly windows will not recognize the partitions so you should only have a "C:" drive, which will be the windows one.
the partition scheme looks very workable...
it would also be nice for you to have the windows partition as fat32 as linux can read/write to that so you can store all files on that drive and access them from both systems.
1 ) splitting I have never done - i believe you resize the original partition lower leaving blank space elsewhere. maybe someone else would like to post a short how-to on partition resizing?
the easiest way for me was to back up all files onto cdr then just wipe the disk and start afresh but thats a bit drastic - i wasnt worried by it because I had already lost everything.
2 ) partitioning is done through the boot up process on the linux cd - mandrake / red hat make it pretty user friendly but it is good to be sure so feel free to reboot and remove the cd if you want to doublecheck with someone online, as before you do the partitioning nothing on your computer has changed. Both red hat and mandrake let you "plan out" your changes to the hard drive partitions and then actually write the changes after that.
3 ) you can just repartition the new 120 without affecting the original hard drive - if you decide you want to have more linux space you can always change the partition scheme and only those partitions you actually modify will be changed - ie you can change only "some" of the partitions at a time.
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OK, those helped a lot! I read some stuff elsewhere too.
So once i do the partitioning from the install:
-Will i be able to access the drives other then C: from Windows? Will it even see them?
-What about access to drives from Linux, considering C: is fat32 right now?
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Linux will be able to read / write the FAT32 drives
WIndows will not even see the linux drives
BTW when you choose what to format the linux drives as, I suggest Ext3, Ext2 or ReiserFS (in that order.)
And... while I hate to admit this X11 is probably right re : the fact that youll have difficulty filling a 10G linux partition. 5 gig or so probably isnt too much too spare even if you dont need it and it will be difficult to fill... I just have large partitions because I can spare the space and it makes it much easier for me. (http://smile.gif)
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OK thanks for those answers.
Now i will:
-Make my C: drive have 24.5 GBs (I'll burn all those mp3s on CDs)
-Defragment C: (Windows 98 is slow, any better programs for defrag?)
-Install Linux.
Am i missing something?
As for Win98, it has amazingly been runing without crashing for the last 40 hours! Although i barely touched it out of fear of it crashing, I posted here and browsed using Opera.
(http://smile.gif) Now it takes around 30 seconds for my P3 933Mhz to open another folder, 10 seconds for a drop down menu to load... wow how screwed up can you get. And Opera is doing great, when i used MSIE long time ago, by now i would need 5 seconds for each typed letter in this "Add reply" text box! LOL!
fuck windows
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do'h !
That means I'll have to wait another 20 hours or so be4 i experience freedom :(
Well *sigh* I'll just look at it like it was a train ride from China to Canada! (http://smile.gif)
And yeah, let me mention that Win98 is completely fucked up now, It must be realizing its about to be replaced. Just now i had my mouse cursor completely disappear! I thought that could NEVER happen because whenever it hangs up, the mouse is ALWAYS there! Now the cursor would disappear on exactly one window which i was working in, and the windows contents also. They would all re-appear after a few minutes of waiting. Amazing (http://smile.gif) how shit can you get! I also noticed that windows has made a swap file which has reached around 2GB by now :D congrats to me!
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YEAHHHH!
Mandrkae 9.1 iso finished, checksum correct!
Dunno why i feel so euphoric! Man!
now off to defrag........ 8-|
But how will the install program know which part is the "beginning" of C: and i hope it doesn't delete some of my files? It should be ok after i defragment it i suppose? Is this 100% sure :S cos i dont wanna loose some IMPORTANT programs i have on there......
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You should always back up anything you can't live without because no matter how perfect everything can seem to be going, shit happens. Something as unexpected as a power outage can cause years of torment.
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Hey fellas... I'm down.
I can't defragment my HD, windows keeps screweing up, even if i End Task it down to absolute minimum. So can someone answer me: What would happen if i partition, without defragmenting?
Data loss, screwed up HD i suppose??
Now i can either:
-Find a DOS program for defragmenting.
-Do it the hard win98 way, by waiting till it gets to 18% then it restarts, next time it reached 20%, restarts, next time 22%... and so on for about five days :(
-Install w/out defrag, and hope for the best.
I'M NEARLY THERE ! Someone pls help...
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As was said above:
BACKUP BACKUP BACKUP!
let me repeat that:
BACKUP BACKUP BACKUP!
partitioning is a tricky business, even experienced partitioners always back up the essentials!
DOS program for defrag : at the dos prompt type defrag C:
(defrag -a C: will analyze the drive)
note that after defrag the portions of the drive that will be changed (front and rear I believe...) must show as white or as free space.
for defragmenting on Windows I use norton speed disk which does a much more thorough job...
but norton costs money...
the easiest solution for me is a back up, partition and format all, reinstall windows, install linux. But if you want info on partitioning without reinstalling windows someone else here should have info on FIPS, the First Interactive Partition Splitter. Again my personal thoughts are that its less worrying to format the entire drive and just partition it as blank. (edit : provided you have backups of course...)
Note : make sure you make a linux boot disk at the prompt! (requires a floppy... remember them? :D )
and in case you missed it the first few times:
BACKUP BACKUP BACKUP!
[ April 06, 2003: Message edited by: Faust ]
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LoL ok ok ok Faust! Thanks for reminding me once again. I'll BACKUP for sure!!! Just hope i got enough CDs...
And i downloaded some Diskeeper defrag program, after i tried that in DOS and it didnt work. I have never defragmented my HD since i got the computer (2 years) (http://smile.gif) so 10% takes around 1 hour... Is this normal? And i cant backup and format, cos i have some installed software which i need and cannot re-install.
As for the floppy, i think i got some ... in the basement :D
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You could try booting in safe mode and defragging.
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Hey everyone, I got the Linux up and running!! :D
I feel delighted just like that time when I lost virginity... I mean I really did loose it!
The partitioning was done perfectly, no data lost as i can see so far. I got the partitioning schedule as i wanted it, but i wasnt clear on what JFS was. Now i understand, and it all works really speedy. The only "problem" i had is in Mandrake Control Center, once it took around 20 seconds to load. But i browsed around the OS for about 1 hour and i am really amazed. KDE looks awesome, and i dont know why anybody would complain about GUIs! Everything is SO fast, i can feel it! I managed to get a better refresh rate on my monitor, that XMMS mp3 player is so fast, Konqueror is AMAZING, etc.
One problem: I can't seem to get my ISDN going (http://tongue.gif) but thats ok cos i'm probably doing something obviously stupid as i'm real tired now. Now i used something like "DrakConnect", and i see it detects my card but it won't connect.
This works in Window$ 98:
DMI-128l+ ISDN Card
D-Link International
E-DSS1 (Euro-ISDN) Protocol
PCM Law: A Law
So my question:
-Can anyone offer any suggestions about what drivers/programs to get to easily configure/connect my ISDN card?
-Should i get a new ISDN card? This one sux anyway.
Perhaps someone else had a similar problem...
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Fuck. New card it is...
http://www.dlink.co.in/dlink/Products/isdn/dmi128i+.htm (http://www.dlink.co.in/dlink/Products/isdn/dmi128i+.htm)
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HEY EVERYONE! (http://smile.gif)
I managed to connect in Mandrake Linux 9.1, the problem turned out to be my ISP. Everything works fine, but i don't like Mozilla, i like the other one better.
I noticed not many replies are here so i must be getting annoying. But just in case someone bothers to answer the simple question i am supposed to bitch about:
HOW THE HELL DO I INSTALL PROGRAMS!????
I mean i do the ./configure, make, make install, make clean commands but... erm, it dont work bros! And once intalled, how do i get my progs going?
Is a restart needed for registry update in Linux?
HeLp! !! :eek:
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Mandrake 9.1. They actually made it some much easier. Go download a rpm package and double click it.
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Yeah i can handle RPM but i get tar.bz or tar.gz sometimes.
It tells me i need to compile it. I get a bunch of .cpp .h files and so on, so i'm pretty sure i need to compile it.
And anyway, once i install the RPM packages, how do i start the program up ?
Anyone who could answer?
[ April 07, 2003: Message edited by: Lennon ]
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If you install a program via RPM, just pull up kpackage (look in your menu, under Configuration, then Packaging), look up the package you just installed, (just go to "file" - "find package". You don't have to know the full name of the package, just the main idea is fine). Click on the "File List" tab on the right hand side, where the description of the package is. Look for "/usr/bin/*filename* or "/usr/local/bin/*filename*. Whatever it says in one of those directories, that's the command you type to run the program. You don't have to switch to the directory to run it, just simply pull up a terminal and type the name of the program.
The above procedure isn't as complicated as I made it sound. It's really pretty straightforward. To make a desktop icon in KDE, just simply right click anywhere on the desktop. On the menu that pops up, select "Create New...", then "link to application". From there, you can create a desktop icon for an application. Say you just installed GAIM from an rpm. They put an executable script in the directory /usr/bin, so you don't have to specify any directory when making your desktop icon. You can just simply put "gaim" in on the execute tab, where it says "command".
That was probably more info than you really needed, but I hope it's helpful.
As for programs installed from source, the vast majority of the time, when "make install" is run, it places an executable with the same name as the tar.gz package in a "bin" directory (i.e. usr/bin, usr/local/bin, etc). So just simply typing the name of the program should get it running. For example, let's say you compiled and installed a program called mplayer-0.9.0.tar.gz. When you run "make install", it places an executable called "mplayer" in your usr/bin or /usr/local/bin directory. Therefore, simply typing "mplayer" at the command line, regardless of what directory you're in, will start up mplayer.
Occasionally, programs don't put executables in any "bin" directories. But in this case, they usually tell you where they installed to.
And let me re-assure you, this is much easier than I'm making it sound. Sorry about that..... ;)
THE SHORT VERSION OF THE ABOVE MESSAGE....
Say you installed mplayer-0.9.0rc2.rpm or you installed mplayer-0.9.0rc2.tar.gz. In both cases, just simply typing "mplayer" at the command line will launch the application, regardless of what directory you're currently in at the terminal. The same applies to making desktop icons.
Another example:
mozilla-1.3b-i686-sea-tar.gz or mozilla-1.3b-i686-sea.rpm. In both cases, after installing the program, simply typing "mozilla" will start it.
Hopefully, this clears things up for you. Hopefully, I didn't cause you to run from your computer screaming....
:D
[ April 07, 2003: Message edited by: emh ]
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And I took a second look at your message, and it seems you're having a bit of trouble compiling from source. Usually, that happens when the compiler is looking for something and can't find it. The configure script should tell you if it needed something. Where exactly does your compiling from source fail? Do you get errors in configure, or make?
Oh, another thing, when typing "make install", be sure you are logged in as root before typing that command.
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Lets go, all over again. Please read carefully.
Thanks ehm, but this is too fucked up.
I'm running Mandrake 9.1 just so you know.
Firstly - when i go to Configure > Packaging, theres no file, find package or anything, wherever i go. Theres just:
-Install Software
-Mandrake Update
-Remove Software
-Software Source Manager
And none of these contain "Finding" files.
Now i installed linuxvideostudio-0.1.7-1src.rpm in hoping i would play some DivXs and it all seemed fine, but theres NOTHING in my /bin or any other directories. I tried the normal find files, nothing.
I also tried typing all sorts of commands in the Terminals > Konsole but nothing.
I'm not even sure the damn program IS for mandrake. How am i supposed to know that, is there any difference? Maybe its a plug in, theres no documentation with it, nothing to give me even a hint!
Ok now about the compiling.
i got two programs for video display. one of which is xmps-0.2.0 which i unpacked to /tmp and tried doing ./configure. During configure it gave me the usual checks and i once saw "command not found" if it matters but in the end it says
XMPS build configuration:
- Build GNOME gui: yes
Does it mean i cant run it unde KDE?
When i run make install and make, i get all sorts of "parse error before '*' token" and " 'name' undeclared (first use in this function) " and error 1... make has 2 errors. (http://smile.gif)
Now i tried ./configure with kmplayer and it says "Good - your configure finished. Start make now" but once i type make install it says "mkdir: cannot create directory ... Permission Denied" so i tried typing login, and then root and then password, but that didn't work. Then i tried logging out and i shut down my whole Linux system so here i am typing the whole post once again... :( now i hope someone answers because i gave up. I'll need a few days to regain strength to go on with this...
when i type login i get "login:" i type "root" i get "Password:" and cant type anything. I press enter, then i type the password, and it says its wrong.
And the You must exec "login" from the lowest level "sh" message is very annoying too...
Another bitching:
And now because i am typing this in a text file, i have to wait a few minutes to connect to the net because this strange network program will not use the full capabilities of my ISDN so i have to wait 20 seconds each time my ISP rejects me, where in windows i wait 1 second... any better internet connection programs out there??? No i quit, i'll have to connect from windows... here i am posting from win98.
P.S.
Please answer, im out of ideas how to run anything on here... so please before i loose it :(
Took me 40 minutes to write this post and i am so agitated i am planning to sell my computer if things keep going this way. Fuck machines. :mad:
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Terminal is your friend, always have at least 1 terminal open all the time.
RPMS:
$ su
<root pass>
# rpm -Uhv rpmname.rpm
SOURCE (tar.bz2/gz/others)
$ tar -xzvf (xjvf i think for bz2) tardotgzfile.tar.gz
$ cd tardotgzfile
$ ./configure
$ make
$ su
<root pass>
# make install
# exit
$ tardotgzfile (this is the name of the program, this is how you execute it)
I hope this helps a bit mate, it will be hard at first, but once oyu get used to it you wont want to let linux go!
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quote:
Originally posted by Lennon:
XMPS build configuration:
- Build GNOME gui: yes
Does it mean i cant run it unde KDE?
no. not in any way. kde stuff and gnome stuff is now so well integrated that you can usually run programs written for one on the other totally transparently. there are still one or two exceptions but you are unlikely ever to meet them.
quote:
When i run make install and make, i get all sorts of "parse error before '*' token" and " 'name' undeclared (first use in this function) " and error 1... make has 2 errors. (http://smile.gif)
you need to run make before you run make install. quote:
Now i tried ./configure with kmplayer and it says "Good - your configure finished. Start make now" but once i type make install it says "mkdir: cannot create directory ... Permission Denied" so i tried typing login, and then root and then password, but that didn't work.
ok, first of all, you have to run make install as root. to do this, type "su -", the 'su' makes you root and the '-' tells the system to load root's configuration stuff. then you need to type in the root password. you'll find this a lot less messy than trying to run another login session. type "man su" to find out more about 'su', eg you can use it to become other users as well as just root.
do check after you become root that you are still in the same directory you were in before. you can do this by typing "pwd" (which stands for print working directory) at any time to find out where in the directory tree you are.
it's difficult for me to try and help more unless you be more specific than "that didn't work".
quote:
Then i tried logging out and i shut down my whole Linux system
ah... you won't be able to install anything that way...
quote:
when i type login i get "login:" i type "root" i get "Password:" and cant type anything. I press enter, then i type the password, and it says its wrong.
And the You must exec "login" from the lowest level "sh" message is very annoying too...
well, as i said above, you shouldn't really be typing 'login' you should be using 'su' instead (it stands for super user by the way, i find it's easier to remember these commands when you know what they mean). i suspect none of these login problems will be there if you use su instead. nonetheless, if i get any errors typing in my root password then i usually change it as soon as possible, just in case. to do this, as root, type "passwd" which will prompt you for a new password, twice. you can do this as any user to change your password, and if you are root, you can do "passwd username" to change the password for that user too.
quote:
Another bitching:
And now because i am typing this in a text file, i have to wait a few minutes to connect to the net because this strange network program will not use the full capabilities of my ISDN so i have to wait 20 seconds each time my ISP rejects me, where in windows i wait 1 second... any better internet connection programs out there??? No i quit, i'll have to connect from windows... here i am posting from win98.
can't help you here, i have never used this type of connection. i have a feeling it might be some settings thing rather than a problem with the actual connection program whatever it is though i could be wrong. somebody who uses this type of connection would be more help.
it took me a while when i was new to it all to successfully install anything from source, basically i suggest you read all the readme files and install text files and stuff before you try to install the program. i know it sounds boring but you get the hang of it. i find it is a good idea to type "./configure --help" before you start too, to see if there are any options you can add to ./configure which you might want (like if i was installing mplayer, there are quite a lot of things i put after ./configure on the same line, to enable features et cetera, if you see what i mean).
also http://voidmain.is-a-geek.net/redhat/ (http://voidmain.is-a-geek.net/redhat/)
in particular the apt-get and fonts ones. they're not directly relevant but they are easy and will probably be something you'll want (especially apt-get for installing stuff) at some time. you are using red hat aren't you?
also there are some basic FAQs that we put together at http://belg88.com/faqman/index.php?op=cat&c=2 (http://belg88.com/faqman/index.php?op=cat&c=2) which i think will be a great help to you.
edit: maybe this will help you with your isdn issues?
http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/custom-guide/s1-network-config-isdn.html (http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/custom-guide/s1-network-config-isdn.html)
[ April 08, 2003: Message edited by: Calum: crusader for peace & freedom ]
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oi dont go misleading the boy, su stands for substitute users, go root and type # su (nameofsomeoneelseonyoursystem) and whammo you are them :D
I dont like saying it like that, i usually refer to it as switch user.
I know im being picky, but someone told me it was super user, the i went into irc one day and they laughed at me when i said it was super user. Also in one of my b00ks it says substitute users. (http://tongue.gif)
now, to get that word processor going :rolleyes:
[ April 08, 2003: Message edited by: Doogee : Get Slack ]
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Thanks Dooge, thats probably the greatest help i could get, cos i understand the workings just not the logic... i think... I'm posting from windows now, cos i found my ISDN is not working (I get hardware errors all over the place) but on random, it wakes up and i'm able to connect. So that other problem is about my hardware, not Mandrake.
Calum, thanks, your answer was a sorta variation on Dooges (http://smile.gif) ... it comes in handy. Thanks for the links!! I'll check them out. edit: You should also note i use Mandrake 9.1
Now i'll go try it out and come back when i have other stuff to bitch about. :cool:
[ April 08, 2003: Message edited by: Lennon ]
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quote:
Originally posted by Lennon:
YEAHHHH!
Mandrkae 9.1 iso finished......
Lucky bugger! I cant find a mirror for love-nor-money!
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doesn't mandrake 9.1 come with apt installed? i ask because you mentioned mandrake update. i haven't used 9.1, so i am just going by hearsay. sorry i didn't add much to what was being said, and would you believe, i was just on my way back here to change it from 'super' user to 'substitute' user, but somebody had beaten me to it!
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No but it comes with something called urpmi which is similar.
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Hey guys, is something so wrong with ME or my OS? Nothing will work, bz2 or gz. I unpack them properly and then:
I run ./configure and i see no error messages. Then make, and i still get the messages such as:
filename.c:419: warning: return type defaults to 'int'
'list' undeclared (first use in this function)
'config' undeclared (first use in this function)
parse error before ')' token
parse error before '*' token
then going to root and typing make install produces same results :(
going to root before typing the first make produces no results either
I tried unpacking with -xzvf and -xjvf switches both types, nothihg.
I mean... i really love Linux with what it already has, even though its hard to learn, but no matter how much i love it i can't use it if i can't install programs... so plz. anyone... :(
And i know about urpmi, but it wont compile stuff for me, it will only install rpm thingys...
Hoping for a reply.
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im not totallypp sure but it looks like whoever wrote that program doesnt really know what theyre doing (thats why the code wont compile) or you are missing something the program relies on, this is called a dependancy (remember that word, youll be using it alot hehe)
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Lennon, just so we can help you a bit more, could you tell us the last part of the terminal output of one of the programs you were trying to compile? My gut reaction is to concur with Doogie, that the program you tried to install wasn't made very well. However, there might be missing packages that configure didn't detect as well. Telling us the last part of the "make" output can help us help you figure out what is wrong, especially if, as you say, it seems to be happening with every tar.gz file you've tried to run "make" on.
By the way, referring all the way back to the RPM you told us you had right in the message right after my last message, this is actually what's called a source RPM, identified by "src.rpm" at the end. You can't install this like a regular RPM. What you have to do is log in as root, go to the directory that the src.rpm is in, and type "rpm --rebuild packagename.src.rpm" Then it compiles and creates RPMs that can be installed like normal.
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Nope :(
I tried that RPM again, the way you told me and i got this:
(This is the exact screen, with all the commands i typed)
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[root@localhost tmp]# rpm --rebuild linuxvideostudio-0.1.7-1.src.rpm
Installing linuxvideostudio-0.1.7-1.src.rpm
error: failed build dependencies:
gtk+-devel is needed by linuxvideostudio-0.1.7-1
gdk-pixbuf-devel is needed by linuxvideostudio-0.1.7-1
mjpegtools-devel is needed by linuxvideostudio-0.1.7-1
[root@localhost tmp]#
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I also tried messing around with the tar.gz files, and here are the messages i got on the screen:
first i did ./confgigure and then "make" command:
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kmplayerview.cpp:377: invalid use of undefined type 'struct ArtsL::SoundServerV2'
kmplayerview.h:39: forward declaration of 'struct Arts::SoundServerV2'
kmplayerview.cpp: In member function 'void KmplayerView::SetVolume(int)':
...(some more similar stuff)
make [3]: *** [kmplayerview.lo] Error 1
make [3]: Leaving directory '/home/john/tmp/kmp/kmplayer/kmplayer'
make [2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make [2]: Leaving directory '/home/john/tmp/kmp/kmplayer/kmplayer'
make [1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make [1]: Leaving directory '/home/john/tmp/kmp/kmplayer'
make: *** [all] Error 2
[root@localhost kmplayer]#
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There should that be enough for someone to help me? I think its these "dependencies" shit i need to work around. I'll also get some other tar.gz stuff and try make them work, just to be sure...
On the good side of things, WWW is doing Awesome on Linux. Galeon is great. I am wondering if i can set up http or ftp presentations ... you know like http://123.12.123.12:80 (http://123.12.123.12:80) or something. And how do i find my IP on Linux?
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Another thing:
I just downloaded some amsn program, cos i wanna chat online, or at least try to. So i got the pure rpm file, not the .src.rpm. I instllaed it, it told me something like "To satisfy dependancies amsn has to be installed" (?) and then the progress bar was going and it told me something about it not having the GDP signature. I clicked OK anyway.
So its installed, and i type amsn in the console and it tells me:
Error in open script: could
n't open "dirname" no such file or directory
while executing
"open" something " r "
...some code...
invoked from within
"cmsn_draw_about"
invoked from within
if { some more code ...
}
... file path and line 2684 something...
I believe you dont need it more precise then that. I can't find any executables by the way. I'm not even sure what an executable looks like in Linux :-}
Then i tried installing some "trackballs" game i downloaded from sourceforge.net, recent version, and after it told me about GDP signature missing it goes
Conflicts detected:
libGLcore.so.1 is needed by trackballs-0.9.0-1mdk
libguile.so.12 is needed by trackballs-0.9.0-1mdk
libSDL_image-1.2.so.0 is needed by trackballs-0.9.0-1mdk
libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0 is needed by trackballs-0.9.0-1mdk
libSDL_ttf-2.0.so.0 is needed by trackballs-0.9.0-1mdk
Is it just me or does everybody have it so hard when they start out?
[ April 09, 2003: Message edited by: Lennon ]
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quote:
Originally posted by Lennon:
Nope :(
I tried that RPM again, the way you told me and i got this:
(This is the exact screen, with all the commands i typed)
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[root@localhost tmp]# rpm --rebuild linuxvideostudio-0.1.7-1.src.rpm
Installing linuxvideostudio-0.1.7-1.src.rpm
error: failed build dependencies:
gtk+-devel is needed by linuxvideostudio-0.1.7-1
gdk-pixbuf-devel is needed by linuxvideostudio-0.1.7-1
mjpegtools-devel is needed by linuxvideostudio-0.1.7-1
[root@localhost tmp]#
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okay, what's happening here is that the rpm program has a database which records all the packages you have installed. to save space, time and processing time most linux packages depend upon you having some other linux packages already installed. What is happening here is that rpm is having a look in its database and it is checking the list of required packages (required by the program you are trying to install) with the list of what is installed on your system. if all the requirements are not met, then it won't install the program (because it knows the program won't run anyway).
Now there's a wrinkle. if you installed a package, let's say it was mjpegtools-devel, in a way other than using rpm, like for instance you installed it from source code or other method, then rpm will have no mention of it in the rpm database, so the upshot is, the package is installed, but rpm doesn't know about it and will still not allow the install to go ahead. if this is the case, you can put "--force --nodeps" after "rpm -Uvh" and it will install without checking for dependencies*. this might work, but it might not. even if you do have the errant package installed, if you didn't install it from an rpm, it might not even be in the right directory for your rpm program to find it. this is why it is best if at all possible to use only rpm packages on an rpm based linux system.
in this case, the dependencies you need probably aren't installed already (i say this totally off the top of my head) what i'd do is look on the linux install CDs and see if you can find them on there, if so install them, if not, you'll need to fire up google and download them from somewhere.
it took me a long time to get used to installing stuff in linux when i first started. i could install some things easily, but it took months for me to figure out how to install other things (mplayer for example, or at least to get it to install how i wanted it to).
it might be worth looking into "urpmi" if you use mandrake. i never really used it much, but it's a mandrake specific rpm tool, with a lot of extra features that rpm doesn't have (so i hear) type "man urpmi" to find out more about it.
hope that helps with this rpm stuff anyway.
* if you are installing a source rpm, like this one, then you must have these packages installed or it simply cannot install. the reason is that a source rpm contains source code, and those dependencies are required to actually create the binary program that goes on your hard drive, if the dependencies are not there, the binary program literally cannot be created)
[ April 09, 2003: Message edited by: Calum: crusader for peace & freedom ]
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OK so i need to FIND these RPMs for that thing to work:
gtk+-devel
gdk-pixbuf-devel
mjpegtools-devel
What if even these RPMs dont install :/ then i'm screwed i suppose?
And what about my other rpm problems (last post)?
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well i think they will install, they are all -devel packages, you see. if you did a normal install of mandrake, none of the development stuff will have been installed, because mandrake assumes you won't want to compile programs (this is probably the reason you get so many errors compiling your other things from source too). All you need to do is install all the development stuff off your CD and it should work fine. as i say, if the packages are on your CD, it might be worth using urpmi to install them, because i think it has a built in thing that automatically checks for dependencies and installs other stuff off the CD if required too. another way to do this is to run the mandrake installer again, you just boot from CD1 and then instead of selecting 'install' you can just select 'upgrade' and then when you get to package selection, select all the development stuff. then it will install all that stuff and next time you reboot all the stuff will have been installed.
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that's odd stuff with amsn, one thing i will recommend, try if possible when downloading to use rpms that are meant for mandrake (if using mandrake) because a lot are made for red hat and some are made for suse, and often these will give you funny errors like that, perhaps this is the problem this time, perhaps not.
if a program does not specify a particular system then it is probably okay. i seem to remember i had problems installing amsn in mandrake 8.2 but not in 9.0. note - i just had a look at the amsn site at amsn.sourceforge.net and their rpms are not specific to any system and should install okay on mandrake. is that the site where you got your rpm from? if so then i can't understand why it's not working. i know it is a cop out but i would personally recommend using gaim instead, available from http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ (http://gaim.sourceforge.net/) if i were you i would go for the one called gaim-0.61-1.i386.rpm and failing that i would go for the gaim-0.61-1.src.rpm because by that time you will have installed all those development packages off the CD that i mentioned and will have no problems with these source rpms. gaim can do the job of msn and it can also allow you to chat on yahoo, aim, icq, irc and a bunch of other networks too, all in one program.
it gets easier i promise.
[ April 09, 2003: Message edited by: Calum: crusader for peace & freedom ]
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Well i only could afford the luxury of downloading the first CD, and when it was installing the first time, i carefully chose EVERYTHING that was on the list to be installed. I'll find all these things online now, and i think when i was compiling those other things i saw similar -dev things... i think...
Still the question remains: whats wrong with the OTHER rpms - like trackball?
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Yeah i got that amsn from sourceforge.
I just installed it went to console and type amsn and thats what i got. Maybe i should have done something else?
If i installed it right should there be an executable file somewhere, can i make a desktop shortcut??? something?
And i know it gets easier, i have a lot of patience. Window$ pissed me off beyond point of return so its either this or death (http://smile.gif) and so far i choose this!
The problem most likely is that i'm just plain dumb (http://tongue.gif)
And is there a good site where i can get up-to-date development files from or are they pretty much scattered around? Which are the most commonly used ones, are there any specific ones i might need more?
edit: Now i went to get a Lunar Lander game (http://magigames.org/moonlander.html) and it says it needs SDL 1.2 so i go and download the Runtime Library (http://www.libsdl.org/release/SDL-1.2.5-1.i386.rpm) and during install it tells me theres some conflict dependencies with another SDL thing. But when i run the program ./moon-lander.bin it tells me theres NO SDL.... erm... well theres always the window$ version :(
I'll download the Development Libraries! (http://smile.gif)
Download finished.
Installed properly.
Game still doesnt see any SDL shared libraries... :(
oh shit, that mixer and image things are seperate! need to install them too...
Mixer Download finished.
Image Download finished.
Both installed properly (http://smile.gif)
IT WORKS ! ITS ALIVE ! I'M A GENIOUS! YAAAHOO!! :D
[ April 09, 2003: Message edited by: Lennon ]
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Hey Lennon, I must say it's great to see that you have open up your eyes for the linux world (http://smile.gif)
I just want to tell you that the first months with linux can be a real pain in the ass sometimes. You will have alot of problems with understading how some stuff works and stuff like that. but don't give up! Even if it sometimes can feel that it's just hopeless. One day it will just say click and you will see that you suddenly understand everything and don't really have any problems or atleast very few problems.
And you will feel so damn proud over yourself ;)
Good luck to ya buddy! ;) :cool:
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Yah. I'm a quick learner, and i kinda "feel" that the effort i'm putting in will pay off ten times later on. I have long-term plans to make a server (big web site) too, so i thought i could see how Linux goes and maybe i can do it myself. I'm just not sure what equipment i would need to have in order to run a fixed-ip server!? Mostly because of the restricted services we have in Belgrade :rolleyes:
I'm downloading gtk, gdk, mpeg stuff, and all the development libraries i can find. I'm very optimistic, which i would NOT be without people like you guys who help a great deal! Thanks again everyone! (http://smile.gif)
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quote:
Originally posted by Lennon:
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I also tried messing around with the tar.gz files, and here are the messages i got on the screen:
first i did ./configure and then "make" command:
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kmplayerview.cpp:377: invalid use of undefined type 'struct ArtsL::SoundServerV2'
kmplayerview.h:39: forward declaration of 'struct Arts::SoundServerV2'
kmplayerview.cpp: In member function 'void KmplayerView::SetVolume(int)':
...(some more similar stuff)
make [3]: *** [kmplayerview.lo] Error 1
make [3]: Leaving directory '/home/john/tmp/kmp/kmplayer/kmplayer'
make [2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make [2]: Leaving directory '/home/john/tmp/kmp/kmplayer/kmplayer'
make [1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make [1]: Leaving directory '/home/john/tmp/kmp/kmplayer'
make: *** [all] Error 2
[root@localhost kmplayer]#
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Unfortunately, in your quote you left out the information that we need. If you could, post the the last ten to 15 lines before the first "Error 1" message.
And follow Calum's advice.
A great place to find rpm's is http://www.rpmfind.net (http://www.rpmfind.net)
Hopefully, we're not overloading you with information here.
:D
[ April 10, 2003: Message edited by: emh ]
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Well i'd love to try again but my Linux has completely failed. Out of the blue when i start it up i just get the console, i log in as root, and thats all i know how to do. KDE won't load, no display, just the DOS type console. And i didn't type or change anything. Maybe i did but its extremely unlikely.
How do i get it back to "Windows" type interface?
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okay, when you are logged in, type "startx" which should start xwindows, the graphical display program that enables all the graphical stuff to happen. if this does not work, you will see a lot of error messages. have a read through them and see if there's anything obvious in those messages telling you why it's not working. If it works then you can skip the next section.
if you can see why it is not working, then you need to edit the file /etc/X11/XF86Config (i think, mandrake may have put its XF86Config file elsewhere, i do not know. use the "cd" (change directory) and "ls" (list) commands to find out where it is hiding if so), there is an easy to use program which will edit this file for you, first though i would backup your original XF86Config file in case you erase it and then need it again. to do this, do "mv /etc/X11/XF86Config /etc/X11/XF86Config-backup" and remember that all commands in linux are CAsE senSitIVe! as you can see that command simply moves the file XF86Config to be a file called XF86Config-backup. now we are ready to issue the following command (as root) "xf86config", this program will ask you a number of questions about your video card, monitor, keyboard, mouse et cetera. it will then save a new XF86Config file at /etc/X11/XF86Config (so if we hadn't shifted the old one out the way you would have lost it), if you still can't get "startx" to work then keep going through xf86config a couple of times answering questions a little differently because chances are there's some set of options that will work for you. If you really can't get xf86config to write a decent XF86Config file then see the next paragraph.
Okay so this paragraph assumes all else has failed, now you will have to edit the file /etc/XF86Config manually. this involves using a text editor, so if you are not familiar with the basic commands of the text editor you are going to use, read a tutorial before you do this. most of the easy text editors do not come installed in mandrake. the easiest and best ones to use if you are totally new are nano, pico and jpico. I don't think any of these are installed already, but try typing their names in just to make sure. you can install pico from the second mandrake CD i think (which i think you don't have), by installing the rpm of the "pine" package. or you can install jpico by installing the rpm package of "joe" (again possibly on CD2), and i think nano needs to be downloaded and installed from source (it's an easy one though and will almost certainly install fine). your other choice is to use emacs (which is probably already installed) or vi (which is definitely already installed) but they are harder and as i say you want to read a tutorial befor etrying to use them. so. type "nameoftexteditor /etc/X11/XF86Config" and you should see your current XF86Config file. incidentally, if you already moved your original XF86Config file somewhere else, it might be a good idea to move it back to /etc/X11/XF86Config so you know you are working on the original (and probably least buggered) version. This file contains many comments to help let you know how to edit it, basically you want to find the section that's giving you problems and edit it so it works. that's as best i can do, apart from advising you read some easy web tutorial about how to edit XF86Config. once you have edited it to your satisfaction, save it, exit the text editor and try "startx" again.
Okay, now i will assume that you got through all that (or just typed "startx") and it all works fine, so how do you get it to boot into the graphical display every time you start up? well the answer is quite simple. you must edit one line in a text file. in a text editor (as root), open the file '/etc/inittab' and find (quite near the top) a line that looks like this:
see here for more information (http://pld-linux.org/inittab.html)
Finally, i'm a bit worried that you have logged in as root here. that's not a good idea for many security reasons. have you created any other users on your system yet? if not, type "useradd" or "adduser" at a command prompt (as root) , i forget which is which, one is a nice question and answer thing and the other is not, go with the nice question and answer one (whichever one that is) to start with as it also asks you to set user passwords, which the other one doesn't do.
here for more info (http://belg88.com/faqman/index.php?op=view&t=10)
finally, did you know about the forum at http://voidmain.is-a-geek.net/forums/ (http://voidmain.is-a-geek.net/forums/) ? there's a mandrake specific forum there and you'll probably get good answers on it as well as posting here, just thought you should know.
[ April 10, 2003: Message edited by: Calum: crusader for peace & freedom ]
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Wow Calum, thanks a lot. I'll try all that. I just hope i'm not annoying for you guys, you're (apparently) my only hope (http://smile.gif)
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not a problem, it actually helps me to try and answer you since it forces me to organise my stray bits of linux knowledge in my head.
as i said, you have other hope out there in the form of other forums, my particular facourites are voidmain.kicks-ass.net and newtolinux.org.uk
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Calum, i gotta say things were a lot less complicated than you explain. I just chose "failsafe" on boot, configured that INIT thing to 5 (Chose Graphical Interface) and it works just fine (http://tongue.gif) no need for all the fancy commands you gave me!!
Now...Im trying to install gtk so i can install some other stuff but:
after running ./configure i get
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checking for glib-2.0 >= 2.1.4 atk >= 1.0.1 pango >= 1.0.1... Package glib-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
Perhaps you should add the directory containing `glib-2.0.pc'
to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
No package 'glib-2.0' found
configure: error: Library requirements (glib-2.0 >= 2.1.4 atk >= 1.0.1 pango >= 1.0.1) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
[john@localhost gtk+-2.2.0]$
So does this mean i have to get some glib-2 before i can install that? Wish they told me earlier, or at least some sort of list of requirements before i install or download something :/
And how do i make a difference between the full glib and a "patch" ? GTK was 8.7 MB to download.
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well i am very glad to hear you didn't need all that stuff! i just put it in there because depending on what the problem was, you might have needed some or all of it, so i thought better to just let you have it all at once rather than you having to wait for somebody to answer your question again if it didn't work.
now... you're installing gtk from source? i have never done that, i always install it off the CDs, i don't think i can be of much help here, my strong advice to you is to get the other two mandrake CDs and use urpmi to install the gtk and glibc6 rpms off of that, because that's the only way you're going to avoid a real barrowload of headaches regarding dependencies and so on.
anybody else got any positive words here re: installing gtk?
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ok I have some questions. I am wanting to set up mandrake on a 5 gig partition on my slave drive. My master is fat32 winxp and my slave is just formatted in fat32.
Will mandrake resize the partition for me without loosing all my stuff that's already on the slave drive?
Lennon's issues worry me, but I figure that if I hate it I can always format the drive.
thx for any and all help.
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hehe, my issues are nothing to worry about. Its no harder then learning Window$, i solved all the problems very easily, which were caused in the first place mostly because of my own mistakes. Now i learned for example i really need the CD2 of Mandrake 9.1, and that ALL problems arisied because i didn't have that.
Anyway, to answer your question, i am 90% sure (not 100 cos i'm still newbie) that partitioning will not damage your information BUT YOU MUST Defragment your Hard Drive first. Remember that. I installed Mandrake and made all the partitions on one HD and didn't loose anything at all.
And in the future, browse through this thread before asking a question, i'm sure you'll find something! (http://smile.gif)
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hey exorcist, start a new thread buddy, this ones already got about 3-4 seperate topics in it hehe.
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quote:
Originally posted by Lennon:
Anyway, to answer your question, i am 90% sure (not 100 cos i'm still newbie) that partitioning will not damage your information BUT YOU MUST Defragment your Hard Drive first. Remember that. I installed Mandrake and made all the partitions on one HD and didn't loose anything at all.
very good advice, but personally i would say it's no harder to just manually set up your partitions. if you do it manually you can make /home into a seperate partition, and that way you can format your linux partition, and reinstall some other version of linux, and your /home partition will still contain all your files (mp3s, letters, pictures et c).
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what a good idea! why didnt i think of it :/
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Calum: Mandrake automatically makes you two different / and /home partions...
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yeah, i Mandy 9.1 made a special /home partition for me too :D
I will start downloading CD2 now...
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yeah well not all of us mindlessly allow it to partition everything for us. some of us do our own partitions and don't know what mandrake does if you (heaven forbid) let it do what it likes. in fact one of the reasons i DON'T use mandrake now is that it tends to take over if you let it (i always tried not to let it)
but since you're all so smart, i'll keep my (helpfully intended) comments to myself from now on.
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Originally posted by Calum: crusader for peace & freedom:
yeah well not all of us mindlessly allow it to partition everything for us. some of us do our own partitions and don't know what mandrake does if you (heaven forbid) let it do what it likes. in fact one of the reasons i DON'T use mandrake now is that it tends to take over if you let it (i always tried not to let it)
but since you're all so smart, i'll keep my (helpfully intended) comments to myself from now on.
I was just trying to add a helpful comment. I didn't mean to offend you.
FYI, I don't use MDK either.
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rofl (http://tongue.gif)
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Originally posted by TheQuirk:
I was just trying to add a helpful comment. I didn't mean to offend you.
FYI, I don't use MDK either.
no bother, sorry, i tend to get carried away with my temper on this site purely due to its general nature.