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Title: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
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That's interesting...
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: Annorax on 23 May 2005, 06:12: Interesting....
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: BobTheHob on 23 May 2005, 06:34: Why am I not suprised? I'll bet its the only thing simple enough for their inbred minds.
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: muzzy on 23 May 2005, 09:14: Oh no, I bet KKK guys breathe the same air you guys do! It's time to start using alternative oxygen from now on, to differentiate yourself from those TRULY EVIL BASTARDS!

Geez, what's the point of this? How old were you guys again?
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: Orethrius on 23 May 2005, 11:20: Quote from: muzzy
Oh no, I bet KKK guys breathe the same air you guys do! It's time to start using alternative oxygen from now on, to differentiate yourself from those TRULY EVIL BASTARDS!

Nah, but would it be considered a hate crime if we made them fatally inhale dihydrogen monoxide?
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: JanusChrist on 23 May 2005, 16:01: http://www.naawp.org is probably the only white pride/rascist site on the net that isn't run by complete idiots.
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: Refalm on 23 May 2005, 16:57: Quote from: JanusChrist
http://www.naawp.org is probably the only white pride/rascist site on the net that isn't run by complete idiots.

Every white pride/fascist site on the net is run by complete idiots.
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: Jenda on 23 May 2005, 17:27: It would make a good MS ad...
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: Canadian Lover on 23 May 2005, 21:38: Quote from: JanusChrist
http://www.naawp.org is probably the only white pride/rascist site on the net that isn't run by complete idiots.

Why do you say that?
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: KernelPanic on 23 May 2005, 22:05: Quote from: thomasrocks1
Why do you say that?

Presumably because they run on Linux (http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://naawp.org); but, as Refalm has said, any group whose basic tenet is "we love gardengnomes and think any non-garden gnome should be hung, drawn and quartered" is always a bad group :)
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: BobTheHob on 23 May 2005, 22:19: Quote from: muzzy
Oh no, I bet KKK guys breathe the same air you guys do! It's time to start using alternative oxygen from now on, to differentiate yourself from those TRULY EVIL BASTARDS!

Geez, what's the point of this? How old were you guys again?

We really need to get that sand out of your vagina.
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 23 May 2005, 22:29: Quote from: muzzy

Geez, what's the point of this? How old were you guys again?

Quote from: BobTheHob
We really need to get that sand out of your vagina.

I wonder what gives muzzy and I the impression that some of the members here are immature.
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: BobTheHob on 23 May 2005, 22:43: Quote from: Aloone_Jonez
I wonder what gives muzzy and I the impression that some of the members here are immature.
The point is, muzzy comes into a forum which he knows used to be called fuckmicrosoft, then he is going to try to belittle ms haters and switch them back to microsoft. In his forth (http://www.microsuck.com/forums/showthread.php?p=92717#post92717) post
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Ah, this is a tricky one, and I was wondering how long it'll take until it gets asked. Basically, I think windows haters are just ignorant, and want to see if this hypothesis holds true. On the other hand, I want to sharpen my windows skills, and to better oneself one must first know what he's lacking. I think you guys could be very good at pointing out things I need to know, and things I can't do with windows and never knew I should.
he said he came here to learn what was missing from windows, although it seems he is just here to lie about what *nix is lacking. He needs to stop trying to switch people from *nix, cuz its not going to happen. Sure he has the right to post here, and i have no problem with that now. But he needs to realize trying to convert people won't work.

edit: he also needs to realize, if a site is named fuckmicrosoft, microsoft will be made fun of, no amount of bitching will change that.
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 23 May 2005, 23:03: What's so imature about muzzy's post?

I suppose bitch threads (http://www.microsuck.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9096) filled with nothing but personal abuse towards a forum member are far a more mature method of handling disagreements. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: WMD on 24 May 2005, 00:03: Stop talking about muzzy. Immediately.
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 24 May 2005, 00:14: I agree WMD, we don't want this thread to turn to shit. Could some mod please delete the replys proceding this one:

Quote from: BobTheHob
We really need to get that sand out of your vagina.
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: Annorax on 24 May 2005, 03:16: Do we really need to debate any "positive" attributes of a racist organization? Racist pricks that use OSS are still racist pricks.
I have rolled this thread back to a time before it was derailed with a reported personal attack on a forum member.

Keep your discussion in this thread to the topic at hand and don't derail it again.

Thank you.
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: Kintaro on 24 May 2005, 09:34: The requested URL could not be retrieved

While trying to retrieve the URL: http://www.naawp.org/ (http://www.naawp.org/)

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Unable to determine IP address from host name for www.naawp.org (http://www.naawp.org)

The dnsserver returned:

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This means that:

The cache was not able to resolve the hostname presented in the URL.
Check if the address is correct.
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: muzzy on 24 May 2005, 11:30: Hey, did my wonderful post get killed? Blindly opposing racism is stupid. It should be opposed for good reasons (which do exist). Merely opposing it because it's "stupid" is braindead and damaging to humanity as whole, plus it doesn't help solve the problem. There are lots of valid reasons to treat people as different race, and I don't see anything racistic in letting people be proud of their race. Heck, DENYING people the right to pride of what they are, that is racism.

Why is it ok to be proud of being redhead, but not ok to be proud of being white?
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: Refalm on 24 May 2005, 11:42: Quote from: muzzy
Heck, DENYING people the right to pride of what they are, that is racism.

Speaking of those people, I once accidentally found this website which gives an inside look into the KKK:
http://www.american-pictures.com/gallery/ku-klux-klan/

As expected, fascists are people too.
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: muzzy on 24 May 2005, 12:09: That KKK gallery shows lots of lovely pictures. As long as they don't deny anyone else the pride to be what they are, I don't see anything wrong with KKK. Obviously, most of the things I've heard about KKK are exactly the wrongdoings, so it makes me wonder what has really happened in the past. I'm sure there are a lot of KKK members that are fine and good people, but obviously nobody pays attention to them. All you see are the cases of violence.
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: Annorax on 24 May 2005, 12:15: Quote from: muzzy
That KKK gallery shows lots of lovely pictures. As long as they don't deny anyone else the pride to be what they are, I don't see anything wrong with KKK. Obviously, most of the things I've heard about KKK are exactly the wrongdoings, so it makes me wonder what has really happened in the past. I'm sure there are a lot of KKK members that are fine and good people, but obviously nobody pays attention to them. All you see are the cases of violence.

How the hell can a racist be "fine and good people?" Last I knew, racists were by definition "bad people".
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: bedouin on 24 May 2005, 12:37: Quote from: muzzy
Why is it ok to be proud of being redhead, but not ok to be proud of being white?

It's not. It's equally stupid. No one yells, "redhead power," "redheads are the superior people," or "we must preserve the redhead traditions," because it's an idiotic concept. So is the idea of preserving some mythical construct of White, Black, or, Asiatic culture; they're socially created constructs that have historically been used for nothing but discrimination and perpetration of stereotypes. Additionally, the whole idea itself is so arbitrary, because everyone has a different definition of what "White," "Black," or "Asian" is depending on their political agenda. For example, if you're asked to provide your race on a form in the US, if you're from the Middle East or North Africa you're expected to put "white," even if your skin tone is obviously darker. On the other hand, if you're Hispanic you've somehow classified as a non-white, or depending on the form you can specific whether you are "white or non-white" Hispanic. Race is nothing more than a political categorization, and in many cultures the idea doesn't even exist, at least not in this form.

There is no white culture, no more than there is a black one; no more than there is a brown-eyed, green-eyed, or readhead 'culture.' There are, however, social and political conditions that in some regions of the world have forced individuals to identify with their skin color, because all other forms of identity have been stripped away from them (i.e. through slavery, colonization, and diaspora); the last time I checked this didn't happen (collectively) to so-called white people in the United States, so it makes the idea of a white supremacy movement even more idiotic.

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As long as they don't deny anyone else the pride to be what they are, I don't see anything wrong with KKK.

Right, because the KKK would never do that (http://www.theblackmarket.com/ProfilesInBlack/lynching.GIF).
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: muzzy on 24 May 2005, 12:47: Annorax, so, what exactly makes these guys bad people? You can straw-man them all you like, but in the process you end up not looking them as human beings.

So, these people are bad because they don't like some other group of people? How about you, then? Are you a good person or a bad person by this same definition? You classify people just the same, to good people and bad people, by a single determining factor. I thought that was the definition of racism.

You've been taught to hate KKK, and I can understand it. I hate acts of violence and such too, but that doesn't mean I'd hate people that commit them, or people who are somehow similar to those that commit them. People are still people. Unfortunately I don't know any KKK members myself so I don't have any personal opinions about them, but I'm not eating the anti-KKK propaganda.

I understand the need to have prejudices, and I have them towards many groups of people as well. However, prejudices shouldn't affect how you view individuals. I'm sure most people are good and fine by nature, there's always a reason why bad things happen and saying it's because of "bad people" is greatly naive.
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: muzzy on 24 May 2005, 12:57: bedouin, as I said, "As long as they don't deny anyone else...". Yeah, I know people do bad things, but somehow classifying the whole group as evil and bad because of things that have happened in past, and acts committed by different people, that's wrong.

Also, my point about redheads was that nobody will feel hate towards a bunch of people who take pride in being redheads. Yet, people will hate those who take pride in being white. As you said, race is a political classification, but there are many other genetic classifications that can have practical uses. What comes to supremacy and preservation, that stinks attention seeking. Yet, what right does anyone have to prevent people from doing what they want to, as long as they don't violate the rights of others? What right does anyone have to deny others their pride in themselves and what they are?
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: bedouin on 24 May 2005, 13:11: Read my post again, you didn't get it.

Also read about the history of the KKK, then tell me it's as innocent as the Irish, Italian, or Polish club down the street. People feel animosity toward the KKK because their views simply can't lead anywhere good. It's not a 'white pride' club, it's a "we hate anyone who's not white" club, which has historically (not just in theory) used violence against other non-whites to prove their point.

No white person is going to have trouble hanging out at the Puerto Rican day parade; no black person will be harassed at a St. Patrick's day parade, however I doubt a black person is going to enjoy himself at the Klan rally. This isn't about denying anyone their 'pride.'
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: muzzy on 24 May 2005, 13:28: bedouin, How about you read the history of christianity, then tell me it's less innocent than KKK. The church isn't "jesus power" club, it's a "you're with us or you go to hell" club, which has historically (not just in theory) used violence against other non-believers to prove their point.

So, the problem is that blacks don't enjoy the Klan? This reminds me of a case in Sweden, where two muslims were removed from a flight because other passengers didn't feel secure about them being there. So, fear is the key issue in both cases, but are you going to blame those two muslims for the fear they caused in the rest of the passengers?

Does fear towards some people make them bad people, or does the assumption that they're bad people cause the fear? I'd say it's the latter, so the black man's racism is what makes him feel uneasy about the Klan. You can go dig the past of KKK and you'll find lots of violence, yeah, but that doesn't make any single unrelated klansman a bad person. If you say they're related by association the the Klan, then you're the racist here unless you have some more solid evidence. Go read the text behind Refalm's link. It's rather interesting stuff, and definitely makes me wonder about all this hate towards KKK.
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: bedouin on 24 May 2005, 14:08: Quote from: muzzy
bedouin, How about you read the history of christianity, then tell me it's less innocent than KKK.

Certain manifestations of so-called Christianity are no less innocent than the KKK. Coincidentally, those contemporary manifestations tend to be share many of the KKK's ideologies with regards to race and cultural imperialism.

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So, the problem is that blacks don't enjoy the Klan?

Sigh. I hate to make the "you don't understand" statement, but frankly, you do not live in the US and understand the complexities of this. If you're a black man wandering in Mississippi Klan territory at 12 AM you're not just going to be handed some pamphlets and lectured on the merits of so-called white culture.

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Does fear towards some people make them bad people, or does the assumption that they're bad people cause the fear?

Why are you mixing two unrelated issues? Get back to the subject.

It would be unjust for me to fear a person of another skin color or religion, based on shaky stereotypes of what he/she believes. It would not be unjust for me to dislike a person who willfully joined a movement with an ideology that proclaims non-whites are subhuman.

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Go read the text behind Refalm's link. It's rather interesting stuff, and definitely makes me wonder about all this hate towards KKK.

I did read it -- the Klan understands public relations too. Someone who knows nothing about them might be gullible enough to believe it.
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: muzzy on 24 May 2005, 15:04: Right, I don't know situations in specific areas, I don't know how KKK operates, I don't know any single member of the klan. However, I'm not going to judge anyone just because they're members of some society. Further, I don't see anything bad about "White Pride". It sounds a lot like "Gay Pride" in some ways. To be proud of what you are, and there's nothing wrong with that.

You're making a strong assumption that KKK will, without doubt, harass the black upon sight. That's the only way I could be "mixing" unrelated issues, because that's the only way fear isn't the issue. I don't see this as "White Pride", harassment is always harassment, however I see it wrong to deny people their right to be proud of themselves, no matter what they are and who they are. Be it black, white, gay, pedo, whatever, everyone should have right to pride of who they are as long as they don't deny anyone else their rights. As of such, I believe there has to be good and fine people among KKK as well.
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: Refalm on 24 May 2005, 15:26: Quote from: muzzy
As of such, I believe there has to be good and fine people among KKK as well.

Even if there are "good and fine" people among the KKK, they're still hateful towards people with other skin colours than themselves.
It's simply wrong to state that someone is better just because they where born with a certain skin colour.

And this is exactly what the KKK is preaching. I posted the link to show that members of the KKK are not monsters, they are psychologically deranged people.
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: BobTheHob on 24 May 2005, 16:10: Quote from: muzzy
Right, I don't know situations in specific areas, I don't know how KKK operates, I don't know any single member of the klan. However

Having lived in south Louisiana, USA my whole life, I have seen how they operate, and its not pretty. They really are bad people, they may not resort to public violence as much anymore, but they will harrass on site at any chance they get, calling people the "N" word, blocking their way, pushing them etc. Most of the publicity about them is infact true.
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: muzzy on 24 May 2005, 18:00: Ouch. Well, so we've concluded that KKK is bad and evil. Fine, whatever. That doesn't make the concept of "White Pride" bad, though. Just that it's harder to be proud of being part of majority, and so much easier to harass minorities. The latter is not about being proud, however, so the "White Pride" is just lies and pretty words in that case.

Well, even if we've come to conclusion that KKK does bad things, it doesn't mean that everything KKK does is evil and wrong. Just because they've used Frontpage doesn't make frontpage tainted, just like the air they breathe isn't poisonous to others.
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: piratePenguin on 24 May 2005, 18:25: Quote from: muzzy
However, I'm not going to judge anyone just because they're members of some society.
That's a lie.

Quote from: muzzy
I think windows haters are just ignorant, and want to see if this hypothesis holds true.
That means you think that a large majority of people here are ignorant.
:thumbup:
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: muzzy on 24 May 2005, 18:46: Ah, piratepenguin, not knowing you I didn't have any opinion about you. Heck, I can't remember what your opinions about things are so I still don't know. What I have claimed in earlier threads about windows haters was just as big generalization as the categorization itself was. This is very similar to how I think that americans are idiots, even though I don't expect an american to be an idiot if I meet one. You just can't extrapolate any conclusions from simplifications. Also, that quote was in a context where I was trying to challenge the forums a little, to show where they stand.

So, you're trying to make this discussion personal now? Isn't that intentional derailment? (Although you could say that we haven't been on-topic for quite a while anyway, if this topic ever was on-topic)
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: piratePenguin on 24 May 2005, 18:53: Quote from: muzzy
Ah, piratepenguin, not knowing you I didn't have any opinion about you. Heck, I can't remember what your opinions about things are so I still don't know. What I have claimed in earlier threads about windows haters was just as big generalization as the categorization itself was. This is very similar to how I think that americans are idiots, even though I don't expect an american to be an idiot if I meet one. You just can't extrapolate any conclusions from simplifications. Also, that quote was in a context where I was trying to challenge the forums a little, to show where they stand.
Riiiiiight...

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So, you're trying to make this discussion personal now? Isn't that intentional derailment? (Although you could say that we haven't been on-topic for quite a while anyway, if this topic ever was on-topic)
Holy fuck.
I edited my post.
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: muzzy on 24 May 2005, 19:10: Ah, now it's correct. Yes, I indeed do think so. And I don't mean ignorant about , but rather ignorant about how Windows works and how to use it. This isn't exactly a prejudice, but rather a hypothesis. So far, the gathered data suggests it, and I haven't found many instances to the opposite. I can't remember where I said that, exactly, but I suppose I should've said "majority of", or something similar.

As an analogy, a scientist could make a hypothesis about genetics of people with certain skin color. For example, a scientist might notice that some medicine fails to work more often for people with asian origin than the rest of population, and then makes a hypothesis that asians tend to have different kind of brain chemistry than the rest of us. While this example is completely made up, this kind of stuff can happen, and definitely people from different origins have different kind of body build in many other ways than just skin color. And a lot of the time, some properties are going to correlate with skin color. Thus, suggesting that certain skin color has correlation to other, favorable or unfavorable property, is not necessarily racistic, although without data to show anything, it likely is :)

What comes to windows users, I've noticed that people who can use windows don't tend to hate it, and people who hate it don't tend to know what they're doing. There are exceptions, but knowledgeable windows users who don't like the system, typically have a very specific reasons. They don't hate the system, they just find it unfitting for their needs. Thus, only ignorant tend to hate windows, and although not all ignorant users hate windows, definitely almost all windows haters appear ignorant to how windows works. This is based on my experiences about windows users, and thus I've made my hypothesis. I have a solid reasoning for why I hold my opinion, so it's not prejudice.

This is like dwarves complaining in amusement parks about the "must be this tall to ride" restrictions and how they're soooo indiscriminating, without realizing that they're for safety reasons and the rides aren't designed for people shorter than the limit. It's not prejudice, it's just how it is.
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: piratePenguin on 24 May 2005, 19:24: Quote from: muzzy
What comes to windows users, I've noticed that people who can use windows don't tend to hate it
Alot of 'em don't know any better.
There's so many million insecure and unstable Windows systems out there, and people are using them. Do they know that there are alternatives? Some of them, yes. And some of them think all the alternatives are "too hard", even before trying them.

Quote from: muzzy
and people who hate it don't tend to know what they're doing
I disagree. I'd say it's more the people who are confident with Windows, and the computer, that start to hate it. The educated folk. They eventually learn about the alternatives, learn how to use them, and then they realise that Windows really was a joke the whole time.
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: muzzy on 24 May 2005, 19:40: That's just the beginning of the learning curve. The alternatives are often easier to learn. I used to hate windows, too, during win-9x times. I used linux for quite a while back then. However, the NT series changed me, as I realized how the design really worked. The default installations are quite messy, but the core OS is just absolutely kickass. The windows native kernel wins linux any day, and the win32 subsystem wins xfree any day.
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: piratePenguin on 24 May 2005, 19:59: Quote from: muzzy
That's just the beginning of the learning curve. The alternatives are often easier to learn.
I disagree ... WTF? Alot of Windows users barely get past installing the alternatives.

Which is more user-friendly in your opinion muzzy, Windows or "the alternatives" (you may list as many as you like)?

And what are your thoughts on this:
Quote from: http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/winstupid/winstupid2.php
Unix stores the smarts in the user; Windows stores the smarts in the OS.
Might wanna read the rest of that rant (and the rest on that site) if ya like, it's frikkin' class.
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: Canadian Lover on 25 May 2005, 04:21: Has muzzy become the next Great_Satan?
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: skyman8081 on 25 May 2005, 05:16: Quote from: thomasrocks1
Has muzzy become the next Great_Satan?

Was that REALLY needed?
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: Calum on 25 May 2005, 18:19: why don't you shut the hell up and let the discussion continue? this is one of the few discussions you and your type have not managed to shut down yet.

now,
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Certain manifestations of so-called Christianity are no less innocent than the KKK. Coincidentally, those contemporary manifestations tend to be share many of the KKK's ideologies with regards to race and cultural imperialism.

interestingly the KKK is *part* of the history of christianity.
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: MrX on 27 May 2005, 00:30: the reason that they made the page with that is-

they are not computer geeks, and use something commonly available, easy to use

microsoft is the most poopular OS, so they 'happen' to be using it

im sure it was not 'planned' they could of easily made it with something like NvU or something but it just didnt cross their minds// its not like you can prove someone is evil like microsoft, if they use their products. right, muzzy?

Mr X
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: BobTheHob on 27 May 2005, 00:47: I think the key point most of the people here are missing is that this thread was most likely started in a humourous manner. Sure the KKK is evil but thats for other reasons, and to alot of us here, microsoft is evil as well. Although as MrX pointed out, just because people use microsoft products doesent mean their evil, it just usually means they don't know any better.

@thomasrocks1: Sure that was a trollish statement muzzy made, but ya know what? I realized recently, if you don't like it, you can just ignore it. Trolling is just that, trolling, to flame is to let the troller declare YHBT, which is just plain embarrasing. Therefore, I'm just gonna ignore stuff like that from now on.
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 27 May 2005, 00:54: I agree with MrX!
:thumbup: MrX that's your best post so far.
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: MrX on 27 May 2005, 02:40: rate me:)
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: bedouin on 27 May 2005, 08:02: BTW, here's another example of good old fashioned contemporary KKK love (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/26/AR2005052600272_pf.html), just for muzzy.
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: JanusChrist on 27 May 2005, 08:47: Quote from: thomasrocks1
Why do you say that?

The NAAWP actually raise some seriously valid points on issue like media coverage of minority crime, minority attitudes towards other races, buried statistics on violent crime, etc. They're also not as overtly racist and hateful (ie, they don't spout off "Kill the niggers!!" or "Hitler for president" or other rediculous nonsense), you'll notice the site doesn't post any racist images, and I feel they actually bring up some valid points. They don't promote violence, nowhere on their site do they even promote hate or discrimination. Their slogan is "Equality for all- special treatment for none" which, as a white male living in an all-black neighborhood, I can agree with quite a bit.

I try my best to treat people the way I want to be treated but it's difficult when you come across people (sometimes on a regular basis) that fit EVERY negative stereotype that can be imagined. I have they highest regard for people of acceptable social standing regardless of race. I even have a few black friends, actually. But when people just degrade themselves and then try blaming everyone and everything else for their own failings and problems, I have no remorse or sympathy.
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 27 May 2005, 15:15: Quote from: MrX
rate me:)

I've tried to but I've already rated you before so the forum software won't let me.
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: choasforages on 5 June 2005, 22:43: who the hell are you kidding...the former years of the catholic church makes the kkk look like the good guys. and there belief systems keep them from apoligizing....and there really isn't an apology for all those the church has murdered. nor is there one for the kkk. im getting sick of people with insecurity issues destorying the world becuase of it

HAIL SATAN!!!
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: Canadian Lover on 22 November 2005, 21:30: OK, I yelled at muzzy because he supported racism. I know I'm bumping an old topic, but I wanted to add somthing for him

http://www.pointsouth.com/csanet/kkk.htm
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: worker201 on 22 November 2005, 22:31: Quote from: JanusChrist
The NAAWP actually raise some seriously valid points on issue like media coverage of minority crime, minority attitudes towards other races, buried statistics on violent crime, etc. They're also not as overtly racist and hateful (ie, they don't spout off "Kill the niggers!!" or "Hitler for president" or other rediculous nonsense), you'll notice the site doesn't post any racist images, and I feel they actually bring up some valid points. They don't promote violence, nowhere on their site do they even promote hate or discrimination. Their slogan is "Equality for all- special treatment for none" which, as a white male living in an all-black neighborhood, I can agree with quite a bit.

I try my best to treat people the way I want to be treated but it's difficult when you come across people (sometimes on a regular basis) that fit EVERY negative stereotype that can be imagined. I have they highest regard for people of acceptable social standing regardless of race. I even have a few black friends, actually. But when people just degrade themselves and then try blaming everyone and everything else for their own failings and problems, I have no remorse or sympathy.

Wow, this is some old-ass shit, but I just read it anyway, thanks to a bump.

The problem with the racism in the United States is that it is institutionalized. Minority crime statistics are dependent on the "400 years of persecution" that has alienated blacks in this country. Negative stereotypes are perpetrated through the media, and, having nothing else to identify with, or any positive role models, people adopt and perpetuate these stereotypes. Athletes are lionized, gangster rappers make big money, drugs are seen as an acceptable way to achieve wealth and status - these are all products of the advancement of white people. Just by voicing these opinions, Janus, you are belittling the ongoing struggle that black people in America have been going through for years.

And that whole "equality for all, special treatment for none" is as hollow as it is tempting. You'd like to think that our goal is total equality. But it clearly isn't. The police, the urban planning policies, and the media all go out of their way to keep things just the way they are. Even the most liberal of white people will remember someone as the "nice black guy", but a white person is just "a nice guy". It's built into your thoughts, your language, and your ideas about what the world looks like. So it's deceptively easy to feel like you're being picked on for being white. After all, employers have quotas for hiring minorities (myth), Hollywood is run by Jews (myth), and the Mexicans are taking all the jobs in California and Texas (myth). Wake the fuck up!

Oh, and to address an even older argument - the problem with white pride (or any kind of pride) is that it leads to power struggles. If someone could say "white pride" and let it die at that, no big deal. Unfortunately, white pride connotes black non-pride, and invariably leads to generalizations, stereotypes, prejudice, and ultimately violence and oppression. I graduated from the University of Colorado, and our biggest football rival was Nebraska. And most students were anti-Nebraska. Upon meeting a person from Nebraska, they would automatically turn their noses down at them. When Nebraska students came to town for the football game, they would be harassed at the stadium, and beat up in the bars afterwards. It was especially bad if Nebraska had won the football game. And this is at one of the most liberal universities in the country. Over a fucking football game! Buffalo pride, white pride, Nazi pride - it never leads to anything good.
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: dmcfarland on 23 November 2005, 03:07: I dont think theres nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage. I do think there is something wrong when a group of people think their race, and/or religion is superior to everyone else, and when they murder, rape, and assault others who are different than them. White power, black power or any of that offer crap offends me.

Frontpage is a piece of shit wether or not white supremist use it or civil rights organizations use it. Shit is shit no matter who steps in it.
Title: Re: frontpage: the choice of the KKK
Post by: worker201 on 23 November 2005, 07:06: Quote from: dmcfarland
I dont think theres nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage. I do think there is something wrong when a group of people think their race, and/or religion is superior to everyone else, and when they murder, rape, and assault others who are different than them.

The point I was trying to make is that being proud of your heritage has no other goal or purpose besides legitimizing assault on another group. Drumming up support for one cause automatically creates non-support for another cause, by definition.

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