Stop Microsoft
Miscellaneous => Applications => Topic started by: Annorax on 30 August 2005, 20:23
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http://my.opera.com/community/party/reg.dml
Guess it's an anniversary promotion. Anyway, it's enough for me to try the damn thing.
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I had been using it with ads for a few months. (I tricked the ad into never changing) Totally awesome. Even better with the bar completely gone \o/
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I use Opera now, and I find it my top favourite browser.
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Is there an easy way to transfer your bookmarks from Firefox?
I'm seriously considering switching.
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Yeah, you just do to Manage Bookmarks, click File (not the real menu, the inside one), and Import Netscape/Firefox Bookmarks. You'll have to navigate to the file itself, but it works.
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Opera totally kicks Firefox's ass!
What I needed a billion extensions for before, I need none.
<3
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Pedolicious!
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Opera totally kicks Firefox's ass!
What I needed a billion extensions for before, I need none.
<3
But now you probably have (1 billion - 10) functions you don't need. Extensions are all about modularity - if you don't need the feature, don't weight down your browser with it.
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yeah MoDuLaRiTy
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So why is Opera only 3.66MB and FireFox is 4.65MB?
Opera has more features and is smaller, could this be because it's more compact? Could it be because Firefox is bloatware?
The only advantage Firefox has it extentions but if you use Opera you don't need them.
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I don't know where you're getting these numbers, perhaps the size of the download? My /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.6 is 50MB. That includes 8 themes, 8 extensions, and a ton of custom searchbar items.
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You must have the version that includes the Java runtime then, Opera is smaller, faster and has more features than Firefox which is bigger, more bloated and has far less features.
http://operawatch.blogspot.com/2005/08/comparing-browser-download-size.html
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I am trying opera now, nice. BUT THE STUPID OPERA ADD IS ANOYING!!!!!!!!
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BUT THE STUPID OPERA ADD IS ANOYING!!!!!!!!
That's why that link was posted!
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Ah well you're too late you could've got the code from the website if you'd done this 2 days ago.
pm me and I'll give you a copy of the Opera program files on my hard disc, it might work but I can't promise you anything.
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Done
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Yeah, I managed to get a free key, and I'm loving Opera, it's the best browser I've ever used.
You're right, it does kick Firefox's ass!
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it has some rendering problems for me though
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I just downloaded Opera for Fedora, and I have a few observations.
1. Yes it is smaller. But in order to view source, you have to set up an external editor. So it doesn't have a source viewer in it. So that was weird.
2. Found a bug already. If you go to http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/ with both Opera and Firefox, you will see the problem. They have a JavaScript designed to deal with Mac IE. Firefox responds correctly by ignoring it. Opera just prints the script at the top of the page, above the content. Also, it doesn't run the menu function properly - the menu mouseovers are not cleared when the mouse moves on, making the whole page unreadable.
3. The transfers tab is kinda nice. So are all the extra preferences.
4. It isn't open source, and it costs money.
5. It uses Qt, which I don't like.
6. The web developer toolbar extension, which I have grown to love and depend on, is not there.
7. How convenient that it just borrows all the plugins (Java, Flash) from Firefox/Mozilla, instead of having its own! That's sorta cheating, really.
Overall, I don't think there is any reason for me to use Opera. But at least I tried it before deciding.
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Lead head,
I've pm'd you a link.
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kk
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As it works, if anyone else wants this link, pm me and I'll get it to them.
I'm of to bed now so I'll get it done tommorow.
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I just downloaded Opera for Fedora, and I have a few observations.
1. Yes it is smaller. But in order to view source, you have to set up an external editor. So it doesn't have a source viewer in it. So that was weird.
It's simle really. Every OS already has between 1 and ten thousand text editors. Why make another one. Of course with Linux, there are three thousand text editors, and everybody has their favorite, so why not let them use it. Linux is ALL about modularity, right?
2. Found a bug already. If you go to http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/ with both Opera and Firefox, you will see the problem. They have a JavaScript designed to deal with Mac IE. Firefox responds correctly by ignoring it. Opera just prints the script at the top of the page, above the content. Also, it doesn't run the menu function properly - the menu mouseovers are not cleared when the mouse moves on, making the whole page unreadable.
Opera IS fully standards compliant. It's merely the sites use of non-standard code. Try validating the page.
3. The transfers tab is kinda nice. So are all the extra preferences.
Yes, yes they are.
4. It isn't open source, and it costs money.
Coders gotta eat. And what difference does being open source make it?
5. It uses Qt, which I don't like.
Would you prefer the ass-ugly GTK?
6. The web developer toolbar extension, which I have grown to love and depend on, is not there.
Boo Hoo! Opera isn't firefox!
7. How convenient that it just borrows all the plugins (Java, Flash) from Firefox/Mozilla, instead of having its own! That's sorta cheating, really.
If it's already there, why not use it? Do you need multiple copies of the same binary? Sounds like opera being smart to me!
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Well, that was a fairly thorough rebuttal to my objections. However, I couldn't help but notice that most of our differences are based on personal taste. And nobody should be getting in the way of that. I like gtk, you like Qt, and everything is okay. I like my extensions, you don't, that's great. I think open source software is worth sacrificing a few questionable features, you don't, and that's fine too.
How about this? I'll make a big donation in time and money to the Mozilla project, and get them to dig on this transfers tab thing, so I get the same features and the source is still open. At that point, Opera's benefits will have drifted away, in my opinion.
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They'll probably just make more benefits.
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...or export them from unix based system :]
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...or export them from unix based system :]
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, do you?
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You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, do you?
I ment that M$ stel from just about every os/company they get theyr hands on.
-I think you know the feature button and it is right word-by-word .:)
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How about this? I'll make a big donation in time and money to the Mozilla project, and get them to dig on this transfers tab thing, so I get the same features and the source is still open. At that point, Opera's benefits will have drifted away, in my opinion.
Go on then, but you have your work cut out for you, it's going to be a hard task to make Firefox smaller while adding more features, I hope you're up to the job.
The transfers tab is more than an equillavent to Firesfox's shitty downloader open in a tab, it's a fully featured download manager that can pause and resume downloads even inbetween browser sessions, and connection or power failures.
The zoom is far superiour, this does more than increase the font, all of the graphics are scaled up/down accordingly.
Other features include mouse gestures, auto/manual session saving and the ability to detatch tabs to form separate Windows.
Good luck, you're going to need it.
Firefox hasn't benifitted at all from the open source model, it's made it bigger slower, lower in features, also cirticle bugs that were discovered as long as 2 years ago still haven't been corrected.
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I ment that M$ stel from just about every os/company they get theyr hands on.
This discussion isn't about Windows or Microsoft at all. In fact, there hasn't been any mention of Windows, Microsoft or Internet Explorer in this whole thread (untill now).
Thanks for ruining it.
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can not you see the big picture
once M$ realizes Ie is getting dull they are going to buy out firefox/opera
and then ... you get it
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my personal choice is fire fox , but my home pc is used by my father also ;[
and he does not like "that litle punk shit"
Firefox:(
how come parents do not like alt. browsers ??:confused:
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I wonder what effect Firefox 1.5 (beta released next week) and 2.0 will have on ye all.
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can not you see the big picture
once M$ realizes Ie is getting dull they are going to buy out firefox/opera
and then ... you get it
Read before you say something.
how come parents do not like alt. browsers ??:confused:
I installed Firefox on my parents PC. Never got any complaints whatsoever.
Older people are tend to stick to what they're used to or what they use at work.
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I made a simple rule at my house seeing as I have to fix the computers if something goes wrong, actually the rules extends to many of my family's computers who are owned by people who depend on me. It is this: I will not support Internet Explorer. In fact I make it very difficult for them to run Internet Explorer, I even change the shortcuts so that it runs Firefox. However most of them prefer Firefox now anyway, that I have forced it on them. I think this is reasonable, as I am the poor fucker who has to rid spyware and shit off there computers.
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Yeah, force it on them, that's a good idea. ;)
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According to the roadmap, Firefox 1.5 final is scheduled for release in early November.
Just to spite Skyman and Aloone_Jonez, I downloaded DeerPark Alpha2.
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I just want to say FireFuck$ droooolz Opera Roooolz! :)
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I agree. :D
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Now using DPA2, and it isn't much different. The layout of the preferences is more Safari-ish. But general functionality is about the same. Except faster. I don't know how it managed that, but it is faster. Maybe it's just because network traffic has slowed down, and I'm getting like 500+kbps.
For anyone who's counting, my new /usr/local/firefox is only 21.5MB, which is less than half of /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.6. Still got all the themes and plugins. Need to update my search plugins, tho.