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Operating Systems => macOS => Topic started by: Kintaro on 7 May 2002, 16:47
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I gotta a new mac... its gotta black and white display... its got a 20meg harddisk and its fuck-ing wicked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Its an "Macintosh Classic" good ole 68k based.
And hwo do i go about putting Linux on the beast
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Originally posted by X11:
I gotta a new mac... its gotta black and white display... its got a 20meg harddisk and its fuck-ing wicked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Its an "Macintosh Classic" good ole 68k based.
And hwo do i go about putting Linux on the beast
HAHAHAHA!!
(http://smile.gif) As far as i know there was one distro of 68k Linux. But I don't know if you can even find it anymore.
But you can still indulge in some retro Mac goodness with the thing. You can play Dark Castle!!!!!
The most ultimately cool game ever!!!!!
http://www.vmac.org/ (http://www.vmac.org/)
I can also send you some old Mac Classic stuff if ya want.
Oh, and don't forget MacWrite, MacPaint, Illustrator 1.0. SuperPaint Wooooo!
Hehe... Fun fun fun...
Oh, you can play the first and only game Apple ever made and published themselves. It's called Alice.
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I think you need at least a 68030 + PMMU to run any kind of Unix other than MacMinix.
But a Classic makes for a great typewriter, I'm told.
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Yep i think i will keep it retrocool the way it is.
I love it, i use it for typing, how can i accsess my MAC floppys in Windows, and link it to my pc via Para Port or somthing, to accsess the net from it or somthing.
I have heaps of old games, Microsoft Works 2.0, MacWrite II, and HyperCard. Other crap like KidPix and stuff as well, what do you have psyjax. It makes a good typeriter, but the mouse had to go thru the dishwasher first. (http://smile.gif)
The keybored is in good condition.
Where can i get development tools for the beast.
It rules, it does, it does. ALso for the software to accsess mac floppys, can it work in Linux.
I might go look at www.linux.org (http://www.linux.org)
and find a distro.
Anyway the thing is wickedly mad.
Loving every bit!
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i have a feeling that you won't be able to access mac floppies using windows, i hoped you could access them in linux, but it seems not, i can't get floppies to mount as anything but ext2 or msdos.
Doesn't MacOS have some tool for using msdos format floppies instead? so you can use msdos as the standard for all yr OSs? or is that only on later versions of the OS?
hey, get an external 4 gig hard drive, so you can stick tons of extra stuff on it! then you could triple boot BeOS, linux and MacOS all in one go! (or can you not do that from an external drive?)
[ May 09, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
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Mac OS 7.5 and above can read PC floppies. No version of Windows can read Mac floppies.
As for networking, I believe there used to be an adaptor you could plug into your SCSI port (it's the long one on the back of the box) that would let you use Ethernet.
But webbrowsing on anything lower than a 68040 is horribly painful.
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There are commercial software packages available that let you mount, read and format macintosh floppies in windows, actually. I think one of them is called MacTools.
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This is going to make a few people a bit angry, but why in hell do you want Linux instead? Upgrade your Mac OS, man! Don't settle for the penguin, go for the fruit instead!
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Maybe you should try it, and enjoy both. Both have their cool factors for many different reasons. And for the one asking for the Mac Linux distro, It's called "Yellow Dog Linux", only supports PPC though (including iBook). You can get it at http://www.linuxiso.org (http://www.linuxiso.org)
[ May 09, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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Originally posted by Macman:
This is going to make a few people a bit angry, but why in hell do you want Linux instead? Upgrade your Mac OS, man! Don't settle for the penguin, go for the fruit instead!
HAHA!! :D
Linux is cool. I have it on my HD since it is huge. Tho I use OSX more often than YDL.
Linux is fun because it's a pretty cool growing OS. And It's fun to tinker with. None the less, I can do most of the techy stuff thrugh darwin.
I dunno. I mean, Linux is free. Weather you have a Mac or PC, there really is no reason why NOT to use Linux. Even if it is not your main OS, it's worth having around. Who knows, it may very well be the OS of the future.
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Ok then, where could i get a newer version of Mac OS for my "Macintosh Classic"
About this macintosh:
Macintosh Classic System Software Z1-7.0.1
Total Memory 4096k
Largest unused block 2595k
I doubt i can have darwin.
Where can i get some development tools for it.
And i think i know where i can get software for accsesing WIndows floppys, that should run under WINE. But where could i get technical info on it. Then i will just write my own kernel fs driver for it!!!
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Macman seems a little frightened of linux, maybe he reckons that once M$ has fallen, linux will challenge the precious monopoly that Apple might otherwise be able to have ;)
As mentioned here, there is no reason other than not having enough disk space that would make you NOT install linux as well as whatever else you use.
X11 points out that if he uses wine, he will be able to use his msdos format floppies on his mac, *without* having to get system 7 or above, thereby giving you one good reason to install linux on his mac classic.
Is it even possible to have a more recent OS on there? what's the limit for those old mac classics re: the most recent MacOS it can run?
I suspect that if you upgrade to a newer OS, it will run slower and get type 2 exceptions more et c, while linux may just pip it to the post re: memory and so on. I am totally stabbing in the dark here, so correct me if i'm wrong..
ref: using mac floppies in windows, that's fine i suppose, but how would one access mac floppies using linux? i thought it could recognise a bunch of filesystems, but so far i can't read any mac floppies using it.
[ May 10, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
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I have no intent to put Linux on my mac...
Because of reasons like:
*Its a collectors item
*Maybe one day i will have kids, and they can learn some history from it... LOL (http://smile.gif)
*Its a great box anyway.
But linux would run on it fine, so i will try it i have the system disks so it will be easy to fix.
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http://mac.linux-m68k.org/ (http://mac.linux-m68k.org/)
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Originally posted by Ravuya:
There are commercial software packages available that let you mount, read and format macintosh floppies in windows, actually. I think one of them is called MacTools.
HFVExplorer
[ May 10, 2002: Message edited by: Gooseberry Clock ]
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Hey X11:
Sorry I havent gotten back to you.
As far as I know 7.5 is about the lates OS you can run on MacClassics. www.applefritter.com (http://www.applefritter.com) and www.lowendmac.com (http://www.lowendmac.com) all specialise in technical info for older macs. Applefritter has a mod with a Classic II some how hacked up to run OS 8 and have and internal CD drive.
The programming language of choice for the early Mac OS was pascal, it later got upgraded to c. If you go to www.apple.com (http://www.apple.com) and search out "Inside the Machintosh" its the entire API to the OS. (WOW! Publicly available API's? what a concept! Apple must of thought that giving everyone a fair chance to develop for their platform was a good thing)
Anyway...
Common programming environments of the day were THINK C and THINK pascal, both put out by symantech. Their latest THINK C/C++ is actually available free as Abandonware from their website.
If you can't find it, I have a copy of the old THINK C I could give you.
As well as a nifty program calld the Mac Programmers Toolkit. It is basically the entire Inside The Macintosh in a searchable database program. I still use it till this day!
I also have the old header files you will need for older computers like those.
You should also look in to a SDK calld SAT. It is a writen by Ingnmar Ragnemalm a Mac guru. It is an excellent low end graphics and game creation toolkit.
www.spriteworld.org (http://www.spriteworld.org) has a link to SAT.
That's that.
Let me know if this helped!
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Hey, X11,
Did this help?
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Your dead right that helped.
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You can't run Linux (or any other "modern" OS that has memory management) on a Classic because the Classic's CPU, a 68000, doesn't feature the Paged Memory Management Unit (PMMU) required for a version of Linux to boot.
Check out the Linux-m68k project for a list of 68k machines that can run Linux, however.
Apple distributes a free C++ compiler called MPW. Unfortunately, the interface is hard to figure out, documentation is scarce and the compiler is slow, but, hell, it's free. Get it off Apple's Dev-Tools website (I believe it's in the area of 18.6MB) It runs on my LC I, so I believe it would function decently on a Mac Classic..