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All Things Microsoft => Microsoft as a Company => Topic started by: Laukev7 on 18 June 2003, 23:07
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http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/06/18/download.music.ap/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/06/18/download.music.ap/index.html)
It is times like this when I am GLAD to be Canadian.
Cyber death penalty. Oh, joy.
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if we are caught downloading, our computers are destroyed? they are going to monitor everyones computer? isnt that some sort of invasion of my privacy, and completely against the law?
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One would think so. :(
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maybe the patriot act will let them actually do this. im not to up to speed on that act, but it basically gives the government the right to spy on anyone they suspect of terrorism. I am sure it was written with enough loop holes that could legally do this. if they could somehow interpret illegaly downloading an act of homeland terrorism :rolleyes:
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Millions of americans download illegal music. If millions of americans have their computers destroyed then there will be rioting in every city in america.
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I moved to "The Land of the Free" from Scotland 10 years ago this month. In those 10 years, the land of the free has slowly but surely been eradicated.
Land of the Free my fucking arse. You can't buy a pint of milk without a "member" card. The airlines are keeping the government informed of flight bookings etc. This so called democracy is bullshit or the american public are just plain stupid. For fucks sake america, vote c***s like this out. I don't get a vote or I would do it myself.
[ June 18, 2003: Message edited by: HibbeeBoy ]
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Originally posted by TheKnifeThrower:
Millions of americans download illegal music. If millions of americans have their computers destroyed then there will be rioting in every city in america.
Except that Dell and Intel would be delighted with scenario of frying the equipment.
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Originally posted by HibbeeBoy:
I moved to "The Land of the Free" from Scotland 10 years ago this month. In those 10 years, the land of the free has slowly but surely been eradicated.
Land of the Free my fucking arse. You can't buy a pint of milk without a "member" card. The airlines are keeping the government informed of flight bookings etc. This so called democracy is bullshit or the american public are just plain stupid. For fucks sake america, vote c***s like this out. I don't get a vote or I would do it myself.
[ June 18, 2003: Message edited by: HibbeeBoy ]
yes. we americans do have the power to change things. most* do not. they are too busy watching watered down tv and listening to starbucks tell them what kind of coffee to drink. we are spoonfed drugs in our entertainment. it has made us slow and stupid. we do not think for ourselves anymore. it is a pathetic sight. calum had the right word for us, apathetic. im sure there are more, but that one sticks out the most
*most meaning every-fucking-body, including myself :( :mad: :mad:
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Well Siplus? With the Patriot act, DMCA, and traitorous politicans messing around with bills that allow Hollywood to hack, and possibly even damage PCs, are you sure that Canada's laws are stricter? (http://smile.gif)
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Amen.
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Well this is BS. If this does happen (it won't. Hiring 50 hackers that only cause expense and no income isn't ideal right now).
Well first thing would be to get a router, maybe a firewall computer (something cheap like eMachines) to run 6 firewalls... i'd like to see how far they'd get.
This is total BS. What? It may be the only way of punishment? My lord!
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to run 6 firewalls
Fat chance. Right now, they are talking about forbidding the use of firewalls or anything that can be used to hide your ip address.
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TO: Pot
FROM: Kettle
SUBJECT: You are black
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,59305,00.html (http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,59305,00.html)
Now he just needs to blow up his web-servers. he is running an unliscensed Javascript menu system.
b00m
Among the list of people who use it w/out a liscense, everybody favorite OSS supporter, Continental Airlines
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Originally posted by [root@localhost /]$:
he just needs to blow up his web-servers. he is running an unliscensed Javascript menu system.
Yes you just gotta love the self rightousness of hypocrites, especially when they are in the US senate.
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Guess it'll be more usefull to suggest destroying congressmen in some cases ;)
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i say we all just get out of this shit hole and move to canada.
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then go
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i say we all just get out of this shit hole and move to canada.
Hey if you guys have another civil war maybe you can declare yourself part of Canada when you win? :D :D :D
Yeah alright Im joking. I probably shouldnt start this up again... So its a joke ok? Calm down!
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Too late, Faust. I ran away screaming to the airport just before I read that last part. I am on my way to Australia now to strangle you. :D
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Originally posted by ecsyle:951:
yes. we americans do have the power to change things. most* do not. they are too busy watching watered down tv and listening to starbucks tell them what kind of coffee to drink. we are spoonfed drugs in our entertainment. it has made us slow and stupid. we do not think for ourselves anymore. it is a pathetic sight. calum had the right word for us, apathetic. im sure there are more, but that one sticks out the most
*most meaning every-fucking-body, including myself :( :mad: :mad:
LOL, I like Starbucks coffee...
What they do is put one on everycorner it's overkill, like playing a good song on a radio 500 times a day. it kills it.
People overdo everything, excess is the devil.
Now we've got a bajillion people running a system that has fatalf laws,the flaw of excess, and misfocus.
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That's reason i making a program the would hide my mp3s or any other files, fuck i even add a protection if my file get mess with they will remake them self just like a virus. or put my file on very high protection network is not even going to have access to net is going be like a vault. they want to start war with us is going to back fire at them
[ June 21, 2003: Message edited by: mc0282 ]
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Originally posted by ecsyle:951:
maybe the patriot act will let them actually do this. im not to up to speed on that act, but it basically gives the government the right to spy on anyone they suspect of terrorism. I am sure it was written with enough loop holes that could legally do this. if they could somehow interpret illegaly downloading an act of homeland terrorism :rolleyes:
hmmm...ah "get a grip", no one can get into your computer if you don't want them to.
This paranoid delusion that they can is perpetuated by censored newsgroups like this.
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Originally posted by WindowsRULES:
hmmm...ah "get a grip", no one can get into your computer if you don't want them to.
This paranoid delusion that they can is perpetuated by censored newsgroups like this.
well. if they ban firewalls and all of those techs that keep them out of my machine, then yes, it will happen. I wish i could remember the article/thread about firewalls being made illegal. maybe you should read the news once in a while.
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Originally posted by ecsyle:951:
well. if they ban firewalls and all of those techs that keep them out of my machine, then yes, it will happen. I wish i could remember the article/thread about firewalls being made illegal. maybe you should read the news once in a while.
LOL...
I CAN"T FUCKING LAUGH ENOUGHT THIS MORNING!!!!
No one will EVER stop you from having a fire wall.
Like I said GET A GRIP!!!
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Originally posted by WindowsRULES:
LOL...
I CAN"T FUCKING LAUGH ENOUGHT THIS MORNING!!!!
No one will EVER stop you from having a fire wall.
Like I said GET A GRIP!!!
what fucking country do you live in?
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SuperDMCA (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/30231.html)
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The , which took effect on March 31st, typifies the legislation: Among other things, residents of the Great Lakes State can no longer knowingly "assemble, develop, manufacture, possess, deliver, offer to deliver, or advertise" any device or software that conceals "the existence or place of origin or destination of any telecommunications service." It's also a crime to provide written instructions on creating such a device or program. Violators face up to four years in prison.
Taken literally, the law is bad news for businesses like Anonymizer.com and Hushmail -- both services cater to privacy-conscious Internet users determined to conceal their place of origin from marketers, or to communicate anonymously. Critics say it would also ban firewalls and NAT boxes, dealing a blow to Internet security. "This statute essentially criminalizes the mere possession of technology," says Fred von Lohmann, senior staff attorney at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, which opposes the legislation.
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Why do I have the strangest feeling IF this pulls through... it will only affect windows users?
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Originally posted by ecsyle:951:
SuperDMCA (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/30231.html)
intersting, here is my response to them:
<rant>
you know what i say, "good for them" they wrote some words down.
I can run whatever the fuck I want, that includes firewalls, ip spoofs, encryption blah blah blah.
No one can tell me what to do in my home, and that's where I'm at.
I have the constitution that supersedes all else. My personally liberties are a stake and I will fight for them. Right down to the last round.
Some over bearing, self righteous ass hole can spout off all he wants from the soap box but it's doesn
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if it pulls through, i think it will affect all computer users. Until a few companies take control and sell us security like they sell us our internet connections. if the average consumer is not allowed to have the tools neccesary to protect our machines, who will have them? Fuck i hate to sound paranoid, but all i can see happening is us being monitored and controlled because of these laws. I see nothing good coming out of them.
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Originally posted by WindowsRULES:
intersting, here is my response to them:
<rant>
you know what i say, "good for them" they wrote some words down.
I can run whatever the fuck I want, that includes firewalls, ip spoofs, encryption blah blah blah.
No one can tell me what to do in my home, and that's where I'm at.
I have the constitution that supersedes all else. My personally liberties are a stake and I will fight for them. Right down to the last round.
Some over bearing, self righteous ass hole can spout off all he wants from the soap box but it's doesn
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Originally posted by ecsyle:951:
if it pulls through, i think it will affect all computer users. Until a few companies take control and sell us security like they sell us our internet connections. if the average consumer is not allowed to have the tools neccesary to protect our machines, who will have them? Fuck i hate to sound paranoid, but all i can see happening is us being monitored and controlled because of these laws. I see nothing good coming out of them.
agreed, it's all bs from some fat old fuck who thinks he is saying what he needs to, to get re-elected
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Originally posted by ecsyle:951:
do you live in america? you still believe you have rights and can make a difference? must be nice.
It's all about what you know.
I "barked off a cop" a couple of months ago, and he actually left me alone. I ended my rant with "can I go now" and he said "ya". You just have to know what 'they', "can and can't do". It's a big pile of shit, but the more you know the more you can do. Simple as that,just hit the books. Law is just a bunch of BS, kinda like computers ;)
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What can they do to force me to do something? I have my computer, I have the software and the hardware to get it working AND running a firewall... how can they possibly stop me? The only way I see is coming into my home and replacing my BIOS or Processor with one of theirs. Not that it would affect me, as I have backups of them. Seriously, how can they stop us? Other than just saying "no, you can't do that" like they do for copying music.
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Originally posted by Stryker:
What can they do to force me to do something? I have my computer, I have the software and the hardware to get it working AND running a firewall... how can they possibly stop me? The only way I see is coming into my home and replacing my BIOS or Processor with one of theirs. Not that it would affect me, as I have backups of them. Seriously, how can they stop us? Other than just saying "no, you can't do that" like they do for copying music.
YA!! that's what I'm saying (although I disagree on the music thing...but that's another story)
No one can stop us "all" from doing anything. If every computer user in the US decided to use something that was defined "wrong" there wouldn't be enough jail/prision space to hold them.
The courts would be swamped and everything would back log.
The kevin mitnick (?spelling) thing was "cute", but it was nothing more than a scare tactic.
Stay free and tell the grey hairs that don't know how it even works to stick it.
I'm out, gotta sleep :)
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Originally posted by WindowsRULES:
YA!! that's what I'm saying (although I disagree on the music thing...but that's another story)
No one can stop us "all" from doing anything. If every computer user in the US decided to use something that was defined "wrong" there wouldn't be enough jail/prision space to hold them.
The courts would be swamped and everything would back log.
The kevin mitnick (?spelling) thing was "cute", but it was nothing more than a scare tactic.
Stay free and tell the grey hairs that don't know how it even works to stick it.
I'm out, gotta sleep :)
wow, it wasn't a waste of time to read. :eek:
But about the music thing (as that is what this is about), what do you mean you disagree? you mean they can stop us? or you mean it isn't right? Let's hear your other story.
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Originally posted by Stryker:
wow, it wasn't a waste of time to read. :eek:
But about the music thing (as that is what this is about), what do you mean you disagree? you mean they can stop us? or you mean it isn't right? Let's hear your other story.
Both..
they can't stop us, but it isn't right
telling us what we can run on our machines is one story, but using it to do "bad" is wrong
I'd have no problem kicking down the door of some house where the individual was distributing child porn, but not if he is "runing a firewall, or using encryption".
The cause and effect seems to be off in the creation of most recent laws.
The main problem being that the people making the laws don't even know how to check their email. Let alone, have an understanding of what they are talking about.
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Originally posted by WindowsRULES:
LOL...
I CAN"T FUCKING LAUGH ENOUGHT THIS MORNING!!!!
No one will EVER stop you from having a fire wall.
Like I said GET A GRIP!!!
Three possibilities
1) You really are an idiot.
2) You someone in desperate need of attention who just pretends to be an idiot (i.e. a troll).
3) You really are clueless about the legislation being proposed in this country.
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Yo know... when this thread is listed on the main page, it say "Destroy illegal downloaders". That would be pretty effetcive.
[ July 04, 2003: Message edited by: Fett101 ]
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1984, Brave New World, Equilibrium
no way can they pass a legislation making it illegal to run a firewall or encryption. Privacy is still a right among my other constitutional freedoms
theres no way anyone is going to stop users from using their tools or firewalls, or anonymous email, it protects the user from hackers, viruses, trojans, worms, spam, etc
you take away our rights, and you take away security for america
[ July 02, 2003: Message edited by: Emiko ]
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It's a slippery slope. Our privacy is constantly under attack and it's mostly for BS reasons. "Marketing" or "to better serve you". Oh yeah ? Better serve me ? If you want to better serve me, keep outta my face.
Even Window$ users should be able to keep their privacy.
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These politicians are such fucktards that they should not even be permitted to consider any sort of tech-related legislation.
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Provos says the Michigan law also makes most of his academic career a crime. Provos is an expert on steganography, the science of concealing secret messages in seemingly innocuous content. He's developed software to detect some types of stego in image files, but he's also worked the other side, developing improved methods for preventing a message from being detected. He also wrote "HoneyD," a free program that simulates a network of computers, with the aim of luring in and detecting hackers. The deceptive software arguably conceals the source of a communication.
He's quite welcome to move south to Ohio. (http://smile.gif) We'll take him, and all like him that Michigan apparantly doesn't want, and where they and their work aren't welcome. Let Michigan destroy its IT industry; that means more for us, and I won't have so far to commute to get one of those high-tech type jobs. Besides, I've been to Michigan, and it's a shit state anyway. (http://tongue.gif)
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It's also a crime to provide written instructions on creating such a device or program. Violators face up to four years in prison.
Apparantly, the public education system up there is so defective that they never heard of the First Amendment. :eek: You know, freedom of speech, freedom of the press and all that. What does it mean to "provide written instructions"? Suppose I put such instructions within a novel? Or let's say that one were to publish source code that couldn't compile as written, and left it up to the user to correct the typos? Would that constitute a "program"? Or what if I described how to do it verbally?
And just how do they intend to get any convictions? These politicians are so utterly st00pid, that anyone with even a modicum of tech-savvy is laughing at them. All it'd take is one "geek" on the jury, and it'll be a hung jury at the very least.
Then, again, what can you expect? These are the same assholes that think they can win a "War on Drugs" (http://tongue.gif)
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Originally posted by Laukev7:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/06/18/download.music.ap/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/06/18/download.music.ap/index.html)
It is times like this when I am GLAD to be Canadian.
Cyber death penalty. Oh, joy.
This is bullshit! The US goverment has gone way to far! Spying on people??? What the fuck?
I've also herd the US goverment is just literally picking up people from there homes and throwing to jail for no reason at all! Thank god for my title as a Canadian!
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Not sure... but I seem to remember reading, in one of those threads about firewalls being banned, that they were triyng to get them banned in Washington D.C. I could be mistaken though. But if they do... Hello goverment files... :D
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ha ha
yeah they wanted to ban anything that would mask an IP
ie. firewalls, routers, linux, some versions of bindoze
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Originally posted by Emiko:
1984, Brave New World, Equilibrium
no way can they pass a legislation making it illegal to run a firewall or encryption. Privacy is still a right among my other constitutional freedoms
I agree with your ideas but privacy is NOT a constitutional freedom. Read the bill of rights again.
Anti-firewall laws or anti-encryption laws, while being very bad ideas and against the ideals of America, do not violate the letter of the constitution.
[ July 03, 2003: Message edited by: M. O'Brien ]
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EVERY 1 WHO HAS 2 USE MICROSOFT PRODUCTS DOWNLOAD THEM....IF WE WANT MICROSOFT 2 COLLAPSE WE NEED 2 SPRED THE WORD THAT IT IS BLOAT WARE AND ALL DAT EXTRA EVIL SHIT!!!!!!!!!
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IF THEY BMAKE A LAW FORBIDDING USEAGE OF FIRE WALLS OR SOME SHIT LIKE GUESS WAT IM GONNA DO??
FUCK THE LAW'S! WAT R THEY GONNA DO FUCKIN ARREST ME. OH COME ON THAT IS SOOO GAY ADN SOO PATEIC I AM STARTIMNG 2 THINK THAT LIVING ON SOME ISLAND ISNT SO BAD CAUSE THEN THEY COUILDENT FOR BID ME 2 USE FIRE WALLS AND P2P!
FUCK THE POLICEE COMIN STRAIGHT FROM THA UNDER GROUND!
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Stop yelling, my ears are bleeding.
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fuck the laws! FUCK EM! I WILL USE ALL THE ENCRYPTION AND FIREWALLS I WEANNA USE AND THE CONGERESS CAN KISS MY ASS! HOW ARE THEY GONNA SEE IS WE ARE USEING IP MASKING TECH! PROBALLY WITH A NOW SLEW OF ANTI-PRIVACY LAWS! YA, U KNOITS GONNA GO THAT WAS IF THEY COME OUT WIT THAT GAY ASS LAW! I BEET IN LIKE 10 YRS IF YOU WANT 2 GO 2 A GOD DAMN WEB SITE THE US IS GONNA BE WATCHING U AND I BET IN LIKE 25 YRS THERE WILL BE A LAW MAKING ALL OS MAKERS 2 PUT KEY LOGGERS ON ALL NOW COMPUTERS SO THEY CAN TELL WHO IS A TERRORIST. OH COME ON OMG WAT % OF PEOPLE IN THE US DO YOU THINK IS a terrorist....like %0.00000001!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMFFG AND DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THAT HACKING PROGRAM THE FBI HAS MADE UNDER PROTECTION OF THE PATROIT ACT THAT IS A KEY LOGGER AND SHIT AND IOT TRAVELS AROUND THREW WEAMIL... U GUYZ MAY HAVE SOME GAY ASS FBI KEY LOGGER ON YOUR COMP AND YOU DONT KNOP IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!THE US IS GETTIN WORSE IN WORSE!
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If you used a sensible operating system (like Mac OS, for example) instead of that Windows rubbish operating system, you wouldn't have to worry about these issues. And ease it on the caps, will you? It's very annoying.
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Originally posted by suselinux:
ha ha
yeah they wanted to ban anything that would mask an IP
ie. firewalls, routers, linux, some versions of bindoze
routers? ha, the whole internet would be gone. Just to ping google i go through about 12 routers...
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if they make routers and proxies illegal, the entire computer world will collapse. there are simply not enough IPs to support all the world's demanded and already owned IPs. the way the current system works, an office building like Microsoft can have just 1 IP going into a proxy and it feeds several thousand computers. think of the problems there would be if every single one of thoe computers needed its own IP. the state of california alone could take all the world's IP addresses.
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Originally posted by paulmer:
fuck the laws! FUCK EM! I WILL USE ALL THE ENCRYPTION AND FIREWALLS I WEANNA USE AND THE CONGERESS CAN KISS MY ASS! HOW ARE THEY GONNA SEE IS WE ARE USEING IP MASKING TECH! PROBALLY WITH A NOW SLEW OF ANTI-PRIVACY LAWS! YA, U KNOITS GONNA GO THAT WAS IF THEY COME OUT WIT THAT GAY ASS LAW! I BEET IN LIKE 10 YRS IF YOU WANT 2 GO 2 A GOD DAMN WEB SITE THE US IS GONNA BE WATCHING U AND I BET IN LIKE 25 YRS THERE WILL BE A LAW MAKING ALL OS MAKERS 2 PUT KEY LOGGERS ON ALL NOW COMPUTERS SO THEY CAN TELL WHO IS A TERRORIST. OH COME ON OMG WAT % OF PEOPLE IN THE US DO YOU THINK IS a terrorist....like %0.00000001!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMFFG AND DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THAT HACKING PROGRAM THE FBI HAS MADE UNDER PROTECTION OF THE PATROIT ACT THAT IS A KEY LOGGER AND SHIT AND IOT TRAVELS AROUND THREW WEAMIL... U GUYZ MAY HAVE SOME GAY ASS FBI KEY LOGGER ON YOUR COMP AND YOU DONT KNOP IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!THE US IS GETTIN WORSE IN WORSE!
i hate you.
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HERE IS ONE POINT WHAT EVER KIND OF VIRUS THAT WOULD USED TO DO THIS WILL NOT RUN ON LINUX OR FREE BSD
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chill on the caps, we're not friggin blind. Thankyou.
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ShawnD1, Stryker, that's definitely the biggest reason this whole thing wouldn't work (assuming they made it "illegal to use anything that hides an IP," and not something considerably more selective); this would make me a criminal for sharing my internet connection between my two PC's :rolleyes:
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this would make me a criminal for sharing my internet connection between my two PC's
As ridiculous as it is, some ISPs (i.e. Videotron) seem to think so.