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Microsoft speaks DirectX 10
Games Developers Conference Europe WGF is dead, please welcome DX10
By Fuad Abazovic in Londinium (http://javascript:__doPostBack('article_body$lnkEmailForm','')): Friday 02 September 2005, 16:01
MICROSOFT finally saw sense and decided to drop Windows Graphic Foundation (WGF) and replace it with the more easier and logical DirectX 10 name for its nexgen API. It gave some details to the developers officially about its upcoming API and we know that it plans to release this API together with Longhorn. Or Visa, as we must learn to call it.
The DirectX 10 API will have completely new and faster dynamic link libraries (DLLs) and is supposed to run much faster. The company decided to cut the backward compatibility with DirectX 9, 8, 7 and lower in this API but there will be a way to use games programmed for those APIs. Microsoft will enable support for DX 9 or lower games through a software layer, meaning it might run slower.
The company did this to make the next API faster, it said, and at the same time will take some burden of the CPU runtime. At the same time we learned that DirectX 10 will have support for Shaders beyond Shaders, model 4.0.
It's coming with Longhorn but we learned that Shader Model 4.0 might come even before Vista.
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OH yeah, gamers will be overjoyed about this. "All your old games? The ones you hung on to for years? Well you can run them in a software emulation mode."
I wonder if MS is going to try to force the upgrade treadmill by releasing DX10 only for Vista. They will likely drop for W98 and W2k.
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Correction ... PC gamers will be 'overjoyed' about this. Since I will no longer use PCs for gaming, I don't particularly care anymore. Besides, most new game consoles (PS3) will make PC gaming pretty much obsolete. Either way, I hope M$ takes a big punch in the stomach for this :D ... I'm betting it will.
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Correction ... PC gamers will be 'overjoyed' about this. Since I will no longer use PCs for gaming, I don't particularly care anymore. Besides, most new game consoles (PS3) will make PC gaming pretty much obsolete. Either way, I hope M$ takes a big punch in the stomach for this :D ... I'm betting it will.
the PS3 uses a 7800GTX so the graphics will not be better than a PC, and if some how they are, PC graphics tech will over take it in aoubt 2 months. and the r580 will be released before the ps3 and the r580 looks like it can put the 7800gtx to shame
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the PS3 uses a 7800GTX so the graphics will not be better than a PC, and if some how they are, PC graphics tech will over take it in aoubt 2 months. and the r580 will be released before the ps3 and the r580 looks like it can put the 7800gtx to shame
Not to get off topic but - 7800GTX? Wrong. it is an nvidia card though, but they call it "RSX"
GPU specs of PS3:
RSX @550MHz
1.8 TFLOPS floating point performance
Full HD (up to 1080p) x 2 channels
Multi-way programmable parallel floating point shader pipelines
No shit the r580 will bring the 7800GTX to shame... it's the new generation. The 7800's were made to compete with the x1800's, but people seem to think that they were the competitors of the x800's becuase they were released during their time.
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It sounds like M$ is trying to force people out, and make them upgrade or do something that isnt nessacary in the practical sense.
I dont think M$ is going to be punched in the gut. Theyre probably end up getting kicked in the ass.
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I hope M$ takes a big punch in the stomach for this :D ... I'm betting it will.
I dont think M$ is going to be punched in the gut. Theyre probably end up getting kicked in the ass.
I think they'll get a large bunch of gamers upgrading.
It's a smart move by Microsoft.
There are too many smart moves Microsoft can make in their position.
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You know I can't even run Battlefield 2 on my graphics card (GeForce 4Ti) ... this means I won't be able to run pretty much any new games that come out ... I say game console is a better choice ...
@ piratePenguin ... you're probably right, every move M$ makes is calculated to produce the most profit in the end ... if I want to run new games I'll need to both upgrade to DirectX 10 and buy a new video card ... that ain't gonna happen, I've played by their rules for too long ... it ends with the PS3 ...
oh, and ATI r580 sucks dick ! I never consider the specs of an ATI card they are meaningless to me ... considering the defective piece of shit cards they sold me in the past. I swore I'd never buy ATI again ... ever !
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You know I can't even run Battlefield 2 on my graphics card (GeForce 4Ti) ... this means I won't be able to run pretty much any new games that come out ... I say game console is a better choice ...
Wait... are you serious? Do you mean the 4Ti doesn't have enough power for BF2 or that the drivers won't support it?
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Wait... are you serious? Do you mean the 4Ti doesn't have enough power for BF2 or that the drivers won't support it?
a Ti4800 is an OLD card. It did have alot of juice in it, but nevertheless it's still old. It was the top of the line directx8 card (final in it's generation too) It's not cut out for dx9 games, but will run some in dx8/8.1 mode. It physically won't do dx9. It's also a pixel shader 1.3 card (out dated)... it physically can't handle everything in BF2 and newer games.
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Who cares?
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BF2 is a piss-poor implementation of a good concept.
It could have been MUCH better, but the games coding is absolutely horrendous.
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BF2 is a piss-poor implementation of a good concept.
It could have been MUCH better, but the games coding is absolutely horrendous.
it has ALOT of problems...but then again it's made by EA :rolleyes:
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Who cares?
Word.
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what ??
The company decided to cut the backward compatibility
oh nooooooooo what ever shall we dooooooo !???? d:P
oh please every fucking new release of M$ soft ware
is backward incompatible!
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what ??
oh nooooooooo what ever shall we dooooooo !???? d:P
oh please every fucking new release of M$ soft ware
is backward incompatible!
oh noes, the typical and ignorant MS hater. For your information directx has amazing backward compatability at the moment and it's amaizing what game engines do with it. :thumbdwn: Just because this is an anti-MS site (and MS does make alot of bullshit) still doesn't mean you can make shit up. Stick to the facts, son.
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a Ti4800 is an OLD card. It did have alot of juice in it, but nevertheless it's still old. It was the top of the line directx8 card (final in it's generation too) It's not cut out for dx9 games, but will run some in dx8/8.1 mode. It physically won't do dx9. It's also a pixel shader 1.3 card (out dated)... it physically can't handle everything in BF2 and newer games.
Wow, hi-tech. It's hard to believe you don't know what shell scripting is.
:D
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well if dx9-s are compatible
with older versions now the new dx10 will
not be!
i mean just look at the stupid word.doc thing
with each new version it gets a litle bit more incompatible
i am not even going to go to the troubles
that i've had figureing out that on one update the
directx broke and i needed directx eradicator !
i wonder what will happen if you install the new one
and then atempt to semi-unistall it and install an older version
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and why the heck even bother with directx
couldnot they just fuse it to another driver or
something and not use n-number of dlls for it!?
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a Ti4800 is an OLD card. It did have alot of juice in it, but nevertheless it's still old. It was the top of the line directx8 card (final in it's generation too) It's not cut out for dx9 games, but will run some in dx8/8.1 mode. It physically won't do dx9. It's also a pixel shader 1.3 card (out dated)... it physically can't handle everything in BF2 and newer games.
Yup, it's all a part of M$ strategy to get you to buy new hardware ... it's an awesome card, but if DirectX doesn't support it, it ain't worth shit :( :fu: M$ :mad:
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Is there any OS that has an extensive sets of games?
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Wow, hi-tech. It's hard to believe you don't know what shell scripting is.
:D
Hey I'm a hardware nerd (and still getting better at CSS and XHTML, on to PHP next though. ;)
Yup, it's all a part of M$ strategy to get you to buy new hardware ... it's an awesome card, but if DirectX doesn't support it, it ain't worth shit :( :fu: M$ :mad:
Incorrect. The card cannot physically handle the new shaders and new technology. Every new version of dx adds more capabilities. The Ti series cannot handle them. It's outdated. It's a VS1.1 while everything is VS2.0 and rapidly moving up to 3.0
the Ti4800 is better than the geforce3 hybrid card used in the xbox, but it's still crap. and keep in mind xbox runs games @ 640x480 with no AA/AF...
edit: it's a crap card. ;)
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Incorrect. The card cannot physically handle the new shaders and new technology. Every new version of dx adds more capabilities. The Ti series cannot handle them. It's outdated. It's a VS1.1 while everything is VS2.0 and rapidly moving up to 3.0
the Ti4800 is better than the geforce3 hybrid card used in the xbox, but it's still crap. and keep in mind xbox runs games @ 640x480 with no AA/AF...
edit: it's a crap card. ;)
Well, it's not ... or it wasn't when I bought it ... either way, the "added capabilities" af newer DX versions force people to buy new cards. I'm not convinced that these "added capabilities" add up to too much ... surely they could design DirectX to be compatible with the outdated VS1.1 cards by disabling some of these capabilities and it would work just fine.
Here's an example ... my brother has a GeForce FX ... supposedly better than mine, but my card can run most older games (like Command & Conquer Generals) at higher resolutions and higher frame rates than his ... but his can run BF2, while mine can't ... what a fucking waste ...
I'm sure that M$ is doing this on purpose ... for maximum profit ... or is there another explanation ?
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I think they'll get a large bunch of gamers upgrading.
It's a smart move by Microsoft.
There are too many smart moves Microsoft can make in their position.
Well, at least I'm not in that 'large bunch'.
I currently have an Nvidia Geforce FX 5500, and while it can't even play Far Cry well at all, it is still a great card for the price we paid for it (practically free :p).
I do get annoyed that I cannot run some of my older games though, it really gets on my nerves when I buy an old game and turns out it doesn't run (Diablo 2) :rolleyes:
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Wow ... well Far Cry works great with my card, even at max resolution. Too bad the game ain't so good, then I'd play it more often.
So I guess it works both ways then ... no back-compatibility, no forward-compatability ... smells like M$
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Hmm, maybe Far Cry just isn't suited to your taste, personally, I think it is the best first person shooter to date, even the multiplayer is great fun.
Well, my old Geforce FX 5700LE could run Far Cry on at least high settings, but this one just can't handle it....
I hope I can at least get a mid-range card for Christmas (6600GT/6800). :D
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farcry runs like crap on the FX series because the FX were really shitty cards. The Ti series beats the FX in mostly all dx8 benchmarks. The top line of the FX series was also complete crap (FX 5900/5950) becuase they used a hybrid version of pixel pipelines (4x2, making it not use full potential of pixel pipelines in all games) while it's competitor 9800's used 8x1. The FX series also do not fully support dx9 (even though the box says so)...
H_TeXMeX_H, if you don't beleive these added capabililites add much more check out the comparison between different pixel shaders (http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjA5) Also check out High Dynamic Range (HDR)
Don't blame MS, MS is responsible for the API, not the backward compatability that some games are lacking (but will fuck us for backward compatabililty for DX10 if anybody actually read this article instead of bitching about their GPU's) blame the game makers that you can't play their games because they don't have support for older cards. HL2 will on on practicaly any card that's DX7+, the engine has support to drop features so older cards can run it and still get good frames, for example on your Ti HL2 would run in dx8 mode. BF2 won't run on your PC becuase it's made by EA, EA is known for not getting shit done so you're not missing much...
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Yeah, I already know most of the stuff about the FX series being shit, but the thing that annoys me is that I paid almost the same price as my last card and my last card was at least twice as good in directx 9 games (Far Cry was actually playable) :rolleyes:
Although, my card does quite well on the Source Engine, even if it is only DirectX 8.0 :p
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farcry runs like crap on the FX series because the FX were really shitty cards. The Ti series beats the FX in mostly all dx8 benchmarks. The top line of the FX series was also complete crap (FX 5900/5950) becuase they used a hybrid version of pixel pipelines (4x2, making it not use full potential of pixel pipelines in all games) while it's competitor 9800's used 8x1. The FX series also do not fully support dx9 (even though the box says so)...
H_TeXMeX_H, if you don't beleive these added capabililites add much more check out the comparison between different pixel shaders (http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjA5) Also check out High Dynamic Range (HDR)
Don't blame MS, MS is responsible for the API, not the backward compatability that some games are lacking (but will fuck us for backward compatabililty for DX10 if anybody actually read this article instead of bitching about their GPU's) blame the game makers that you can't play their games because they don't have support for older cards. HL2 will on on practicaly any card that's DX7+, the engine has support to drop features so older cards can run it and still get good frames, for example on your Ti HL2 would run in dx8 mode. BF2 won't run on your PC becuase it's made by EA, EA is known for not getting shit done so you're not missing much...
Ok, you're probably right, EA takes most of the blame for BF2 ... and yeah, I agree, there is a big difference when comparing pixel shaders ... the only question is ... which one looks better. In some cases SM3.0 looks better than SM2.0 ... and in others, it's the other way around.
In another apples and realworld oranges comparison, we have to think our SM2.0 staircase looks a bit more realistic than the SM3.0.
And yeah ... SM1.1 sucks no matter what.
As for DX10 ... it makes for no forward-compatability, cuz you can't play most older games with DX10 and a new vid-card, and no back-compatability cuz older cards don't support DX10. Did I say that right ? If I didn't, then here ... the word 'compatibility' is not in DX10's list of pros.
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Hey I'm a hardware nerd (and still getting better at CSS and XHTML, on to PHP next though. ;)
Incorrect. The card cannot physically handle the new shaders and new technology. Every new version of dx adds more capabilities. The Ti series cannot handle them. It's outdated. It's a VS1.1 while everything is VS2.0 and rapidly moving up to 3.0
the Ti4800 is better than the geforce3 hybrid card used in the xbox, but it's still crap. and keep in mind xbox runs games @ 640x480 with no AA/AF...
edit: it's a crap card. ;)
wrong. NTSC is 320x240 @ 24FPS, so its card has it easy not having to render at above 24FPS
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NTSC is 640x480 (4:3) which is the native standard tv resolution. 320x240? what the fuck.
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Actually, according to my information, you're both wrong.
http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/menc-feat-vcd-dvd.html
this says that NTSC is 704x480 @~30fps. Widescreen format is 720x480. Or, for lower resolution, cut each number in half: 352x240 or 360x240.
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ok, standard def TVs are 352x240. Thats why when you connect your computer upto a standared def TV it always looks crap even if you set it at 640x480.
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ok, standard def TVs are 352x240. Thats why when you connect your computer upto a standared def TV it always looks crap even if you set it at 640x480.
Whenever I connect my PC to my tv, the maximum resolution is 1024x768 at 60 Hz. Maybe it's because I have PAL instead of NTSC?
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Yes, NTSC is shit, I think its limit is 640x480 and PAL is 800x600, I wonder how you got 1024x768?
Your PC always looks shit on a TV because the picture is much bigger and the tube is of a lower quality than most monitors.
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I study video engineering let me clear some stuff up.
NTSC is 720 x 480 interlaced frames at 60Hz, This framterate was picked because the AC power in the US cycles at 60Hz. The pixels on an NTSC TV are not square like the ones on your computer monitor. They are slightly skinny, widescreen TV is the same, but the pixels are simply wider than they are tall
PAL, on the other hand is 525 lines, but at 50Hz, a ower framerate, again, because the UK and Europe AC power cycles at 50 Hz. PAL uses a very interesting solution for widescreen broadcast. They use a system called PAL Plus, in which widescreen content is broadcasted letterboxed, BUT with extra data in the space that the letterboxes use, thus when a PAL Plus receiver is used, the box will take that data to fill in the information that would otherwise be lost in the cropping procedure. This system is not as widely used anymore as it once was, however.
I'm not going to go into SECAM, because nobody uses it anymore.
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Whenever I connect my PC to my tv, the maximum resolution is 1024x768 at 60 Hz. Maybe it's because I have PAL instead of NTSC?
same with my TV and it's NTSC... looks fine at 1024x768. Not sure about 60Hz though, playing DVD's that I ripped causes tearing in places.
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Yes, NTSC is shit, I think its limit is 640x480 and PAL is 800x600, I wonder how you got 1024x768?
Your PC always looks shit on a TV because the picture is much bigger and the tube is of a lower quality than most monitors.
I usually do 800x600 on tv, because it looks good.
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DX10 will have backwards compatibility??!
http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/article.asp?SCID=15&CIID=24636 (http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/article.asp?SCID=15&CIID=24636)
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DX10 will have backwards compatibility??!
http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/article.asp?SCID=15&CIID=24636 (http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/article.asp?SCID=15&CIID=24636)
Lets hope it's true. :p
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Typical Microsoft. Get a monopoly lock on an api (OpenGL is pretty much beaten) and then they start dictating. You know what's coming, don't you?
Patented "microsoft technology" in the D3D api that Microsoft "innovates" but the hardware companies actually end up inventing to be compliant. And these won't be available to OpenGL or Cedega.
D3D started out as a unified API for all the fragmented 3D accelerator boards that popped up in the mid-1990's. Now MS (who is NOT a hardware developer) is dictating to the hardware manufacturers what they will and will not put in their cards.
"Freedom to innovate," what a joke.
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Direct3D10, which will ship with Windows Vista in a few months, doesn't seem to be a large cause for concern. At first glance it appears to be more of an evolutionary change rather than revolutionary. New shader support will be needed, but extending ours once OpenGL supports it should be pretty easy. Stefan mentioned Microsoft is currently offering a lot of incentives for Windows developers who develop D3D10-only games since they'll only be usable on Vista - there's no plan to backport D3D10 to XP. Dan Kegel asked if that means we should port Wine's forthcoming D3D10 implementation to Windows, which would be relatively easy when we switch to WGL.
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I really haven't been keeping tabs on this disgrace but let me know when taking pride in being a "PC gamer" finally and righteously turns to shame. I can't stand gamer nerds. Fine play your games, but why tout that around as a legitimate concern of OS technology. Grow up. Keep on stickling about trivial increases in textures, resolutions, and polygon count while fiddling around with the same old piece of shit mouse and keyboard. Call me when the actual physical interface advances.
(and yes I know you can buy a joystick, racing wheel, etc. but who has this? And only a wheel & pedals would interest me. Flying with a joystick is retarded. And more important than all that, the showcase of these games, the core reason to geek out on video hardware, is predominantly due to FPS games --hence back to the pathetic mouse and keyboard)
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DirectX 9 doesn't have backwards compatibility. My dad has Windows ME and DirectX 9 and I can't use my older games on it. Why would DirectX 10 have reverse compatibility if 9 didn't? If we can use games that were compatible with previous versions, well, I would be very suprised indeed. Very fucking typical of Microsoft to try and bump users of older stuff off and charge a bomb to use the new stuff.
I can see how much class (or should I say lack of class) they have in trying to remove gamers who use older games and trying to pressurize gamers into upgrading their version of DirectX. Any company with more sense than money would give we gamers some decant hardware/software that can accept older games and older versions or at least offer equipment that can function alongside older hardware and software when both are installed in the same base unit and/or on the same hard drive. Maybe even, like Nintendo, for example, keep their older products available at least somewhere on the market! *sigh* Microsoft's hardware and software gets worse as time passes. Not better. Many other companies provide for all folk who buy their products. But not these losers we are forced to call Microsoft. I guess caring about their customers and trying to provide for most is not how they go about business.
No DirectX upgrade for me. This new version will mean that I might not be able to use any of my games at all.:thumbdwn:
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DirectX 9 doesn't have backwards compatibility. My dad has Windows ME and DirectX 9 and I can't use my older games on it. Why would DirectX 10 have reverse compatibility if 9 didn't? If we can use games that were compatible with previous versions, well, I would be very suprised indeed.
Interesting that you say this. I've grown in the free software world to expect backwards compatibility to be possible somehow (keeping an old version of a library around), and ya know, I don't think it's any extra inconvenience for the GTK+, Qt, etc.... developers.
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WHats with the "J00 AINT PLAIN' TEH OLD GAMES !"
Why don't microsoft provide compatibility mode for the executables and when you run the game in that mode it will just use the old Libs.
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[OFFTOPIC] PS: How do you generate those pictures of yours?[/OFFTOPIC]
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On the subject, it would be pretty embarasing for Microsoft, if gamers use Wine to play DirectX 10 games on Windows XP.
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DirectX 9 doesn't have backwards compatibility. My dad has Windows ME and DirectX 9 and I can't use my older games on it.
DX9 Does have backwards compatability in it. Your problems probably lie with Windows ME, which is a giant piece of CRAP.
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You are quite right. My favourite systems from the Windows series are 95, 98, and ME, but I have noticed that as the time passes and the operating systems have come out of hiding, compatibility problems have always been on the increase since the release of systems after 98. And it ain't gonna get better. Only much worse. Windows 2000 and XP's compatibility was much worse than that in Windows 98, and yet support is only enabled for those. I wish game compatibility was not just fixed towards certain entries in the Windows series only. I wish that we could at least use our games on Linux, Unix, Acorn, others like that.:(
I wish I had a Windows 98 disc again so that I could get my old games out of the box in my cupboard I store them in. Or better still, Windows 98 and a Linux disc. Seems like we are being forced to dig deep into our nearly empty money safes and fish out for new games whereas Microsoft's money sacks grow as heavy as large lumps of osmium (the heaviest of all known elements, twice as heavy as lead).
However, I COULD use my older games before I upgraded to DirectX 9. It proves both of our points.:(
Selfishness has taken hold of the brains (or should I say lack of brains) at Microsoft.
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[OFFTOPIC] PS: How do you generate those pictures of yours?[/OFFTOPIC]
[OFFTOPIC]Wich pictures of ours ?[/OFFTOPIC]
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[OFFTOPIC] The ones on the left sitting just under your username and above your post count. [/OFFTOPIC]
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[offtopic]Most of them we lift from sites wholesale, or edit to suit our needs. I think Etement's is the most original on here right now. :)
You set the image under "User CP" > "Control Panel" > "Edit Avatar" for your posts, and "Edit Profile Picture" for whatever you want in your profile. Mine was Werner Klemperer for a while. :D
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[offtopic]And now it's the dark mage from Final Fantasy (the original on NES...just plain old NES)[/offtopic]
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[OFFTOPIC]Truly, Black Mage rulez.:thumbup:[/OFFTOPIC]
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[offtopic]And now it's the dark mage from Final Fantasy (the original on NES...just plain old NES)[/offtopic]
[offtopic]I've not played FF3 that much, I just did it because of 8-Bit Theater. :D[/offtopic]
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[offtopic]I've not played FF3 that much, I just did it because of 8-Bit Theater. :D[/offtopic]
[offtopic]8-bit rocks. I haven't even played FF3 yet. Still beating FF1 on zsnes (love the emul8rs:cool:)[/offtopic]
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*hadokens a random object*
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oh noes, the typical and ignorant MS hater. For your information directx has amazing backward compatability at the moment and it's amaizing what game engines do with it. Just because this is an anti-MS site (and MS does make alot of bullshit) still doesn't mean you can make shit up. Stick to the facts, son.
it is the facts, they are on and off compatible,
incomnpatible, then compatible till people are done being steamed
then incompatible again for instance now, JUST now, when everyone has forgotten the word 97-95 fiasco. 2007 files wont open in 2003
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Watched the video.
Shame on Bill Gates. That selfish loser. I don't even know who Ballmer is, but he sounds like a retard too.
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I guess Ballmer is Microsoft's CEO.
One of his main characteristics is Fucking kill
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On the subject, it would be pretty embarasing for Microsoft, if gamers use Wine to play DirectX 10 games on Windows XP.
thats how i eased into linux....
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I don't even know who Ballmer is
why, read up!!!!!
http://www.microsuck.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10825
http://www.uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Steve_Ballmer
hes the guy making ms the shitpile it is
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You do realise that linking Uncyclopedia, while quite hilarious in the interim, does absolutely nothing for people looking for legitimate claims of the man's many personality defects? ;)
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such as claiming to Pwn linux?
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It beats me why a man like this is even anything to do with any company let alone MS. If the company had any sense (if this was a false fact), they'd get rid of him for that.
And - what the hell is he doing in an encyclopedia?
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It's 2007 and vistas release date is tommorrow and I am still waiting for a DirectX 10 capable graphics card that doesn't cost $900 like that Nvidia 8800 does. Geez MS are a pain in the ass. I can't even upgrade to get off of my crappy Radeon 9200 which I have been waiting to upgrade for 3 YEARS. When will game makers stop releasing games on Linux instead of Windows this is pathetic.
And on march 30th my favourite game Unreal Tournament 3 will be release and I won't be able to play it at 30+ fps.
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Wait... UT works on linux and theres cedega for the rest!
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It's 2007 and vistas release date is tommorrow and I am still waiting for a DirectX 10 capable graphics card that doesn't cost $900 like that Nvidia 8800 does. Geez MS are a pain in the ass. I can't even upgrade to get off of my crappy Radeon 9200 which I have been waiting to upgrade for 3 YEARS. When will game makers stop releasing games on Linux instead of Windows this is pathetic.
And on march 30th my favourite game Unreal Tournament 3 will be release and I won't be able to play it at 30+ fps.
UT2007 isn't the third release of UT, it's the fourth...
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dx 10 incompatibility is imo one of the final nails in the coffin vista is going to give them
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i actually think that DX10 incompatibility is a feature.
It's a feature in Ubuntu, anyway! If it wasn't free, i might even pay for it!
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I'll probably install Vista for the sole purpose of running games with DX10...but hell will freeze over before I give Microfuckingbastards a cent.....as a Gamer I can say I will find a way not to pay for Microsoft shit, now they want to monopolize the gaming market by being the only platform which will run DX10. Don't do it, join in the support the erradication of anything Microsoft.
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I hope you're suggesting contributing to the Wine variant of DirectX, as outright piracy is just a subtler way of enjoying the corporate ass-rammings. See what happens if you start to get publicity as an "anti-Microsoft zealot" at this IP, with statements like that. Have fun with the BSA goons.
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I hope you're suggesting contributing to the Wine variant of DirectX, as outright piracy is just a subtler way of enjoying the corporate ass-rammings. See what happens if you start to get publicity as an "anti-Microsoft zealot" at this IP, with statements like that. Have fun with the BSA goons.
BSA = Bull Shit Artists perhaps?
Don't think any antimicrosoft zealots will get publicity....because there are so many. My gripe with Microsoft is how they are trying to Monopolise gaming by forcing users who want to upgrade their graphics cards to DX10 to installing Vista also. A 'Varient' of DX10 would be ideal which is capable of running on another OS. But to force people with a particular type of hardware to have no option is bad for consumers...period. I have no gripe with the new OS perse, but I do have a problem with targeting gamers to further entrench a monopoly.
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I got news for ya buddy, Gamers were among the first targets of MS. Always have been. All the way back at win 3.1 You had a fair shot at finding games for other OS, then 95, other OS's were decent for games. Then along came 98. The gamers worlds has predominantly resided in windows with the most current ver of DX ever since. This isn't even a new move. They used to have the Game designers do it for you. Remember any of the upgrades because you went to install a game and it told you your DX didn't support it, but conveniently enough, the newest ver is with this amazing install disk! Yeah, they must love me...
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The title should be "directX 10 we care about protecting our monopoly and will do anything to keep it including shoot ourselves in the foot, because even though we are hurting ourselves we think it will help so we are going screw over customers more than ever even though we wont survive it.
Happy Gaming -Microsoft"
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BSA = Bull Shit Artists perhaps?
Business Software Alliance (http://bsa.org). You'll get used to hating that name while Tiny parks his meat wagon in your carriage house for the next 15-20 years for not being smart enough to dump the platform that made you violate all kinds of copyright and contract laws by doing what you're thinking.
Don't think any antimicrosoft zealots will get publicity....because there are so many.
Fuckmicrosoft has been mentioned in Forbes and Reuters (to name some non-tech publications), buddy - that's pretty decent publicity for a home-brewed activist site.
My gripe with Microsoft is how they are trying to Monopolise gaming by forcing users who want to upgrade their graphics cards to DX10 to installing Vista also. A 'Varient' of DX10 would be ideal which is capable of running on another OS. But to force people with a particular type of hardware to have no option is bad for consumers...period. I have no gripe with the new OS perse, but I do have a problem with targeting gamers to further entrench a monopoly.
I happen to agree, but check out who founded and owns the DirectX "standard" some time. If it reminds you of the Internet Explorer "standard" and the Word Doc "standard" then I hope you agree that something's definitely rotten in the vicinity of Denmark.
I got news for ya buddy, Gamers were among the first targets of MS. Always have been. All the way back at win 3.1 You had a fair shot at finding games for other OS, then 95, other OS's were decent for games. Then along came 98. The gamers worlds has predominantly resided in windows with the most current ver of DX ever since.
Right, and Microsoft saw the classic console formats as encroaching into "their" gaming territory and unleashed the Xbox upon a generally unsuspecting public.
This isn't even a new move. They used to have the Game designers do it for you. Remember any of the upgrades because you went to install a game and it told you your DX didn't support it, but conveniently enough, the newest ver is with this amazing install disk!
It's easy to embrace the corporation when they control the system, the media, the codecs, the hardware specs...
Yeah, they must love me...
Of course they do - in much the same way you might "love" any particular supermodel. Repeat customers are marketing's pornography.