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Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Calum on 7 May 2003, 18:45: look here:

LinuxQuestions.org thread - Y use Linux instead of windows ?? (http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=75f8ac8c9dc257e9318f900419b9824f&postid=297801#post297801)
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: xyle_one on 7 May 2003, 19:34: thats a long thread. i didnt read the whole thing, just that last post. it was very convincing, and i havent looked at it that way. linux can be installed on anything, windows can't. now which one supports more hardware? (http://smile.gif) nice.
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: HibbeeBoy on 7 May 2003, 22:02: You certainly put him/her in their place.

At first I had problems getting my Dell hardware working with SuSe 8.0. But I stuck to it, researched the problems, asked around and low and behold, the problem is not Linux, it's because Dell ripped me off with hardware (winmodem and soundcard) that only works with Window$. It was very interesting to find out about modems in particular and why they only work with Window$. The consumer is being ripped off right and left or left and right, I forget which. So, when you see the Pentium and Designed for Window$ sticker, that's a warning right there folks. I will not be making that mistake again.

[ May 07, 2003: Message edited by: HibbeeBoy ]
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: xyle_one on 7 May 2003, 22:11: seems like something that could be used for open open.
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Pantso on 8 May 2003, 00:33: That is certainly one long thread. Sorry, but I couldn't read all of it. I read Calum's post though which was excellent and right to the point.

I can't add anything more really. (http://smile.gif)
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: HPC GUY on 8 May 2003, 01:18: Good Fuckin Job calcum!!! *quotes simpsons* "that outta hold those little sob's" :D
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: mobrien_12 on 8 May 2003, 07:13: Plus, Linux STILL supports ISA cards. MS stopped doing that with XP.

I think that gives linux a HUGE edge in peripheral support.
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: preacher on 8 May 2003, 20:09: Here is my funny little story about linux hardware support. My friend Sam and I both bought brand new sound blaster sound cards about 6 months ago and assumed we would have no problem getting them to work with Mandrake 9.0. Anyway after a lot of problems, neither of us had sound. Well I got pissed and took the card back, and bought the cheapest, oldest sound card they had at the store ($5). It was so old that it had drivers for MS-Dos 5 and Windows 3.1 included. Anyway I installed it and it works flawlessly. It seems sometimes the older the hardware is, the more likely it will work well with linux.
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Calum on 8 May 2003, 21:29: quote:
Originally posted by M. O'Brien:
Plus, Linux STILL supports ISA cards. MS stopped doing that with XP.

I think that gives linux a HUGE edge in peripheral support.

i didn't know that! and i think it's pretty pathetic they stopped supporting ISA cards, most people still have ISA slots, even if they have no actual ISA cards, but if they run XP, they have no choice if they ever use those ISA slots. and woe betide those people who do have an ISA card installed. And it's not like they have a problem implementing ISA support in windows, the work has already been done, they just need to include it. there's no logical reason to stop supporting this standard.
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Calum on 8 May 2003, 21:46: the thread there at linuxquestions is actually the sort of thing i would expect to see on this site, it's quite interesting to dip into, and it has actually been on the go for a couple of years. i only started following the thread that would not die about maybe a year ago, when it was maybe 20 pages long, always good to see what even people on a linux site will say to defend windows! :eek:
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: flap on 8 May 2003, 22:25: quote:
Originally posted by Calum: hopelessly outnumbered:

i didn't know that! and i think it's pretty pathetic they stopped supporting ISA cards, most people still have ISA slots, even if they have no actual ISA cards, but if they run XP, they have no choice if they ever use those ISA slots. and woe betide those people who do have an ISA card installed. And it's not like they have a problem implementing ISA support in windows, the work has already been done, they just need to include it. there's no logical reason to stop supporting this standard.

I think any machine old enough to have ISA slots probably won't run XP.
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: psyjax on 9 May 2003, 00:06: heheheheheh

put another coin in the rant-o-matic

hehehehehe
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: mobrien_12 on 9 May 2003, 05:40: quote:
Originally posted by flap:

I think any machine old enough to have ISA slots probably won't run XP.

Pentium III systems should run XP according to MS specs.
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Fett101 on 9 May 2003, 10:27: Sisters PC has ISA slots and XP. Badda bing, badda boom.
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Faust on 9 May 2003, 12:37: quote:
My friend Sam and I both bought brand new sound blaster sound cards about 6 months ago and assumed we would have no problem getting them to work with Mandrake 9.0.

Those wouldnt be creative soundcards would they? I had some trouble in Red Hat 8 with those. Kept detecting my onboard sound as "primary" and not setting up the Soundblaster Live properly. Disabling onboard sound at the BIOS and then redetecting sound cards works, and if that doesnt have you tried rmmod [currentsoundcarddriver], modprobe emu10k1? Sometimes they wont shove in the emu10k1 drivers even if they detect they card. :rolleyes:

edit : Which also raises the point that Linux has native support for the Free creative emu10k1 module wheras Windows requires the use of a driver CD. Speaking of which how much Windows hardware requires a driver CD/floppy? Far more than Linux i'm willing to guess. (especially for network cards. ;) )

[ May 09, 2003: Message edited by: Faust ]
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Calum on 9 May 2003, 13:26: i bought a spiffy new creative soundblaster (all real soundblasters come from creative) a few months ago, i eventually returned it to the shop (they said i could return it if it wasn't compatible with my operating system ;) ) and i bought a (
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: preacher on 9 May 2003, 14:05: quote:
Originally posted by Calum: hopelessly outnumbered:
i bought a spiffy new creative soundblaster (all real soundblasters come from creative) a few months ago, i eventually returned it to the shop (they said i could return it if it wasn't compatible with my operating system ;) ) and i bought a (
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Faust on 9 May 2003, 15:01: Erm creative cards are supported in linux, by official _Free Software_ drivers. At most all you should need to do is compile in the drivers (emu10k1), I didn't even have to do that. It was easier to get my soundblaster live working in Linux than it was in Windows. :confused:
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Calum on 9 May 2003, 16:09: well it didn't work in linux. i went to their website and it said it wasn't supported in linux. the CD that came with it only had windows drivers, and mandrake did not pick up the card on installation, even though mandrake has (in my opinion) the best detection of sound cards amongst the popular linux distros.

perhaps all soundblasters are supported by these drivers, just the not so new ones?

i went for the soundblaster first because i (wrongly) thought "these are the defacto standard for soundcards, this has the best chance of working".

[ May 09, 2003: Message edited by: Calum: hopelessly outnumbered ]
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Faust on 9 May 2003, 18:51: ??? mines a soundblaster live, what's yours?
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Calum on 9 May 2003, 19:21: well i can't honestly remember, it being 5 months since i took it back to the shop, but i think it was this one here (http://uk.europe.creative.com/estore/product.asp?prod=251), the sound blaster 4.1 digital.

edit, in fact it was, i recognise the little bastard...

edit2: in fact it definitely was here's the thread where i complain about the fact bitterly (http://www.newtolinux.org.uk/forum/index.php?board=14;action=display;threadid=97).

[ May 09, 2003: Message edited by: Calum: hopelessly outnumbered ]
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: preacher on 10 May 2003, 01:15: Yeah, I tried for six hours to get mine working. Supposedly it came with the drivers for the sound card, but during the boot process when it tried to load the kernel module, it always failed. I ended getting my super cheap old ass card and it works great.
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Pantso on 10 May 2003, 02:03: I also have a bitter experience with brand new hardware and Linux. Sometimes it's definitely better to go with older hardware than brand new and fancy ones. ;)
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: TheQuirk on 10 May 2003, 05:17: quote:
You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.

Let me tell you something: I don't have to admint anything. :D
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: baggab on 10 May 2003, 15:24: It has been my experience with RH 6.1, 8.0 and knoppix 3.2 that there is some truth to the hardware issues. From a complete newbie's position: there's drive mounting with RH 8.0, as an example. I've had issues with video and sound cards, but the time I've wasted trying to make M$ work has been vastely greater.
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Pantso on 10 May 2003, 15:28: quote:
Originally posted by baggab:
It has been my experience with RH 6.1, 8.0 and knoppix 3.2 that there is some truth to the hardware issues. From a complete newbie's position: there's drive mounting with RH 8.0, as an example. I've had issues with video and sound cards, but the time I've wasted trying to make M$ work has been vastely greater.

Of course there are hardware issues. I've had such myself as well. However, I don't believe anyone can blaim the Linux vendors for that.

I also agree with your last sentence. Sometimes if not all, the time someone wastes to make Windows work is far greater than the time it would take for someone to get Linux to work. (http://smile.gif)

[ May 10, 2003: Message edited by: Panos ]
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: choasforages on 13 May 2003, 10:56: no longer am i "hacker choas" i shall be now known as "demigod choas"
why you ask, do i deserve to be reconized as one with the system, a hacker far beyound the mortal realm of skills?
working sound on the thinkpad 600, and it wasn't exactly a follow the directions kinda deal, i had to improvise and it was a fight i fought agianst it for a year+ but i was successful.......
linux has the ability to work with really odd combo's of hardware. the only place linux is lacking is on really really rare and expensive hardware that no kernel hacker's have access to. but try to get windows to run on something not x86 based, well, it can, but have fun with a windows CE or some ancient ass copy of nt 3.5 or 4 if your lucky. or that uber lame embedded xp

rant off
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Calum on 13 May 2003, 14:11: why did you change from "choas" to "chaos"? you lose your individuality that way.
and what happened to the choas OS distribution by the way?

edit: it should be called ChaOS - huh huh!

[ May 13, 2003: Message edited by: Calum: hopelessly outnumbered ]
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: baggab on 17 May 2003, 00:29: I must have missed Calum's original thread when I posted my previous remark.

OSS is like a tidal wave, M$ is like a sand castle.

most OSS users know why there are hardware issues: lack of financial incentive on the part of third party vendors.

My flavor of the week: two MSI mother boards (1 is a MS-6309, 2 is a K7T266 Pro2) with on board, Crystal Fusion sound cards. 1 works 2 does not with RH 8.0, I have not tried to tweak these as I have "bigger fish to fry."
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: spencerpi on 18 May 2003, 21:46: quote:
Of course there are hardware issues. I've had such myself as well. However, I don't believe anyone can blaim the Linux vendors for that.

Maybe, maybe not. It's easy for Linux of course if it can't be blamed for anything eh ?

I installed Mandrake 9.1 last evening but it does not support my Hercules 3D Prophet 4500. I have searched and searched and all I find in forums and sites is "it is not supported".

I haven't tried my cd rom, cd writer, soundcard, scanner and digital camera yet. I don't know if I will since something as elementary as a video card isn't supported.

Linux being able to run on umpteen different platforms is all good and well but no support for your video card kind of takes away the fun and the will to dig deeper into it.

Does anyone have a clue ? Otherwise it's back to W2K. It may suck but at least i can run it in the resolution of my choice.
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: LordWiccara on 18 May 2003, 22:13: try installing Red Hat...i think it has the drive preloaded, they had my hercules and a bunch of others

this is on my old P233MMM with Red Hat 7.1

[ May 18, 2003: Message edited by: ArmTheHomeless ]
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: spencerpi on 18 May 2003, 22:49: "Try this" or "try that" are not useful answers.

Others ?
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Faust on 19 May 2003, 03:54: This just in - Faust searches the fucking web, finds this at spot 6 on the google search:

quote:

News Todd writes "Allegedly beginners have trouble with installing the Kyro 2 Linux drivers, that's why someone made a tool that should help. Read the description at Sourceforge: "With this tool an automatic script file is produced, which makes the installation of Kyro for II possible drivers on simplest wise."

The tool can be found on Sourceforge at http://sourceforge.net/projects/kyro2insttool/" (http://sourceforge.net/projects/kyro2insttool/)

quote:

I had no problems setting up my Hercules 3D Prophet 4500 (a KYRO II based card) using the GENERIC-VESA driver. It would quite easily hit 1200x1024 at 16bits, although I did find it to be a little sluggish..

Possibly you should learn how to use this tool (http://www.google.com) properly - it will help a lot with getting to learn Linux. ;)
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Faust on 19 May 2003, 04:13: Oh and look at this one (this is old news btw, they're probably finished by now.)-

quote:

News LinuxGames.com is reporting that "in an interview (German) with deferred Power at CeBIT, Imagination Technologies' David Harold stated that Linux drivers for their Kyro II chipset are in development." Great news for all of you Hercules 3D Prophet 4500 owners and great news for the rest of us. When new companies are finally realizing that providing Linux drivers is important, we're finally getting somewhere.

:eek:

Ok heres the deal-
You go to "www.google.com" by "typing" "www.google.com" into the little white bar into the top of your internet browser. (Note - your internet browser must be open for this to work.) Then, you'll notice the "page" your on changes to show "google." If it doesn't you should be connected to the internet first. Then in the "search" bar you type the name of the card in quotation marks eg: "Hercules 3D Prophet 4500" and then you write "+linux" after that one. Then click the "search" button and stop wasting other peoples time. :D (http://tongue.gif) ;)

[ May 18, 2003: Message edited by: Faust ]
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Faust on 19 May 2003, 04:23: Oh and
quote:
"Try this" or "try that" are not useful answers.

Why dont you not dismiss other peoples answers when it's obvious from his post that he has found a driver somewhere? If he got a driver in red hat 7 then there will be a driver in other distributions, that's pretty obvious now isn't it?
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: spencerpi on 20 May 2003, 02:56: Thank you Faust. I do know what Google is so no need to act all superior.

If you cared to look beyond what your precious Google produces in results and actually *read* what the sites say then you wouldn't have posted these url's here because what can be found there does not work.

The Sourceforge url will have support for Mandrake 9.1 starting from version 0.5.5. The latest available is 0.5.2.

I could insert a dodgy comment here about elementary school, where you learn to read but then ... I'm passed that age.

How old are you anyway ?
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: emh on 20 May 2003, 08:46: You could also just get another video card.

And don't just assume none of your other hardware will work just because you had the bad luck of having one of the few video cards out there that happens not to work with Linux out of the box.

[ May 20, 2003: Message edited by: emh ]
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Pantso on 20 May 2003, 16:05: quote:
Originally posted by M505:
Well, I would be grateful if I got help, so far I got nothing working.

Buying a new videocard ? Give me a break, it works fine under another OS. What else ? Get a new processor, new scanner, throw away my digital camera ? No thanks, I'm keeping what I have.

Calling someone who needs help an asshole is *really* mature. Thanks for that. Makes the introduction into the world of Linux so much nicer.

You people have steered off topic a lot. M505 check those sites in my sig. We'd be really happy to help you. ;)

Closing this..
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Calum on 27 May 2003, 21:10: quote:
Originally posted by M505:
"Try this" or "try that" are not useful answers.

Others ?

i am sorry, this epitomises idiocy.

person one asks question: how can i...?
person two answers: well, you could try...

now there are two ways the discussion could now go, here's the first one -

person one: thanks, i will try those
...(later on that same day)...
person one: thanks for those suggestions, one/all/none of them worked for me

OR here's the second one:
person one: how dare you tell me to try something? i asked a question and i have a right to an answer! your answer is not good enough you open source slime, now can anybody give me a better answer because i am much better than anyone here and i deserve to be handed the worlds riches on a plate. hurry up, i'm getting impatient.

Now for those of you who are a little slow on the uptake, this:

quote:
Originally posted by M505:
"Try this" or "try that" are not useful answers.

Others ?

is an example of the second scenario.
It's fairly obvious to me that there are a lot of complete arseholes in the world. It is also completely obvious to me that there is a lot of overpopulation and overcrowding in the world. Put two and to together and you might figure out what i think we should do with all the arseholes (hint, it involves the atlantic and no lifebelts).
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: suselinux on 27 May 2003, 22:27: If I ask a question I want as much feed back as I can get

"Try this or try that" would be equal to "do this or do that" as far as I'm concerned.

I don't care how I get it I just want the info.

If I can't use your info one app I might try those same directions on another.

Thats the fun thing about Linux, there is always something new to TRY and get working

using the app is only half the fun

A true Linux user can't disagree with that.
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Calum on 27 May 2003, 22:29: as much feedback as you can get is right.
so how come when some feedback is offered, this imbecile spits it out in the face of the person who offers it? I for one am not willing to put forth any more information or help for a spoilt brat like that, and i am sure a lot of people feel the same.

If somebody is this insulting about their ungratefulness for help freely given, they can not expect anyone else to attempt to help them in future.
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Zombie9920 on 28 May 2003, 00:16: quote:
Originally posted by M. O'Brien:
Plus, Linux STILL supports ISA cards. MS stopped doing that with XP.

I think that gives linux a HUGE edge in peripheral support.

BS.

One of my AMD systems has a Soyo K7VTA Pro motherboard which happens to have 1 ISA slot. I have XP installed on that computer. Well, after seeing your claim I took it upon myself to test some old ISA sound cards, video cards, modems and NIC's that I have laying around here just to see wether the ISA cards worked in XP or not.

The results.....well, every single one of the cards I tested worked just fine in XP.
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Refalm on 28 May 2003, 00:29: Zombie9920 is right... I used to have an ISA 10 mbits networkcard. Windows XP automaticly detected it.
If Windows XP wasn't able to detect your ISA networkcard, where else would they send your personal information through?
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: spencerpi on 28 May 2003, 15:53: As long as I moderate this forum, I won't allow personal insults towards any member, let alone Calum who is by far the most respectable member here. I deleted your last post and I won't hesitate to delete any other post of yours with the same content. Now, if you have something useful to say, say it or else don't bother coming to these forums.

[ May 28, 2003: Message edited by: Panos ]
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Pantso on 28 May 2003, 16:05: ^
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Faust on 28 May 2003, 19:43: Hmm just saw your reply to my advice m505. Strangely enough I do not have the time to read in detail pages of information about a video card I have never and will never use, especially when the user of that videocard is a:rude and b (http://tongue.gif) resumptious. If you wanted me to think that you knew what google was then when you posted the thread you should have said blah blah "i have looked at site x, site y, tried g, didn't work, any other suggestions?" instead of "hey doesn't work, dont tell me to try anything." Oh and a TIA wouldnt hurt either.
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Calum on 28 May 2003, 22:39: panos, what did that fuckass say and should i stop posting here again after only a day back?

christ this site is becoming a haven for the babies of the windows world. i'd almost rather hang out at windowsbbs.com
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Pantso on 28 May 2003, 22:46: quote:
Originally posted by Calum:
panos, what did that fuckass say and should i stop posting here again after only a day back?

christ this site is becoming a haven for the babies of the windows world. i'd almost rather hang out at windowsbbs.com

He wrote something like:

"Oh, this topic had been closed and now the almighty Calum, opened it up again to.. I don't exactly remember" but he was being extremely sarcastic. Oh, and at the end he wrote something like "Dude, you need to get out more" and stuff like that. I considered this to be nothing more than a pure insult so I first deleted his post and then he posted the same one which I edited.

Oh and NO, you shouldn't stop posting here IMO. ;)
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: spencerpi on 29 May 2003, 02:12: Get lost arsehole. It will take much much more than your brain dead comments to put us off. :D And by the way, we know about the world out there. In fact we happen to know more than you ever will.

PS: Here is a nice link for (l)users like yourself. (http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html) ;)

PS1:
If you want to read what was posted here, check the screenshot. (http://www.promote-opensource.org/myimages/m505.jpg)

[ May 28, 2003: Message edited by: Panos ]
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: spencerpi on 29 May 2003, 11:48: If you are looking for a reason why Linux is not making it on the desktop, look in the mirror. It is because of rude, obnoxious people like you.

You should embrace everyone who is new to Linux and help them out, instead of scaring them away with your superior
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Faust on 29 May 2003, 13:00: Your very first post was sarcastic and annoying. You asked for help, and when a fellow new user offered some advice you told him it was useless, when in reality it was good advice. Then I, albeit rudely, offered some advice and links. Your original post had given the impression that you had not seen them. And on top of that how dare you insult Panos and Calum when these are probably two of the most helpful people here? Newbies are fine, we were all there once - it's trolls like you who get annoying.
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Calum on 29 May 2003, 13:29: quote:
Originally posted by M505:
If you are looking for a reason why Linux is not making it on the desktop, look in the mirror. It is because of rude, obnoxious people like you.

You should embrace everyone who is new to Linux and help them out, instead of scaring them away with your superior
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: spencerpi on 30 May 2003, 00:50: Do you guys have a secret handshake ?
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: xyle_one on 30 May 2003, 01:36: quote:
Originally posted by M505:
Do you guys have a secret handshake ?

yes :confused:

you couldn't get your vid card to work, asked for help, help was offered, but it wasnt "good" enough for you, so you through a fit? then insult Calum & Panos? you suck at the internet.[/disgusted]
(http://www.ecsyle.com/pictures/smillee.jpg)
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Pantso on 30 May 2003, 03:07: quote:
Originally posted by M505:
Do you guys have a secret handshake ?

No, we don't as you propably have seen from other posts. We do not however appreciate any kind of arrogant behavior.

Firstly, when you want to ask something please make sure first that you provide as much information as possible about your problem.

Secondly, make sure that you have searched for an answer to your problem on Google or any other search engine.

Thirdly, keep in mind that I and others included are not getting paid for any answers we may give you or anyone else. We only do it because we were in the same, if not a worse, position sometime in the past and would like to help as many people as possible.

I really can't understand what triggered such an angry response from you but we did offer to help you know and we will as long as you make it easier on us. ;)
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Doctor V on 11 June 2003, 18:42: Nope, no, today I am very frusterated and all because of M$. I tried to put windows 2000 onto a fairly new computer at work. Gonna make the thing a dual boot. I put win2K on there but it wouldn't detect the network card, and the video was all fucked up, and couldn't be adjusted. I looked but couldn't find the CD that came with the machine. But I knew it came with XP pro, so I decided to just go ahead and put that on. But it didn't fucking work. Would not detect the network card. Piece of shit. I tried putting redhat on it, worked like a charm.

The moral of the story.
Windows's superior hardware support is an absolute myth!
If you compare windows preinstalls to Linux non-preinstalls...duhhhhhh of course then windows will win out. But if you take a normal install CD of Windows -any version, and one of Linux, LINUX will win.

So I admit, from a hardware support point of view, Windows still sucks!

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Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: spencerpi on 12 June 2003, 01:40: You're right, Windows sucks hardware wise because the one pc you tried it on didn't work.

That makes sense indeed. :rolleyes:
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: xyle_one on 12 June 2003, 02:02: quote:
Originally posted by M505:
You're right, Windows sucks hardware wise because the one pc you tried it on didn't work.

That makes sense indeed. :rolleyes:

YES. i installed windows 2000 on a machine here at work. i had to manually install alot of drivers just to get it going. it couldn't detect the network card. annoying. redhat8, and 9, did detect everything, and everything works fine. yes, redhat8 & 9 are newer than 2000. so that argument is stupid. windows xp picked up all the hardware in my machine. windows 2000 is three years old. and if you are dealing with "new" hardware, then you are going to have issues. i'm all for talking shit about windows, but at least use your head. the driver database in 2000 is old. the driver database in xp is new. xp will detect & install more current hardware than 2000. the same with redhat9.
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Doctor V on 12 June 2003, 03:21: XP didn't detect, Red Hat did. I think Red Hat has better hardware support than XP. XP is the newest windows, and the machine had a -made for windows XP- sticker on it. People always say windows has better hardware support than Linux. I disagree, in my experience windows only has good hardware support if its preinstalled. So if you want, we can go ahead and compare windows preinstalls to Linux preinstalls. Linux supports all the new hardware except winmodems, which are modems where software is used to replace hardware components.

At least read posts before trying to tear them down. XP didn't woirk either. And go ahead and tell me what conditions we should use for comapring hardware support then. Are we only supposed to use a Linux that was released before XP was for campairison? That wouldn't be a level playing field now would it. Linux has better hardware support because newer versions are being released much more quickly that windows versions are.

M505, go to windows BBS you troll.
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: xyle_one on 12 June 2003, 03:24: quote:
Originally posted by Doctor V:
XP didn't detect, Red Hat did. I think Red Hat has better hardware support than XP. XP is the newest windows, and the machine had a -made for windows XP- sticker on it. People always say windows has better hardware support than Linux. I disagree, in my experience windows only has good hardware support if its preinstalled. So if you want, we can go ahead and compare windows preinstalls to Linux preinstalls. Linux supports all the new hardware except winmodems, which are modems where software is used to replace hardware components.

At least read posts before trying to tear them down. XP didn't woirk either. And go ahead and tell me what conditions we should use for comapring hardware support then. Are we only supposed to use a Linux that was released before XP was for campairison? That wouldn't be a level playing field now would it. Linux has better hardware support because newer versions are being released much more quickly that windows versions are.

M505, go to windows BBS you troll.

nice. then windows does suck compared to linux. it is easy to talk shit about a 3 year old os (win2k) against new distros. it is a relief to hear that xp doesnt stack up to linux in the hardware department. i was getting worried ;)
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: emh on 12 June 2003, 03:56: quote:
Originally posted by M505:
You're right, Windows sucks hardware wise because the one pc you tried it on didn't work.

That makes sense indeed. :rolleyes:

Well, you're saying Linux sucks because it didn't work with one particular video card. I don't see the difference between that statement and Doctor V's statement.

[changing subject]
I will assure you, the problem of an unsupported video card is extremely rare in Linux. Virtually any other video card that works in your computer will work in Linux, and give you the functionality you need.
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Calum on 12 June 2003, 15:36: the difference is that if a card doesn't work in windows, even though you installed the drivers and rebooted it's the fault of the card manufacturer, while if a card doesn't work in linux, even though you didn't install any drivers and haven't had to reboot, then it is entirely linux's fault.

this makes perfect sense, ask any windoid. try mo5d5o5summd5 or whatever his godsdamn name is.
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: blackphiber on 13 June 2003, 05:56: Calum, everyone knows your right, so don't worry about it. I must be one of the lucky ones, everyone seems to be saying new stuff will not work in Linux, well I got myself a nifty new printer (it's @ my dads house so don't ask for the model # is some HP photosmart) just came out, I set it up and it worked, Linux detected it. Of course HP said it would not work in Linux, stupid stupid people... The funny thing is I have like 2 printers each about 5 years old, neither of those worked. It's probably just luck. And no, I did not read the whole thread, I read enough though...
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: spencerpi on 13 June 2003, 16:01: You talk about free and your ip addresses are logged here.

Where's the sense in that ?
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: spencerpi on 13 June 2003, 16:02: And another thing : some html code was posted in the forums here which crashes IE.

It does crash IE indeed, why do you not implement it on this site ?

No sense in that either.
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Fett101 on 13 June 2003, 21:52: Because whan an MS user comes in here tired of MS, and is greeted with a crashed browser, he's likely to not come back to learn about Linux.
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Doctor V on 13 June 2003, 21:59: quote:
Originally posted by M505:
You talk about free and your ip addresses are logged here.

Where's the sense in that ?

quote:
Originally posted by M505:
And another thing : some html code was posted in the forums here which crashes IE.

It does crash IE indeed, why do you not implement it on this site ?

No sense in that either.

Why do you come here and post nonsense?

No sense in that.
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Calum on 14 June 2003, 02:20: this m505 loser really is grasping at straws. shame to be such a knobend, i suppose some people are used to simply talking shit in a loud voice to get what they want.
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Pantso on 14 June 2003, 05:22: quote:
You talk about free and your ip addresses are logged here.

Where's the sense in that ?

I never had a problem with that. After all, this is a UBB feature.

quote:
And another thing : some html code was posted in the forums here which crashes IE.

It does crash IE indeed, why do you not implement it on this site ?

No sense in that either.

I don't believe that HTML is allowed here and even if it were, then I would still not post it and scare people away.

That aside, your posts have lost every bit of coherence and you my friend have stopped making any sense.
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: TheQuirk on 14 June 2003, 23:03: quote:
Originally posted by M505:
You talk about free and your ip addresses are logged here.

Where's the sense in that ?

Gee, I wonder if you even thought that one up or just copied it from the feedback page on FMS!

If you actually used your little noodle to write such an angry message, feel free to read the first reply on this here page (http://fuckmicrosoft.com/feedback.shtml)--I belive it applies to you very well.

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Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Bazoukas on 15 June 2003, 01:27: No it does not suck when it comes to driver support..

I have everything working in my computer
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: Fett101 on 15 June 2003, 01:39: quote:
Originally posted by bazoukas:
No it does not suck when it comes to driver support..

I have everything working in my computer

Well... can't argue with that.
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: TheQuirk on 15 June 2003, 03:30: quote:
Originally posted by fett101:

Well... can't argue with that.

Quick! Say something bad about his mom before he notices!
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: BLauritson on 17 June 2003, 21:37: I only read your post in the thread you linked to there Calum, and from what I've read, it sounds like Linux is much better than Windows. You gave a good argument also (http://smile.gif) . I'm thinking of transferring to Linux, but I'm going to do some research beofre I make any quick decisions (http://smile.gif)
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: baggab on 4 July 2003, 04:17: Well, I'm out of the woods. Got my onboard sound card and my Geforce4 card working under RH 8.0. The sound card was harder (flaky documentation from VIA.) I wouldn't have figured it out with out help from my local LUG.

When I downloaded the 52 page readme from Nvidia I took a two week break, but it wasn't necessary. I got it working in an hour.

One more brick in the Linux castle!

[ July 03, 2003: Message edited by: baggab ]
Title: You have to admit that, from a hardware support point of view, Linux still sucks.
Post by: mushrooomprince on 6 July 2003, 17:06: Sometimes i wonder if these people have any idea how many different flavors of Linux there are. I've looked at a lot of distrobutions and there must be hundreds, literally hundreds of flavors of Linux.

And a lot of them are pretty good.