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Operating Systems => macOS => Topic started by: billy_gates on 20 March 2003, 05:13
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Bad news, Al Gore (yes the loser wannabe vice president) was just elected onto Apple's board of directors. I hope he doesn't do anything stupid by being himself. We shall see, I may be stuck with Windows if he pushes the conservatives away.
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Al Gore is cool.
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I don't know if I can take all these liberals at this site.
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I dont see anything wrong with al gore, except he doesn't really innovate much. (except the internet- :D )
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Here's Gore's actual quote about the internet:
During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.
Nowhere did he say he "invented" the internet. It is a lie.
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yes the loser wannabe vice president
Actually he won; Dubya's forces stole the election though and now we have a president running the US who was never even elected.
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Originally posted by Linux User #5225982375:
Actually he won; Dubya's forces stole the election though and now we have a president running the US who was never even elected.
I CAN NOT TAKE THIS ANY LONGER!!!!
you 'socialists' said that i was showing my ignorance with supporting capitialism, now i must show you your ignorance in this subject. BUSH WON the election--get over it. i'm going to snap if one more person says he stole it. first of all, i know that gore recieved more 'popular' votes, which is a shame, but what counts, if you didn't already know this, is the Electoral votes. only the Elector college's votes really count.
ok, but gore would have won if he would have won florida, right? of course he would have, but the important thing is, HE DIDN'T WIN THAT STATE! after 3 or 4 media covered recounts--some started before the last one ended--bush still had more votes. Not to mention that the recount(s) was(were) only for the most liberal counties in FL. after about a total of 15 recounts, all of which showed bush winning, they stopped them--but you won't hear about that on your CNN.
Bush is the rightful president right now. i'm not saying that he is the best man for the job (actually, i don't know if there is any man good enough for this hellish 4 year term), but he is a hell of a lot better then gore!!!
gore is an ass. he has done nothing good for our country, and i hope he leaves the political life forever. him and clinton are both the bane of American politics
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I CAN NOT TAKE THIS ANY LONGER!!!!
What, the truth?
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you 'socialists' said that i was showing my ignorance with supporting capitialism, now i must show you your ignorance in this subject. BUSH WON the election--get over it.
No, I won't get over it, because it's a lie.
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ok, but gore would have won if he would have won florida, right? of course he would have, but the important thing is, HE DIDN'T WIN THAT STATE!
We'll never know, because Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris (who was co-chair of the Bush campaign in Florida and a close associate of Bush's brother) deliberately blocked careful checking of the list of felons, with the result that thousands of Black people who were not felons and were legally entitled to vote were blocked from voting.
Precisely how Bush's cronies stole the election is documented here:
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=122&row=1 (http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=122&row=1)
And here:
http://www.observer.co.uk/business/story/0,6903,409137,00.html (http://www.observer.co.uk/business/story/0,6903,409137,00.html)
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but you won't hear about that on your CNN.
I dont' watch CNN.
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Bush is the rightful president right now.
No
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he is a hell of a lot better then gore!!!
Just what is it about gore that you hate so much?
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gore is an ass. he has done nothing good for our country, and i hope he leaves the political life forever. him and clinton are both the bane of American politics
Ugh. Well, happily for you, he plans not to run again and is now part of the board of directors for Apple computer. (http://tongue.gif)
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im modern days, what the fuck is the electorial college for in modern days when the popular vote can be quickly tallied?? i say FUCK IT, LET THE PEOPLE VOTE. but too bad most people don't understand this. maybe instead of "no taxation without representation" should be changed to "no taxation with misrepresentation"
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Siplus: *Capitalist* you sure are venomous!!! Gore won the POPULAR vote, that means more people in America wanted Gore. Linux user hit it all on the head.
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Originally posted by Siplus: *Capitalist*:
I CAN NOT TAKE THIS ANY LONGER!!!!
you 'socialists' said that i was showing my ignorance with supporting capitialism, now i must show you your ignorance in this subject. BUSH WON the election--get over it. i'm going to snap if one more person says he stole it.
HE STOLE IT GO AWAY, YOU PIG
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first of all, i know that gore recieved more 'popular' votes, which is a shame, but what counts, if you didn't already know this, is the Electoral votes. only the Elector college's votes really count.
Who cares.
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ok, but gore would have won if he would have won florida, right? of course he would have, but the important thing is, HE DIDN'T WIN THAT STATE! after 3 or 4 media covered recounts--some started before the last one ended--bush still had more votes. Not to mention that the recount(s) was(were) only for the most liberal counties in FL. after about a total of 15 recounts, all of which showed bush winning, they stopped them--but you won't hear about that on your CNN.
Bush is the rightful president right now. i'm not saying that he is the best man for the job (actually, i don't know if there is any man good enough for this hellish 4 year term), but he is a hell of a lot better then gore!!!
gore is an ass. he has done nothing good for our country, and i hope he leaves the political life forever. him and clinton are both the bane of American politics
If you dont like Gore get off the net, he contibuted more to it then any other president of the USA.
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If you dont like Gore get off the net, he contibuted more to it then any other president of the USA.
Haha!
But seriously, the net is about free speech. I love how people can say whatever they want here.
I may disapprove of what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it.
--Voltaire
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Voltaire would kick all y'all's asses.
And so would Thomas Paine. Oh, wait. Both of them would be broke and in prision because they'd have been sued so many times by someone or another because to be outspoken and have an opinion against someone or something, means you'd better have a good lawyer, 'cos apparently they can now sue you for voicing your opinion.
Let's thank the Republicans for letting business get so big.
Let's thank the Demmies for backing up liberal movements in the legal system.
I say fuck 'em all. we should do away with political parties forever. George Washington warned against them, but NOBODY LISTENED. Well, we're fucked now.
I hate our government.
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The reason the "Eloctoral College" was created was 1) to make it easier to count everything. And 2) To allow the uneducated people's votes from counting. If we moved this rule to modern time, it would show the stupid people wanted Gore, and a mix of stupid and smart people wanted Bush, which there are less of.
Bush won Florida, whether most of the people there voted for him or not. He is the rightful president, he was smart enough to ride the electoral college for his own good. And yes, Gore is an idiot who had done nothing for our country, including the shit with Iraq.
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Originally posted by Billy Gates: Mac Comrade Captain:
The reason the "Eloctoral College" was created was 1) to make it easier to count everything. And 2) To allow the uneducated people's votes from counting. If we moved this rule to modern time, it would show the stupid people wanted Gore, and a mix of stupid and smart people wanted Bush, which there are less of.
Bush won Florida, whether most of the people there voted for him or not. He is the rightful president, he was smart enough to ride the electoral college for his own good. And yes, Gore is an idiot who had done nothing for our country, including the shit with Iraq.
ahh. so the minority of powerful men win again. too bad for us working class slaves. we are told our vote means something, that our voices would be heard. we have seen this proved wrong in 2000, and this whole iraqi war bullshit. i do not understand the logic behind a system that lets the guy who the majority of americans do not want in office, win the presidency. i mean, really, what kind of sense does that make. and i take offense to your comments about "the stupid people". in your eyes they might be dumb, but to some of them, you're a complete retard. you really cant label a group of people dumb because they didnt vote for the guy you did.
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Siplus: DICKHEAD
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my, Siplus: DICKHEAD, or whatever your name will be tomorrow, aren't we mature? i have not used any personal attacks (if i have, let me know...) in anything i have posted here. GROW UP!! remember Zombie? don't try to become as childish as he, it would be a shame
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The reason the "Eloctoral College" was created was 1) to make it easier to count everything. And 2) To allow the uneducated people's votes from counting. If we moved this rule to modern time, it would show the stupid people wanted Gore, and a mix of stupid and smart people wanted Bush, which there are less of.
i couldn't say it better myself!
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ahh. so the minority of powerful men win again. too bad for us working class slaves.
would you want someone with the same IQ as a rock to decide who lead you? i have noticed this many times that liberals/demorats ('c' left out intensionally) always resort to 'class warfare' to gain support. tsk tsk. your class is what you make it. if you are poor, it is probibly because of a decision you have made. my family right now is stuggling, because my dad just got a new job 120 miles away from home after a year and a half with nothing--all of this while my brother has been in college for the past 2 years. that puts a lot of stress on the income/budget of a family that used to be 4 (with 2 others living in the house). with all of this, i know that when i get out of college, i'm going to be very well off. YOU make your own lifestyle. i am aware of a few people that are poor for no reason, and i truly feel sorry for them, but most have done something to become 'that way'
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we are told our vote means something, that our voices would be heard. we have seen this proved wrong in 2000, and this whole iraqi war bullshit.
it is true, your vote does count. (i'm not sure the population of your state(or what state you live in), so lets say it's 20million) 1 vote out of 20million isn't much, though. your 'popular' vote decides who votes for whom in the electoral college. what iraq bullshit? everything that is being done in iraq i beleive should have happened months ago (probibly years ago/during the persian war, but i didn't really care about politics back then, seeing as how i wasn't even in school yet). if you have been blinded to see that nothing else can be done, then i pitty you. you obviously are not in touch with the world. i know you are going to say that about me, but truthfully, i do not care what the liberal European states have to say about it. i'm talking about the greater good.
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i do not understand the logic behind a system that lets the guy who the majority of americans do not want in office, win the presidency. i mean, really, what kind of sense does that make.
we can not possibly know what the majority of the US citizens wanted to be in office! what was the % of voter turnout? 30%, 40%? and on a side note--there was supposedly 97% voter turnout in Phily, and can you imagine that gore carried the state of Pa? hmm...wonder why.
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and i take offense to your comments about "the stupid people". in your eyes they might be dumb, but to some of them, you're a complete retard
i'm sorry if you take offence to me/anyone else saying that the majority of the united states is made up of COMPLETE AND UTTER MORONS (well, at least from what i've seen). in my eyes, someone (and for this sentence i'm talking at the high school level) who fails any class (of which there are a lot of, and it's usually not the teacher's fault), is most certainly stupid. If anyone considers me stupid, then they obviously do not know me. i am far from stupid, so i guess i'm one of those "powerful minorities" you speak of--and if that's the case, then cool.
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you really cant label a group of people dumb because they didnt vote for the guy you did.
i do not consider people stupid by who the vote for. it is their decision. that is--for all except everyone who voted for Gore. i will let this statement go for now, if you want me to explain myself i most certainly will
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ah! now we see some mudslinging, and for what? ZERO.
There's no difference in the "liberals" and the "conservatives". They're pointless labels slapped on cookie cutter clones. All they signify is who's gonna agree with who. Those buffoons in Washington couldn't decide what color socks to wear without finding out what the rest of their fuckwalker party is doing.
I, personally am sick of this being a "party-driven" government. It's childish, and it's conformist. Nobody has the courage to say "I BELIEVE IN SOMETHING"... they all hide behind party lines and fall in lock-step with their platform.
Cowards, all of them are fucking cowards. Anybody that supports the diluted sack of shit that is the 2-party system can lick my balls.
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Gore invented the moon.
See Futurama for details.
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hmm...i am going to lick no one's balls, mind you
and yes, there is a difference between liberals and conservatives. people who support the killing of innocent children at birth, and the people who are so ignorant to beleive that a disarmed pubilc is a safe public (think about it: is a criminal going to register his gun? could they not obtane a gun while law-abiding citizens are defenceless? remember--the police are not bound by the law to save you if you need help) are generally liberals.
i do not mean to "resort to mudslining," that will get us no where and i'm sorry if i have, which is somewhat the same thing as what is happening when i try to speak kindly
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I, personally am sick of this being a "party-driven" government. It's childish, and it's conformist. Nobody has the courage to say "I BELIEVE IN SOMETHING"... they all hide behind party lines and fall in lock-step with their platform.
Cowards, all of them are fucking cowards. Anybody that supports the diluted sack of shit that is the 2-party system can lick my balls.
word.
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I agree with above comment.
For the record, I'm neither a democrat or a republican. I'm also neither a "liberal" or a "conservative" since I don't subscribe to such a binary system of labelling. People who vote for someone "because he's a republican" or "because he's a democrat" are morons. Basically I'm afraid in 2004 neither candidate will be worth voting for. I sure as hell ain't voting for Bush, and none of the Democratic candidates look good eaither. Joe Lieberman will probably get nominated, and if that happens I'll puke. He's so pious it pisses me off, and he'd like to censor video games and movies because it conflicts with his "christian" mind (I suppose he chooses to ignore all the violence, sadism, and carnage that the Bible has in it though) And voting for Ralph Nader is rather pointless, since he gets about 3 percent of the votes.
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and yes, there is a difference between liberals and conservatives. people who support the killing of innocent children at birth, and the people who are so ignorant to beleive that a disarmed pubilc is a safe public (think about it: is a criminal going to register his gun? could they not obtane a gun while law-abiding citizens are defenceless? remember--the police are not bound by the law to save you if you need help) are generally liberals.
Um, I support abortion rights, but I think abortion should be avoided if possible. I don't advocate killing children at birth -- that's not even what abortion is, in case you didn't know. Maybe other people do indirectly advocate this though, the morons who are opposed to responsible planned parenting because they think "every sperm is sacred", which, in very poor countries causes devastating effects which *do* end up with millions of children dying just after they are born, along with their mothers. Fuck the Pope. He's as evil as Saddam.
As for gun control, I don't want to "disarm the public." I own two glocks, a shotgun, and two .22 rifles myself. ;) What I do want is some stricter controls on things like gun shows that let criminals and shady people buy guns with little or no registration. I also think that people need some goddamned training before they can buy a gun.
By the way, why are liberals called "liberals"? And for that matter why are conservatives called "conservatives"? If all being conservative means is you want to keep the values of your forefathers, then shouldn't they all be for segragation or something? (actually according to Strom Thurmond and Trent Lott, yes (http://tongue.gif) )
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People who vote for someone "because he's a republican" or "because he's a democrat" are morons
i agree. people should know the canidate they are voting for, and what s/he believes and promises to do (but campain promises are a joke...)
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I don't advocate killing children at birth -- that's not even what abortion is, in case you didn't know
oh, i'm sorry, i guess i ment sucking the brains of the child out through a straw seconds before it is completely born. sorry for the misunderstanding
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Fuck the Pope. He's as evil as Saddam.
uh, no. how can you possibly think the pope is evil? just wondering
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As for gun control, I don't want to "disarm the public." I own two glocks, a shotgun, and two .22 rifles myself.
good. everyone should have at least a gun or two. i myself have a few. a shotgun and rifle for hunting, and a pistol i'll get when i graduate from hs
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What I do want is some stricter controls on things like gun shows that let criminals and shady people buy guns with little or no registration
while want to agree with you on this, i don't. any registration is bad, because eventually the government will demand you turn in all of your guns, like what happened in Australia and UK.
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I also think that people need some goddamned training before they can buy a gun.
i agree.
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By the way, why are liberals called "liberals"? And for that matter why are conservatives called "conservatives"?
i don't know
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If all being conservative means is you want to keep the values of your forefathers, then shouldn't they all be for segragation or something?
we should all be progressive, we have a changing world and Segragation is a horrible thing
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oh, i'm sorry, i guess i ment sucking the brains of the child out through a straw seconds before it is completely born. sorry for the misunderstanding
Damn! I hate this common error! Guys, when an abortion happens, doctors dont shove vacuum tubes up you and suck out a bleeding, screaming baby! What they do is extract a usually MICROSCOPIC embryo! Infact, babies are usually aborted even before their cells assume organ roles!
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uh, no. how can you possibly think the pope is evil? just wondering
Because he advocates a retarded docterine that ends up hurting thousands of people. WHY cant the preists marry? What part in the bible says "Thou shalt not love?" (I want a quote from the bible that says no marriage and I want it now!) WHY cant you use a condom? Overpopulation wouldn't be such an enormous problem if it weren't for the catholic missionaries telling 3rd world countries that they'll burn if they put rubber things on their penis. Its complete ritualistic crap and it hurts ALOT of people. I'm sure you'd change your tune if a preist had screwed you when you were 10.
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and yes, there is a difference between liberals and conservatives. people who support the killing of innocent children at birth, and the people who are so ignorant to beleive that a disarmed pubilc is a safe public (think about it: is a criminal going to register his gun? could they not obtane a gun while law-abiding citizens are defenceless? remember--the police are not bound by the law to save you if you need help) are generally liberals.
Just like how all conservatives are rich through unscrupulous methods and are so radical they beleive fags caused 9/11? And who want church and state to be merged? :D
Just kidding, not all republicans are like that. But thats what happens when you stereotype.
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while want to agree with you on this, i don't. any registration is bad, because eventually the government will demand you turn in all of your guns, like what happened in Australia and UK.
You've committed the fallacy of the "slippery-slope" argument.
http://www.garlikov.com/philosophy/slope.htm (http://www.garlikov.com/philosophy/slope.htm)
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oh, i'm sorry, i guess i ment sucking the brains of the child out through a straw seconds before it is completely born. sorry for the misunderstanding
There's quite a difference, spin-doctor. ;)
If you're talking about partial-birth abortion, that's almost always done when there's a grave risk to the mother's health. In these cases the fetus is usually brain dead anyway, due to deformaties. If it isn't, anesthesia is administered. Only a cruel person would advocate allowing the birth to take place when the mother's life is in danger.
By the way, I think partial birth abortions are wrong except in this circumstance.
I also find it strange that you care so much about the lives of fetuses yet you see nothing wrong with blowing a deer's brains out.
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uh, no. how can you possibly think the pope is evil? just wondering
The Pope promotes an unhealthy view of sex and tells society to commit suicide by having large families. He's responsible for millions of deaths worldwide. Also, the Church's bizarre views on sex ban priests from having a normal sex life, hence it is a magnet for pedophiles.
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Siplus you say that people who voted for gore were dumb as a rock, well the only reason bush got alot of his votes was because people wanted to keep their guns and they thought that gore would do away with all guns owned by a citizen in four years. now who do you think is dumb as a rock.
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Siplus you say that people who voted for gore were dumb as a rock, well the only reason bush got alot of his votes was because people wanted to keep their guns and they thought that gore would do away with all guns owned by a citizen in four years.
i brought up the gun issue to make a point. there are many other reasons that bush got votes--not just so we can keep our guns
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Just like how all conservatives are rich through unscrupulous methods and are so radical they beleive fags caused 9/11? And who want church and state to be merged?
Just kidding, not all republicans are like that. But thats what happens when you stereotype.
ya, stereotyping is bad, but it loses leverage when the person your trying to make a point to has never come across a conservative like that. ever.
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Only a cruel person would advocate allowing the birth to take place when the mother's life is in danger.
actually, i believe that the church would respond like this, which i agree with: the mother has already lived much of her life, the baby has not. the baby has done nothing, and yet you would advocate killing it? it sounds like killing the innocent baby is more cruel then letting the mother die (now i agree, both situations are bad)
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I also find it strange that you care so much about the lives of fetuses yet you see nothing wrong with blowing a deer's brains out.
ok, lets see: humans, and yes, a human fetus is still a human being, are an intelligent life form (well, most of us). deer, are not. deer are souless, and it is easy to manage a population of deer. and that's one thing: hunting deer helps control the population. in gettysburg (which i live near), the whitetail deer population has gotten out of hand, so they permitted archery hunting to keep the population down. we have dominion over animals. don't tell me your a member of PETA or something...gees
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I'm sure you'd change your tune if a preist had screwed you when you were 10.
you know what? your right. and i thank god everyday that my preist is a respectable man
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ok, lets see: humans, and yes, a human fetus is still a human being, are an intelligent life form (well, most of us). deer, are not. deer are souless, and it is easy to manage a population of deer.
I'm firmly convinced that humans have just as much of a "soul" as any other mammal.
Oh, and deer are way more intelligent than any fetus.
No, I'm not a member of PETA. But I sympathize with their position somewhat.
By the way, would you find it ethical to "manage" a population of people by killing them off? And besides, where I live there aren't a lot of deer at all, and hunters always come on our land and try to kill them, despite the "NO HUNTING" signs posted everywhere. Bastards.
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actually, i believe that the church would respond like this, which i agree with: the mother has already lived much of her life, the baby has not. the baby has done nothing, and yet you would advocate killing it? it sounds like killing the innocent baby is more cruel then letting the mother die (now i agree, both situations are bad)
That's awful. What you're advocating would potentially be the death of both the mother and the fetus. And why do you put stock in what the church has to say about it anyway? Use your own head for a change.
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you know what? your right. and i thank god everyday that my preist is a respectable man
Do you thank god for the thousands of priests who are evil men? Why do people always thank god for good things but ignore all the evil shit in the world?
And I really would like to know what's so "unholy" about having sex? Why can't priests have normal sex lives! It's totally silly, and dangerous as I said earlier as it attracts pedophiles.
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Oh, and deer are way more intelligent than any fetus.
uh, ya. the average deer that i would kill (which i just got my first buck this last december) is a few years old (probibly about 3). the fetus is young, and s/he doesn't know anything yet. the fetus will grow up, god willing, and become a member of society. the deer will die if their population is not managed because of the food supply (ever take a bio class?)
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No, I'm not a member of PETA.
good
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But I sympathize with their position somewhat.
well, none of us are perfect (http://smile.gif)
(j/k)
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And why do you put stock in what the church has to say about it anyway? Use your own head for a change.
well, as i said "which i agree with:"
i DO use my head. i think about everything, and i often change some of my ideals--but this isn't often, and it usually strengthens my conservative views
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Do you thank god for the thousands of priests who are evil men?
why the hell would i thank god for allowing evil men to become preists? i hope that there will be no more, but this is unrealistic
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Why do people always thank god for good things but ignore all the evil shit in the world?
uh, because we are thankful for the good. and what makes you think people ignore all bad things that happen? i assure you i try to keep mindful of worldly events, but keeping up with all of them is impossible
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And I really would like to know what's so "unholy" about having sex?
i didn't know sex was unholy
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Why can't priests have normal sex lives!
when preists receive the sacrament "Holy Orders", they are committing themselves to god, as a husband would commit themselves to his wife. the counterpart of Holy Orders is the sacrament Mattramony
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It's totally silly, and dangerous as I said earlier as it attracts pedophiles.
sadly yes. i guess some men are just plain evil, and these should be sorted out before they become preists
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when preists receive the sacrament "Holy Orders", they are committing themselves to god, as a husband would commit themselves to his wife. the counterpart of Holy Orders is the sacrament Mattramony
Does this mean they marry God? :D
Sorry, any religion where you have to give up sex to be a member of its priesthood is downright anti-human, not to mention unrealistic. People must get sex somehow, after all it's an integral part of being human. Priests either masturbate or molest. Sometimes both.
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i didn't know sex was unholy
Then why must holy men avoid sex at all costs???
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Then why must holy men avoid sex at all costs???
you know, i'm really not sure. goto a church sometime and ask a priest
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ya, stereotyping is bad, but it loses leverage when the person your trying to make a point to has never come across a conservative like that. ever.
Where do you live? Come to Louisiana and you'll see.
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nah, i like it here, up in Pa
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ya, stereotyping is bad
Then I'd s'pose you wouldn't like this song:
I'm a conservative!
Oh, I'm a Republican
I got a small schling
I like to bomb niggahs
and make a lot o' bling
I got a bunch o' friends
in high up places
They helps me get dem
government graces.
You think I'm smart
I just know who's who
I couldn't run a fruit stand
without the red white & blue
I'll drop some crap
about Jesus the Christ
You'll buy it all
and vote for me twice
'Fact, Jesus is comin'!
Real soon, now!
So we gotta prop up Israel
That ol' sacred cow
Don't need no history
Don't need no schoolin'
I got my ideology
To keep me a shootin'
Liberals! Faggots!
Commies and queers!
Socialist hippies
Full o' pussy tears
Propaganda's m'friend
But I calls it "fact"
Even though I don't read
'Cept for Chick tracts
Facts? No! Don't need em here!
We're conservatives! We work on FEAR!
Don't like what we say?
Well FUCK YOU, bud!
We'll shove it down yer throat
and tell ya it's good!
;)
no offense intended!
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no offense intended!
ok, i won't take offense to it
btw, where did you find that and the on in the lounge? did you make them, or find them?
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Yah, I think I posted it somewhere in the lounge, originally got it from a troll on slashdot.org. Hehe.
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back to the point:
my only grief with al gore is his wife tipper.
i was around when she started the PMRC.
this was back in the 80's. im still pissed about it.
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I watched a documentary the other day called "Satanic Panic" which has told me that the cristians are fooked up.
Now i will go put on some of my satanic devilish music.
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just answer me this when is it right to abort the fetus? thats right you don't have an answer. the only time abortion should be allowed is early term for *serious* health problems, and early term for rape. the only execption for the whole thing would probably be incest/molestation, allowed to abort midterm or possibly later for obvoius reasons
the reason it feels good is so people will do it, hence more pregnancy's and more people to keep the population's going, if it hurt like hell and it didn't feel good and nothing in our heads was saying "you need to get laid", we wouldn't do it but that is a bit in depth look at it.
if you abort a pregnancy becuase of *YOU* or you can't live with it or you don't like the person you fucked to get pregnant etc etc, fuck you and please kill yourself like you killed your child, you are an arrogant asshole that is wasting space on this planet and you need to leave
as for the parents that demand an abortion for a pregnant teen, hehehe, maybe you should have aborted your daughter so you didn't have to deal with this problem......./*sarcasm*/
and for blowing the deer's brains out, read the fucking bible since you seem to like it soo much, eating the deer is alot of the reason why god put them here, god even made specific rules on what you are and arn't to eat.
as for what you are saying about the baby being braindead and it being better for it to not have to suffer, we call that euthanasia. you might want to read history on the 1930's in germany.
//Rant=off
//yeah, its probably incoherent and contridictory, buts thats what happens when something pisses me off
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This topic has gotten way out of hand. We have basically listed every single thing that the two parties want and don't want. I will just say, even though I am a republican, I believe in rights. People have the right to have an abortion if they want. People have the right to shoot deer if they want. People have the right to bear arms. People have the right to exploit uneducated people. Exploited people have the right to do what is in their power to get back at the exploiters. People have the right for probably cause being required before action has taken place. People have the right to have "peaceful" protests (which never happen). Although, the only place I think people don't have rights in are in prison. They have lost their rights, they can't handle their rights. That is my oppionion on all of this stuff.
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Billy Gates: Mac Comrade Captain, i agree with you in everything except this:
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People have the right to have an abortion if they want.
so you are saying it is someone's right to kill another human being? that's insane! the "fetus" didn't do anything wrong, and for no apparent reason, s/he will never live a life.
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just answer me this when is it right to abort the fetus? thats right you don't have an answer.
i'm not sure to who this is directed to, but i'd say NEVER.
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and for blowing the deer's brains out, read the fucking bible since you seem to like it soo much,
i don't like the bible. that's right, i'm a Catholic that doesn't hold any faith in the bible. i wont get into the reasons why unless someone wants to know. when i shot my deer, i didn't "blow it's brains out," i shot it in the shoulder-lung area, and it died in less then a minute.
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this thread is retarded. i'm tired of seeing it in the MAC OS section where it now has little relevance
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Originally posted by Windows XP Hater #2874586:
this thread is retarded. i'm tired of seeing it in the MAC OS section where it now has little relevance
just a quick question: how can a thread be retarded? it can't think, or gain knowledge. it is in the mac os section b/c of 2 reasons: it's where Billy Gates: Mac Comrade Captain put it, and the first post involved apple. we just kind of weened away from that into more general politics
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When it comes to abortion you have to choices. Ruin one unborn person's life, who is most likely still microscopic. or ruin 2 or 3 lives, the Kid, the Mom, and the Dad. not to mention all of the other people that have to pay for these people. Because they can't afford a house and medical bills and all the shit attached to a kid. Now if you wanted to, being a pro lifer, were to take this child that is most likely addicted to crack already into your house and pay for it, I have no problem with outlawing abortion. But you aint gonna take someone elses drug addicted kid into your own family.
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I don't understand how deer don't have souls but humans do. Do other animals have souls? And, if not, when in the course of evolution did man cease to be an animal and become a soul-bearing 'man'? Assuming, of course, you believe in evolution. And of course the more rational scientific theory you believe in the more difficult it is to swallow superstitious religious bullshit.
And once again, I wonder how can you not see how pathetic it is that you call yourself "pro-life" when you're out there ending the lives of deer for your own amusement.
I really do wonder why right wingers feel so offended by the idea of unborn lives being destroyed, when all they want to do to the living is brutalise and oppress them. Do people like Bush + you feel cheated out of the opportunity to make another poor bastard's life miserable everytime an abortion takes place?
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When it comes to abortion you have to choices. Ruin one unborn person's life, who is most likely still microscopic. or ruin 2 or 3 lives,
gees....do you know what you are saying?!? the choice: KILL an unborn human, end his or her life before they live it because of the actions of others, or make the lives of a few people less comfortable. to ME, that is not a hard choice, and it should NOT EVEN BE A CHOICE. murdering is illegal, so i don't know WHY abortion is allowed to begin with!! am i the only one here who thinks this is absurd!?
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not to mention all of the other people that have to pay for these people.
well i'm glad your starting to refer to the 'fetus' as a person now..that's a start. it is another human being, cost should have no bearing. if you can not be responcible enough to take care of the human you spawn, then you disearve the hardships that come with him/her.
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Because they can't afford a house and medical bills and all the shit attached to a kid.
well, then they should have thought of that before they went fucking!
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Now if you wanted to, being a pro lifer, were to take this child that is most likely addicted to crack already into your house and pay for it, I have no problem with outlawing abortion. But you aint gonna take someone elses drug addicted kid into your own family.
seeing as how i'm 15, that doesn't really seem possible.
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I don't understand how deer don't have souls but humans do.
seeing as how the 'soul' is a religous 'thing', no you obviously don't understand. whether you believe in god or not, you must admit that humans are superior to deer in a myriad of ways. if you don't have a religion, then this is what i'm refering to, or the closest thing i can corelate it to
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And, if not, when in the course of evolution did man cease to be an animal and become a soul-bearing 'man'?
IMO, when we were first able to out think all other animals, which would lead to the human origins, whether it be creationism or evolutionism
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Assuming, of course, you believe in evolution.
actually, i do. as i said, i don't hold much beleif in the bible, and i do not believe much of the Church's explainations of our origin. i have made my own beleifs on our origin, because i both beleive in evolution and creationism, although i believe more evolustion then creation because creationism is a little far fetched. i DO think that every species is evolving, but i think that everything started with god creating everything. for example, how would the 'evolutionism' theory explain the start of the universe explain how the universe "is"? no! it has even been found that for evolution to create everything found on earth, it would take 140,000 times longer then the earth has existed (i'm sorry, i have no link to any scientific study it what you need is proof of my claim).
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And of course the more rational scientific theory you believe in the more difficult it is to swallow superstitious religious bullshit.
i DO believe in a lot of scientific theory! i love sciencies--my favorite are (and in this order)
1) biology
2) Chemistry
3) astronomy
and i do well in every one of them. i love science. i'm probibly going into medical research, but i'm not sure yet (seeing as how i'm a sophomore, i think i have time to decide)
and can you beleive i'm still a christian? and that i still believe in most christian ideals? weird, eh?
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And once again, I wonder how can you not see how pathetic it is that you call yourself "pro-life" when you're out there ending the lives of deer for your own amusement.
hmm...well, wonder on. i'm am pro-life, when it comes to abortion. as was mentioned in another thread in the lounge, i am pro- capital punishment. frankly, the life of a deer is not important. if you show me any evidence of deer creating society and using crude inventions or inginuity, then i will except them as intelligent beings.
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I really do wonder why right wingers feel so offended by the idea of unborn lives being destroyed, when all they want to do to the living is brutalise and oppress them.
:confused: all i want to do is brutalise and oppress unborn humans? i do not understand this, please explain
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Do people like Bush + you feel cheated out of the opportunity to make another poor bastard's life miserable everytime an abortion takes place?
uh, no. i feel human society might have lost it's best member every time an abortion took place. what if your mother had an abortion with you? obviously you wouldn't be here talking to us, but how would that make you feel (again, that's kinda weird cause u'd be dead....just go along with it (http://smile.gif) ) and how do you know the aborted human would be a "poor bastard"??
it's amazing the ability you have to predict the lives of other humans. i wish i was as omnicient as you!! maybe i could win the lottery and i wouldn't have to worry about the 12-18 years of college i'm goign to have to pay for...
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IMO, when we were first able to out think all other animals, which would lead to the human origins, whether it be creationism or evolutionism
That still seems vague to me. Are you saying there was a specific point at which man 'gained' a soul? So at some point soul-less mothers started giving birth to men with souls? And presumably it would have been morally acceptable for the men with souls to kill those without?
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frankly, the life of a deer is not important. if you show me any evidence of deer creating society and using crude inventions or inginuity, then i will except them as intelligent beings.
Ok, so you believe that a creature's worth is based on its intelligence. Do you believe then that severely mentally handicapped children should be put down?
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all i want to do is brutalise and oppress unborn humans? i do not understand this, please explain
I said the *living* not the unborn.
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i feel human society might have lost it's best member every time an abortion took place.
Presumably then (particularly as you're a catholic) then you also think that contraception is wrong. Surely you must feel that women should spend their entire lives having as many children as they possibly can, as every year they go without having a child society may have missed out on gaining "its best member".
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what if your mother had an abortion with you?
Obviously I wouldn't care as I wouldn't exist.
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That still seems vague to me. Are you saying there was a specific point at which man 'gained' a soul? So at some point soul-less mothers started giving birth to men with souls? And presumably it would have been morally acceptable for the men with souls to kill those without?
if you beleive in creationism, then humans have always been more intelligent. if creationism, then i think that a 'human' as we know humans would have been the first to have original thought. at that point, then, i believe that we had become humans. when we became self-aware, we became important
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Ok, so you believe that a creature's worth is based on its intelligence
yes.
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Do you believe then that severely mentally handicapped children should be put down?
no.
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I said the *living* not the unborn
ok then, let me rephrase my question:
all i want to do is brutalise and oppress humans? i do not understand, please explain where i have indicated this
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Presumably then (particularly as you're a catholic) then you also think that contraception is wrong. Surely you must feel that women should spend their entire lives having as many children as they possibly can, as every year they go without having a child society may have missed out on gaining "its best member".
no. unpregnant women are not bearing children, so how could we as a society be "missing out" on a member of our society where no child exists? when one aborts, they are actually killing a human, by not bearing children, you are not killing anything
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Obviously I wouldn't care as I wouldn't exist.
obviously i mentioned that in my previous post...
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so you would rather have a child have its and its parents lives ruined and horrible. Living in poverty, hunger, pain, etc, etc. Instead of putting it out of its misery before its even visible by the naked eye?
do u believe that uethanasia is wrong (sorry for the horrible spelling, if you can't get the word think of Dr. Kavorkian) That people that are in pain and suffering should just suffer to their very last day? Do you believe in torture I guess is what I'm getting to. because it seems you do.
Also, should stupid parent's mistakes ruin the life of a kid? Thats wrong for stupid people to ruin other people's lives.
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Thats wrong for stupid people to ruin other people's lives.
you people still don't get it, do you? yes, it's horrible if your life sucks. it IS wrong for stupid people to ruin another's life, but it is WORCE to COMPLETELY REMOVE THEM FROM THE WORLD BY EXECUTING THEM!!!
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but they dont realize it... they never experianced the world. You KNOW you would rather have experianced NOTHING than to have experianced a world of horror/pain/death/hunger/sickness/cruelty. Dont lie.
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Originally posted by Siplus: *Capitalist*:
i do not consider people stupid by who the vote for. it is their decision. that is--for all except everyone who voted for Gore. i will let this statement go for now, if you want me to explain myself i most certainly will
How about NO scott.
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Originally posted by Windows XP Hater #2874586:
but they dont realize it... they never experianced the world. You KNOW you would rather have experianced NOTHING than to have experianced a world of horror/pain/death/hunger/sickness/cruelty. Dont lie.
I have to agree with this guy on this specific thing.
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actually, i believe that the church would respond like this, which i agree with: the mother has already lived much of her life, the baby has not. the baby has done nothing, and yet you would advocate killing it? it sounds like killing the innocent baby is more cruel then letting the mother die (now i agree, both situations are bad)
Here is how I see it. If the baby becomes a threat to the life of the mother, then, it is most definitely not "innocent". Indeed, it has become a dangerous intruder, no different than the assailant who kicks down her bedroom door in the middle of the night. It is her right to defend herself in either case. If it is not wrong to pull a pistol and splatter the assailant's brains all over the wall, then it is not wrong for her to save her life by aborting that baby.
So far as how "the church" would respond, I really don't care. If "the church" wants to make such rules for its members, then that's its business. If those members want to follow such rules, then that's their business. All I ask is the "the church" mind its own business and not attempt to make and enforce its rules on me.
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