Stop Microsoft
Operating Systems => macOS => Topic started by: Zombie9920 on 1 May 2003, 01:11
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http://www.fortune.com/fortune/technology/articles/0,15114,447333,00.html (http://www.fortune.com/fortune/technology/articles/0,15114,447333,00.html)
Quote from article,
Jobs, however, isn't targeting just Mac users. He plans to roll out a Windows version of iTunes by the end of the year. (Apple already sells a Windows-compatible version of the iPod, which accounts for about half of all units sold.) It is a dramatic departure for Steve, who has deliberately kept the Mac's best features off the screens of the much larger Microsoft-dominated world.
[ April 30, 2003: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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If Apple does port iTunes to Windows isn't that like a kick to the balls of Apple loyalists?
I mean shit, the Mac community is more loyal to the Mac platform than Apple is. Thats funny considering that Apple is the company who makes the Macs. ;P
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i had read somewhere that steve jobs had no intention of porting iTunes to windows. It was too important or something. i am going to go find that article.....
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Looking for a Senior Software Engineer to desing and build Apple's newest Consumer Application, iTunes for Windows....
but, if they want music store to be successful, they will need it on every platform. lets just hope they are also porting itunes to linux.
hiring- iTunes for windows (https://jobs.apple.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Employment.woa/33/wo/xB3EW5wZforB2ArNrjoiHZLJG2I/2.2.22.9.2.0.0.3)
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If it's true, I hope iTunes overtakes whatever crappy-ass media player Windows users use.
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They are going to charge the Windows users (they damn well better)...and I hope they charge the fuck out of them...
And Windows users are too cheap to buy windows half the time, let alone iTunes...or legally download music.
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It looks like Apple *IS* going to port iTunes to Windows(confirmed by a reliable source).
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2134150,00.html?rtag=zdnetukhompage (http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2134150,00.html?rtag=zdnetukhompage)
Sorry Linux users, it looks like you guys aren't getting a port of this. That isn't surprising...considering that Linux doesn't have any real mainstream apps from big mainstream software companies because of the lack of interest and the nonexistance of profits to be had in the open source world...ya know ;P. Besides, most Linux people are too cheap to pay for an OS or software so what would make them be willing to pay for music from an online service with closed source, propriarity software that will probably have to be bought too?
[ May 01, 2003: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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All this shows is that Apple is mature enough to not try and hoard the goodies. If Microsoft had made "mTunes" or whatever there would be no version on other platforms because Microsoft is the company that uses their patents on products to try and cripple the competition. Well done Jobs for not sinking to Gates' level!
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Originally posted by Faust:
All this shows is that Apple is mature enough to not try and hoard the goodies. If Microsoft had made "mTunes" or whatever there would be no version on other platforms because Microsoft is the company that uses their patents on products to try and cripple the competition. Well done Jobs for not sinking to Gates' level!
Oh, I'm sure Microsoft would make mTunes for the Mac if it existed(just like they do WMP, IE, Office, etc.). Neither MS or Apple port thier stuff to Linux. I guess there is just a lack of interest and worthwhileness(profits) in the free market.
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I think you mean there's a lack of stupidity in the "free market". Why would anyone smart enough to switch to GNU/Linux be stupid enough to install MS software?
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I like flaps post better.
Because it makes more sense.
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Steve Jobs said iTunes for Windows would be released by the end of the year. That's a long time to wait, but I think it will be worth it. I would love to be able to listen to a stream of my Mac at home from my PC at work through iTunes.
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Originally posted by flap:
I think you mean there's a lack of stupidity in the "free market". Why would anyone smart enough to switch to GNU/Linux be stupid enough to install MS software?
No, it is lack of interest in Linux. You made an analogy to why MS doesn't port thier software to Linux(which is an untrue analogy)...but how does that analogy explain why Adobe, Apple, etc. don't port thier software to Linux? Huh? Huh? Oh, perhaps maybe they know they will not make money from Open Source. Like in Adobes' case, they know people will not pay several hundred $$$ for software. No, one person may buy the software then that one person will just pass copies on to some friends who will pass more copies on to thier friends who will pass copies to thier friends and so forth and it will be perfectly legal for them to do so.
The 1 purchased copy of Photoshop may end up being used by hunders or thousands of people.
So Adobe makes the profit of one sold copy but 1000+ freeloaders reap the benefits of the software. That isn't very attractive to any company who wants to make $$$...now is it?
[ May 01, 2003: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Originally posted by Faust:
I like flaps post better.
Because it makes more sense.
Oh balogna. I'm sure that if there was a WMP, IE, MS Office, etc. for Linux there would be alot of Linux users installing the software.
Not every Linux user is a 100% anti-MS biggot like a handful of you full blown Linux/Unix geeks. :rolleyes:
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Umm, people pirate stuff on windows too dude. People pirate stuff on all platforms. Flaps point was that Microsoft software is crap. Which is true. Also he said Linux users a smart. Which is also true. Now smart people don't install crap software do they? If I wanted crap software I would use Windows, but I don't so I use Linux.
As people have said a million times, look at Red Hat for an example of profit in the Free world. And there is plenty of interest in the Free world Zombie, why else would you get lovely Linux sites popping up all over the place? ;)
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Originally posted by cocoamix:
Steve Jobs said iTunes for Windows would be released by the end of the year. That's a long time to wait, but I think it will be worth it. I would love to be able to listen to a stream of my Mac at home from my PC at work through iTunes.
I don't really understand what iTunes is about, but if you're just talking about streaming tracks from your Mac then there's no reason why you couldn't easily do that now with a web-server on the Mac and a copy of winamp on the PC.
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Oh balogna. I'm sure that if there was a WMP, IE, MS Office, etc. for Linux there would be alot of Linux users installing the software.
Sorry to disapoint you but:
Why would I install Windows Media Player? HELLO!!! WMP sucks! If it was _good_ I might install it, "Microsoft hatred" or not. Xine is better - always will be.
Yes I would install Internet Explorer... excuse me for a minute will I add this rider:ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!
:D :D :D
What kind of moron would voluntarily install Internet Explorer! I mean it's what, only the worst browser ever? Even a die hard Windows fanatic like you would have to admit that IE sucks cheese, and sucks cheese well. Come on, IE!
MS Office. Hmm. This one might actually get installed... IF it was faster, IF it wasn't so bloated and IF the paper clip was permanently removed and IF the "for kids" look was removed and IF I could be sure that everyone would be able to read my documents and IF I didnt have to upgrade the thing every year to keep on understanding other peoples documents.
Lets face it, Microsoft software sucks. The reason why they dont make Linux versions is because not enough Linux users would be stupid enough to use them!
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IF windows media player is so good then why does EVERYONE use winamp?
Oh and if IE is so good maybe you would like to click on some of the links around here... the ones that give you a free cup holder. :D
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Originally posted by Faust:
IF windows media player is so good then why does EVERYONE use winamp?
EVERYONE don't use Winamp. I used to use Winamp back in the day....but Windows Media Player 9 is so damn good that I won't ever go back to Winamp. The taskbar player, the interface, the full screen scroll off video controls, the Tru-Bassand WoW Effects on top of the equalizer, the ability to recover everything about the album of the song you are listening to(icluding album art), the ability to quickly, easily and reliably burn CD's from the media player(can burn from WMA, MP3, Wav and Ogg(with the appropriate plugin), the online music store(like iTunes), the visualizations support, the Plus Speaker Enhancements, etc. are more than enough for WMP to beat out Winamp hands down.
Look at the results from this poll.
http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?s=91ffefd9a363515bb889a729d8b88c17&act=ST&f=59&t=68519 (http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?s=91ffefd9a363515bb889a729d8b88c17&act=ST&f=59&t=68519)
It looks like there are more WMP users than Winamp users there. Am I surprised? No...not at all. Winamp is just primative(as is Mplayer, Xine, etc.).
[ May 01, 2003: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Oh, did I forget to mention that WMP 9 can burn CD's in Sonys' HighMAT CD filesystem? Not many media players or CD Burining apps(that I know of) can burn in HighMAT.
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EVERYONE don't use Winamp. I used to use Winamp back in the day....but Windows Media Player 9 is so damn good that I won't ever go back to Winamp. The taskbar player, the interface, the full screen scroll off video controls, the Tru-Bassand WoW Effects on top of the equalizer, the ability to recover everything about the album of the song you are listening to(icluding album art), the ability to quickly, easily and reliably burn CD's from the media player(can burn from WMA, MP3, Wav and Ogg(with the appropriate plugin), the online music store(like iTunes), the visualizations support, the Plus Speaker Enhancements, etc. are more than enough for WMP to beat out Winamp hands down.
This is why so much Microsoft software is shit. Microsoft and its users still don't get that a good piece of software should be a machete, not a swiss army knife. I use XMMS to listen to music because it can do the following:
Play sound files
(actually it can do a bit more than that but it's not an entire operating system like mediaplayer tries to be)
I use cdrecord to burn cds because it can burn cds. The reason why Mediaplayer is such an inelegant, bloated piece of crap is because it can do all that stuff you've just listed. Maybe in the next version WMP will have an entire SQL database engine built into it so you have something else to shout about, and so it takes another 10 minutes to start.
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Originally posted by flap:
This is why so much Microsoft software is shit. Microsoft and its users still don't get that a good piece of software should be a machete, not a swiss army knife. I use XMMS to listen to music because it can do the following:
Play sound files
(actually it can do a bit more than that but it's not an entire operating system like mediaplayer tries to be)
I use cdrecord to burn cds because it can burn cds. The reason why Mediaplayer is such an inelegant, bloated piece of crap is because it can do all that stuff you've just listed. Maybe in the next version WMP will have an entire SQL database engine built into it so you have something else to shout about, and so it takes another 10 minutes to start.
Some people like having a Swiss army knife. I'd rather install a 8.4 MB media player that can do it all than install a 2.5 MB media player to play Audio, a 6-10 MB media player to play video, a 3MB addon to the audio media player to give it visualization support, a 1MB addon to give the Audio player the ability to be minimized into the taskbar...if the media player has a taskbar plugin(the video player still won't have the taskbar capability), and so on.
A person saves time and hassle if he/she can do everything they want to do with one media player with out of the box capabilities to do it all.
If WMP is so bloated then why is it only 8.4MB for Windows XP? MusicMAtch is like 30MB, RealOne is like 16 or 17MB. WMP is not bloated. It is actually a pretty quick media player. If you really think that 8.4MB is blaoted you need to get off of the 2GB Hard drive/32MB of Ram computer.
8.4MB isn't shit on a 120GB hard drive and 768MB of RAM.
[ May 01, 2003: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Drugs. They are bad bad things.
The Sony whatever the heck brand of CD burning and the ogg burning are they only interesting features I can see. What is so good about high MAT? More space/faster? I can burn oggs in linux btw so unless this high MAT turns out to be really killer thing WMP still sucks.
Not to mention that you can have winamp open without losing 90% of your screen estate.
online music store - cough, P2P, cough, music CD better than downloads, cough, cough
the visualizations support - um, who would be sad enough to just sit there staring at swirling colors while listening to music? oh and xmms can do those "things" too btw, not that you would want it too
easily and reliably burn CD's from the media player - not many OS's dont support cd burning these days. CD burning isnt the defining glory that it used to be, get over it. can it record DVDs? I dont think so...
oh and speaker effects/wow enhancements suck. This actually isnt anti WMP, all software based equalizers cant handle distortless audio modification. what you want is a hardware amplifier, software amping is only useful for making el cheapo headphones get a louder (although horribly distorted) bass response, its the same in linux and windows, s/ware amping sucks.
oh and have you read the WMP9 EULA? The one that says you give MS the right to upload "revocation lists" to your computer? :D
Oh and I know winamp is crap for videos, thats why i dont use it. Also it wont run under linux but hey. Oh and Xine isnt primitive boyo, you've never used it anyway so how would you know?
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MusicMAtch is like 30MB, RealOne is like 16 or 17MB.
also music match is even crapper than WMP. which is of course saying a *LOT*.
realplayer... lets not go there.
is there any good windows movie player???
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Its not so much that the code is bloated (even if it is) it's that the interface is bloated with all the crap that it does. I mean really that is a butt ugly interface.
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Look at the results from this poll
The poll on the "neowin" pro MS website?
At fuckmicrosoft we dig the boot into Bill.
At pro MS sites like neowin they lick his arse.
What else but MS would win a poll on an MS forum?
Find an independent poll - that I'll believe.
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Originally posted by Faust:
Drugs. They are bad bad things.
The Sony whatever the heck brand of CD burning and the ogg burning are they only interesting features I can see. What is so good about high MAT? More space/faster? I can burn oggs in linux btw so unless this high MAT turns out to be really killer thing WMP still sucks.
Not to mention that you can have winamp open without losing 90% of your screen estate.
online music store - cough, P2P, cough, music CD better than downloads, cough, cough
the visualizations support - um, who would be sad enough to just sit there staring at swirling colors while listening to music? oh and xmms can do those "things" too btw, not that you would want it too
easily and reliably burn CD's from the media player - not many OS's dont support cd burning these days. CD burning isnt the defining glory that it used to be, get over it. can it record DVDs? I dont think so...
oh and speaker effects/wow enhancements suck. This actually isnt anti WMP, all software based equalizers cant handle distortless audio modification. what you want is a hardware amplifier, software amping is only useful for making el cheapo headphones get a louder (although horribly distorted) bass response, its the same in linux and windows, s/ware amping sucks.
oh and have you read the WMP9 EULA? The one that says you give MS the right to upload "revocation lists" to your computer? :D
Oh and I know winamp is crap for videos, thats why i dont use it. Also it wont run under linux but hey. Oh and Xine isnt primitive boyo, you've never used it anyway so how would you know?
Oh, but I can have WMP open and have my full viewing area available to me(the taskbar player is god ;P). Sonys' HighMAT is a Digital CD file system(standard Audio CD's are Analog). The problem is, there are not many HighMAT compatible CD players out yet.
I have my computer hooked up to my Bose 5.1 Surround Home Theater(I have it connected from the RCA out of my Audigy Drive). I'll just say, the TruBass and WoW Effects make a big difference in the Audio quality and the Bass Quality.
Audio on Winamp sounds ackkk on the Home Theater system when compared to WMP 9.
For the not many OSes don't support CD buring statement. That is true. But it is a pain in the ass to burn CD's in Linux...period. WMP maes it easy for even a grandma to burn an Audio CD, a Data CD, HighMAT CD(For Data CD's I prefer Nero myself...but it isn't as easy for a grandma as WMP).
Actually, WMP 9 CAN burn DVD's. It won't give you the option to copy to a DVD unless it detects a DVD-RAM/DVD-RW drive though.
AS an Audiophile I will just say that music sounds like shit on every Linux media player I have tried on my Home Theater. I'll take WMP and all of it's audio enhancements over the open source, featureless crap anyday.
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A person saves time and hassle if he/she can do everything they want to do with one media player with out of the box capabilities to do it all.
Why stop there? Why not include a flight simulator as well just in case you fancy a game of that (as with Excel 97)?
Just because you want to do all of those things at some point, it doesn't mean that it's sensible to have them in one application and loaded into memory at the same time. For example, I always have XMMS open but only infrequently watch videos, for which I can open MPlayer and then close it when I'm done. I don't want mplayer, and xmms, and xmms' visualisations, and cdrecord, and xcdroast all in memory all the time as I'm usually not using their functionality.
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I like xmms, it plays my cd's/mp3's ogg's etcetera. Personally that is all I want and need.
Occasionally I expand it's capabilities with a plugin of a few hundred K's.
At the end of the day all I want to do is play my damn music, I think alot of people are like that. All these bells and whistles end up unused and people just like to know they have them and tell their buddies about them.
I also like seperate programs, I like the small and functional approach. Keeps everything clean, lowers system overhead and allows greater scope for changing bits and bobs.
Anyway that's my personal stance, just wanted to chip it in to show zombie that people want different things. There is nothing wrong with that and it's the reason that there are so many computer programs.
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You call yourself an audiophile and you use a dodgy bose "out of the box" speaker setup hooked up to (ack! computer based amps! eew!) bose make good speakers but out of the box man, wrong! Oh and the comp amps do make a big difference in bass quality and audio quality - they make it worse. The "better" sound you're hearing is distort. What you want is some $200+ headphones with a horizontal frequency response graph from 20 to 20k hertz, then you have decent sound! That said at least an audigy is better than the crap onboards i assumed you were using. BTW creative make free software drivers for all their sound products and you're using them. Does that make you feel dirty? :D
>The problem is, there are not many HighMAT
>compatible CD players out yet.
So they're useless like I thought?
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ps. Zombie, I was dooing some googling on this HighMAT and it sounded interesting.
I found this article:
http://www.creativepro.com/story/news/18594.html (http://www.creativepro.com/story/news/18594.html)
This line quote:
HighMAT, the digital media playback technology developed by Microsoft and Matsushita (Panasonic)
Came to my attention.
It is no suprise for Microsoft to support a format they are are partner of surely?
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Originally posted by Faust:
You call yourself an audiophile and you use a dodgy bose "out of the box" speaker setup hooked up to (ack! computer based amps! eew!) bose make good speakers but out of the box man, wrong! Oh and the comp amps do make a big difference in bass quality and audio quality - they make it worse. The "better" sound you're hearing is distort. What you want is some $200+ headphones with a horizontal frequency response graph from 20 to 20k hertz, then you have decent sound! That said at least an audigy is better than the crap onboards i assumed you were using. BTW creative make free software drivers for all their sound products and you're using them. Does that make you feel dirty? :D
>The problem is, there are not many HighMAT
>compatible CD players out yet.
So they're useless like I thought?
LoL, onboard sound? Are you insane man? I bet my computer is better than most of computers you cheap mother fuckers have. Heh, Lets just say that a 3.06ghz P4 w/HT support, a motherboard supports HT, a SB Audigy 2 Platinum Ex, GeForce 4 Ti4800(getting ready to upgrade it to a GeForce FX Ultra 5800 when the noise issues with this card are resolved), 120GB SATA(Serial ATA) 8MB buffer hard drive is way better than those cheap ass Athlon/Via chipset and the i810 w/intergrated graphics, etc. systems that you guys have.
I'm willing to bet that my setup can handidly beat pretty much any Mac on the market too. It is ashame, I just got this shit and it is already going to be obsolete soon with the interduction of the 800mhz(200mhz quad pumped) FSB P4 w/Intel Canterwood chipset. Oh well, I'll probably upgrade again when the P4's hit near 4ghz.
Heck, my fucking CPU costed more than some of your guys' entire systems. Shit, my sound card costed about as much as those shitty little Linux boxes that Walmart sells for $200(to satisfy you idiots). :rolleyes:
[ May 02, 2003: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
LoL, onboard sound? Are you insane man? I bet my computer is better than most of computers you cheap mother fuckers have. Heh, Lets just say that a 3.06ghz P4 w/HT support, a motherboard supports HT, a SB Audigy 2 Platinum Ex, GeForce 4 Ti4800(getting ready to upgrade it to a GeForce FX Ultra 5800 when the noise issues with this card are resolved), 120GB SATA(Serial ATA) 8MB buffer hard drive is way better than those cheap ass Athlon/Via chipset and the i810 w/intergrated graphics, etc. systems that you guys have.
I'm willing to bet that my setup can handidly beat pretty much any Mac on the market too. It is ashame, I just got this shit and it is already going to be obsolete soon with the interduction of the 800mhz(200mhz quad pumped) FSB P4 w/Intel Canterwood chipset. Oh well, I'll probably upgrade again when the P4's hit near 4ghz.
Heck, my fucking CPU costed more than some of your guys' entire systems. Shit, my sound card costed about as much as those shitty little Linux boxes that Walmart sells for $200(to satisfy you idiots). :rolleyes:
[ May 02, 2003: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
..I bet my computer is better than most of computers you cheap mother fuckers have...
...I'm willing to bet that my setup can handidly beat pretty much any Mac on the market too....
Heck, my fucking CPU costed more than some of your guys' entire systems. Shit, my sound card costed about as much as those shitty little Linux boxes that Walmart sells for $200(to satisfy you idiots). :rolleyes:
[ May 02, 2003: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
taking the bait- not all of us are cheap mother fuckers, so watch the baseless accusations of our financial standings. i for one spend alot of money on computers, & software. alot of the times i do not need to because "free" software will do the job just fine (linux = server = happy ecsyle). as for your setup beating any mac on the market. cool. yay. let us rejoice in the fact that your computer can do an operation a few seconds faster than my dual g4. wow. i mean. wow man. lets throw interface & ease of use, and STABILITY right out the window and base our decisions on a single components speed alone. that is the way to make expensive decisions. anyways. i bet my memory alone cost more than your entire setup :rolleyes:
whatever. what is this thread about?? oh yeah. iTunes kicks ass. i have not used a better music player. ever. i can finally get rid of music match at work & use a quality music player (http://smile.gif) . and fuck windows media player 9. i would never use that shit. my freind jeya installed it one afternoon and after he restarted, the printer wouldnt work and explorer crashed when he moved the mouse. not to mention the eula. "please agree to let us in to your machine, do not worry, we are microsoft, and only want whats best for you, the sucker, i mean customer". fuck that.
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Originally posted by ecsyle:
taking the bait- not all of us are cheap mother fuckers, so watch the baseless accusations of our financial standings. i for one spend alot of money on computers, & software. alot of the times i do not need to because "free" software will do the job just fine (linux = server = happy ecsyle). as for your setup beating any mac on the market. cool. yay. let us rejoice in the fact that your computer can do an operation a few seconds faster than my dual g4. wow. i mean. wow man. lets throw interface & ease of use, and STABILITY right out the window and base our decisions on a single components speed alone. that is the way to make expensive decisions. anyways. i bet my memory alone cost more than your entire setup :rolleyes:
whatever. what is this thread about?? oh yeah. iTunes kicks ass. i have not used a better music player. ever. i can finally get rid of music match at work & use a quality music player (http://smile.gif) . and fuck windows media player 9. i would never use that shit. my freind jeya installed it one afternoon and after he restarted, the printer wouldnt work and explorer crashed when he moved the mouse. not to mention the eula. "please agree to let us in to your machine, do not worry, we are microsoft, and only want whats best for you, the sucker, i mean customer". fuck that.
Well, lets see. Who made accusations about financial stuff first? None other than the dude who said that I use cheap onboard sound. :rolleyes: Now back into the real world, I personally don't care how nice and fast or how slow and trashy your computers are. Speed isn't everything. A computer is tool and as long as you can get what you need to do done with your system the computer has served it's sole purpouse. A computer isn't like a status symbol. ;P
To X11,
You are nothing more than a immature, gay, 12 year old troll. Even alot of your fellow MES peers say that you are so I'm not even going to be bothered by you. Be gone troll. (http://smile.gif)
[ May 02, 2003: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
Well, lets see. Who made accusations about financial stuff first? None other than the dude who said that I use cheap onboard sound. :rolleyes: Now back into the real world, I personally don't care how nice and fast or how slow and trashy your computers are. Speed isn't everything. A computer is tool and as long as you can get what you need to do done with your system the computer has served it's sole purpouse. A computer isn't like a status symbol. ;P
To X11,
You are nothing more than a immature, gay, 12 year old troll. Even alot of your fellow MES peers say that you are so I'm not even going to be bothered by you. Be gone troll. (http://smile.gif)
[ May 02, 2003: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
oh, you're right. you werent the first.
youre right, a computer is a tool. and i can get more done on a mac than a pc. so the mac is a better tool for me. end of story.
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On an unrelated note. Glad to have you back Zombie448787
Things have been slow around here. We needed some good flame bait :D
Seriously, you allways get peoples tempers riald which improves the quality of the threads IMHO. Keep up the good work!
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That said at least an audigy is better than the crap onboards i assumed you were using
Note assumed as in past tense? Assumed meaning "used to, but have now changed opinion?"
It's a nice computer - but it could be better!
A :-- only one processor? A dual (or quad) processor would own the arse out of hyperthreading anyday. And what OS takes advantage of Symetric Multi Processing more effeciently?
B:Bah, geforce. If you have the drivers get a radeon for petes sake, it's better than a GF4 and it doesn't sound like a vacuum cleaner.
C:Whats the rpm on that HDD?
D:SCSI. RAID. RAID arrays in Linux are the way to go. I'll bet my RAID array beats your serial ATA hands down. :D
Yeah it does kick the crap out of my computer all up. But jesus why waste however much you spent on something that's really just a big fancy box? There are better things to buy! Once you reach a certain level you can run 95% of the games out there, and really that's all the perfomance is used for in a desktop so why the fuck bother tripling the price to get faster when for me my computers already fast enough? I would rather buy a book, cd or go to a movie man, you're wasting cash here. I mean-
>>>A computer isn't like a status symbol.
>>>i bet my memory alone cost more than your entire setup
What is it with you people?!?!? This isnt something to be proud of! Stop wasting your money!
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A computer is tool and as long as you can get what you need to do done with your system the computer has served it's sole purpouse.
Finally! Some sense!
The above said, WMP9 still sucks. Read that EULA yet? The interface still sucks, it does lots of crap that really isn't that interesting and every media player out there kicks its arse. (well most... definitely not including real one player which i *despise*.)
I _still_ believe that there is no computer program out there that can match the audio quality of a hardware amplifier. This is why people buy hardware amps...
>>If Apple does port iTunes to Windows isn't
>>that like a kick to the balls of Apple
>>loyalists?
>Oh, I'm sure Microsoft would make mTunes for
>the Mac if it existed(just like they do WMP,
>IE, Office, etc.).
SO you're sure MS would port their software to mac which in your own words is analogous to a "kick in the balls for Windows loyalists?" ;)
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re:xine-you've never used it anyway so how would you know?
care to answer? (http://tongue.gif)
I'm not cheap, and neither are you. We just feel like spending money on different things.
PS:I didn't intend to call you cheap, but i apologize if you felt that way zombie. You're posts are appreciated a lot.
[ May 02, 2003: Message edited by: Faust ]
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mplayer for video (it even plays quicktime)
xmms for audio
what else do you need?
mplayer has the superior interface: a window with the video in it, with no buttons, and everything is controlled by keyboard (i.e., spacebar to pause)
radeon == the suck (the linux drivers are crapola)
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What surprises me most, is the length of your replies to Zombie. I mean, you guys must really have a lot of free time in your hands to just reply to him. What can I say?
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Originally posted by Panos:
What surprises me most, is the length of your replies to Zombie. I mean, you guys must really have a lot of free time in your hands to just reply to him. What can I say?
I havn't seen him say anything retared in months.
(apart from his advocacy of WMP9)
Maybe he's got tired of being a clown - something which some others around here (not you panos) should perhaps consider.
Back to something (a little) on-topic, what the hell do you use all that PC muscle for zombie?
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Games.
I am always working(the job is like a home away from home)...but I do get some occasional free time. I figure that I have the right to act like a kid(play video games) to escape from the harsh, serious real world sometimes. The several hundreds of dollars that I drop into this thing for upgrades is a small price to pay to enjoy my gaming. I do not enjoy a game if I feel it is running sluggish, so naturally I try to avoid sluggishness. ;P
To the guy who said something about get a Radeon instead of a GeForce FX.....Nahhh, I had bad experiences with the Radeon 9700 Pro(shitty, unstable and unreliable drivers) I purchased a few months ago. I had issues with the Radeon 8500 a long time ago too. So no more ATI for me. What is the point of having a faster card if it doesn't run games long enough for you to enjoy the speed?
I used the money from the returned card and bought a GF4 Ti4200 to hold me off until the FX came out. The FX was delayed for so long that I finally decided to buy a Ti4800. The FX 5800 is out now but it supposedly loud so I didn't rush out to buy one(besides, the Ti4800 already plays my games just fine), however Nvidia is redesigning the FX(and the new revision will be called NV35). If the NV35 doesn't have the noise issue I will buy one, if not I'll stick to the Ti4800.
If you think I'm pulling NV35 rumours out of my ass.
Article
NV35: Goodbye to the Dustbuster
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9285 (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9285)
[ May 03, 2003: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Oh yes, I agree that the Tk56-700-f and UV147-PPR are completely sluggish and that the 78-k4596 is the ultimate video card on the market. However, I do disagree with your that the 678SE-2000 and the mega-98-TTT Deluxe Asseon is very good for gaming because its graphics chip was built especially to load googa-plexy megaflorps. Yeah, I'm pretty happy just using a standard 86 gazillion with my 42-50 Excelleon 3.
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
To X11,
You are nothing more than a immature, gay, 12 year old troll. Even alot of your fellow MES peers say that you are so I'm not even going to be bothered by you. Be gone troll. (http://smile.gif)
[ May 02, 2003: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
Zombie at his new web design job...
(http://l337images.com/images/picture109.jpg)
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Originally posted by X11:
Zombie at his new web design job...
(http://l337images.com/images/picture109.jpg)
Riiiight! :rolleyes:
As I already said. I'm not even going to be bothered by you and I am not going to start a pointless flame war because of you. ;)
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My god, now zombie is being nice, I must have woke up in a mirrored parralel universe this morning.
Everythings fucking backwards.
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I have an idea for you X11. How about you stay the fuck out of the mac section.
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iCan take a joke
unlike macman.
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Games.
Played Raven Shield? New, kicks arse. :D
Windows only. :(
^ This probably isn't a problem for you so you should get it, it's hella cool.
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I had bad experiences with the Radeon 9700 Pro
Man that sucks, now I have to either listen to the vacuum or play Doom 3 at like 640*480 res. :rolleyes:
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Oh yes, I agree that the Tk56-700-f and UV147-PPR are completely sluggish and that the 78-k4596 is the ultimate video card on the market. However, I do disagree with your that the 678SE-2000 and the mega-98-TTT Deluxe Asseon is very good for gaming because its graphics chip was built especially to load googa-plexy megaflorps. Yeah, I'm pretty happy just using a standard 86 gazillion with my 42-50 Excelleon 3.
Um no offense but it's not like you don't harp on overly about Macs... What is wrong with comparing video cards? I want to know which one will get me the best future gameplay time ok?
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Everythings fucking backwards.
No it's not, you're still the same. (As cool, 1337 and k-rad as you usually are that is.)
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iCan take a joke
COUGH! COUGH! Dear God does anyone know the heimlich manouver? COUGH... urgh I'm dead now.
:D
BTW X11 that was joke so you can take it. ;)