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Operating Systems => macOS => Topic started by: mushrooomprince on 1 July 2003, 07:39

Title: Some things i would like to see happen to OS X
Post by: mushrooomprince on 1 July 2003, 07:39: Lets face it, os ten is the worlds greatest operating system.

The only problem is that it only runs on macs ( from what i understand ). Now not everyone minds shelling out the cash for macs because they are very nice machines and worth every cent. But the problem is not every one of us has a grand to blow on a mac.

Probably the greatest thing about os ten is that it is OSS. So if it is OSS, who's to say a group of software engineers couldn't write os ten for PC boxes ?
Title: Some things i would like to see happen to OS X
Post by: Doogee on 1 July 2003, 16:15: Yes but only darwin (the core) is open source, what really "makes" OSX is Quartz and Aqua which drive the looks of OSX.

In fact if there was a version of OSX out for PC but it didnt have Quartz/Aqua i really wouldnt bother looking at it.
Title: Some things i would like to see happen to OS X
Post by: cocoamix on 1 July 2003, 21:00: They could and maybe they have. the problem is that Apple is a HARDWARE company more than a software company.
Title: Some things i would like to see happen to OS X
Post by: billy_gates on 1 July 2003, 21:11: Well there is Marklar, a secret Ported OSX for x86 inside Apple.

But at opendarwin.org they have Darwin (osx's core) for x86 already. But like Doogee said, it has no Aqua or Quartz.
Title: Some things i would like to see happen to OS X
Post by: Laukev7 on 2 July 2003, 07:13: Try building your own Mac. You can even keep your PC box and just change your motherboard, processor and power supply (as long as your other stuff is compatible with Mac OS).

http://www.macopz.com/buildamac/ (http://www.macopz.com/buildamac/)
Title: Some things i would like to see happen to OS X
Post by: mushrooomprince on 2 July 2003, 07:31: I have a mac right now. Building a mac is not really an option because getting the spare parts is so expensive.

There is serious need for os ten on the PC platform. Apple needs to share the joy with the rest of the world and those who can't afford macs.
Title: Some things i would like to see happen to OS X
Post by: Laukev7 on 2 July 2003, 08:39: Unless they get a higher marketshare first, making Mac OS X available for the PC would be suicide. They would forfeit their hardware sales, and Microsoft is holding the OEMs by the balls right now, so they would have a hard time finding anyone willing to sell OS X with their computers.
Title: Some things i would like to see happen to OS X
Post by: sway on 3 July 2003, 04:10: quote:
Originally posted by cocoamix:
They could and maybe they have. the problem is that Apple is a HARDWARE company more than a software company.

i don't fully agree with that. apple doesn't really create anything besides firewire. example: they use ibm/motorola processors, logitech in the apple pro mouse, harman kardon speakers, samsung memory, etc.
Title: Some things i would like to see happen to OS X
Post by: Laukev7 on 3 July 2003, 05:29: Then, who makes the Powerbook? The iPod? The displays? Who assembles the Powermacs in such a neat way, with no clutter of wires inside? Who designs the iMacs and all the other machines?

The quality of their hardware is not only determined by what they make themselves. It also depends on the CHOICE of parts they put together in their Macs that make them such good computers.

And what determines whether they are a hardware or software company depends on what they centre their business around, not on what they produce. The Mac is made of several chosen parts, an IBM PowerPC processor and an operating system based on UN*X, but the Macintosh brand is the computer running Mac OS, not just the hardware (e.g. Dell) or the system (e.g. Microsoft).
Title: Some things i would like to see happen to OS X
Post by: sway on 3 July 2003, 08:36: quote:
Originally posted by Laukev7:
Then, who makes the Powerbook? The iPod? The displays? Who assembles the Powermacs in such a neat way, with no clutter of wires inside? Who designs the iMacs and all the other machines?

The quality of their hardware is not only determined by what they make themselves. It also depends on the CHOICE of parts they put together in their Macs that make them such good computers.

And what determines whether they are a hardware or software company depends on what they centre their business around, not on what they produce. The Mac is made of several chosen parts, an IBM PowerPC processor and an operating system based on UN*X, but the Macintosh brand is the computer running Mac OS, not just the hardware (e.g. Dell) or the system (e.g. Microsoft).

i know all of this. i'm just saying, they make things, not create. some people tend to think they create hardware.

and in my opinion, they can't be called a true hardware company untill they actually create a few more things.
Title: Some things i would like to see happen to OS X
Post by: Laukev7 on 3 July 2003, 21:21: Well, they don't actually produce the hard drives and the memory, if that's what you mean. This is no different from Dell or HP, who are also considered hardware companies.

As a matter of fact, 'hardware company' is not the right term to describe Apple or Dell. I'm not sure of the correct term for them, but a hardware manufacturer would be a company like nVIDIA or VIA.

So, in that sense, Apple is not a hardware company, but still relies on the sales of its computers, rather than on their operating system.
Title: Some things i would like to see happen to OS X
Post by: mushrooomprince on 3 July 2003, 21:23: What about motherboards ? Isn't the motherboard a crucial part in a computer who makes the apple motherboards ?

Anyways i tend to think it would be suicide for apple right now.

Maybe we just need to get quartz and aqua into Linux ?
Title: Some things i would like to see happen to OS X
Post by: suselinux on 3 July 2003, 10:10: quote:
Originally posted by mushrooomprince:

Maybe we just need to get quartz and aqua into Linux ?[/QB]

yeah not a bad idea

would it be possible to have a cocoa compiler in linux
Title: Some things i would like to see happen to OS X
Post by: choasforages on 3 July 2003, 10:27: then get hacking on display pdf. display ghostscript has already been done with the gnustep project. and since aqua is based on openstep, it shouldn't be too hard to get a aqua run alike with binary compatiblity running on ppc darwin. besides, that would be the first step to freeing aqua
Title: Some things i would like to see happen to OS X
Post by: Laukev7 on 3 July 2003, 19:03: quote:
Maybe we just need to get quartz and aqua into Linux ?

Or better yet: just use Mac OS X.

There would be no point in porting quartz, anyway, (not counting the fact that quartz emulation would be as unpractical as WINE) because applications compiled for OS X PPC would still not run on Linux x86. And no one has ever been able to write a good PPC emulator up to now.
Title: Some things i would like to see happen to OS X
Post by: suselinux on 10 July 2003, 03:16: dumb question

can you run OSX apps on darwin, running on a MAC
Title: Some things i would like to see happen to OS X
Post by: jasonlane on 10 July 2003, 04:13: quote:
Originally posted by suselinux:
dumb question

can you run OSX apps on darwin, running on a MAC

Don't quite get what you're aiming at here.
Title: Some things i would like to see happen to OS X
Post by: choasforages on 11 July 2003, 15:54: i think he was talking about something like MOL or along the lines of NetBSD's famous binary compatiblity /*see for your self, you can do whack shit with NetBSD*/

now creating an aqua opensource replacement would be a wonderful thing. btw i run osx 10.1 on my 9500 now
Title: Some things i would like to see happen to OS X
Post by: slave on 15 July 2003, 08:18: quote:
Lets face it, os ten is the worlds greatest operating system.

You're forgetting Fiasco (http://os.inf.tu-dresden.de/fiasco/)
Title: Some things i would like to see happen to OS X
Post by: choasforages on 15 July 2003, 08:32: fiasco is a microkernel. unless you are FBNMU (far beyond non-mortal user, like linus....) it will be of little use to you.