Stop Microsoft
Operating Systems => macOS => Topic started by: Macman on 25 April 2002, 14:36
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I just got a forum at my site (http://macrevolution.cjb.net) if you guys ever want to drop on by.
Also, does anyone know of any good (or bad) anti-Mac sites? I feel like burning someone.
And third, can anyone else load ihateapple.com? i was going to burn them, but it said "Directory Listing Denied." Maybe it's just dumb ol' IE.
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no, i got that using opera as well BUT, i sniffed around for a minute and found out you can get there using this URL instead:
http://63.229.177.25/ (http://63.229.177.25/notice.asp)
haven't looked at yr forums yet, but i will in a minute!
[ April 25, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
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Originally posted by Macman:
I just got a forum at my site (http://macrevolution.cjb.net) if you guys ever want to drop on by.
Also, does anyone know of any good (or bad) anti-Mac sites? I feel like burning someone.
And third, can anyone else load ihateapple.com? i was going to burn them, but it said "Directory Listing Denied." Maybe it's just dumb ol' IE.
Oh give me a break. If Apple could be a Monopoly they would be one in a heartbeat. Technically Apple is more of a monopoly than MS because in Apple's case you have to buy one of *thier* machines to use *thier* software. Apple even goes as far as forcing theme sites to take down any theme that has anything to do with Aqua. MS doesn't do crap to sites with Luna for MacOS themes. Heck, MS didn't even complain about TGTSOFT hacking the uxtheme.dll file for users to use thier own custom themes. I never did get why mac addicts complain about MS bundling thier software with thier OSes(which MS has every right to do because it is thier OS for crying out loud) but they don't complain about the stuff that Apple bundles with thier OSes(which is convieniantly bundled with Apple's computers). At least Microsoft doesn't make thier own PC's and kill off companies who make clones. :rolleyes:
MS only controls the software industry...Apple on the other hand wants to control it all. If it were up to Apple they would control the hardware industry and the software industry. At least the people over at ihateapple.com will admit that MS's business practices are flawed.
Most Appleites won't admit anything wrong on Apples part and they wont admit that Steve Jobs is a greedy asshole.
I give your site -1 star for unoriginality and -3 stars for all of the popups. It isn't like your site is the only site setup with nothing but propoganda.
[ April 25, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Well, actually i never said my site was original. I'm just doing my part to fight M$. maybe if Apple had neglected to put out their first macintosh for a while things would have been different. Instead of M$ stealing the idea and becoming the monopoly (ill get to that) that it is today I would be fighting Apple with the Windows Revolution (cringe). But for the meantime most of Microsoft's products suck and most of Apple's dont, so im going to support Apple.
About the monopoly thing, which would you define as a monopoly? A company which employs other companies to make its stuff, or a company that makes all its own stuff? I dont see how it would be inconvenient to have to buy all of your computer stuff from the same source, and if you can define that as a monopoly, then you pretty much can define just about anything.
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hmmm, yes the site in question, while quite alright, does seem to be a bit on the frothing-at-the-mouth side. Still i think zombie is trying to stir up an argument where none exists.
All Macman did here (in this topic anyway) was ask a couple of questions and invite people to go and look at his site, that's not so bad is it?
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hmm, re: a monopoly, it's when a single company has control over an industry to the extent that they effectively control the movements of all other companies in that industry.
Sure, one might say that Apple maintain a stranglehold over their own part of the industry, but compared to M$? monopoly, pshaw!!!
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Originally posted by Macman:
Well, actually i never said my site was original. I'm just doing my part to fight M$. maybe if Apple had neglected to put out their first macintosh for a while things would have been different. Instead of M$ stealing the idea and becoming the monopoly (ill get to that) that it is today I would be fighting Apple with the Windows Revolution (cringe). But for the meantime most of Microsoft's products suck and most of Apple's dont, so im going to support Apple.
About the monopoly thing, which would you define as a monopoly? A company which employs other companies to make its stuff, or a company that makes all its own stuff? I dont see how it would be inconvenient to have to buy all of your computer stuff from the same source, and if you can define that as a monopoly, then you pretty much can define just about anything.
mo
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Go have a look at http://www.urbanslurp.com/ (http://www.urbanslurp.com/) real quick and you will see what the E-Mail that Apple sent them says.
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frothing at the mouth? If this means being angry for no reason other than being angry, then im sorry if my site has come across this way. In its early days it was most definitely like that, but after trying to argue with people like that, I evolved from a mac luser to a webmacster by trying to present less of my commentary and more information.
Factoid Fred says: PC users brag about what the media has said about their computers; Mac users brag about what they've done with their computers.(http://www.aaa-clipart.com/data/anim2/people/an2.gif)
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Originally posted by Calum:
hmmm, yes the site in question, while quite alright, does seem to be a bit on the frothing-at-the-mouth side. Still i think zombie is trying to stir up an argument where none exists.
All Macman did here (in this topic anyway) was ask a couple of questions and invite people to go and look at his site, that's not so bad is it?
You know me, I've gotta have my daily dose of fun. ;P
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Originally posted by Macman:
Factoid Fred says: PC users brag about what the media has said about their computers; Mac users brag about what they've done with their computers.(http://www.aaa-clipart.com/data/anim2/people/an2.gif)
Factoid Fred is dead wrong buddy. I for one don't give a damn about the media. I garantee I can do anything with my PC that you can do with your Mac. The PC is alot faster at doing it also(except for photoshop plugins with Alti-Vec optimizations of course...even though my Northwood's SSE2 would cream Alti-Vec if Adobe would optimize for SSE2).
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To make a long story short. Apple has excessive control over anything that has to do with Apple computers.
OF COURSE THEY BLOODY DO!!! the commodity in question is the computer industry, NOT just Apple computers! (christ!), how can a company NOT be expected to have as much control as it can over its OWN interests??? quote:
They try to control what software you use on thier machines and they will not allow for companies to make clones of thier machines because they want complete control of the Mac market.
Well there are actually a few other OSs that run on a mac, namely BeOS and Linux, to name but two, probably OpenBeOS and BSD also, for another start, and Apple hasn't tried to run them out of business yet, have they. That thing about windows themes actually has nothing to do with things being run on a mac, which is what you imply, it is about infringement of the copyrights of the designers (or whoever owns said rights) of the OSX themes. If people started skinning OSX with M$ themes, do you think we'd see cease and desist outcries from Microsoft? sadly we'll never truly know since no fucker would ever want their mac to look like XP.
MacMan, no offence intended, i didn't mean it was devoid of substance, just that it also contains mouth frothing stuff, plus, i do reckon you need to be careful when dealing with windoids, they need to have things explained to them very simply, and possibly very slowly. Don't assume that just because you happen to be right, that people will accept it. You need to be patient to really change people's minds. On the other hand, you don't need to bother with all that crap if you are just in it to piss people off who take it all too seriously!!!
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Since when has it been a crime to have control over one's own products? If this is true and Apple has a monopoly over it's own products (sounds dumb, doesnt it?) then so is Nintendo, Sony, and just about every other company out there. Microsoft doesn't only control its own products, but others' products as well. That is the true definition of a monopoly.
And with the ihateapple thing (hysterical laughter), boy that is hilarious. The dumbass webmaster broke the law and Apple burned him. But look at a site like enemy.org with all its Microsuck startup screens and you see that microsoft can't do a thing about them because the webmasters there were very careful to take those pictures from somewhere else or at least make it look that way.
maybe it's just that using Windows kills brain cells.
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Originally posted by Calum:
Well there are actually a few other OSs that run on a mac, namely BeOS and Linux, to name but two, probably OpenBeOS and BSD also, for another start, and Apple hasn't tried to run them out of business yet, have they. That thing about windows themes actually has nothing to do with things being run on a mac, which is what you imply, it is about infringement of the copyrights of the designers (or whoever owns said rights) of the OSX themes. If people started skinning OSX with M$ themes, do you think we'd see cease and desist outcries from Microsoft? sadly we'll never truly know since no fucker would ever want their mac to look like XP.
MacMan, no offence intended, i didn't mean it was devoid of substance, just that it also contains mouth frothing stuff, plus, i do reckon you need to be careful when dealing with windoids, they need to have things explained to them very simply, and possibly very slowly. Don't assume that just because you happen to be right, that people will accept it. You need to be patient to really change people's minds. On the other hand, you don't need to bother with all that crap if you are just in it to piss people off who take it all too seriously!!!
Apple = Monopoly. It is the truth so you don't need to explain anything to me.
I know other OSes exist for the Mac, but I really doubt most Maccies would know how to install Linux...BeOS is dead so there would e no point in going the BeOS route. Believe it or not, Microsoft actually made a modified version of Windows NT for the Mac a long time ago. Apple has never made a MacOS for the PC(Darwin doesn't count becuase it is not sanctioned by Apple).
Apparently some people use those WinXP skins for OSX. If they didn't then it wouldn't exist for download. I know for a fact that the makers of the skins probably use them. duhhh. ;)
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Originally posted by Macman:
Since when has it been a crime to have control over one's own products? If this is true and Apple has a monopoly over it's own products (sounds dumb, doesnt it?) then so is Nintendo, Sony, and just about every other company out there. Microsoft doesn't only control its own products, but others' products as well. That is the true definition of a monopoly.
And with the ihateapple thing (hysterical laughter), boy that is hilarious. The dumbass webmaster broke the law and Apple burned him. But look at a site like enemy.org with all its Microsuck startup screens and you see that microsoft can't do a thing about them because the webmasters there were very careful to take those pictures from somewhere else or at least make it look that way.
maybe it's just that using Windows kills brain cells.
Microsoft doesn't control anyone elses products. I would like for you to tell me what Non-MS products that MS controls. Thier products may dominate other products...but MS doesn't control the other products. It is the other companies faults that thier products get creamed by MS products because they spend more time suing MS than they spend on improving thier shit.
Oh no...IE is bundled with Windows....what about Finder being bundled with MacOS?
[ April 25, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Factoid Fred is dead wrong buddy. I for one don't give a damn about the media. I garantee I can do anything with my PC that you can do with your Mac. The PC is alot faster at doing it also(except for photoshop plugins with Alti-Vec optimizations of course...even though my Northwood's SSE2 would cream Alti-Vec if Adobe would optimize for SSE2).
Factoid Fred says: Go to hell you jackass!!(http://www.aaa-clipart.com/data/anim2/people/an2.gif)
Windoid, i like that!
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Originally posted by Macman:
Factoid Fred says: Go to hell you jackass!!(http://www.aaa-clipart.com/data/anim2/people/an2.gif)
Windoid, i like that!
My what a big pointer finger you have Fred.
Is that the same finger that you use to pick your nose and your ass?
[ April 25, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Microsoft doesn't control anyone elses products. Thier products may dominate other products...but MS doesn't control the other products. It is the other companies faults that thier products get creamed by MS products because they spend more time suing MS than improving thier shit.
Oh no...IE is bundled with Windows....what about Finder being bundled with MacOS?
[ April 25, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
Microsoft doesn't control anyone else's products? What about Dell and Intel and Gateway, hundreds of game companies, and the list goes on and on! You are clearly ill-informed, my friend.
Everyone who makes products for mac (example: Ambrosia Software (http://www.ambrosiasw.com)) does it willingly!
Dell is complaining because M$ has been putting a lot of pressure on them to design their hardware especially for windows lately. They made a deal with a huge corporation thinking they would be rich and now they can't get out of it! What better describes a monopoly than that??!!
Maybe Calum is right, maybe being right just doesn't effect your kind.
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My what a big pointer finger you have Fred.
Is that the same finger that you use to pick your nose and your ass?
Ok, you ran out of real argument so now you're going to do this kind of thing? That is so typical of you windows lusers. If I could drop to your level for a moment,
NO, HE USES THE FINGER RIGHT NEXT TO THAT TO FLIP YOU OFF YOU FrEAKIN RETARD!!
Hmm... i may have gone a bit too far
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no, you didn't go too far... right, let's get stuck in...
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Originally posted by Zombie96879672675640123:
Apple = Monopoly. It is the truth so you don't need to explain anything to me.
i can tell you wouldn't listen anyway, why break the habit of a lifetime? quote:
I know other OSes exist for the Mac, but I really doubt most Maccies would know how to install Linux...
right, obviously that opinion is based on hard research. Many of the most popular Linux distributions could be installed by a 7 year old. quote:
BeOS is dead so there would e no point in going the BeOS route.
In one way, yes, but OpenBeOS is not dead, and while i'm at it, i notice you fail to decry BSD either. That's still 2 operating systems you fail to knock down, even with your biased loaded statements. quote:
Believe it or not, Microsoft actually made a modified version of Windows NT for the Mac a long time ago. Apple has never made a MacOS for the PC(Darwin doesn't count becuase it is not sanctioned by Apple).
Who cares? i suppose this proves to you how benevolent M$ truly is "giving" it's OS to those porr gullible mac users? get a grip! i suppose you will deny that porting NT to mac would have been a deliberate attempt to run Apple out of their own operating system? ALSO may i point out that with M$' current attitude towards licencing, the fact that NT can be run on a mac, just allows M$ to harrass people about having dodgy copies of windows. click here to see an example of this in action. (http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/steve_duin/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/all_wire_stories/101386428029222529.xml)
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Microsoft doesn't control anyone elses products. Thier products may dominate other products...but MS doesn't control the other products.
Listen to yourself! Microsoft's products have control now? so windows has the monopoly while Microsoft are poor innocent vistims of their own software? what is this shit? are you always this unintelligible at 5 in the morning? quote:
It is the other companies faults that thier products get creamed by MS products because they spend more time suing MS than improving thier shit.
oh this is just fucking ridiculous! so you're saying that Microsoft's products improve faster than Apple's? what a joke. As you say yourself, there is no point explaining anything to you, you are just too far gone. For the record, Apple aren't suing Microsoft at the moment as far as i know.
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Oh no...IE is bundled with Windows....what about Finder being bundled with MacOS?]
What about it? IE is NOTwindows explorer. I have uninstalled IE on my windows side, explorer still works fine (well, you know, as well as it ever did...)
Finder does NOT make my machine vulnerable to all sorts of backdoors and security holes et cetera.
Look, i'm sick of this pointless discussion, why don't you just get fucked and we'll call it quits?
[ April 25, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
[ April 25, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
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Originally posted by Calum:
OF COURSE THEY BLOODY DO!!! the commodity in question is the computer industry, NOT just Apple computers! (christ!), how can a company NOT be expected to have as much control as it can over its OWN interests???
The thing is, Microsoft doesn't control the computer industry. You can buy OEM PC's with Linux and other non-MS OSes installed. You can't buy a Mac without MacOS installed. OEM's usually choose to pre-install Windows at thier own free will. As I already said. Microsoft doesn't make computers and they do not force you to buy thier computers to use thier software. Microsoft actually makes software for Macs, Apple doesn't do the same for the PC do they(with the exception of Quicktime for Windows which is utter crap..I have posted a thread showing why too)?
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This has spun way out of control. I originally intended just to advertise my site. sigh....
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Microsoft doesn't control anyone elses products. Thier products may dominate other products...but MS doesn't control the other products.
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Listen to yourself! Microsoft's products have control now? so windows has the monopoly while Microsoft are poor innocent vistims of their own software? what is this shit? are you always this unintelligible at 5 in the morning?
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As I said, Microsoft doesn't control the other products. MS doesn't tell them what they can and can't do with thier shit..therefore MS doesn't control the 3rd party product.
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Oh no...IE is bundled with Windows....what about Finder being bundled with MacOS?]
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What about it? IE is NOTwindows explorer. I have uninstalled IE on my windows side, explorer still works fine (well, you know, as well as it ever did...)
Finder does NOT make my machine vulnerable to all sorts of backdoors and security holes et cetera.
Look, i'm sick of this pointless discussion, why don't you just get fucked and we'll call it quits?
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The point is, Apple bundles stuff with thier OS...but Maccies think it is so wrong for Microsoft to bundle stuff with thier OS. Just like MacOS has Quicktime bundled with it, but you hear Maccies crying that WMP is bundled with Windows. That is just straight up hypocritical.
I'll call it quits when you people can admit that Apple is no better than MS as a business.
[ April 25, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Zombie, go to bed.
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Originally posted by Macman:
Zombie, go to bed.
No, I still have another hour and 45 minutes left till my g/f gets home. I refuse to go to bed till I have someone to cuddle with. ;P
[ April 25, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
As I said, Microsoft doesn't control the other products. MS doesn't tell them what they can and can't do with thier shit..therefore MS doesn't control the 3rd party product.[/QB]
oh, i see, so what you are saying is that Microsoft does NOT set themselves up in a monopoly position, so that most bog standard first time computer buyers won't buy a computer without windows on it, and they also DON'T then proceed to blackmail computer vendors into doing exactly what they want by threatening to refuse them the legal right to preinstall windows on machines they are selling if the vendor chooses to preinstall certain other software on said machines, for example a non-Microsoft browser, just to take a random example out of the air?
This company wants total control over any market it deals in, and even some it doesn't deal in! M$ has never made its own hardware as far as i know, and still they make many (some quite successful) attempts to control the various aspects of the computer hardware industry. Lately the X-Box is a good example of that, new market, no chance of long term success against Sony and Nintendo, but the opportunity to have a quick hit and run advertising session targeted at impressionable young minds, and the chance to sell as many units as possible before everybody finds out that developers are all going to stop making games for it very quickly.
The list goes on.
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zombie again:
The point is, Apple bundles stuff with thier OS...but Maccies think it is so wrong for Microsoft to bundle stuff with thier OS. Just like MacOS has Quicktime bundled with it, but you hear Maccies crying that WMP is bundled with Windows. That is just straight up hypocritical.
I'll call it quits when you people can admit that Apple is no better than MS as a business.
Well, that is true, except for the fact that Apple are not a monopoly. Politically they are not much better though, in many respects but not all.
Re: bundled software, you miss the point, as many people admittedly do.
It's not the bundled software that pisses people off, it's the mandatory integration into the OS (why can't i uninstall WMP and IExplore from the "Add/Remove Programs" dialog?), the fact that the programs included are huge, and cannot do their job properly, often crashing the entire system (which should not be possible in any decent OS), making the user download alternative programs to do the same job (i have DivX Player, Winamp (from before it was AOL), Trillian and Opera, having got rid of WMP, MSNMSG and IExplore)and most of all the fact that those programs routinely try to mysteriously dial internet connections and write logfiles that are protected and unreadable.
Apple are not saints, which is why i think mac fans often seem to be foaming at the mouth a bit, but M$ are certainly much. much worse.
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I think we (mostly you) got him, Calum. We've written so much stuff against him that it would be literally impossible to deny all of it. Even if he won't admit it to himself, he lost.
Hey, I got to burn someone!
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Guys, calm down. Let's recap this:
Apple: Controls hardware and software interests.
Microsoft: Controls software interests, manipulates Intel and AMD to help control hardware by releasing newer editions of Windows that require more CPU to run properly.
So, basically, both companies are just trying to maximize profits. Apple is the underdog here, but I believe they make the better product, so I support Apple. (http://smile.gif)
So, let's keep this discussion going, it seemed semi-intelligent at the start... this isn't Usenet, we don't have to degenerate into mindless name-calling, all right?
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actually, this is the only zombie84151451314531532 initiated argument i have seen so far that hasn't degenerated into name calling. I think i said all i wanted to say, i truly reckon that while Apple may be shameless promotionists and they may want to keep visious control over their own interests that they do not traffic in dirty tricks anymore, unlike Microsoft who make it part of their daily routine.
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Originally posted by Calum:
actually, this is the only zombie84151451314531532 initiated argument i have seen so far that hasn't degenerated into name calling. I think i said all i wanted to say, i truly reckon that while Apple may be shameless promotionists and they may want to keep visious control over their own interests that they do not traffic in dirty tricks anymore, unlike Microsoft who make it part of their daily routine.
I don't think Apple are shameless promotionisists. They sell their computers on the ideals of it's founders. The think diffrent adds sold More Mac's than any G4 or G3 ad.
Besides M$ has the most misleading advertising around.
Zombie74574684:
And what the hell do you mean Darwin is not sanctioned by Apple? They made the thing. Look at the licence for god sake.
AppleWorks is made for the PC, as well as a bunch of their other software. But who's counting?
Unlike IE or WindowsExplorer the Finder is actually the core of the old MacOS. It IS the old MacOS. If you read anything in the Inside the Machintosh documentation then you will understand how the system is organized. The finder almost acts as a kernel. When windows explorer and IE are just tack ons made to seem like they are key OS components.
Man, my T1 was down last night and this morning. i wish I could have had some of this action (http://smile.gif)
Hey Macman! Nice site, lookie I'm a Moderator :D .
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The way I see it, Zombie is right about some of these things and Macman/Calum on the other side make some good points too.
Apple may not be a monopoly like Zombie insisted but if it had the market share of M$ then it would be a far worse monopoly unless they allowed clones to exist. (which I think the only reason they wouldn't allow clones was due to the fact that they were doing terribly at the time and needed mo' money)
You may not be able to buy a computer without the Mac OS on it but Microsoft also does its best to pressure OEMS to not sell computers loaded with alternative operating systems such as Linux. At least there are many choices of where to buy your computer from, though, and you aren't forced to buy one assembled by Microsoft. (yecch!)
Microsoft may spread some lies and engaged in false advertising, but Apple is just as guilty of that. Their claims about the G4 being faster than the fastest pentiums on the market are clearly dubious and it is obvious to anyone who looks at it that their "benchmarks" are extremely biased.
Someone said Microsoft has a deal with Intel where M$ deliberately bloats up its operating systems so people will go out and buy new processors. Sorry, but I think the "bloat" in windows is not intentional, and Windows, Mac OS, and Linux are all guilty of being equally bloated. The only company I know of that isn't guilty of this is perhaps Amiga.
We hate Microsoft because it is a monopoly over software, and monopolies are generally very bad for competition. A monopoly is like a huge tree that grows and prevents the seeds below it from ever sprouting. We may never know how powerful our comptuers can really be since M$ methodically squashes or buys every competitor that walks its way.
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Who is this guy friend Zombie keeps talking about? He must be a real winner...
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Originally posted by VoidMain:
Who is this guy friend Zombie keeps talking about? He must be a real winner...
Try girlfriend you dunce. BTW, why am I replying to a guy who says an OS reminds him of his butt? Your a real winner, let me tell you. (http://zombie9920.homestead.com/files/4.gif)
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Has to be a guy, no girl in her right mind could spend more than 10 minutes with you (without being drug induced, or being a female of another species).
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Originally posted by VoidMain:
Has to be a guy, no girl in her right mind could spend more than 10 minutes with you (without being drug induced, or being a female of another species).
You are dead wrong buddy. Unlike your old fat wrinkley ass, I am actually in pretty good shape and I have a decent clean appearance.
Bahh well, I don't give a fuck about the opinions of some old wrinkley decrepit mother fucker who has prunes for balls. Go talk about how much software reminds you of your butt somemore.
[ April 25, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Well guys, this thread finally got some good old flaming going on. LmFaO
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Damn Void, you look a little healthier than I thought. Get a load of this fool.
(http://zombie9920.homestead.com/files/troll.gif)
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Damn Zombie, I didn't mean to get on your nerves so much that you resort to talking to yourself... I may be an old fat wrinkly bastard, but at least I don't have a guy friend...
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Originally posted by VoidMain:
Damn Zombie, I didn't mean to get on your nerves so much that you resort to talking to yourself... I may be an old fat wrinkly bastard, but at least I don't have a guy friend...
Man go to hell. I would post a pic of me with my girlfriend but I'm not about to have you stupid bastards Photoshop a pic of me. Think whatever you want man..cause I don't really care. ;)
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Heh heh, I sorry. (http://smile.gif)
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its too bad i wasnt a mod in this forum, or else i could edit some of zombie messages to be hilarious (http://smile.gif)
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whoa... my signature is huge.....
mmmmmmmm... drugs to treat flu make me fell all good annddd g'myb[swcry4g,cv mbxztyyh9g6nD~Z&
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Originally posted by Master of Reality:
whoa... my signature is huge.....
mmmmmmmm... drugs to treat flu make me fell all good annddd g'myb[swcry4g,cv mbxztyyh9g6nD~Z&
oops, fell asleep on keybored.
I'm bored.
wild boars taste good.
pizza tastes good.
Thats it! i'm gonna go to sleep!
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Originally posted by Master of Reality:
its too bad i wasnt a mod in this forum, or else i could edit some of zombie messages to be hilarious (http://smile.gif)
Fuck you man, stay the fuck out of shit that doesn't concern you. Do you have some kind of reality block keeping you from noticing that Void started the whole damn argument by trying to call me a dirty fucking queer? Christ I swear you all are like a bunch of fucking kids.
VoidMain says: Help me, I'm being verbally thrashed.
Master of Reality says: Oh no, he is thrashing
my Linux loving butt buddy....I need to defend him.
Fucking weirdos.
(EDIT)I'll give credit to Calum, psyjax and even MacMan(even though I disagree with his site). You can actually debate or commute with them without it turning into a child's game(EDIT)
[ April 25, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Hey, I said I was sorry (even if I didn't mean it). And BTW, most of the people on here *are* kids. Why can't I act like one once in a while? At least I don't have a potty mouth. (http://smile.gif) And I don't know how I could have started the argument since I am not arguing. Are you arguing?
[ April 25, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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Originally posted by VoidMain:
Hey, I said I was sorry (even if I didn't mean it). And BTW, most of the people on here *are* kids. Why can't I act like one once in a while? At least I don't have a potty mouth. (http://smile.gif) And I don't know how I could have started the argument since I am not arguing. Are you arguing?
[ April 25, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
Your kidding me, right? I thought that X11 was the only youngster regular on this board. I thought the rest of you were over 20 (22 here). Well that explains the hatred for MS...you guys are just young and want to be different.
[ April 25, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Hey, those kids will be changing your diapers one day (you hope). And how does being young have anything to do with M$ hatred? There was a time when I actually liked M$ software. It took years of bad experiences for me to gain the hatred I have for them... And I sure hope they want to be different. That just means things in the IT world will get fun again in a couple of years.
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DAMN you and your rogue moderating post editing, psyjax!
dont fucking do that!
[ April 25, 2002: Message edited by: psyjax ]
[ April 25, 2002: Message edited by: Master of Reality ]
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[ April 25, 2002: Message edited by: Garden GNOME ]
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Originally posted by VoidMain:
Hey, those kids will be changing your diapers one day (you hope). And how does being young have anything to do with M$ hatred? There was a time when I actually liked M$ software. It took years of bad experiences for me to gain the hatred I have for them... And I sure hope they want to be different. That just means things in the IT world will get fun again in a couple of years.
If I ever get to the point to where I have to wear Depends I'll see to it that I hire a hitman to knock me off. There is no reason to live if you can't fend for yourself. I'll say that it is really good to see that part of the young generation knows more about computers than just point and click(I learned computers on a command prompt OS, having knowledge beyond point and click is great if you ever plan on getting a serious job in computers). It is just bad to see them bashing every little thing that comes from a company just because it was made by the company.
Even if the company makes a good product(which MS has made alot of good products) they will bash it just because it sports the name MS. Do you really think our computers would be at the advanced levels they are at now without Microsoft Windows? Microsoft has kept the pressure on chipmakers to improve thier CPU's to run Windows at decent speeds, MS has pressured Hard Drive manufacturers to make larger and larger drives to hold the size increases in Windows with space to spare. MS has a large part in Video chipset makers producing faster and faster video hardware that fully supports MS's API(DirectX) to run games that get graphically better and better every few months. Linux on the other hand only requires low end hardware to run, therefore it never has pressured any technological advancements in PC hardware.
I've said it a few times on this board, I don't think there is anything wrong with Linux, Unix, etc. I just do think it is silly that alot of the Open Source users are so closed minded. There is a place in the market for every OS..and seriously, *nix is not intended to be a desktop OS. It is geared more towards low end, mid end and high end servers. *nix will never replace Microsoft's OSes as a desktop OS. Microsoft's OSes have over 16 years worth of software that has been written for it. Do you think all of that shit is going to be thrown out the window for a server OS?
(EDIT)I'm also not afraid to admit that Apple played a big part in Microsofts' success. If it wasn't for Apple, Microsoft wouldn't have ever got the idea to borrow the GUI from Xerox. That GUI is what made MS the success that they are today(EDIT).
[ April 26, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Originally posted by Master of Reality:
How about this: what if a small leak in a water pipe above your computer was unoticed and water got inside the mac and burnt the processor and mobo while you had a disk in it with your companies main server settings (or something else important) on it, how would you get your disk back?
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You put a paper clip in the little hole and it trigers the mechanisim to relese the disk. If you snap off the faceplate on most macs you can push the button with your finger. No disasembly required.
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38. PC's are less than Macs, and you get more. (more useless microsoft propaganda that is)
I believe i spent a total of $300 on everything in my PC including the 3 GB of software on it (i'm using Linux on my PC)
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I think he is refering to windows here. Macman, get your windows and PC's straight.
[ April 25, 2002: Message edited by: psyjax ]
why the hell did you edit my post??????!!!!!!!!!!!!
[ April 25, 2002: Message edited by: Master of Reality ]
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
If I ever get to the point to where I have to wear Depends I'll see to it that I hire a hitman to knock me off. There is no reason to live if you can't fend for yourself. I'll say that it is really good to see that part of the young generation knows more about computers than just point and click(I learned computers on a command prompt OS, having knowledge beyond point and click is great if you ever plan on getting a serious job in computers). It is just bad to see them bashing every little thing that comes from a company just because it was made by the company.
Even if the company makes a good product(which MS has made alot of good products) they will bash it just because it sports the name MS. Do you really think our computers would be at the advanced levels they are at now without Microsoft Windows? Microsoft has kept the pressure on chipmakers to improve thier CPU's to run Windows at decent speeds, MS has pressured Hard Drive manufacturers to make larger and larger drives to hold the size increases in Windows with space to spare. MS has a large part in Video chipset makers producing faster and faster video hardware that fully supports MS's API(DirectX) to run games that get graphically better and better every few months. Linux on the other hand only requires low end hardware to run, therefore it never has pressured any technological advancements in PC hardware.
I've said it a few times on this board, I don't think there is anything wrong with Linux, Unix, etc. I just do think it is silly that alot of the Open Source users are so closed minded. There is a place in the market for every OS..and seriously, *nix is not intended to be a desktop OS. It is geared more towards low end, mid end and high end servers. *nix will never replace Microsoft's OSes as a desktop OS. Microsoft's OSes have over 16 years worth of software that has been written for it. Do you think all of that shit is going to be thrown out the window for a server OS?
[ April 25, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
i learned computing on a VIC20, then a commodore 64.
hmmmmmm... thats a good point though, without MS making their software need more and more space, processor speed, and better the newest hardware we probly would not have as fast computers as we have today (we may even make them faster using linux). If it were just *NIX there would be little pressure on the manufacturers because Linux would run so good on the current hardware.
I still think windows could possibly make an alright os if they took out the windows registry and replaced it with individual config files like *NIX uses. The registry contains the information for every program on the computer, therefore whenever a program has to lookup its configuration it has to scan the entire registry, this can get quite time consuming if you have a lot installed (or even a few big programs). The registry also constantly being accessed which makes it have a higher chance of being corrupted. Linux only access the certain config files it needs, so each individual file is accessed less and has a lower chance of corruption.
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[ April 26, 2002: Message edited by: Master of Reality ]
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Zombie, you keep spewing out those same things you call facts and I disagree with every single one of them. Microsoft doesn't create the products, they buy them and sell them. They are really nothing more than a software brokerage firm. For instance, I *used* to like Visio until M$ got hold of it. And you think I am biased and don't use M$. Guess what I spent half the day doing today? Trying to tie data together from M$ SQL Server, Pervasive, and Exchange on Win2k. There was a lot of swearing coming out of my office today to say the least.
UNIX was created before there was such a thing known as a "desktop" system. Linux runs just fine as a desktop system and it *will* replace M$ weather you like it or not. Better buy some books or you will be out of work fast and in a hurry.
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Originally posted by VoidMain:
Zombie, you keep spewing out those same things you call facts and I disagree with every single one of them. Microsoft doesn't create the products, they buy them and sell them. They are really nothing more than a software brokerage firm. For instance, I *used* to like Visio until M$ got hold of it. And you think I am biased and don't use M$. Guess what I spent half the day doing today? Trying to tie data together from M$ SQL Server, Pervasive, and Exchange on Win2k. There was a lot of swearing coming out of my office today to say the least.
UNIX was created before there was such a thing known as a "desktop" system. Linux runs just fine as a desktop system and it *will* replace M$ weather you like it or not. Better buy some books or you will be out of work fast and in a hurry.
commodore 64's are making a comeback, they even have a webserver running on it!!!
http://forum.fuckmicrosoft.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=7&t=000161 (http://forum.fuckmicrosoft.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=7&t=000161)
[ April 26, 2002: Message edited by: Master of Reality ]
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And I just got rid of my last one about 3 years ago!
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Originally posted by VoidMain:
Zombie, you keep spewing out those same things you call facts and I disagree with every single one of them. Microsoft doesn't create the products, they buy them and sell them. They are really nothing more than a software brokerage firm. For instance, I *used* to like Visio until M$ got hold of it. And you think I am biased and don't use M$. Guess what I spent half the day doing today? Trying to tie data together from M$ SQL Server, Pervasive, and Exchange on Win2k. There was a lot of swearing coming out of my office today to say the least.
UNIX was created before there was such a thing known as a "desktop" system. Linux runs just fine as a desktop system and it *will* replace M$ weather you like it or not. Better buy some books or you will be out of work fast and in a hurry.
I'm not in the least bit surprised that you don't agree with me because you are the biggest example of a *Open Source - Closed Minded* person on this board. You can keep telling yourself that Linux will replace MS one of these days....just like people of your type have been saying for the last 7-10 years. Face it, it isn't going to happen. Do you really think that I need to buy books about *nix? Dude I am no stranger to the *nix environment. I am also smart enough to realize that *nix is not intended for what I(and 95% of the consumer world) use thier computer for. Saying *nix is suitable for the mainstream desktop environment is as absurd as saying that Windows XP 64-bit and the Itaniums they run on are intended to be for the mainstream desktop environment. As I have already said, Microsoft's products(whether they made the product or bought it from someone else..it is still thier product) have made the single biggest impact on the advancements in PC technology. Also, if you look at Windows' software library(and all of the people who use the software in that library) and you think it is all going to be thrown out the window for an OS that has hardley anything to offer to the average consumer you are nuts.
P.S. I do not need to read up on anything. What I don't know I can easily learn on my own because I have a comprehensive brain. I am a very fast learner(and I learn stuff on my own, not from books). ;)
(EDIT)If anyone had a chance in hell of replacing Microsoft Windows(or whatever Microsoft's future OSes will be called) it would be Apple with MacOS. Even MacOS has more consumer level apps and games written for it than *nix. Linux is open source and will never have companies spending alot of time writing and coding for it because there are simply too many distros out there. Linux relies soley on it's community to write most of the drivers and program ports to it. Even MacOS has a big company with alot of resources backing it up.(EDIT)
[ April 26, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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i think i got a "new" commodore 128 just last year (i still have to get a keyboard for it).
I still have my commodore 64 though.
I'm not sure what happened to the VIC 20 i had.
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I know Zombie. You're 22, therefore you know everything. Ever hear of porting? That's what vendors are going to be doing in hoards. And I have used Linux since 1992 and it wasn't until *very* recently (weeks) that I seriously thought it could become a mainstream desktop OS. I do believe there are some major things to be accomplished but not nearly as many as there were yesterday, and thousands less than two days ago. The improvement rate is exponential and there is nothing that you or I can do to stop it.
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Originally posted by VoidMain:
I know Zombie. You're 22, therefore you know everything. Ever hear of porting? That's what vendors are going to be doing in hoards. And I have used Linux since 1992 and it wasn't until *very* recently (weeks) that I seriously thought it could become a mainstream desktop OS. I do believe there are some major things to be accomplished but not nearly as many as there were yesterday, and thousands less than two days ago. The improvement rate is exponential and there is nothing that you or I can do to stop it.
The problem is, most software vendors do not port and will not port thier software to Linux just because there is relativatly no profit to be gained in the open source market. Most Win32 to Linux app and games ports are done by members of the Linux community(regular users who devote countless hours of thier time to port stuff over). There is really no way software vendors can effectivley port thier stuff to Linux because there are simply too many distributions(and each distribution works differently) and more distros are made every month. Vendors are only interested in writing software for closed source OSes that are maintained by one company. That is where the profit is. You would be more likely to see vendors hoard software ports over to MacOS than to Linux because of the simple fact that it would make them more money. In the Open Source community people expect to get thier stuff for free(and GPLed so they can build onto it). That is not what software vendors want.
(EDIT)In all fairness, Linux has made some major advancements in User friendliness(namely in the Mandrake distro)recently...but the problem is it still holds that ugly Open Source label over it's head. That little label is what will keep the majority of vendors away from the OS. It all falls back to the simple fact that all vendors want is money. Open Source is the wrong tree to be barking up for a profit(EDIT)
[ April 26, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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What I am trying to say is that may have been true in the past but it will not be true in the future. People are willing to pay a "fair" price for "good" software. The flood gates are bulging and are about to burst. M$ will go down quickly and most vendors will be able to port quickly as the big ones have already discussed this and have been strategizing. They will not have a choice if they want to stay in business. And I have worked with many companies who are absolutely ready to jump ship off the SS M$ at a moments notice. Many are already doing it.
And what you also do not understand is the fact that vendors do not have to release their Linux applications under GPL or open source. That's not a stopper at all. Look at Sybase, look at Oracle, look at all of the other established vendors who have already ported and not GPLed their code, or released it. No one in the Linux world is screaming for Oracle source code (that I have heard). Open source is one of the great attractive features of Linux for both the vendor and the user. The vendor has the details of the OS such as the kernel so they can make their software run optimally, unlike on closed source OSs. End users (or companies where end users work) can customize the OS and/or fix things that are broken.
[ April 26, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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Originally posted by VoidMain:
What I am trying to say is that may have been true in the past but it will not be true in the future. People are willing to pay a "fair" price for "good" software. The flood gates are bulging and are about to burst. M$ will go down quickly and most vendors will be able to port quickly as the big ones have already discussed this and have been strategizing. They will not have a choice if they want to stay in business. And I have worked with many companies who are absolutely ready to jump ship off the SS M$ at a moments notice. Many are already doing it.
And what you also do not understand is the fact that vendors do not have to release their Linux applications under GPL or open source. That's not a stopper at all. Look at Sybase, look at Oracle, look at all of the other established vendors who have already ported and not GPLed their code, or released it. No one in the Linux world is screaming for Oracle source code (that I have heard).
[ April 26, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
I seriously dont think that Linux will ever take over, but if it does ever happen I have no problem with using Linux(providing it has support for everything I need out of the OS). I think there is more of a chance of a new software company coming out of the blue with an OS that will have what it takes to overthrow Windows than Linux ever doing it. Only time will tell. This argument is totally pointless because neither you or I know what the future will hold.
For all we know MS may reign supreme for the rest of our lifetime. We just don't know.
Even AMD testified in court that the loss of Microsoft Windows would set computing back over a decade. That is a big chipmaker saying this stuff to a judge...so obviously there is truth in the statements(AMD knows more about the computer industry than you and I combined).
[ April 26, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Of course AMD is going to say that especially since they just climbed in bed with M$:
http://www.theregus.com/content/3/24757.html (http://www.theregus.com/content/3/24757.html)
http://www.theregus.com/content/3/24765.html (http://www.theregus.com/content/3/24765.html)
but this is Bill at his best:
http://www.theregus.com/content/4/24724.html (http://www.theregus.com/content/4/24724.html)
and another trembling MS story:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/19836.html (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/19836.html)
And a true gem from bozo Balmer:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/19396.html (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/19396.html)
[ April 26, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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Originally posted by Master of Reality:
why the hell did you edit my post??????!!!!!!!!!!!!
[ April 25, 2002: Message edited by: Master of Reality ]
YARGGGG!!! I'm sorry jeez, Im such a dolt (http://smile.gif) Ill be more carefull next time.
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zombie18213813512 continues to claim that other people are arguing when the only antagonist is he himself. He constantly claims people on these forums are being childish when the truth is that he has attempted time after time to turn what was a simple invitation to go and visit MacMan's site into one of his puerile rants.
He won't believe this of course since, like his Christian doctrines, his political and personal beliefs allow him to have a predefined answer for everything. It is amusing to see him decry the qualities in others (which they ironically do not truly exhibit) that he despises in himself, closedmindedness being the most obvious.
Any sane individual reading these posts can draw their own conclusions, after a while though, the repetitive mudslinging gets boring, and i expect that this is actually zombie28314531531;s true motive. To make the forums so boring that nobody reads them.
Pa
The
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Originally posted by Calum:
zombie18213813512 continues to claim that other people are arguing when the only antagonist is he himself. He constantly claims people on these forums are being childish when the truth is that he has attempted time after time to turn what was a simple invitation to go and visit MacMan's site into one of his puerile rants.
He won't believe this of course since, like his Christian doctrines, his political and personal beliefs allow him to have a predefined answer for everything. It is amusing to see him decry the qualities in others (which they ironically do not truly exhibit) that he despises in himself, closedmindedness being the most obvious.
Any sane individual reading these posts can draw their own conclusions, after a while though, the repetitive mudslinging gets boring, and i expect that this is actually zombie28314531531;s true motive. To make the forums so boring that nobody reads them.
Pa
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Tic.
You aren't even gonna get me going this morning because I'm in too good of a mood. ;)
Why don't you kindly go braid Steve Jobs butt hairs with your teeth? According to this post of yours (http://forum.fuckmicrosoft.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=6&t=000056) you participate in dirty deeds like that. (http://zombie9920.homestead.com/files/4.gif)
I'm off to a more intelligent forum, enjoy your morning people. ;P
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[ April 26, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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each to their own, as i said, i am not trying to get you going, just point out the situation for those who may not be familiar with your posting etiquette.
Glad you're in a good mood, maybe too good to come back here arguing for a while?
(we can but hope... :D )
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
No, I still have another hour and 45 minutes left till my g/f gets home. I refuse to go to bed till I have someone to cuddle with. ;P
[ April 25, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
You really need to find something else to do, maybe a secondary gf, theres any man can do in that time
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Sigh...
M$ has literally made him into a zombie. He has no free thoughts, no will of his own. M$ could start selling cardboard boxes that leak and he would diligently defend them. It is this blind ignorance which has allowed M$ to become the monster it is today.