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Miscellaneous => Applications => Topic started by: anphanax on 26 September 2005, 06:49

Title: A Word Of Warning Regaring Virtual PC
Post by: anphanax on 26 September 2005, 06:49
It might be a little bit extra "work" to use something like QEMU or Bochs, but you might consider it.

I've noticed when I went from a "Trial Version" of VPC to the "Standard Edition" (I got it for free, legally too), that although my Windows 3.1 VPC image worked fine, my "Damn Small Linux" and "ReactOS 0.2.5" images were broken somehow. Good came out of it, since I learned 0.2.7 of ReactOS was out, but still.

Just a warning to people, that stuff breaks way too easily in VPC. It might have a nice "point-and-click" interface, but if upgrading from VPC 2004 Trial Edition to VPC 2004 Standard Edition breaks some of your images, it's not worth it.
Title: Re: A Word Of Warning Regaring Virtual PC
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 26 September 2005, 09:58
It's Microsoft software do we need to say anything more, it's a shame there're no MS supporters like muzzy and Viper around at the moment to give thier opinion.
Title: Re: A Word Of Warning Regaring Virtual PC
Post by: Kintaro on 29 September 2005, 08:38
Why anyone would run that shit when there is VMware, which is 358673094573x better, I have no idea.
Title: Re: A Word Of Warning Regaring Virtual PC
Post by: noob on 29 September 2005, 10:23
i like vmware, its fast and really easy to use. and once the guest OS is running, it doesnt bog down the host too much. well, that may just be my cpu, but its still pretty good.
Title: Re: A Word Of Warning Regaring Virtual PC
Post by: themacuser on 29 September 2005, 12:49
I use Virtual PC 6, it's the last non-M$ version. No VMWare on OS X (yet...)
Title: Re: A Word Of Warning Regaring Virtual PC
Post by: WMD on 30 September 2005, 02:16
Quote from: kintaro
Why anyone would run that shit when there is VMware, which is 358673094573x better, I have no idea.

VMware only virtualizes the x86 CPU.  Virtual PC emulates an x86 for the Mac users.
Title: Re: A Word Of Warning Regaring Virtual PC
Post by: hm_murdock on 1 October 2005, 23:24
VMWare is better on x86 because it doesn't translate. VPC on PCs still "emulates", therefore losing a lot of the speed that VMWare gets.
Title: Re: A Word Of Warning Regaring Virtual PC
Post by: Jack2000 on 3 October 2005, 18:26
Yo people i have been trying for some time now to
get VMWare runing on an win98 :) so in isnt!
what am i doing wrong i seem to can not find ANY info on that program
and a good version too pls help :) i want to
get my FreeOs scills up and going before I install a second HDD Part.
for Linux
Title: Re: A Word Of Warning Regaring Virtual PC
Post by: Kintaro on 9 October 2005, 20:43
Quote from: WMD
VMware only virtualizes the x86 CPU.  Virtual PC emulates an x86 for the Mac users.


I know this already.
Title: Re: A Word Of Warning Regaring Virtual PC
Post by: davidnix71 on 9 October 2005, 23:37
The only vpc 6.01 Linux that I can get to work on my eMac is Dynebolic, it even gets out through networking DHCP to the web on the OS X operated built-in Motorola SM56 dialup modem. Knoppix and Ubuntu pc versions had video issues once they were up and running. They looked fine until runtime, then the screen was either distorted or black and white.
Title: Re: A Word Of Warning Regaring Virtual PC
Post by: toadlife on 11 October 2005, 07:04
Quote from: hm_murdock
VMWare is better on x86 because it doesn't translate. VPC on PCs still "emulates", therefore losing a lot of the speed that VMWare gets.

I don't think this is true. VMWare still emulates an X86 chip - It HAS to to share it with multiple OS's. It's just very effecient.
Title: Re: A Word Of Warning Regaring Virtual PC
Post by: WMD on 11 October 2005, 22:49
All VMware does is send the instructions verbatim from the virtual CPU to the real one, with some overhead from having to keep the OSs separated.
Title: Re: A Word Of Warning Regaring Virtual PC
Post by: toadlife on 12 October 2005, 01:12
Quote from: WMD
All VMware does is send the instructions verbatim from the virtual CPU to the real one, with some overhead from having to keep the OSs separated.

I have no direct experience with VMWare myself, but we are going to be using it soon at work. We had a little "webinar" with HP, on VMWare where we went over VMWare extensively. THe overhead issue is one of the first questions we asked and they said that the overhead is usally very low can be an issue if too many OS's are being shared at the same time, or multiple OS's are trying to take up large amounts of CPU time.

Is is really a suprise to you guys that Microsoft's version is slower? ;)