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All Things Microsoft => Microsoft Hardware => Topic started by: iancom on 30 April 2002, 01:12
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I'm not really a huge gamer as it were, and the last console I bought was the Sega Megadrive <mumble> years ago...
However, I think it's time I re-entered the market, and was thinking about the Gamecube that's coming out in Europe this Friday.
So, my question is mostly directed at those across the pond (or those in Japan if we have any!) who might already have one... what are they like, would you recommend buying one, and if so, what game should I buy first?
The X-Box has just dropped in price dramatically over here, but I'll be damned if I'm going to voluntarily encourage Microsoft. Therefore the other alternative is the PS2, but the Gamecube is cheaper and for reasons that I can't quite fathom just appeals more to me!
Ian
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It depends on what games you like.
I personaly aim to own them both.
I love Zelda, Mario, Metroid and all the traditional nintendo titles. Not to mention Nintendo's quality and entertainment value.
PS2 has the 3rd party support the GameCube lacks.
However, recently some very big developers have shifted key franchises over to the gamecube. Square and Capcome have left the PS2 and XBox to develop games for Nintendo. So has Sega.
The only system that is left in the mud right now is the XCrox. The price drops are due to the fact that the XBox is looking to become a major faliur.
Thank god.
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i recommend the PS2.. actually i recommend the kick-ass SEGA Genesis.
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I'm a big fan of the Doom/Hexen types of games... The most recent game that I played to death on the PC was American McGee's Alice (which I enjoyed even more because of the Trent Reznor soundtrack!).
I gather Resident Evil should be coming out on the Gamecube in Europe in the next few months, and reckon that should be a good bet.
In the meantime I was thinking Rogue Leader and maybe the new Sonic One (having wasted much of my time at Uni playing the original Sonic!)
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I say gamecube because it looks cool and it's very small. It's cheaper than anything else out there, and some of the games are extremely addictive (anyone who has played SSBM or even the original SSB with 4 players knows what I am talking about :D ), has 4 player support already, and there's no DVD drive to bump up the price. But if you want DVD, you could import a Panasonic Cube.
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Originally posted by SpeeDFreaK:
I say gamecube because it looks cool and it's very small. It's cheaper than anything else out there, and some of the games are extremely addictive (anyone who has played SSBM or even the original SSB with 4 players knows what I am talking about :D ), has 4 player support already, and there's no DVD drive to bump up the price. But if you want DVD, you could import a Panasonic Cube.
its not cheaper than a SEGA Genesis
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i would say the playstation 2 or game cube. the playstation 2 has grand theft auto 3. which is a great game and it had final fantasy 10. also if you like 1st person games there is armored core 2.if you have playstation one games you can play most of the on the ps2, which is nice.
on the other hand gamecube is cheaper and has 4 controller sockets unlike the ps2, but the only game i have liked so far is ssbm because its fun and i can take out my frustration, but more games are suppose to be coming out like metroid, mario sunshine, star fox and zelda(which looks weird.)
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if you get gamecube i would get super smash brothers melee and if your getting ps2 i would get gta3 or ffX
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PS/2 can have more than 2 controllers with the Multi-Tap boxes. We've got one Multi-Tap box which allows us to have a total of 5 controllers and you can piggy-back the Multi-Tap boxes. Gran Tourismo III is pretty cool. We've been playing it for months now and still have only managed to get half way though the game. Graphics are awesome.
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that game is so addictive. If I could only get my hands on a street legal Skyline GT-R with lotsa horsepower in the US for a reasonable price... hell, I'd be glad just to get one. :D
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I'm planning on buying a gamecube in june. I was doubting wether to get a ps2 or a cube but chose for the cube due to the fact that it's the most developers friendly box at the moment which in the end will mean that there will be better titles in earlier generations, and the only reason I would buy the ps2 is because of the linux kit for it (cause SDL is ported to the PS2 along with a small OpenGL implementation, which means it would be pretty easy to write your own stuff for it, with a few restrictions though....)
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If you are looking for a system with the most games or best support, theres no disputing it, the PS2 is the way to go. From my experience in the video game world (and owning a psx), i'll always choose quality over quantity. My choice was the gamecube (i got me the purple one ;) ), but i hope to get a nice ps2 to compliment it in the future.
Microsoft done fucked up bad (i had to throw some hillbilly into it) by trying to take on sony's market. Of the two systems Nintendo would have been the easiest to overcome. The xbox is getting port after frigkin port of old ps2 games.. and while they look a bit better, they are still ports.
My final sum up:
Its good to see you've chosen not to go with the shit-box. If you are a patient person and love nintendo's franchises, get a GC (yes, it is getting some great support like an incredible RE game (the RE series is now exclusive to the cube) that'll i'll be picking up tomorrow.. a sqaure game, and plenty of wonderful stuff in the future). If you want tons of games at your finger tips now, definately go with the ps2.
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the ps2 will also being going online, which i dont think the xbox or gamecube will be doing, but i could be wrong
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By far the ps2 is the best ive got xbox and ps2 and well all i can say is, you wanna buy a xbox???...
That damn thing sucks ass, all the games ive seen except halo blow goats. And about ps2 going on line, i know you can already play tony hawk pro skater3 online(ive done it) all you need is a ethernet adapter witch i bought at frys for like $30...Although its not "online" offically through sony their are servers up you can play thps3 on with other people, about other games i dont really know... I use to have a link to a site that showed you how to set everything up but i cant find it, ill try and find it and post it on here...
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Originally posted by Master of Reality:
its not cheaper than a SEGA Genesis
The Sega Genesis was horrible. It was a 16bit system that only supported 512 colors and it had a really crappy sound chip in it(which is why you would hear voice crackling in charactor speech). If you want to stick with 16-bit gaming go for the SuperNES. It supports over 16 million colors and it had a halfway decent sound chip in it(no sound crackiling at all).
Anyways, Why have a bunch of old consoles like the SNES and Genesis sitting around taking up space in your house when you can just use an emulator and roms for those systems on your PC? Oh yeah! Thats right, you don't use Windows....so much for good emulators. LOL
You know, some good ol' classic 16-bit gaming sounds fun right about now. I think I'm gonna go burn some time on Super Metroid. I should have it beat before 8 A.M. (http://smile.gif)
[ May 01, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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the SNES was deliberately designed to grab the Megadrive's (Genesis to the yanks) market, that's why it deliberately pinpoints the megadrive's weak points. Not only that, but aren't you forgetting that it took 2 YEARS for nintendo to bring out the SNES after the megadrive first came on the scene? how impressive. In the interim 2 years, what did nintendo have to compete with the megadrive? the nintendo entertainment system. 'Nuff said.
Finally, surely it's about the games? Fair enough, bomberman (one of my favourites) had tons of games released for the various nintendo platforms, including 5 for the super nintendo and only one for the megadrive, but now you can even get bomberman for the playstation. It's moot. Sonic was on the megadrive and so was alex kidd, and a whole other lot of stuff. Even things that came out for both, just seemed to be less twee and sugary on the megadrive.
I don't know, it's up to preference, but in my mind, nintendo were always the catchers up during that era.
and re: emulators in linux, get fucked, there's tons. There's hardly a comprehensive choice for windows either, is there? there's only one emulator for the Atari Lynx, and only one of any consequence for the PCEngine/Turbografx16. There's not even an emulator for the SEGA Saturn yet (1 machine i'm glad i still have), or one that works for the SEGA 32X.
Anyway, Microsoft makes a grand total of NO emulators for consoles in windows so it's totally pointless to say how much better windows is than linux because most of those emulators are hobby projects written in, for example, C or C++ (unix languages originally) and could easily be ported, source code availability permitting.
[ May 01, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
Anyways, Why have a bunch of old consoles like the SNES and Genesis sitting around taking up space in your house when you can just use an emulator and roms for those systems on your PC? Oh yeah! Thats right, you don't use Windows....so much for good emulators. LOL
You know, some good ol' classic 16-bit gaming sounds fun right about now. I think I'm gonna go burn some time on Super Metroid. I should have it beat before 8 A.M. (http://smile.gif)
[ May 01, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
And once again zombie shows his complete ignorance about anything not windows....
No good emulators for linux? lol ... how about VGBA, zsnes, snes9x, xmame (just to name a few of the zillions out there)
And nothing beats the feeling of the old clunky nes 8 bit controllers and the clunky nes cartridge system to generally enhance your retro gaming experience .... emulators are cool, but they will never replace the real deal......
oh .... you compare the snes to the genesis, but the genesis (or the mega drive, as they would call it here in europe) was never designed to compete with the snes, it was designed to compete with the nes (and it kicked the nes's ass, no arguing about that, only problem was that the market share of the nes was already so big that it didn't make much of a difference)
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Originally posted by Calum:
the SNES was deliberately designed to grab the Megadrive's (Genesis to the yanks) market, that's why it deliberately pinpoints the megadrive's weak points. Not only that, but aren't you forgetting that it took 2 YEARS for nintendo to bring out the SNES after the megadrive first came on the scene? how impressive. In the interim 2 years, what did nintendo have to compete with the megadrive? the nintendo entertainment system. 'Nuff said.
Finally, surely it's about the games? Fair enough, bomberman (one of my favourites) had tons of games released for the various nintendo platforms, including 5 for the super nintendo and only one for the megadrive, but now you can even get bomberman for the playstation. It's moot. Sonic was on the megadrive and so was alex kidd, and a whole other lot of stuff. Even things that came out for both, just seemed to be less twee and sugary on the megadrive.
I don't know, it's up to preference, but in my mind, nintendo were always the catchers up during that era.
and re: emulators in linux, get fucked, there's tons. There's hardly a comprehensive choice for windows either, is there? there's only one emulator for the Atari Lynx, and only one of any consequence for the PCEngine/Turbografx16. There's not even an emulator for the SEGA Saturn yet (1 machine i'm glad i still have), or one that works for the SEGA 32X.
Anyway, Microsoft makes a grand total of NO emulators for consoles in windows so it's totally pointless to say how much better windows is than linux because most of those emulators are hobby projects written in, for example, C or C++ (unix languages originally) and could easily be ported, source code availability permitting.
[ May 01, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
I was never impressed with the Sega Genesis/Megadrive. Back in the day I bought a Genesis and got burned out on Sonic quickly..about as fast as the little bastid runs(and there were really no other games on the Genesis I liked back then) so I turned to my NES to play the stuff that I still enjoy to this day...stuff like Zelda, Metroid and the other classic shit on the regular NES. Then came the SNES. I bought it and I was pleased with it because all of my favorite classics were enhanced for the SNES and some of the other not so classic games that were on the SNES were superior to thier Genesis counterparts(Maximum Carnage, Street Fighter 2, Mortal Kombat II, Zombies Ate My Neighbors, Super Ghouls and Ghosts, etc.).
As for the Emulators. ZSNES is a great SNES emulator and there is a Linux port to it but the Linux port does not run as many games because of a bug in the SFX chip emulation in Linux. Ages v.0.27a emulates the Sega Genesis, 32x and it also emulates the SegaCD(there are no Linux equivalents that I know of). SSF is a good Sega Saturn emulator(for Windows only) that can run almost every Sega Saturn game(there are no Linux equivalents that I know of). Windows has Project64 which runs roughly around 94% of the N64 games out there...the only Linux N64 emulator that I know of is Fake64 and it doesn't run shit. If you are into emulation Linux is definatley the wrong OS to be using.
[ May 01, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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can anybody give me a site where i can get a snes emulator or a playstation emulator
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Originally posted by leon:
can anybody give me a site where i can get a snes emulator or a playstation emulator
SNES Emulator - http://www.zsnes.com (http://www.zsnes.com) and http://www.snes9x.com (http://www.snes9x.com) (Go for ZSNES over SNES9x because the sound support in SNES9x sucks).
Sony Playstation Emulator - http://www.epsxe.com/ (http://www.epsxe.com/)
(requires the Sony Playstation BIOS file which you can get here - http://www.mattj.eurobell.co.uk/scph1000.zip (http://www.mattj.eurobell.co.uk/scph1000.zip) )
These Emulators are ported for both Windows and Linux.
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PLAYSTATION 2 RULES!!!
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re: zombie61541314351's emulator comments, you can get zsnes and i think ePSXe for linux too, there are definitely a lot of linux emulators for a lot of nintendo consoles, can't be arsed remembering them all right now.
Anyway, he is wrong again about zsnes vs snes9x. snes9x is better, the end.
Maybe for someone who doesn't care to learn how to USE a program, zsnes is the better choice.
It's amazing how zombie351351431451 can be so consistently wrong! it's a real achievement!
[ May 02, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
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Before i had a PS II, I had a N-64 as they kick PS-I's A$$ and now that there is the x-box us Sony and Nintendo fans can unite and crusade agaist...
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Originally posted by Calum:
re: zombie61541314351's emulator comments, you can get zsnes and i think ePSXe for linux too, there are definitely a lot of linux emulators for a lot of nintendo consoles, can't be arsed remembering them all right now.
Anyway, he is wrong again about zsnes vs snes9x. snes9x is better, the end.
Maybe for someone who doesn't care to learn how to USE a program, zsnes is the better choice.
It's amazing how zombie351351431451 can be so consistently wrong! it's a real achievement!
[ May 02, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
No seriously. Snes9x for Windows has worse sound support than ZSnes. This can be proven by playing the MegaMan X series. When you shoot the charged X-Buster it should make a lighting like crashing sound(the same applies for those one big robots that shoot shock balls across the floor) but in snes9x the lightning like sound is a boing noise(sounds like a damn pinball machine). Another example of the messed up sound in Snes9x...In The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past...when the soldiers in the light world spot you and make that noise they make it doesn't sound right in SNES9x(because of the same sound problem). The reason it does this is because Snes9x doesn't properly emulate the sound spline interlopetion. It is not noticable in alot of games..but in games that make alot of use of the interloption you can tell a major difference in the SFX.
BTW, the graphics look better in ZSNES anyways(unless of course you are using the OpenGL rendering in SNES9x..but the games just don't look like they did on the original console in OpenGL.
Another example of SNES9x's flawed sound...in Zelda...again.
Whenever you first start the game and the sword comes down on the Z in the word Zelda it doesn't sound right and any part of the game that uses that exact same sound doesn't sound right either. Also, whenever you charge up your sword and tap walls with the sword it doesn't sound right. Instead of going tink, tink tink it sounds like he is tapping on a piece of fiberglass(it goes twank twank twank). In ZSNES every sound for every game is the way it should be(like the actual games on the actual SNES).
Face it, SNES9x needs work. The only reason I could think of that you would think SNES9x is better is because it runs better on lower end systems(like pre Pentium 233MMX systems). ZSNES has no speed issues at all on systems that are above 400mhz.
What the hell are you talking about ZSNES is for people who don't care to learn how to use a program? SNES9x is easier to use than ZSNES so I think that that comment should be switched over to SNES9x instead of ZSNES.
ZSNES emulates all of the sound and graphics stuff perfectly. It is so amazing to see a person who is wrong claim someone else is wrong. LmFaO.
BTW, I said that ZSNES, SNES9x and ePSXE are ported to Linux you dolt. :rolleyes:
Now tell me how SNES9x is superior to ZSNES. Instead of saying your opinion just tell me some facts(like ZSNES bugs) that make SNES9x better.
[ May 03, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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The Mac Port of SNES9X, is pretty rock solid. It supports nearly every nintendo game (the latest release seems to have broken StarFox tho!).
Whenever I am using a PC I opt for ZSNES, because I have to side with Zombie78764545648 on this one, it's a better emulator overal. Kinda like NESticle vs. some of the other ones out there. Tho again, iNes and RockNes for the Mac are far supperior to their counterparts on other platforms.
I think we owe most of that to Jhon Stilles who runs www.emulation.net (http://www.emulation.net) and Richard Banistar, two of the bigest names in the Mac emulation community. They have done alot to make emulation on the Mac some of the best around. No good N64 emulator yet tho, I don't really care, I have the origional consol with a bunch of the games I like for it anyway.
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Ooooops i ment box now didnt I
You can click on the edit icon and fix that y'know ;)
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[ May 04, 2002: Message edited by: jtpenrod ]
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Here's the link to setting up your ps2 to play Tony HHawk Pro Skater 3 online...
http://www.neversoft.com/online_guide/gettingstarted/hardware.htm (http://www.neversoft.com/online_guide/gettingstarted/hardware.htm)
[ May 07, 2002: Message edited by: trc3 ]
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
If you are into emulation Linux is definatley the wrong OS to be using.
FlashSound (http://rrs.home9.dk3.com/qrigtbng.swf) quote:
Originally posted by Zombie9920:
Go for ZSNES over SNES9x because the sound support in SNES9x sucks.
FlashSound (http://rrs.home9.dk3.com/qrigtbng.swf) quote:
Sony Playstation Emulator - http://www.epsxe.com/ (http://www.epsxe.com/)
FlashSound (http://rrs.home9.dk3.com/qrigtbng.swf)
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unusual link,
why?
what's it got to do with nintendo?
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It's the correct answer sound from WWTBAM. Don't you have Flash installed?
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well, i have full .swf support from quicktime, on this mac, but i don't think they were all right answers... Matter of opinion, i understand now what that link was all about......
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I went with the GameCube in the end... got it about a week ago, and am very pleased with it.
My first go on it was with a few colleagues at work playing Rogue Leader. I was abusing my position and used the conference room with the multimedia projector to play it on. With the lights out and a screen the size of a wall, it's better than watching Star Wars in the Cinema!
Very pleased with it so far, anyway... a little disappointed with the range of games available for the release date, but I'm sure that a lot of really good games will start to appear very soon.
In any case there was no way I was going to go near the X-Box no matter how good the games are for it...
From reports I've heard here in the UK, the GameCube has sold better in Europe in its first week than the X-Box did in the same region. I like to think I've had a hand in that...!
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I own a GameCube. It's a cute little box with pretty good graphics performance that runs on a modified G3.
I recommend getting one because of the low entry price point, Star Fox Adventures, and Eternal Darkness. Oh, and the new Resident Evil is pretty damned nice too.