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All Things Microsoft => Microsoft Hardware => Topic started by: Kintaro on 30 October 2002, 10:17

Title: How much does Microsoft make
Post by: Kintaro on 30 October 2002, 10:17: How many $$$'s are Microsoft Making per X-Bochs console?
Title: How much does Microsoft make
Post by: preacher on 30 October 2002, 17:10: X11, simply put video game console including the xbox, gamecube and ps2 are all sold at a loss by the manufacturers. They make the real money with the software sales. Thats why when Sega got out of the hardware business and focused on software, they were able to finally turn a profit after years of losing money. Ill look it up and see at exactly how much of a loss Microsoft sells the Xbox.
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Post by: preacher on 30 October 2002, 17:14: According to this news article at http://news.com.com/2100-1001-274648.html?tag=rn (http://news.com.com/2100-1001-274648.html?tag=rn)

"Merrill Lynch analyst Henry Blodgett expects Microsoft to sell Xbox at a loss of about $100 per unit. "

This was back when the xbox cost $299, they are probably losing even more now.

[ October 30, 2002: Message edited by: ThePreacher ]
Title: How much does Microsoft make
Post by: hm_murdock on 31 October 2002, 02:17: okay... everybody that can afford an X-box, go out and buy 1,000 of them, and then lock 'em away and never get games for 'em

or better yet, put Linux on 'em
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Post by: voidmain on 31 October 2002, 02:23: That's what I've been saying from the beginning. If everyone goes out and buys all of the X-botchs off the shelf before the kiddie gamers can get hold of them then M$ will not sell any games and it will be a total loss. You can make beowulf clusters out of the cheap X-Botch hardware. Why do you think M$ has been fighting so hard against the mod chips that allow Linux to be run on these machines?
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Post by: Fett101 on 31 October 2002, 21:25: quote:
Originally posted by void main:
Why do you think M$ has been fighting so hard against the mod chips that allow Linux to be run on these machines?

Because those mod chips are usually used to play pirated games.
Title: How much does Microsoft make
Post by: Kintaro on 31 October 2002, 21:37: If they are loosing money im going to buy one and Install XBOX Linux!
Title: How much does Microsoft make
Post by: voidmain on 31 October 2002, 21:40: quote:
Originally posted by fett101:
Because those mod chips are usually used to play pirated games.

That could be one of the reasons, and it also happens to be their primary motivation for Palladium and for the new DRMA CD-ROM drives about to hit the market. They would like you to believe they are doing Palladium in the interest of security when in fact it is for control and lock-in. Soon you will only be able to use Microsoft's computer (it certainly won't be yours) only for things that Microsoft wants you to use them for. Tomorrow it's computers. The day after tomorrow it will be *all* electronic devices.
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Post by: Kintaro on 31 October 2002, 21:47: Even dildo's will Bill Gates be the only person who can set the speed settings?
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Post by: Fett101 on 31 October 2002, 20:51: quote:
Originally posted by void main:

That could be one of the reasons, and it also happens to be their primary motivation for Palladium and for the new DRMA CD-ROM drives about to hit the market. They would like you to believe they are doing Palladium in the interest of security when in fact it is for control and lock-in. Soon you will only be able to use Microsoft's computer (it certainly won't be yours) only for things that Microsoft wants you to use them for. Tomorrow it's computers. The day after tomorrow it will be *all* electronic devices.

And then, Bill will throw a coup de tat, AND RULE THE WORLD!!! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

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I felt a strong urge to photoshop...

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Title: How much does Microsoft make
Post by: AirFilter on 1 November 2002, 03:29: okay... everybody that can afford an X-box, go out and buy 1,000 of them, and then lock 'em away and never get games for 'em

HAH that would be stupid. i have a better idea. how 'bout we DON'T buy an Xbox and we DON'T buy any software...
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Post by: rtgwbmsr on 1 November 2002, 03:53: quote:
Originally posted by AirFilter:
okay... everybody that can afford an X-box, go out and buy 1,000 of them, and then lock 'em away and never get games for 'em

HAH that would be stupid. i have a better idea. how 'bout we DON'T buy an Xbox and we DON'T buy any software...

For the same reason that you shouldn't pirate M$ software: It increases their marketshare wether you like it or not, or wether it is illegal or legal.
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Post by: Kintaro on 2 November 2002, 16:36: YOu shouLD buy A thousand X-Bitches (http://smile.gif) and beowulf them for a SuperComputer...
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Post by: Kintaro on 3 November 2002, 03:37: Well i emailed a guy on the project and he gave me the contents of /proc/cpuinfo:
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Title: How much does Microsoft make
Post by: voidmain on 3 November 2002, 04:53: Heh heh, my P100 shows 39.94 bogomips. My Athlon 1600+ shows 2778.83 bogomips.

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Post by: Kintaro on 3 November 2002, 06:44: My P-II 300 shows 699.0 Bogomips, where the computer im on (PIII-850) shows
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And can sombody tell me the Windows Commandline equiv of this?
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Post by: voidmain on 3 November 2002, 07:27: quote:
Originally posted by Ex Eleven / b0b 2.1:
And can sombody tell me the Windows Commandline equiv of this?

Yeah, I believe it's:

C:\> echo "get bogomips" > C:\NTLDR
Title: How much does Microsoft make
Post by: TB on 3 November 2002, 20:54: Ummmmm......not all consoles were sold at a loss....it's a commonly perpetrated myth. Sega was the first to sell consoles at a loss with the Sega Saturn and Dreamcast. Since Sony manufcatures all their console components in-house their production costs are significantly reduced (if you factor out initial capital expenditure for factories etc). From what i've heard, Sony are making a very tidy profit from each PS2 sold.
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Post by: Doogee on 9 November 2002, 08:05: Yeh but thats Okay cos the Ps2 rocks and sony rocks
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Post by: enigma on 10 November 2002, 00:59: quote:
Originally posted by Doogee:
Yeh but thats Okay cos the Ps2 rocks and sony rocks

AMEN!!!!
Title: How much does Microsoft make
Post by: Calum on 12 November 2002, 15:08: yeah, nevermind that they're a ruthless monopoly or anything... oh wait a minute...

re: fett101's picture, i can't see it. is the url correct?
Title: How much does Microsoft make
Post by: Fett101 on 12 November 2002, 19:02: quote:

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That was big?

And I had to delete it to make space.
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Post by: Calum on 12 November 2002, 20:13: quote:
Originally posted by fett101:

That was big?

And I had to delete it to make space.

if you had to delete it to save space then how can you imply it wasn't big?

and big means either ungainly and awkward, for page scansion, or the posting of more than one or two decent sized images per page (for modem users' benefit).
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Post by: Refalm on 12 November 2002, 22:32: quote:
[calum@localhost]$: and big means either ungainly and awkward, for page scansion, or the posting of more than one or two decent sized images per page (for modem users' benefit).

Yeah, well put [calum@localhost]$... not everyone has cable or DSL... I can still remeber myself on a 33.6k, being anoyed by big unnecessary pictures.

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Post by: Fett101 on 12 November 2002, 22:55: quote:
Originally posted by [calum@localhost]$:

if you had to delete it to save space then how can you imply it wasn't big?

and big means either ungainly and awkward, for page scansion, or the posting of more than one or two decent sized images per page (for modem users' benefit).

Had to delete it from my dinky 5mb web space. Was full of crap. Since I have deleted it, I don't remember how big it was. Wish I still had to find out how big it was and if this is just more BS, or was proper concern for those with sad connections.
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Post by: pkd_lives on 12 November 2002, 23:22: Those sad connection people are still around 90% of the internet users in the world. Most do not have the choice, exclusion of such people is not of any benefit to the internet community, and they often pay by the second or minute spent on-line, so waiting a minute or two for a picture to load is costing them money, whereas linking gives them the choice of what to spend their money on.
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Post by: Fett101 on 13 November 2002, 01:59: If they're that concerned then they could always turn images off. Problem solved. Heck. Why dontcha make a streamlined text only version of this site for those poor saps.
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Post by: Wanding Traveler on 13 November 2002, 05:02: Nintendo was only losing $5 with there system but they just worked out a deal were they can start making GameCubes for only $99.
Last I heard (to anwer Ex Eleven / b0b 2.1 question), Microsoft report if they sale as many systems and software they want they will lose $700 million the first year, and $1 billion the next year. There goal for xbox was just to get in to the market. Xbox 2 and online gaming is were there money going to be. BTW Microsoft didn't sale the amount xboxs and software they wanted to, so they problemly are losing more but maybe not (depends on how many systems they sale).
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Post by: TB on 13 November 2002, 19:30: M$ not selling the amount of Xbox's they wanted??? That's a bit of an understatement. In the 9 MONTHS that Xbox has been in Japan they still havent sold off their initial shipment of 500,000 units. I think their sales from february to october in japan totalled about 270,000 units. All you can do is laugh.
Title: How much does Microsoft make
Post by: The Auditor on 15 November 2002, 05:55: quote:
Originally posted by Ex Eleven / b0b 2.1:
How many $$$'s are Microsoft Making per X-Bochs console?

Too much.

The Auditor
Title: How much does Microsoft make
Post by: TB on 15 November 2002, 11:55: So you're saying that the $1 billion+ loss they've already made isn't enough? Well you have a point there. They deserve to lose more...and the current forecasts are for more losses so I'm happy.

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Title: How much does Microsoft make
Post by: Doogee on 15 November 2002, 14:49: quote:
yeah, nevermind that they're a ruthless monopoly or anything... oh wait a minute...

Not trying to be rude here but please explain to me how sony is an evil company.
They arnt a monopoly
1. There are plenty of other record companies
2 there are plenty of other electronic device companies
3 They make very good competition with GCN, X- Botch and all the other console doods

I dont see the deal?!?!

Microsoft: Now THERES a monopoly.
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Post by: Calum on 15 November 2002, 15:03: sony are not a deliberate monopoly. that's the only real difference. Sony have a foothold and they produce a good quality proprietary product to utilise every new generation of technology. This means they have a majority of market share in many areas. They are not a true monopoly yet though as you say. They do have the monopoly on the entire CD and DVD formats though, also they own the patent for VHS don't they? so they have a monopoly on consumer video recording/playing formats for a start, and if not for Edison's records and Phillips' audio cassettes (i used to think Sony had the patent for them too! (http://forum.fuckmicrosoft.com/ubb/icons/icon11.gif)) then Sony would have a monopoly on consumer audio reproduction formats also. As it happens cassettes and records are nearly obsolete now, since the CD came out in 1982. Sony's formats have killed a lot of others over the years too.
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Post by: Kintaro on 15 November 2002, 16:17: sony kick ass -nuff said!
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Post by: Doogee on 16 November 2002, 04:59: good for them, they may own the patent but there no the only ones who make VHS, VHS is dead anyway.

so u think the world would be better if ew were all still using tapes, which are crackly and bad quility, instead of CDs, which, uve got to be honest are a shitload better than a tape anyday.

Sony have bought GOOD products to the market and they are always innovating, so LONG LIVE SONY, especially the game department!
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Post by: Kintaro on 16 November 2002, 21:53: Yea in the same way Floppys are!
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Post by: The Auditor on 18 November 2002, 04:18: 5 and 1/4, how i miss those big felxible disks... and their loud read noises, slow read times, and those lil bombs that cover your screen when they fuck up..

*sigh*

i have just lost my mind.
The Auditor
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Post by: voidmain on 18 November 2002, 04:35: I liked the 8" floppies (http://www.galactic-guide.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Floppy_Disks,_Uses_Of) more. At least you could play frisbee with them.

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Title: How much does Microsoft make
Post by: Doctor V on 18 November 2002, 06:53: quote:
Originally posted by Doogee:

Not trying to be rude here but please explain to me how sony is an evil company.
They arnt a monopoly
1. There are plenty of other record companies
2 there are plenty of other electronic device companies
3 They make very good competition with GCN, X- Botch and all the other console doods

I dont see the deal?!?!

Microsoft: Now THERES a monopoly.

$ony is not a monopoly, but its possible to be evil without being a monopoly. $ony is one of the major parts of the RIAA, which is among the most diabolical organizations on the planet. The RIAA is a oligopoly of large record labels that use collusion to keep complete control over the music industry, and to keep the price of CDs high. They have taken part in the sueing of several small companys such as napster, and audiogalaxy, all in the name of crushing independant artists. They have a reputation for screwing over the musicians who the manager to lure into contract with them. They are also a driving force behind palladium.

V
Title: How much does Microsoft make
Post by: Kintaro on 18 November 2002, 14:24: I thought you where gonna leave, what happend... maybe your wanking hand got cut off. oh how heart breaking.
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Post by: Calum on 18 November 2002, 14:34: don't encourage him, x11.
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Post by: Calum on 18 November 2002, 14:42: quote:
Originally posted by fett101:

Had to delete it from my dinky 5mb web space. Was full of crap. Since I have deleted it, I don't remember how big it was. Wish I still had to find out how big it was and if this is just more BS, or was proper concern for those with sad connections.

fuck you, cunt!
how long do you think it takes to load up 5Mb on a dialup modem? moron. 'just more BS'. YOU have posted more BS in this forum than I have, with your 'dinky' 129 posts. Fuck off and start your own forum if you don't like it, you fuzzy computered moron.
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Post by: KernelPanic on 18 November 2002, 17:43: I'm sure Phillips are the guardian and patent holder of the CD format?
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Post by: Calum on 18 November 2002, 17:46: i'm sure it's sony, isn't it? phillips are in charge of the audio cassette though... am i wrong?
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Post by: KernelPanic on 18 November 2002, 17:49: I think you are because it was Phillips who are saying that they will not allow copy-protected CDs to brand the (http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:zzTXatvijYoC:www.viennasound.com/images/CD-LOGO.JPG) logo
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Post by: KernelPanic on 18 November 2002, 17:52: We're both right because they both own it (http://smile.gif)

EDIT: Actually I am right, Phillips own it. Confusion over.

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Post by: Doogee on 21 November 2002, 15:16: Well im only really talking about SCE (sony computer entertainment) the doods in charge of the ps2 and the games and whatever. they are heaps good.

I know theyre tied in with the "SONY" guys but who cares. Fuck them, i havnt payed for a music CD in 10 years and im 14. What are p2p programs for, lol.
Ive got a ps2 and it kicks ass, the games kick ass, the specs kick ass, the x box sucks, the GCN sucks the x box off at night. The fucking ps2 reigns supreme.
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Post by: Calum on 21 November 2002, 15:27: well, tux has told me off right good and proper, since it looks like sony are not the monopoly i thought them to be!
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Post by: Fett101 on 21 November 2002, 18:36: quote:
Originally posted by -=Doogee=-:
I know theyre tied in with the "SONY" guys but who cares. Fuck them, i havnt payed for a music CD in 10 years and im 14. What are p2p programs for, lol.
Ive got a ps2 and it kicks ass, the games kick ass, the specs kick ass, the x box sucks, the GCN sucks the x box off at night. The fucking ps2 reigns supreme.

Fanboy perhaps?
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Post by: Doogee on 23 November 2002, 14:10: quote:
Originally posted by fett101:

Fanboy perhaps?

Damn straight, foot.
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Post by: Fett101 on 23 November 2002, 20:28: Most people take offense at that since it would mean an ignorant arrogant mofo. But not you. You must be special.
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Post by: Doogee on 24 November 2002, 04:04: no well i dont take offence cos i am a FAN and im a guy (can also be called boy) so yes i am a fan and i am a boy.

Thanks for calling me special, Foot, im sure we are going to get along GREAT!