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All Things Microsoft => Microsoft Hardware => Topic started by: billy_gates on 29 November 2001, 07:37
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The XBox Rocks compared to the Jap Consoles
Especially the Controller.
It Feels like you actually holding something other than cheap plastic. Yaaaa!!!!
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i'm sure it's fun and all, but xbox is a computer running windows 2000. . with 10 games available for it. it's ridiculous how much money people are willing to spend on these things.
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hey billy.. :D :D hey billy (http://http://)
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Originally posted by Billy Gates:
The XBox Rocks compared to the Jap Consoles
Right. I'm sure that, unlike the "Jap" [sic] consoles, the XBox is 100% Made In America!
(zzzzzzz)
Well, what do I know; I don't do console gaming anyway . . .
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I saw some screenshots of X-box games, and they looked pretty *gulp* good actually. Well, I'd still wait for that Game Cube by Nintendo. I Love Zelda. It is one of the best games for the N64 console, in my opinion.
The only bad thing about this transition into CD-ROM only consoles is that thier is no longer a ligit excuse for getting ROMs off of the Internet.
I'll still do it anyway.
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I've seen people pirating X-Box, Gamecube, and PS2 games on Warez channels already. I know it's quite easy to play copied games on PSX and DC, but is it just as simple with these newer systems? What's involved to make them play backups? Gamecube looks pretty interesting to me, but I'm not about to pay $50 a game.
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N64 came out with some pretty damn descent games... zelda, golden eye, but in the long run it got rocked by playstation
hopefully playstation will pull it off again
if it doesn't... i'm afraid x box will take the cookie
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Never underestimate the Japanese gaming companies, they'll beat the XXX-Box anyday. :D
BTW, isn't M$ plastic lower quality than cheap plastic, and so you would rather use a crappier controller?
Unless they come up with something worthwhile, I don't think the XXX-Box will get far.
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i wonder how long it'll take for someone to hack linux into an xbox
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lol anyting that was made in a nickel an hour sweat shop isn't good quality
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Originally posted by asdf:
i wonder how long it'll take for someone to hack linux into an xbox
I'm guessing 30 seconds.
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did u know that....
N64 was made with red hat linux
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Xbox is incredibly. Gamecube "cought" "wheee" can't breath okay.
I would say that Gamecube is for kiddie, no DVD, not the greatest sound, on the bright side it's cheap.
Xbox, awesome graphic and sound(surround sound) but the dark side is EXPENSIVE.
I got PlayStation 2 Which is good enought for me. Can't wait of Metal Gear 2 and Final Fastasy
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a wiseman once said "you get what you pay for"
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Originally posted by <Technonerd>:
Xbox is incredibly.
Incredibly what? :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by <Technonerd>:
Gamecube "cought" "wheee" can't breath okay.
You have yourself an incomplete clause there.
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Originally posted by <Technonerd>:
I would say that Gamecube is for kiddie, no DVD, not the greatest sound, on the bright side it's cheap.
Xbox, awesome graphic and sound(surround sound) but the dark side is EXPENSIVE.
I got PlayStation 2 Which is good enought for me.
Awesome graphic. So the only reason to get an XXX-Box is for one picture? Wow, that's pathetic and incredibly irrational.
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Originally posted by <Technonerd>:
Can't wait of Metal Gear 2 and Final Fastasy
Goddamnit man, how many years have you been left back in school?
:D
[ November 30, 2001: Message edited by: k3it4r0u ]
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By the way, with Dreamcasts going for $50 now, is it worth grabbing one up? I'm not that big on gaming, but it's fun now and then. (FYI, all I own now is a Playstation -- the first one -- and a few games. So like I said, I'm not exactly on the cutting edge.)
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It'll cost you more to buy a game than buying the Dreamcast itself-a lot of games have gone out of production including the ever-so-popular Marvel vs. Capcom 2.
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FYI, Capcom is selling Dreamcast games at 20$ each now.
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Originally posted by The Webmaster:
By the way, with Dreamcasts going for $50 now, is it worth grabbing one up? I'm not that big on gaming, but it's fun now and then. (FYI, all I own now is a Playstation -- the first one -- and a few games. So like I said, I'm not exactly on the cutting edge.)
If you like cool games (skies of arcadia, grandia 2, tony hawk 1/2, crazy taxi and the list goes on and on and on....) and don't want to spend (insert cost of xbox/ps2/gamecube here, I'm dutch so they're not out here yet :( ) on a console, go for it.
My dreamcast is one of the few things I didn't regret buying (and I even spend a hell of a lot more then 50$ on it seeing I imported mine from the US when sega still made em)
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x-box sucks compared to other consoles.
Just go to some good game review site:
PS2 and Gamecube game get 8 or 9.
x-box games never score higher then 7.
I've even heard the x-box crashes sometimes.
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I don't see how Macrohard is expecting to make any money off the XXX-Box, anyway. It really shouldn't be that hard to set up a hack that allows you to play those games on a Winblows PC . . .
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Yo guys, wasssuupp! I know x-box is basically a Win 2K shell in a box, so in theory, could you emulate the xbox on PC, and just download the games, or am I chattin shit??!!
Anyone????
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i know it does not run any version of winblows
1) It boots way too fast
2) It has all sorts of copy protection for the software and it does not say once anything about Winblows.
3) It never crashes.
The only bad thing about it so far is the processor (Intel Sucks - They are so slow). Microsoft probably could have made a profit if they put an Athlon 1GHz. And it would be faster too
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the problem i see with the xbox is the fact that its made by Microsoft. you think they will let it die? hell no.. they will subsidize it lower its cost and put out games that people want. my prediction is that Nintendo will be driven out of buisness, and that sony will drop from the console buisness. if you think i'm irational look at the peons who actually paid for windoze. some appear to be intelligent infact. microsoft will come out on top... and that will be a sad day indeed.... :(
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Originally posted by Billy Gates:
i know it does not run any version of winblows
1) It boots way too fast
The thing that slows Winblows down on bootup is usually their half-ass networking drivers. Take that out and you significantly reduce the bootup time.
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2) It has all sorts of copy protection for the software and it does not say once anything about Winblows.
Obviously it wouldn't be running the full version of Winblows, so it's not going to behave like Winblows (i.e. using the Winblows kernel won't make a Winblows spalsh screen come up). In any case, the X-Box does use DirectX, which in turn usually runs on Winblows - thus the reason people come to the conclusion that the X-Box runs a watered down version of Winblows . . .
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3) It never crashes.
Okay, you've got me there! (-;
Really, though, this goes back to using the kernel versus using the whole OS. If the only stuff in memory is the kernel, the DirectX drivers, and the game, then it shouldn't be too hard to keep things from conflicting and causing a crash.
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The only bad thing about it so far is the processor (Intel Sucks - They are so slow). Microsoft probably could have made a profit if they put an Athlon 1GHz. And it would be faster too
In any case, the fact that they are using an Intel processor in the thing means that it is possible to simply make a run-time environment to play the games on the PC. The only thing stopping that right now is the copy-protection; however, given M$'s wonderful track record in security we can expect a crack to surface rather quicly.
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Originally posted by Zeldario:
x-box sucks compared to other consoles.
Just go to some good game review site:
PS2 and Gamecube game get 8 or 9.
x-box games never score higher then 7.
I've even heard the x-box crashes sometimes.
Yeah dude, microsoft sucks. It runs windoze 2000.
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Originally posted by k3it4r0u:
It'll cost you more to buy a game than buying the Dreamcast itself-a lot of games have gone out of production including the ever-so-popular Marvel vs. Capcom 2.
Actually, you can download the games off the internet and burn them on to a CD.
some friends of mine are doing it and it seems to be working good.
by the way, an awesome game for dreamcast is: SoulCalibur.
(a console version of the arcade game: SoulEdge) :cool:
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Originally posted by Billy Gates:
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3) It never crashes.
actually, i heard on the radio that it has been crashing :cool:
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The Xbox is big bone of contention with me at present. With a frankly ridiculous price over here (50,000 yen!!) and the fact that it is the size of a small house, not to mention that Bungie (the noble defectors) have bodged up "Halo" (then again being the naive fool I am, I was half expecting a next-generation "Marathon"). In short, colour me unhappy!
On a slightly more encouraging anti-Microsoft chord, their stall at this Autumn's "Tokyo Game Show" was practically empty (bar the odd fat foreigner). Even with the leather clad bimbettes patrolling the stall, most of the Japanese attendees avoided M$'s sorry arsed affair. Even the lame PR stunt that Gates tried to pull on the SEGA stall backfired rather amusingly - nobody took a blind bit of notice.
As for the Dreamcast, it is a sturdy little piece of kit and cheap too. If you are interested in picking up a few gems for it, here are some recommendations:
Virtual On Oratorio Tangram
Mobile Suit Gundam: Rise from the Ashes
Bangaio
Phantasy Star Online
Metropolis Street Racer
Guilty Gear X
Virtua Fighter 3tb
Dead or Alive 2
Power Stone
Power Stone 2
Grandia 2
Skies of Arcadia
House of the Dead 2
...and the list goes on...
Mata aouze,
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The Xbox is a big gob of poo...
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Consoles aren't my thing. But I have heard good things about the X-Box!
Anyway.. what is this about Windows having bad boot time? WTF? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. My system runs Win2k (don't worry, I run Linux also), and Win2K boots in 30 seconds. I have a peer-to-peer network with a 98 machine, the 98 machine being the server (so I don't have to be connected). When I had 9x loaded on my system, it took about 10 seconds to load. Same with WinME and WinXP.
Linux takes much longer than Win2K to boot up. So wtf is with associating Winbloze and bad boot time? That's ludicrous. Some people bash out of ignorant stupidity.
Anyway... carry on. (http://tongue.gif)
[ December 15, 2001: Message edited by: triploop ]
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The only bad thing about it so far is the processor (Intel Sucks - They are so slow). Microsoft probably could have made a profit if they put an Athlon 1GHz. And it would be faster too
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It would've been a terrible idea to stick an AMD Athlon in the XBox because then it would be a fire hazzard. AMD CPUs run way too hot and they have problems with some games(especially on Via chipsets). I'm sure people wouldn't want thier (...) console to run at 55-60c(hot enough to emmit heat like a little space heater). BTW, the Pentium III is as fast as an equivalently clocked Athlon minus all of the thermal and crashing issues.
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[ September 09, 2002: Message edited by: Refalm ]
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They should've stuck a Pentium 4 Northwood in the XBox. It totally dominates the Athlon.
(http://theroadwarrior.hypermart.net/northwood.gif)
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Originally posted by <Joshua>:
They should've stuck a Pentium 4 Northwood in the XBox. It totally dominates the Athlon.
Looks like you are comparing apples to oranges here and to me the specs look better on the oranges (AMD). Looks like the lower Mhz AMD chips are outperforming the higher Mhz Intel chips. Why did you only compare with older slower Athalon chips? And I would like to see a pretty bar graph comparing prices as well. I'll save you the trouble. This (http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q4/011031/index.html) article clearly shows that in Price/Performance comparisons you will pay twice as much for an Intel processor and keeping the cost of the box down was the subject you were responding too.
I would agree that the cooling factor would be more of the issue (more noise with the AMD) and the cost of the cooling system.
[ December 16, 2001: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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Look at the top graph(the red and blue one) you (...). The CPUs in Orange and Green(Athlons, classic P4s and Athlon MPs) do not come close to touching the Northwood.
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Originally posted by <Joeseph>:
Look at the top graph(the red and blue one) you (...). The CPUs in Orange and Green(Athlons, classic P4s and Athlon MPs) do not come close to touching the Northwood.
Like I said, what do you have to pay for one of these? Do you really think they could sell one of those piece of crap X-Crocks for the price one would have to pay with this CPU included? Right now AMD has more bang for the buck.
[ December 16, 2001: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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Originally posted by <Joeseph>:
Look at the top graph(the red and blue one) you (...). The CPUs in Orange and Green(Athlons, classic P4s and Athlon MPs) do not come close to touching the Northwood.
Compare the speeds of all the chips involved, dumbshit.
Let's see, a 2Ghz chip outperforms a 1.6 and lower?!? No fucking way?!?!?!?
Fucking idiot.
The only thing that SHOULD be done with an XXXX-Box is target practice. Intel architecture in a gaming system?? WHY?!? I don't care WHAT chip you use, Intel/AMD/Cyrix/etc., the architecture is just SHITTY.
[ September 09, 2002: Message edited by: Refalm ]
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Please don't tell me you think that a gaming console should have a RISC processor(Like a G4).
RISC CPUs are not good for 3D Graphics rendering. Seriously, a G4 could not run most of the games the XBOX has to offer/will have to offer very well. The games would have lots of slow downs, FPS stuttering, etc. High speed x86 CISC CPUs can render 3D Graphics quite well because of the way the architecture works.
I have a question for you. Are you by any chance related to Forest Gump? (http://zombie9920.homestead.com/files/roflmao.gif)
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play station 3 on the way...... should be better than the xbox, after all, m|croshaft do tend to hide there mistakes. What new ones do you think come with the xbox????
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Originally posted by <Zombie9920>:
Please don't tell me you think that a gaming console should have a RISC processor(Like a G4).
RISC CPUs are not good for 3D Graphics rendering. Seriously, a G4 could not run most of the games the XBOX has to offer/will have to offer very well. The games would have lots of slow downs, FPS stuttering, etc. High speed x86 CISC CPUs can render 3D Graphics quite well because of the way the architecture works.
I have a question for you. Are you by any chance related to Forest Gump? (http://zombie9920.homestead.com/files/roflmao.gif)
Ooh. Clever. You are now bashing me for things I never said. I never said they should use a Risc processor in a gaming system; I did say the Intel architecture is a piece of shit. Two entirely different ideas, although they may appear related to the untrained eye.
Oh, and by the way, high speed x86 CPUs pass the buck to the high speed chip on the AGP card and let it render the graphics, which is the real reason why the Intel architecture has high-speed graphics: through one of the hacks it is famous for. The architecture used in modern PCs is a hack on a hack on a hack . . . carry that out ad nauseam and you'll get the idea. That is why it's a piece of shit, not because of which processor it uses.
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Umm, in any case, if G4s suck so bad at rendering, why is rendering graphics exactly what the Macintosh platform is used for???
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The G4 is good at rendering 2D images(like video). It's 3D rendering performace isn't anywhere near x86(which is a big reason why there aren't many good games for the Mac). Macs have the GeForce video card+GPU available for them now....but the G4 processor doesn't have the muscle to push the GeForce like 1ghz+ x86 CPUs have. Even with a GeForce 3 a Mac usually can't push any more than 40FPS when rendering 3D images.
[ December 19, 2001: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
The G4 is good at rendering 2D images(like video). It's 3D rendering performace isn't anywhere near x86(which is a big reason why there aren't many good games for the Mac). Macs have the GeForce video card+GPU available for them now....but the G4 processor doesn't have the muscle to push the GeForce like 1ghz+ x86 CPUs have. Even with a GeForce 3 a Mac usually can't push any more than 40FPS when rendering 3D images.
[ December 19, 2001: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
Actually, the fact that sales for games are much more lucrative on the x86 side than the PPC side is pretty much THE reason that there aren't many games for Mac OS.
In any case, the Mhz has NOTHING to do with it. In the case of communication between two seperate chips (in this case the CPU and GPU) the bus speed is much more important, and Mac systems have much better performance in that area.
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Originally posted by triploop:
Anyway.. what is this about Windows having bad boot time? WTF? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. My system runs Win2k (don't worry, I run Linux also), and Win2K boots in 30 seconds. I have a peer-to-peer network with a 98 machine, the 98 machine being the server (so I don't have to be connected). When I had 9x loaded on my system, it took about 10 seconds to load. Same with WinME and WinXP.
Linux takes much longer than Win2K to boot up. So wtf is with associating Winbloze and bad boot time? That's ludicrous. Some people bash out of ignorant stupidity.
[ December 15, 2001: Message edited by: triploop ]
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Surely the boot time is determined largely by what needs to be done at the time of booting? Such as loading drivers, checking for connections, making sure all the expected hardware is still there and loading up all those useless crappy background programs that windows is so fond of running. Well done on getting lucky, but my laptop (a 900 Mhz P3 w/ 128 Mb RAM) loads up Win98 in between 3 and 4 minutes. It was the same with WinMe when i had it installed. This is not ignorant stupidity on my part, just the ability to count.
Ok... Carry on. (http://tongue.gif)
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(omg, the front page news story on msnbc.com is all about bill gates giving money to charity... talk about your fronts)
Heh, there are already several (http://www.xbox-linux.org/) projects (http://www.osopinion.com/perl/story/8895.html) to port *nixes to the XBox.
Me? Hell, I'd much rather have seen it that the Indrema had lived, it would provide me with an alternative to all the dumbasses (http://boards.gamers.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=egm&id=zyfkz) (yes, I own a gamecube) on various console gaming forums (I run through them just to see idiots)
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how much does a decent AMD processor cost?
compared to a Intel? :confused:
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Druaga, here is a link, which may tell you roughly the difference, although i think there is a thread about this elsewhere. Anyway, here's the link:
http://www.redhill.net.au/hw-cpu-test-cost.html (http://www.redhill.net.au/hw-cpu-test-cost.html)
Lots of comparison tables and graphs there.
or maybe try:
http://shopper.cnet.com/shopping/0-3339098-301-0-0.html?tag=st.co.1016.dir.shopping-3339098 (http://shopper.cnet.com/shopping/0-3339098-301-0-0.html?tag=st.co.1016.dir.shopping-3339098)
which has a few cpus and their spec and prices. Don't forget though that intel take a higher clock speed to do the same job, due to a more efficient floating point calculation rate (or so i am led to believe although i haven't really got a clue!) find out the rough sketch at:
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-504012.html?legacy=zdnn (http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-504012.html?legacy=zdnn)
Hope that is helpful, other than that, you might have to trawl through the hardware/shopping sites to get what you want, good luck...
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Somthing about X-box.
Microsoft loses hundreds of dollars for every sale. The specs for X-box are much higher than that of Nintendo Gamecube, and PS2. M$ dosn't mind losing the money, they can easily afford it with their OS monopoly, they just want to take over the market. After that they will raise the prices for these systems to unimaginable levels (look how much XP costs now that M$ is a monopoly). Stay away from X-box, the entire vidoe game industry is at steak.
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Well the Xbox has great graphics becuz of the Geforce3... Besides that it'll be a piece of SHIT! Trust me.
Xbox: 700mhz PIII
PS2: 300mhz unknown proc to me anyways
Gamecube: I dunno
I rather play PS2 then XBOX. Besides I like the games for PS2 more than XBOX. Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty is great.
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Let's remember boys and girls to a time far far away. When saying 8-bits of power really blew people away.
Remember that the NES was an incredibly underpowerd system, not much more powerfull than an Apple IIe. Yet when the SMS came out with its larger color palett and faster processor (it was almost a 16-bit unit) did it make a dent? No. Why? Because the NES had games that rocked, it rocked so hard infact that even when the Genisis came out the NES stayed the top system for about 3 more years (that being when the SNES came out and the Genisis and SNES were kind of head to head for a while with Nintendo ultimately winning).
So, let's recap. Are you a sucker who buys stuff cuz the cover looks all candy coated, and it's loud, and it's "cool"? Or are you actually geting a GAME system whose GAMES are FUN!?
I like to think of the X-Box like one of those huge Ford-pickups and the other systems like a well built Mercedes. The X-Box is big, expensive, flashy, takes up to much space, you don't need something that big or powefull (i.e. excessive) is not efficient, and handles like a brick.
the other systems are sleek, well designed, and deliver what they promiss for years to come.
[ February 20, 2002: Message edited by: psyjax ]
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Well the X-Crocks needs that extra power to turn that crank on Win2k and to gather all of your personal info and gaming/tv habits for teleporting back to Microsoft.
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Originally posted by Billy Gates:
The XBox Rocks compared to the Jap Consoles
Especially the Controller.
It Feels like you actually holding something other than cheap plastic. Yaaaa!!!!
OHH my lord!!!
Who is this guy??
As I have said before and Ill say it again, the XBox controller resembles a dinner plate with two fat sausages as handles, it is pathetic!
The GameCube absolutely shits all over that oversized black briefcase with the green X on it.
What is the go with all these Microsoft supporters hanging around anyway, fuck off to your inferior Operating systems!
[ February 21, 2002: Message edited by: Oni Link ]
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Originally posted by Billy Gates:
i know it does not run any version of winblows
1) It boots way too fast
2) It has all sorts of copy protection for the software and it does not say once anything about Winblows.
3) It never crashes.
The only bad thing about it so far is the processor (Intel Sucks - They are so slow). Microsoft probably could have made a profit if they put an Athlon 1GHz. And it would be faster too
If MS would've used an Athlon processor I'm sure that there would've been alot of customer complaints about how the X-Box runs too hot. People don't buy consoles to use as a space heater you know. ;)
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I'd just like to state, without reading this entire thread, that hardly anything in the Xbox is made in America. MS bought the parts from other companies. The CPU is a Mobile Celeron from Intel, which could be made in any number of countries, the 5x Toshiba DVD is made in Japan, the 64megs of SHARED DDR is made in Japan or Taiwan, the Castrated GF3 is made in Taiwan.
And its controllers are too big, they give my hand muscle cramps. The rumblers are cheap junk, notice how you can hear them in the next room? Think you can hear the PS2's rumblers? Nope, heck, my bro was sitting right next to me when I was playing FFX and he could not hear the rumblers.
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The fact that M$ are losing at least US$75 per console sold makes me laugh at it. But that's what you get when you buy practically all the parts from 3rd party companies. You'd think with M$'s thirst for money they would've done what Sony did with PS and PS2 - build the console completely in-house from the ground up.
The fact is nobody is going to topple Sony from it's high perch in the console market. Just by taking a look at sales figures proves this. In December '01 PS2 sales in USA and Japan DOUBLED compared to the same time the previous year. And this at a time where XBox and Gamecube were supposedly going to pose a threat to PS2 (i correct myself........Gamecube was NEVER a threat).
It's simply a case of too little too late for M$ and Nintendo. Although it was rather stupid to think that M$ and Nintendo could compete with Sony by releasing consoles inferior to the PS2 more than a year after PS2's release.
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Originally posted by TB:
The fact that M$ are losing at least US$75 per console sold makes me laugh at it. But that's what you get when you buy practically all the parts from 3rd party companies. You'd think with M$'s thirst for money they would've done what Sony did with PS and PS2 - build the console completely in-house from the ground up.
The fact is nobody is going to topple Sony from it's high perch in the console market. Just by taking a look at sales figures proves this. In December '01 PS2 sales in USA and Japan DOUBLED compared to the same time the previous year. And this at a time where XBox and Gamecube were supposedly going to pose a threat to PS2 (i correct myself........Gamecube was NEVER a threat).
It's simply a case of too little too late for M$ and Nintendo. Although it was rather stupid to think that M$ and Nintendo could compete with Sony by releasing consoles inferior to the PS2 more than a year after PS2's release.
I dont believe nintendo is bent on being #1. While i know ps2 will squash the Xbox, the nintendo is doing its own thing. The gamecube isn't an inferior machine, its built to do what they want it to do, and priced reasonably. Anyone that thinks nintendo will simply be destroyed needs to rethink history, and check out all the games nintendo has unleashed.
Me myself, i'd buy a gamecube just for nintendo's games, ps2 for third party. Sony will never make games that will match nintendo's, but their machine will pick up 3rd parties, no doubt about that.
Leave the bashing to the xbox .. the gamecube will do just fine, the ps2 will undoubtabley rein as king.
And all peace will be restored to the troll community known as video game land (http://smile.gif) .
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I'm not sure, maybe I'm on crack here (either tha or somebody else is)
But as yet there are NO pirated Xbox games, roms or whatever, or even a working emulator.
Much as I hate M$, they have put a lot of thought into how they will stop people ripping them off. They have to, if they really are running at a loss on the consoles. (Ever heard of giving away the razor and selling the blades?)
There is a hell of a lot of copy protection and whatever else in this system, and also, as far as I am aware, the game DVDs are designed to spin backwards, making it VERY hard to read in your PC DVD drive.
The Xbox will do well, because M$ are good at making people buy expensive things they dont really need/want, and the majority of people dont know any better. The Gamecube may have some much more enjoyable games, but for some people that doesnt matter. My money at the moment is on the PS2, because it already has a strong following, and a decent games list
(this is of course coming from someone who hasnt bought a console since the saturn)
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You'd think with M$'s thirst for money they would've done what Sony did with PS and PS2 - build the console completely in-house from the ground up.
Ho Ho Ho! :D
Microsoft even farm out the design and manufacture of their (so called) Microsoft mice, do you think they are able to come up with a scratch built game-optimised hardware/software combo?
And it's a shame Nintendo are taking it on the chin. There was a time i would have said that was a good thing (being a sega nut!) but sega made the mistake of releasing too many different consoles at once, then not supporting any of them adequately. They are now software only, and if Nintendo goes the same way, Sony will be another Microsoft.
Let's face it, they already are. M$ are small fry, in fact, compared with the hideous AOL Time Warner, and Sony, of course M$' business practices and their attitude to product support make them stand out.
(i already have a chip on my shoulder about Sony because they hold patents for the standard audio cassette, the VHS cassette (incl ADAT), DAT cassette, Minidisc, Compact Disc (including CDR, VCD, SVCD, CDROM and CDRW) and DVD. Monopoly Central! They ran every competing audio/visual storage format out of business, eg records (patent held by Edison Corp i think), 8-track (which was a crap format anyway), Betamax (which WAS a far superior format to VHS) and those little digital tape things that weren't DAT (where did they go?) to name but a few. Aren't sony responsible for floppy disks too? or am i making that up?)
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Originally posted by Calum:
Ho Ho Ho! :D
Microsoft even farm out the design and manufacture of their (so called) Microsoft mice, do you think they are able to come up with a scratch built game-optimised hardware/software combo?
And it's a shame Nintendo are taking it on the chin. There was a time i would have said that was a good thing (being a sega nut!) but sega made the mistake of releasing too many different consoles at once, then not supporting any of them adequately. They are now software only, and if Nintendo goes the same way, Sony will be another Microsoft.
SEGA made the mistakes of releasing the wrong consoles (somehow the saturn springs to mind) for a wrong price, or releasing the right console but without any marketing behind it (not once did I see a dreamcast advertisment on dutch television)
The big difference here between nintendo and sega is that nintendo is one big marketing machine (they don't do hype, they do phenomena (mario, zelda or pokemon anyone?)) and has the cash reserve to design non profitable consoles for the next few generations (while the N64 was losing money bigtime, nintendo was still raking it in because of the gameboy/gameboy color/pokemon, now even if the gamecube is a financial disaster, guess how much money big N earns with the gameboy advance (takes a look at the GBA lying next to him (http://smile.gif) ))
and consider that SEGA never really was a console company, the arcade has allways been their turf (a place nintendo is hardly seen, unless it's a team up between them and rare (which means rare makes the game and big N supplies the hardware)
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Originally posted by Calum:
And it's a shame Nintendo are taking it on the chin.
Their not really. As someone said earlyer nintendo is doing it's own thing. In japan, it's head to head with the PS2 almost because the largest game market is for younger kids, like 9-12. Do you think they wanna play games that are bloody and violent (ok ok.... do you think they should (http://smile.gif) ?
Furthermore, nintendo right now, is the manufacturer of the best selling consol of all time. The Gameboy. Do you realize that this machine has been around since 1989, is still a hot seller, and has beat out the Atari 2600 as both the most popular, and longest live consol of all time.
Also, last time I looked the Gamecube was not doing too bad. It's coming lineup of games looks teriffic, and I know I'm getting one. I think most people who buy PS2's will eventualy buy a Gamecube. To me, console gaming would never be the same without the classic nintendo titles and craftsmanship. More than any other game company I think nintendo are the most creative, and sport one of the best team of game designers ever.
As far as Sony is concerned, thir big but not quite predatory like M$.
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Nintendo just picked up the biggest RPG software in the world as well .. square. Im starting to think m$ doesn't have a chance but maybe in the US. Ahh well, one less monopoly for them ;) .
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Obviously billy gates is just another Microsoft Junkie who needs to get his fix of internet explorer and windows XP topped off with a bit of XBOX (Evil with a capital X)
Then a bit of Clipit and maybe a bit of
MICROSOFT ACTIVATION. And a nicely colored slice of MSN.
He like microsoft so much that he even want's to be the like the CEO (Just look at his name)
Dumbass
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X11, thanks for lifting the tone of this discussion with your witty repartee, now why not crawl back under your stone?
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Originally posted by Zeldario:
x-box sucks compared to other consoles.
Just go to some good game review site:
PS2 and Gamecube game get 8 or 9.
x-box games never score higher then 7.
I've even heard the x-box crashes sometimes.
Damn, aren't we just liberal? Sometimes? *Slaps Zeldario across the face*
All the time. I know two people that bought the Xbox. Both crashed and are out of comission permanently. $300 down the drain, because Microfuck's warrantly is void *they abused the shitty hardware or some bullshit*
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Oh yeah! Those who says that XBox is better than PS2 dont know what they are talking about!
There is nothing special about XBox. And my opinion is that it is an atempt to take costumers away from Sony (PS2) and Nintendo, so that Microsoft and can earn some extra money. Xbox is nothing but a cheap replacement for PS2.
Beside, PS2 has features that Xbox doesn't have. Example: PS2 allows you to see DVD movies, but the XBox doesn't.
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My one big problem with the ps2 is that it's a bitch to program for efficiently with it's 16 instruction pipelines (which basically means only third or fourth generation games will utalize the true potential of the machine, quite similar as to what happened with the N64), the lack of hardware anti aliasing is also a big drawback imo.
Furthermore it is pretty inefficient with 2d graphics (do a comparison of capcom vs snk 2 on the dreamcast and on the ps2 to understand what I mean, and no, 2d graphics are not dead yet....).
Even sony admits that the ps2 can't compete with the gamecube/xbox on a purely hardware pov, which is why they have already (but not officialy AFAIK) announced the ps3.
I'll just stick to my dreamcast for now and wait a bit till the gamecube is available here, I'm not going to pay 479 euro for an xbox even if I wanted one (in comparison to the 249 euro which a gamecube will cost when it is available here)
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Whatever! Xbox is nothing but crap. PS2 Rules....
End of discussion! :mad: