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All Things Microsoft => Microsoft as a Company => Topic started by: voidmain on 20 September 2002, 21:00
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http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=232 (http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=232)
Looks like I'll be finally buying that Mac/PPC soon to run my Linux on. Unless they are planning on joining the Palladium "fucker list" too.
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Advanced Micro Devices will include Microsoft's Palladium "trusted" -- meaning Microsoft-approved software only -- support in its next generation of chips, according to published reports.
The Opteron chip, to be released in 2003, will refuse to run applications or display content that has not been digitally signed by Microsoft or one if its designees. This, Microsoft says, will increase security. Certainly it will increase the security of Microsoft Corporation and its shareholders.
[ September 20, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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I will try to get a SPARC.
Is there a ppc version of redhat?
[ September 20, 2002: Message edited by: The Master of Reality / Bob ]
[ September 20, 2002: Message edited by: The Master of Reality / Bob ]
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Originally posted by The Master of Reality / Bob:
SPARC
I run UltraSparc at work but it's still way too expensive for home...
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there's a ppc version of mandrake and also of SuSE according to this page here (http://www.newtolinux.org.uk/articles/whichdistro.html).
Red hat runs on alpha, intel/amd and itanium according to that page.
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I would probably try out YDL first since it was from the beginning targeted for running on Mac/PPC.
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anybody actually tried it? i have not heard much about yellow dog, maybe i should get somebody to post a new topic if they have used it, either in the unix or mac forums. Oddly, the mac forum seems more relevant!
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Hey guys, you can chill out. and take pill. the biggest buyers of AMD chips are *nixers., Clusterers, and the like. So if AMD truly followed a no holds barred bargain with Micro$haft, to run only M$ $oftware, AMD will go under within a year of releasing the new Opteron specification.
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Can I install Linux on a computer with a Palladium setting inside?
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Not according to the article, unless there is a way to turn "off" the Palladium features which it appears they are trying to pass laws preventing that. But I guess we will have to wait and see since it's not out yet. I'm sure these questions will be answered before it's released. And it's going to be tough making other laws which require the use of Open source if possible, when they have a conflicting law preventing running open source software on said hardware. Ahhhh, it's all starting to make sense. (http://smile.gif)
[ September 20, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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Hey guys, you can chill out. and take pill. the biggest buyers of AMD chips are *nixers., Clusterers, and the like. So if AMD truly followed a no holds barred bargain with Micro$haft, to run only M$ $oftware, AMD will go under within a year of releasing the new Opteron specification.
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Uh, I don't think so... AMD has been making all kinds of deals with M$ and *NIX would be a very small fraction of their users. AMD is already a member of the TCPA. And where do you think the name "XP" comes from in "Athlon XP"?
I would venture to say that Intel is much more widely used to run Linux on than AMD, at least on the server end where Linux is most popular. I have seen more AMD/M$ love making lately than Intel/M$. Of course Intel is also a member of the TCPA but Intel has done a lot of Linux R&D which pisses M$ off to no end and could cause them to make even more deals with AMD just to threaten Intel.
Now who's the most evil? I say they are equally evil as long as they are members of the TCPA and support Palladium. But I do like the current non-Palladium Athlon XPs.
[ September 20, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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Originally posted by void main:
Not according to the article, unless there is a way to turn "off" the Palladium features which it appears they are trying to pass laws preventing that. But I guess we will have to wait and see since it's not out yet. I'm sure these questions will be answered before it's released. And it's going to be tough making other laws which require the use of Open source if possible, when they have a conflicting law preventing running open source software on said hardware. Ahhhh, it's all starting to make sense. (http://smile.gif)
[ September 20, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
Unfortunately The TCPA fetures would be turned off after OS initialisation meaning that us linux users are fscked.
And to be honest I am rgetting very worried about the lack of media attention to this. By the time the brown stuff hits the proverbial blades then it will be too late.
I might have to start hassling the British media.
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I was more hoping for a BIOS switch that could just be toggled in the BIOS menu... Any other way would just be completely unacceptable. I guess you better double up on those CPU fans to keep the old processors running as long as possible...
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*MuffinMan (Dustin) kisses his PowerBook*
Hehe...I have the way out... of Palladium :D
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Isn't Apple thinking of going with IBM PPC? IBM is also part of TCPA, which is confusing to me because they have also dumped over a billion in Linux. My guess is that IBM being part of TCPA might be a good thing. They will hopefully make sure the shenanigans are kept to a minimum...
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maybe that's exactly why IBM are in it? remember, all these firms are motivated by self interest though, no matter how much they 'embrace'the open source 'ethic'. The only way to get this overturned is to give one of those biggies an incentive to keep out of the TCPA bullshit. What about Motorola, what's their state of play these days?
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I'm not clear on IBM's Linux strategy but IBM are touting Linux to run on the iSeries (AS400) servers in a partition. Obviously not much use for the home user but for business it is very appealing. I just wish I had the time to delve into it and get the ball rolling. I fully intend on booting M$ out of the workplace altogether.
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Originally posted by void main:
http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=232 (http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=232)
Looks like I'll be finally buying that Mac/PPC soon to run my Linux on. Unless they are planning on joining the Palladium "fucker list" too.
[ September 20, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
Fuck that :mad: I'm getting a Mac when this shit hits the market! I always wanted to anyway :D
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I have an Athlon XP 2100+ and a geforce 4 ti4600. I doubt I'll need to upgrade for another 6 years. Especially since Linux seems to get less resource hungry with each release instead of more like Windoze. (which is deliberately done by M$ to force you to get new hardware, we all know that) And if 6 years from now you can only buy TCPA hardware then I'll have to either get a Macintosh (assuming they don't have Palladium-like processors in them by then) or I'll just stick with my old computer, which is only "obsolete" because M$ wants it that way.
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I will never buy a mac(ok 10 years from now... maybe), but I will never go to Palladium either. Suppose I'll build the best I can get on non-TCPA hardware, be a linux d00d, and do alot of cool stuff. As long as they can't keep the net from us, they can't fully win. Still it sounds like a sad future. I hope something goes awry with their plans.
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they're planning on only letting TCPA based computers to access webpages that run TCPA webservers. And that will probably be alot of webservers, unfortunatly.
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I am on AMD simply because i wanted to support this company and it truly kicks ass.
But if AMD becomes another MS ho, then I will buy a mobo that supports 4 CPUS, buy 4 CPUS a generation just before the TCPA ones and let it rip for years and years with a kick ass cooling system.
after that If TCPA is still going strong, am sure there will be an alternative out there.
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I will never buy a mac(ok 10 years from now... maybe), but I will never go to Palladium either. Suppose I'll build the best I can get on non-TCPA hardware, be a linux d00d, and do alot of cool stuff. As long as they can't keep the net from us, they can't fully win. Still it sounds like a sad future. I hope something goes awry with their plans.
Try not to worry, man. I'm sure something will go wrong with their nefarious scheme. Microsoft is already extremely lucky to have gotten this big, and if it pushes its luck any further with this shit it could backfire tremendously. Not everyone wants to suck Bill Gate's dick after all. And, Zeus forbid, if the internet becomes all "Palladium-ized" one day, where only Windows machines can access the 'net, we'll just have to form our own internet! Nothing save making all non-M$ software illegal in every country on Earth will stop open source.
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Or as Charlton Heston would put it:
If they outlaw GPL software, then only outlaws will have GPL software.
[ September 20, 2002: Message edited by: Orc Peon ]
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exactly.
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Might not be a bad idea to flood AMD with mail (electronic and paper) and let them know how we feel about this.
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You guys are sitting there scared of microsoft. Well guess what, Im scared of nothing. Bring Palladium on. Im a computer programmer. If its the last thing I do, whether it is legal or illegal, I will make a version of linux that will run on this hardware type. I will find a way past microsoft's "so-called" security, I will do everything in my power to make sure that Microsoft never wins. There is no such thing as perfect security, and we all know this, so dont worry.
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Well, if it's anything like the x-box security, it will cost you thousands (as in 15,000 bucks) of dollars to crack the security. Not in legal fees or anything, but in hardware. The guy that cracked the x-box used a, erm, the word is escaping me right now, a "digital decoder" to crack the security by brute force, actually.
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ok, preacher, hack away. keep in mind that it will be part of the hardware. loading a kernel debugger (or any debugger capable of prying into the TCPA zone), plugging in unauthorized hardware, running a data-duplication program, and even managing somehow to root your own machine breaking into the tcpa zone will be casue for suspicion by the fritz chip, and it will automatically dump and wipe all protected memory. Does it matter whether or not you were actually trying to gain unauthorized access to your machine? nope. you'll just have to grin and reboot if you want to continue working on your financial report, musci creation, or chat. I almost pity the poor suckers that keep the HD encrypted and the key entrusted to fritz. Imagine the problems when the bios fails.... bu-bye data.
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First off, Apple will never embrace TCPA they are to invested in initiatives contray to that one. Open source, GPL, and even Linux considering that Apple actually has helped out Linux developers in writting drivers and the like.
The next chip for the Mac being co-developed with IBM is the Power4 chip. A 64-bit processor designed by IBM for their linux servers, these will certainly NOT be TCPA complaiant, rest asured.
As for YDL, void, it's the best distro for the Mac IMHO. I coulden't get debian to install right, Mandrake was way buggy and didn't recognize my hardware off the bat, YDL booted up on the first try. I had to configure some Xfree86 files for resolution and stuff, but that was about it.
But, I love OSX, Im telling you void you will too once you try it :D
If you get sick of the GUI just log in as Console and your straight into darwin. You can also configure the boot file to not load Aqua at all, you can even set it to one of the Xfree86 window managers and stuff. pretty cool huh?
Whatever. That's my two cents.
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I agree with psyjax, but not just void, anyone who use's OS X will most likley love it. Unless they happen to be an m$ fanboy.
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Old habits die hard. :D
However there would be no longer any point in sticking with TCPA hardware, it just goes to far over the line. I mean there has to be crackers who will crack the security just to get kicks out of it, there always is those "because I can" crackers, like to prove that nothing is invunerable. Though there work would have no good merits, no one who recgonized TCPA's evil would bother using cracked hardware.
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This being my first post i shall play it safe instead of getting flamed like the rest of the newbs i've seen register here before me. Incidentally i've been here for nearly 1 1/2 years and never bothered to sign up, guess i'm a little lazy. (http://smile.gif)
Since AMD has joined up with MS now alongside Intel, i've noticed people are looking for alternatives to those 2 chip makers as to avoid the wonderful new security features soon to be implemented by them. Would VIA become an option to make future purchases or can you see them going with the crowd as well and thats why nobody has bothered to mention them in this thread (as far as i can see)?
Looking into the future here on this one and i was only wondering, if this did really take off. Windows being the major platform and everybody running wincrap and being tracked by the likes of the RIAA can you see the major entertainment corporations making a target out of linux because (i doubt) linux wouldn't deploy these new features?
I suspect sadly that they would and make bad press of this wonderful OS, they could strangle its growth because the users of that OS would still have their freedoms intact. Would you not think then because of this, maybe the bigger linux distros WOULD implement this feature just so they don't go under or not to be "compliant" (but survive)(if it became a standard of such) and then the smaller ones as well? The last remaining few hunted down by the M$ Piracy Police because they don't conform.
It frightens me because our choices are cleverly taken from us because of rash desisions by political officials and Microshafts' need to rule the software world.
Another twist, would you think the likes of China or India would comply with this ho hum? I can see a case for them doing so and i can see a case for them not. If they didn't its because China and india hava a liking for linux and China doesn't fully trust MS or the MS way anyway, but because of this they could ironically remain being the last free markets in which computer hardware is bought and sold without fear of this Palliduim crap. Which means their economy would grow and the western worlds would shrink because who would buy this crap if they can get if off China without all these security enhancements!?!
Needless to say China could go along with the rest of western world because with them being communists they certainly do have a penchant for controlling the masses and this could do them no end of good.
Anyway thats enough from me.
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Newbs get flamed? Yes and no. There are alot of one hit wonder people that post here, and lose an argument or get flamed for good reason, and never comeback(UNIX SUCKS.COM!). Getting flamed often doesn't mean your blacklisted, it just means you fucked up for today. So all those boo-hoo newbs who run-away and decide to think MES is a mean community because they got flamed should grow up and hang around some more. (http://smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Crunchy(Cracked)Butter:
This being my first post i shall play it safe instead of getting flamed like the rest of the newbs i've seen register here before me. Incidentally i've been here for nearly 1 1/2 years and never bothered to sign up, guess i'm a little lazy. (http://smile.gif)
Ahhhh, fresh meat! Just kidding. Welcome aboard!!
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Since AMD has joined up with MS now alongside Intel, i've noticed people are looking for alternatives to those 2 chip makers as to avoid the wonderful new security features soon to be implemented by them. Would VIA become an option to make future purchases or can you see them going with the crowd as well and thats why nobody has bothered to mention them in this thread (as far as i can see)?
I wasn't aware that VIA produced processors, but only produced support chips for both Intel and AMD processors. I would certainly be interested if that were not the case, or if they had future plans of creating an x86 non-Palladium processor (or non-x86 as long as it's affordable and comparable speed, hell it surely don't need to run M$ software). If they did they could become the next big processor manufacturer.
And I really don't think there is anything that can be done to put the reigns on Linux. It's a living breathing organism owned by noone or no country. That's the whole beauty of it.
And you're from the 51st state. Hmmm... Puerto Rico? DC? Iraq? Or are you referring to Jefferson in Northern Cal?
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Originally posted by ThePreacher:
You guys are sitting there scared of microsoft. Well guess what, Im scared of nothing. Bring Palladium on. Im a computer programmer. If its the last thing I do, whether it is legal or illegal, I will make a version of linux that will run on this hardware type. I will find a way past microsoft's "so-called" security, I will do everything in my power to make sure that Microsoft never wins. There is no such thing as perfect security, and we all know this, so dont worry.
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Crunchy butter, i don't think china and india will go along with this, example now all china's govt runs on linux stuff.
also, i think that it is too radical an idea to properly catch on, and i do not think the media will be 100% bashing linux either, it has got good press for too long now for that to seriously be a worry. remember linux does not need sales, it can rely totally on its own good image. linux will never die as a result.
lazygamer, you said it perfectly about new posters. I couldn't agree more, but i think the newbie-flame is in a way a kind of test. X11 (to name one memorable one) and many others passed the newbie test and many more actually post politely on their first few posts and so never get flamed!!!!! Many more get flamed and never come back after their first day or two, and mostly good riddance. This place would be the Windows BS without the cursing and swearing...
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void main: VIA does make processors. Their C3 line. They suck ass in terms of everything though...
I'm thinking of getting a SPARC server for my website...they only cost about $1k, and will forever be Palladium free unless M$ buys Sun, in which case the R&D team will boycott :D
I have no problem using "obsolete" computers if the future is all M$ Palladium. I had a Mac LC (the original) before I "upgraded" to a PowerBook G3 Wallstreet last year. The LC had System 7, did what it was supposed to, never crashed and never fucked with me. Who said "obsolete" was a bad thing?
Welcome to the boards Crunchy(Cracked)Butter!
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If you are referring to their low end 1U Cobalt line they are running Pentium x86 processors and not UltraSparc. If you know of an UltraSparc machine selling for ~$1,000 let me know, I would be interested in the link. I have a lot of Sparc/UltraSparc experience except most of the stuff I deal with is higher end (many processors, $100,000+ machines).
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Lots of things to agree with....
There's no way AMD will follow through if it means they will alienate billions of open source commie$.
Maybe china will come up with their own processor line, after all, most of these chips are made in Asia, right?
Only Intel is stupid enough to try this hardwired security bullshit again. They are totally hanging from bill gate's dick!
If anybody stops to think, security has become this big issue because windows has so many holes!
This is all smoke and mirrors from microsoft. They fail to take responsibility for lack of security, refuse to fix their software (because that would be accepting blame) and so they turn around and say that the only way to solve this issue is to create some new pathetic hardware security system.
Actually, I'm just waiting for the day when they announce that this palladium scheme lost microsoft billions of dollars, and AMD became the top chip maker selling "clean" processors.
long live the lo-techs!
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AMD is ready to go to bed with Microsoft at a moments notice. In fact they have been in bed with them for a while now. Even more so than Intel has actually if you can believe that one.
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And you're from the 51st state. Hmmm... Puerto Rico? DC? Iraq? Or are you referring to Jefferson in Northern Cal?
I am gonna bet you 10 MESID(Microsoft Eradication Society Imaginary Dollars) that he is refering to... CANADA! The land of teh h4x0r. 51st state is a common statement known to Canadians.
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Void Main, CDW sells "Sun Fire V100 rack optimized" servers for $995.00.
Their specs are:
500MHz Sun UltraSparc IIe processor
128mb of RAM
40gb HD
24x CD-Rom drive
Two 10/100 ethernet adapters
Solaris 8
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Didn't citrix make x86 procs? Are they still doing it or did they stop?
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as for the link, it's http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.asp?ProductID=360639 (http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.asp?ProductID=360639)
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Ahhh, I've never heard that one. Is that statement made as a joke on the fear of that happening or the wish of that happening? Not that there is much of a chance of it happening unless of course Canada wished this which I am sure they do not and would not. It would be one hell of a state though! Canada is already several times larger than all 50 states combined is it not?
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Well, it's not fear, many feel it has happened in a metaphoric way. Our countries mimic each other far more then most other side by side countries, especially considering the vast landmass each one occupies. Of course maybe Canada just mimics the US like a blackhole, never reflecting it's own distortion of the light it has recieved. (http://smile.gif)
Want it to happen? Chances are no, but Canada lacks a national identity, other then knowing that they are not Americian, and being extremely proud of that. ;)
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So would it be appropriate for me say that I am from the "Southern Territory"? (http://smile.gif)
[ September 22, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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Void main: They do make processors and i think they bought cyrix a while back, they have got i think to 1Ghz in their processor line but they are really shit compared to the top dogs. They are aimed by VIA towards the tech and corporate sector, but i have seen some unluckly peices of hardware get mashed together and sold to the public who think cheap is good. Another interesting point, VIA went to .13 micron before AMD as i heard it, but thye don't copy the intel way of doing things. Intel went from .18 micron then .13 just as AMD did, VIA came from .15 micron then .13. I could be wrong though but thats how i remember it.
The 51st State is reference to a country, i've had it as my location for years. Recently they made a film with the exact same title, it starred Samuel L Jackson (hint hint).
Calum: If like 97% percent of the desktop population already run MS and then Palluduim is introduced its a near future, its a safe bet that that 97% would be trapped on what could be a closed PC platform (like macs but worse), linux users would be free of this mess but i cannot see MS or the entertainment industry standing by letting this happen. I'm thinking along the lines of a law or they force the bigger distros into accepting this security feature, MS did say they would show the source code so i'm assuming they might desire the linux platform to come under MS rule.
The government could make a law saying all OSes have to become a certain standard as well.
[ September 23, 2002: Message edited by: Crunchy(Cracked)Butter ]
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yes but if the linux community comprises, say 2% of computer users, it's the 2% with the most balls and the loudest voices, i am sure.
however there is no good in being complacent, that i agree with.
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Originally posted by TheQuirk:
Void Main, CDW sells "Sun Fire V100 rack optimized" servers for $995.00.
Their specs are:
500MHz Sun UltraSparc IIe processor
128mb of RAM
40gb HD
24x CD-Rom drive
Two 10/100 ethernet adapters
Solaris 8
Ahh, thanks for the Link. The IIe processor is a special version of the UltraSparc line. And it is not SMP capable. I suppose it's good for small systems such as web servers. Don't know how good it would work on high end desktops or if Linux will run on it. It does say it is binary compatible with Sparc Solaris so I would assume it would be compatible with Sparc Linux. Here's the FAQ on the processor:
http://www.sun.com/processors/UltraSPARC-IIe/faq.html (http://www.sun.com/processors/UltraSPARC-IIe/faq.html)
At any rate, thanks for enlightening me. So far it looks like this line would be an affordable Palladium free alternative for as long as they continue to produce the line. I'm sure once Palladium hits the market sales of such chips will go up so I'm betting this chip line doesn't die any time soon.
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well 51st state (as *ahem* some people have had for a few months on vcd already, not a bad movie by the way) has had its title changed to formula 51 i heard. any how yes the VIA chips are formerly the IBM cyrix p.o.s and it is still a p.o.s processor. they are weak, the old cyrix pr processors which were marked at like ..oh..say..233 ran at like 166 when benched marked. cheap bottom of the barrel processors next to the 'win' chip processors.
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That's right Cyrix were total crap (something to do with a strange clocking system if memory serves me correct).
The whole palladium security thing relies on the entertainment industry really (that's where it's aimed for). And I couldn't give a toss about Celine Dion and Britney Spears' song copyright. The real artists in the world, the best films made, the best shops are small and independant. And when they realise they can fight it out in the big pool, or have 2% of the market open to them with people ready to listen, and intrinsically smart, then there will still be enough companies that are non-palladium compatable.
I am naturally worried about palladium, and I will fight it as I believe it removes your freedom of choice. But I don't think it will be enforcable on the scale they want. Too many people are turning over. I know people everywhere who are starting to learn Linux, using Macs because they are nicer (whatever gets you going). Palladium will be unenforcable in two years time. I know of businesses that have only one M$ computer, and use Linux or Macs everywhere else. I fully believe M$ missed the boat again. If they had done this in the 90s then they would have succeeded. I think it's too late. If someone leaves the market open then someone will come and fill it.
And the 51st state is the reference to an *ahem* 'Island' a little to the right (physically not politically) of the USA.
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If this thing is out in 2 or 3 years then we must educate others into using linux or macs, take away ms's user base.
Like when fixing a friends pc or something say something smart like ..."linux would never do that", their reply would be something like "whats linux" then it gets the ball rolling.
I just fixed a friends pc of mine and gave him mozilla and openoffice, its nothing really but its a start. Openoffice does the job and it'll work for him when he goes to college. Once i get Lycoris he's interested in getting a copy of that as well.
At college i have got my IT teacher interested at seeing openoffice on my pc. He hasn't seen it yet but because he knows i'm doing my college work on it, it must be good. If you changed its splash startup screen to officeXP people wouldn't know the difference.
Recommend nix rather than winblows, but i suppose you guys have been doing that anyway? :confused: (http://smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Crunchy(Cracked)Butter:
If this thing is out in 2 or 3 years then we must educate others into using linux or macs, take away ms's user base.
Like when fixing a friends pc or something say something smart like ..."linux would never do that", their reply would be something like "whats linux" then it gets the ball rolling.
I've been doing this for years. But I find that most people are sheep. They just go "huh?". :/
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Originally posted by void main:
I've been doing this for years. But I find that most people are sheep. They just go "huh?". :/
Don't you think now, linux has come of age for the desktop? I tried linux 2 years ago and i didn't like it, but i knew i wanted to try it again. But hey thats me i can only speak from my point of view.
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Well, all I can say is that most of the people I know are sheep. That is, no matter how good the OS is, they will stick with what came on their computer no matter how much they've been screwed over, even without liberal use of vaseline.
I just give them the information. Choosing to do something with that information is up to them. When they don't, they are sheep. It's funny to hear them complain about their problems and I just say "it doesn't have to be that way". They all have heard my preachings over and over though....
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my upbringing gave me much time to contemplate this particular trait of humanity.
I honestly believe that people choose not to change a situation they are unhappy about because the familiarity of the thing that pisses them off is much more important to them than the change of progress. They fear change.
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Originally posted by Crunchy(Cracked)Butter:
Don't you think now, linux has come of age for the desktop? I tried linux 2 years ago and i didn't like it, but i knew i wanted to try it again. But hey thats me i can only speak from my point of view.
Yes. linux has been ready for the desktop for a while now, it just needs packaged a little better, not much better, just a little.
Watch what you say though, whenever somebody says linux is desktop ready we seem to see a flood of people saying 'poo poo, windows users coud never use this complex piece of software!'...
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Originally posted by TheQuirk:
Well, if it's anything like the x-box security, it will cost you thousands (as in 15,000 bucks) of dollars to crack the security. Not in legal fees or anything, but in hardware. The guy that cracked the x-box used a, erm, the word is escaping me right now, a "digital decoder" to crack the security by brute force, actually.
are you serious dude>!>!>! omfg thats gay. He shouldnt have done that NO NO
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Wonder what the E.U will think of TCPA? I don't think TCPA/Palldium will be popluar when people find out they can't copy cds. If TCPA or M$ stopped Linux working on computers, surly compaines like Redhat or Suse would sue? I can't see them just sitting back and doing nothing. What about Apple are they going to have TCPA hardware? I'm sure I read some where that Steve jobb <or what ever his name is> said that Mac would not have TCPA hardware.
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TCPA in the news:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2094167.stm
At the bottom off the page- you can read what other people think off TCPA.
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Originally posted by Crunchy(Cracked)Butter:
Needless to say China could go along with the rest of western world because with them being communists they certainly do have a penchant for controlling the masses and this could do them no end of good.
Fuck you.
I am a communist and I, in no way, support the opression of people like it is done in China. And China is not even Communist. They're just Authoritarian Capitalists which would make them Facists. The unemployment rate is rising and this should be non-existant in a Socialist State(not that there never was a Communist State, nor can there ever be because State and Communism just don't mix)
Anyway, I was already seriously considering going Apple, because these Oranges aren't so sweet anymore. I have to eat them with bare hands while I enjoy eating them with a knife and a fork.
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Yeah really. If China is so communist then how come it trades so heavily with the US, and how come so many US companies have corporate interestes in China (answer: because the labor is cheap there) A true 'socialist' society would never let its people be exploited by American businesses.
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Exploited, no, a true socialist state wouldn't. But trade, yes. I recommend the book "About Peacefull Coexistance" by Lenin to you.