Stop Microsoft
Miscellaneous => Intellectual Property & Law => Topic started by: slave on 23 November 2002, 20:57
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This is disgusting. Fuck $ony they are as bad as Microsoft!!
http://www.idg.net/ic_965667_1794_9-10000.html (http://www.idg.net/ic_965667_1794_9-10000.html)
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Once the music data is decoded, it can be replayed through SME's Magiqlip software, a music player for Windows PCs. Using Magiqlip, the music data can also be copied for backup purposes along with the key, which must be uploaded for verification to SME when the music backup is restored, SME said.
So I guess Linux and Mac users are left out in the cold, huh? Shitty proprietary garbage. And note the text highlighted in bold. Can you say "spyware"? I knew you could.
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Copied music on a hard disk drive can be transferred to audio devices that comply with SME's OpenMG digital rights management (DRM) technology for a number of times set by the music company. [See "Sony develops new copyright protection technology," Aug. 7.]
Oh that's just great. Not only will you have to use Windows to decode the audio, but you'll have to have a god damn Sony authorized audio device with Digital Restriction Management built into it to listen to it away from your computer. And not only that but you can only copy it as much as Sony says you can. What fun!
Tell us Sony, what's the point of CD's you can only listen to while sitting in front of your PC?? I mean, who would buy that? This is the stupidest idea ever.
I think evil media companies like Sony and Disney are the chief driving force behind Palladium/DRM, not Microsoft. Microsoft is just catering to their sick tastes. Maybe M$ also finds the spyware possibilities appealing, or the "invisible ink" feature in email.
[ November 23, 2002: Message edited by: Linux User #5225982375 ]
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If it can be played....it can be recorded. :D
You have to think outside the box (pc)
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. I live in one of Americas greatest musical areas (I would say that apart from maybe Britain, there is no-where better on Earth for good music). A lot of music I listen to is not on released CDs. It's stuff the groups have put together just to show people what they are like, and get them to come and support them live. I listen to stuff on small labels, these guys cannot afford to loose their audience to proprietary media stunts. They burn their own CDs, and I for one will buy them. I will not buy any CD that enforces any proprietary conditions on listening to it. And if that means I have to search even harder to find good music, well that is a price I have been paying for years anyway.
And as it is designed to protect music made by Limp Biskit, Korn, Britney Spears, Paul Okenfold, Vanessa Mae, U2, Harry Conic Jr. etc. etc. These are groups and artists who produce nothing of any interest to me, they offer nothing new. And they certainly don't produce anything worth buying, and to be honest I feel most groups who have major record deals are pretty crap.
The problem is one of economics. Don't buy and they will revert, I don't have Sucker written large on my forehead.
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People will not pay more money for less functionality. It will not work. Do you think people would start paying $40,000 for cars that can only be driven on highways when they can pay $20,000 for cars that can be driven anywhere? Any time consumers are about to lose out, we rebel the only way we know how. We dont buy the product. Dont worry about new expensive copyright protection. It is doomed to fail. If not, we can always move back to cassettes.
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I absolutely hate Sony Records, I havnt bought any of their stuff for a long because of this kind shit (not that my lost custom really harms them)
The sad thing is that sony own so much of the industry. Just looking through some CD's lying here on my desk I can see 5 different record companies that are all owned by Sony, its ridiculous. AOL Time-Warner and Sony are EVERYWHERE and it really is awful, because they are two obscene companies. Sometimes I wish I had some nukes, but you know what, i't wouldnt make a difference there would just be a new Microsoft, AOL TW, sony records etc. Our world is a in a sorry state, unfortunately we have nowhere else to live...
[ November 23, 2002: Message edited by: Tux ]
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Why would anyone with an internet connection be *buying* cds?
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I stopped buying CDs about 1 and a half years ago...
But a "Fuck Sony" is necessary here.
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Originally posted by ThePreacher:
People will not pay more money for less functionality. It will not work. Do you think people would start paying $40,000 for cars that can only be driven on highways when they can pay $20,000 for cars that can be driven anywhere? Any time consumers are about to lose out, we rebel the only way we know how. We dont buy the product. Dont worry about new expensive copyright protection. It is doomed to fail. If not, we can always move back to cassettes.
Sure - just tell them it stops computer viruses or something. People are stupid, people don't care. Give it a flashy package with a hot chick and it'll go off. In case you don't know, we are an exception. Go to one of your less geeky (no offence, geeks are cool) friends and ask them what they think about DRM. Watch that blank face.
*apparently* this scheme isn't too hard for whoever uses something else than WinPC's to play the stuff - including Linux and normal CD players, but it's still bad. How the hell can I rip every CD I buy to Ogg (which is legal - I hate disk swapping) when they do this stuff for a Linux system?
Anyway, copy protection scemes can always be avoided in free societies - as long as audio needs to travel through a wire to the speakers, that wire can be tapped. So just make sure your society doesn't fall into totalitary hands.
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i kinda hope this drm music bullshit gets people to stop buying the corporate music. i fucking cant stand britney spears, nsync, all of that shit. they are a bunch of no talent hacks, who have turned an art form into an industry. a music "indsutry"!!? what the fuck. i really hope that this causes people to stop buying it because the corporations told them to, and they start to discover real music, local music, music with style. no more linkin park, no more limp biskit. i do not own one cd that is not, in my opinion, art. the music i buy has something that those corporate bands lack. talent, originality, they even play their own instruments and write their own songs. there are all true artists. i guess what i want to see is a music revolution.
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To get around this, all you need is a portable CD player, a 1/8" cable to connect to the Line in jack of your sound card, and a program that records wave files. (in any operating system) Then, you've got the song on your computer without any digital restrictions at all.
[ November 23, 2002: Message edited by: emh ]
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Originally posted by flap:
Why would anyone with an internet connection be *buying* cds?
Exactly, i havnt bought a CD from ANY record label for at least five years. What are p2p programs for?!?!
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Originally posted by emh:
To get around this, all you need is a portable CD player, a 1/8" cable to connect to the Line in jack of your sound card, and a program that records wave files. (in any operating system) Then, you've got the song on your computer without any digital restrictions at all.
[ November 23, 2002: Message edited by: emh ]
Yeah until they start requiring everyone to buy special speakers and sound cards that don't allow that.
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20 years ago I was quite happy with putting a cassette recorder up against the speakers...life was simpler then...
But we really don't have to worry about even using the line-in trick yet.
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The thing is, there is not a single form of copy protection that works. The only copy protection that works half-assed is the gay CD key system. Even then, that only works half-assed for ONLINE play. The whole client to server thing could probably be cracked by a master cracker, but no one has any interest(because master crackers are probably too intellectually above the average script kiddy gamer).
I can't figure out why there is outcry about XP's copy protection shafting innocent users more then pirates, yet no one talks about how the CD key system for computer games does the exact same thing. :mad:
Errr anyways, point being is that:
1)This "new" copy protection will be ineffectual.
2)100% of "uncrackable" copy protection schemes from the corps will be cracked by crackers.
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You cant blame them for wanting to stop piracy, im sure there will be Linux support... eventually.
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music, on cd's?
methinks me wants a rme hammerfall based adat card and a LARGE raid array. i think ill play with ardour and record for local bands.
Choasnet records, telling the **AA were to stick it and recommended sizes
Choasnet records, defiantly not for the sheople
Choasnet records, Sell your soul to someone else cuase were not buying it
/*pathitec catchphrase attempt*/
if i had a better sound card that didn't fuck up when mixing wav files together on playback/*hmmm, harddriver mixing and sampling, the thing sounded like shit under windows anyway its horrible and i need a new one, it can't hanlde more then one stream of audio and sound good, or is it my software. ardour, and audacity.*/ i would have some asskicking electronic tracks for you to do whatever with/*hmmmm, music under the gpl license?, is that even possible?*/ owell, this is a big issue and im getting sick of sony.
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Originally posted by Linux User #5225982375:
Yeah until they start requiring everyone to buy special speakers and sound cards that don't allow that.
I'm not really sure that could work. You'd have lots of musicians in an uproar because a lot of them nowadays use computers to record their own music (myslef included).
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like the RIAA or MPAA give a shit about the artists. and don't be giving them any ideas, next thing they might think up of is drm im our heads, like we can't hear something unless we have a license for it, i should write an essasy or somthing on that
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Originally posted by X11 / BOB: l33t h4x0r:
You cant blame them for wanting to stop piracy
Is that a joke?
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Aren't the hardware companies to blame for piracy? Didn't they start selling hardware that could copy CDs bit for bit?
They could've just manufactured them so they could only backup data(documents,graphics, etc.) that the user created.
Why aren't programs like EZ CD creator illegal? What purpose do they serve? It seems to me that these appz are designed for one real purpose, and that is to rip and burn music.
The thousands(millions?) of kids dl-ing and burning CDs couldn't ever have done this on their own.
...and don't forget, M$ was on this bandwagon at one time as well...
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Originally posted by Black & White Cat:
Aren't the hardware companies to blame for piracy? Didn't they start selling hardware that could copy CDs bit for bit?
They could've just manufactured them so they could only backup data(documents,graphics, etc.) that the user created.
Why aren't programs like EZ CD creator illegal? What purpose do they serve? It seems to me that these appz are designed for one real purpose, and that is to rip and burn music.
The thousands(millions?) of kids dl-ing and burning CDs couldn't ever have done this on their own.
...and don't forget, M$ was on this bandwagon at one time as well...
Is that a joke?
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No it's not a joke. If you didn't have the hardware, and the software, you wouldn't be copying CDs and burning Mp3z.
But since you have them...you do. :D
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I've always hated $ony. OK, thats it, no more playstation for me, from now on its Nintendo only. The evil RIAA pigopolists have made me sick to my stomach. I havn't bought a non-used CD in years, and from now on, I'm just going to listen in independant artists.
V
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The RIAA, MPAA, Microsoft, Sony, Disney, and Nestle people have evil hearts, and the cure for that is to have them listen to some of John Lennon's music (http://www.ericas-designs.com/songs/Imagine.mp3).
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Imagine no posessions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man
Of course they'd find a world like that abhorrent since the word "profit" becomes a meaningless sound. (http://tongue.gif)
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What is wrong with Nestle? There a chocolate company FFS!
1)It's ok to only buy independant artists at the stores, but don't let that stop you from d/ling mp3s off the net. ACTUALLY, if people did this, it might count as a valid way of rebelling against the corps.
2)Nintendo is no angel themselves. Maybe they aren't part of that DMCA thing, maybe they are a little more devoted to the gamer because they ONLY make consoles, but that still doesn't mean they have a clean slate. I say go with the games, and to a lesser extent the system. Don't refuse to buy Xbox because it's made by MS. Refuse to buy Xbox because there is not enough worthy games for it, and it has alot of hardware issues.
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Nestle is Evil.
Promotes breast-milk substitute bottle feeding in third world countries by giving free product to mothers in hospitals. This means that the mother stops lactating and the mothers are forced to buy Nestles products to feed their baby - and they can't really afford to. In the USA, formulas must contain the warning that "Breast milk is best" for babies, and our hospitals won't give out such samples. Other countries don't always have such protections, and Nestle takes advantage.
As breastfeeding.com puts it: In order to sell more of its infant formula in third world countries, Nestle would hire women with no special training and dress them up as nurses to give out free samples of Nestle formula. The free samples lasted long enough for the mother's breast milk to dry up from lack of use.
The World Health Organisation (WHO) estimates that 1.5 million infants die around the world every year because they are not breastfed. No wonder there's a Nestle boycott.
Evil + Babies = Extra Evil
Want to boycott Nestle? Here's an (incomplete) list of the stuff they own: Perrier Water, Nescafe Coffee, Kit Kat Bars, Friskies Pet Food, Carnation Instant Breakfast, Coffeemate, Juicy Juice, Mighty Dog Pet Food, Ortega, Power Bar, Stouffers, Lean Cuisine, Taster's Choice Coffee, Willy Wonka Candy
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HOLY SHIT! Nestle now sux in my opinion!