Stop Microsoft
Operating Systems => macOS => Topic started by: sjor on 10 August 2006, 22:05
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Check this out!
http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard
Watch the keynote too. This is going to slay Vista. And the new Mac Pro is out too.
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Didn't Steve seem ill during the keynote? He only did part of it, and he looked haggard and tired. I hope it's not his cancer coming back or anything....
On the same note...that younger guy who did the Time Machine demo among other things...don't recall ever seeing him in a keynote, but he should do them if Steve ever can't. He's great. Certainly better than Phil Schiller.
Oh yeah, the computers. I'm disappointed about the name Mac Pro. It's so boring. The computer itself is good, though. :D Fact is, though, there's a big hole left where Apple could put in a lower-end tower computer.
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MacPro is pretty pathetic. So is MacBookPro. I think they ought to have cooler names, like Falcon, Angstrom, Celegorm, or other such shit. Or they should do like Volkswagen in the 60s - Type I, Type II, Type III, and Type IV. The names are a little dumb. iBook was cute, and G5 sounded manly. MacPro sounds like "we couldn't think up anymore names".
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They could name it like guns:
Hey, check out my M16A1 Mac!
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There's nothing wrong with "Mac Pro". Yeah it lacks creativity and imagination. However, tacking pro onto a product these days automatically associates it with high end business application or some sort of Power that others aren't rigged for. Yeah I'd like to see a name like "Studly Hungwell Computer that Kicks You Ass and Eats Your Breakfast", but they didn't.
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The 'pro' part is so the average Joe will think commercial quality. Powerbooks are supposed to be much better made than iBooks. I still have a 113MHz powerbook (almost ten years old) that still runs well (with OS 8.1). It cost over $6k new, so it damn well better last that long.
I am not at all happy about having a new Mac OS every 1 1/2 years. The hardware and software changes so often that it limits the third-party software available. The changes make potential malware very hard to write, but I want more from my computer than just what comes from Apple. In fact, I use none of the iLife stuff and don't even use Safari.
If I 'upgrade' to Tiger, I would have to rebuy software. At least before OS X, pretty much anything that ran in OS 7 would still run under OS 9.
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What?
I've used a lot of the same software since 10.2 and never needed to change any of it.
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The OS X APIs were frozen in 10.3. All software designed for that should work in future versions for a pretty long time. This isn't surprising - OS X is a very new OS, comparatively.
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Agreed, 10.5 does not mean Aqua, Carbon, Cocoa, Quartz and Darwin are going to be scrapped. Classic support is probably finished, but other software seems to be pretty stable.
On the other hand, a new version means more bigger bloat for larger more powerful computers. Lots of gui extras that won't perform well on older machines.
On the other other hand, it's almost like they're officially fucking with Adobe. First, they kill Premiere with Final Cut. Then they switch to an architecture that Adobe can't/doesn't support. Now, right as Adobe is probably going into the finalizing stages of CS3, Apple announces a new OS, probably with new features an Adobe product should be taking advantage of. It's kinda funny to watch, as long as it doesn't get in the way of my workflow.
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Didn't Steve seem ill during the keynote? He only did part of it, and he looked haggard and tired. I hope it's not his cancer coming back or anything....
Hmm.. I was just reading Paul Thurrott's (the Windows supersite dude) (very negative) piece on Leopard, and he says:OK, enough Jobs bashing. The guy's a visionary and truly important presence in the industry, and it will be a sad, sad day when he steps down from his post at Apple and fades into the sunset. (The reality of this possibility seemed all the more real this week. Am I the only one that though Jobs looked oddly gaunt and sickly during the WWDC keynote?) But as I've often said of Apple and Jobs: They do good work. It's too bad they feel the need to exaggerate so much.
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/macosx_leopard_preview.asp
And also make sure you see: http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/06/08/11/219216.shtml
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The problem with Apple and Adobe is the Patton/Montgomery thing. Like Patton said (at least in the film):
The difference between me and Montgomery is that I'll admit that I'm a primadonna.
Adobe has an unswerving 18-month product cycle. Hell or high water, it's 18Mos. Second, they have Software Company Syndrome. That is, "Mac users are a small segment, maybe they don't matter as much." Forget about the fact that the majority of their customers are Mac users. That can't matter. Only thing that matters is that market share.
As for killing Premiere on Mac: GOOD. I fucking hate that shitty ass garbage. Everybody I've ever known that used it has had the same problems. Randomly crashing, corruption of project files (even on clean close!), poor performance, worse interface than MS.
BTW, my shitty experiences were with 4 or 5 or something on Mac. All the other identical experiences were from people running 6 or whatever on Windows. So, it wasn't a bug with the version I was using, or a bug with the Mac version. Nope. Premiere SUCKS.
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If the API's were frozen in Panther up, then why do I see so much software offered in Version Tracker that 'requires' Tiger? If the software uses added features like Dashboard Widgets, then it may not matter that the API's haven't changed.
I also have software that will work on a G3, or G4 but not a G5 (VPC 6.1), and certainly won't work on a MacIntel. Guest OS supports a G5 and isn't expensive, but why buy something all over again? VPC 6.1 doesn't even properly identify my G4 mac cpu (the clock speed is !?!).
There is other software I have that works (or 'should' according to the writers) from Jag up. I bought Mellel and there is a Jag only version, no longer supported.
Even VLC asked for money (and got it) so they could test a G5 with their software.
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If the API's were frozen in Panther up, then why do I see so much software offered in Version Tracker that 'requires' Tiger? If the software uses added features like Dashboard Widgets, then it may not matter that the API's haven't changed.
I meant the other way: old apps won't stop working. New apps that use new feature will, of course, require the new OS. The API freezing in 10.3 would explain your broken Jaguar apps. Hopefully, that won't be happening again.
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When a new Linux kernel is released or a version of GCC or whatever shows up and it breaks binaries, I don't hear people raising a stink about it. It's only when someone says "Hey, wow. This new version of OS X is going to be neat."
There's usually some jackass that has to crawl out of the woodwork to say "OMG OH NOES ITS TEH BAD!!!1" just to be a jerk. I don't mean that you're that person, davidnix... I'm just sayin'.
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When a new Linux kernel is released or a version of GCC or whatever shows up and it breaks binaries, I don't hear people raising a stink about it.
Uh, yea, you don't have to pay for them..
Apps will use this Core Animation stuff and you'll need to get Panther to see them. How much work could it possibly be to port that to Tiger? Has that much changed..?
Whenever Qt introduces major new features like graphics view (http://doc.trolltech.com/4.2/qt4-2-intro.html#graphics-view) (which seems like a similar idea to core animation), which applications will depend on, noone raises a stink because noone will have any problems obtaining and upgrading to Qt 4.2.
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Whenever Qt introduces major new features like graphics view (http://doc.trolltech.com/4.2/qt4-2-intro.html#graphics-view) (which seems like a similar idea to core animation), which applications will depend on, noone raises a stink because noone will have any problems obtaining and upgrading to Qt 4.2.
That's not a fair comparison, because you can upgrade Qt (or gtk or whatever) without a whole lot of hassle. I don't know much about Qt, but a gtk upgrade is like 5 or 6 packages to download, and it fits smoothly into whatever apps are using it. You're only updating the widget/library set after all - you're not updating X or Gnome or even the kernel - just a widget/library set. So of course it isn't going to be much of a problem.
A fairer comparison would be to a new distro version. Often, with a distro upgrade, you have to replace most of your packages, and might even need to download a dvd or two. And who knows if your computer will meet the system requirements of the new version? The $120 you have to spend for the Apple media is not really the issue. The issue is backwards compatibility and system requirements. Just like with Linux. Pardon the pun, but you need to compare apples with apples.
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Core Animation is a new Panther-only API that will cause OS X applications to not work on pre-Panther. So to run those apps, you gotta give Apple whatever amount of money.
I'll never have to upgrade to a newer distro version to get the latest Qt! (it is possible, when my glibc and that crap all get old, but not in the foreseeable future)
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I'll never have to upgrade to a newer distro version to get the latest Qt!
Er, and neither should you, Qt being as cross-platform as it is.
See, in the free-software world, our APIs have better functions than making people shell out cash ;)
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reminder:
jaguar = 10.2
panther = 10.3
tiger = 10.4
leopard = 10.5
I'll never have to upgrade to a newer distro version to get the latest Qt! (it is possible, when my glibc and that crap all get old, but not in the foreseeable future)
I never said Apple's way of doing things was better. The truth is that the Linux way of processing package and feature upgrades is much more sensible. I merely wanted to point out that comparing an OSX update to a Qt update was silly.
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I never said Apple's way of doing things was better. The truth is that the Linux way of processing package and feature upgrades is much more sensible. I merely wanted to point out that comparing an OSX update to a Qt update was silly.
I was comparing the introduction of Core Animation, a new OS X API, to the introduction of Graphics View, part of Qt (a free software toolkit). In one, you gotta pay Apple $150 or whatever for OS X and possibly buy a new computer, in another you simply download and install the toolkit and you can do that on any half-popular OS on any computer.
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And honestly, people complain about Microsoft not porting DirectX 10 to Windows XP. Microsoft have given (they had to) technical reasons for why that would be extremely difficult.
I doubt very much there would be anything too difficult about porting Core Animation to Tiger - what has changed that would affect it?? It could just be a simple recompile.
Unless there are technical reasons that it would be difficult to port Core Animation to Tiger, what Apple's doing is not less bad than what MS is doing with DX10. But Apple, like MS, have to do shit like this - they have to pay their programmers, and keep some money for their $1000 cigars.
(free software ftmfw)
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In one, you gotta pay Apple $150 or whatever for OS X and possibly buy a new computer,
It's $129, and why would you need to buy a new computer?
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It's $129, and why would you need to buy a new computer?
Because you need to have an Apple computer to run Mac OS X.
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The post you quoted was talking about OS X updates versus QT updates. If you're getting an update to OS X, I think you're updating an installed copy on an Apple computer you already have.
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The post you quoted was talking about OS X updates versus QT updates. If you're getting an update to OS X, I think you're updating an installed copy on an Apple computer you already have.
Will there be a PPC version of 10.5? If not, then there you go. As if that matters, I'm sure you get the idea anyhow.
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Will there be a PPC version of 10.5?
Yes.
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See there is a version floating around bittorrent websites im sure apple expexted this to happen and im sure it wont be the finished item thats for sure but im downloading it to see.
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Ques?
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See there is a version floating around bittorrent websites im sure apple expexted this to happen and im sure it wont be the finished item thats for sure but im downloading it to see.
Ha, it's true: http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/06/08/15/1252218.shtml
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Ain't that somethin? And I thought bittorrent was only for porn isos.