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Operating Systems => macOS => Topic started by: Zombie9920 on 13 May 2003, 21:03
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With sales of its splendid new G4 laptops gaining pace after the phenomenal five-year run of the iMac, Apple Computer Inc.'s shareholders should be beaming. Apple chief executive Steve Jobs, wearing his trademark black mock turtleneck and blue jeans, certainly hoped so when in late April he unveiled the company's much anticipated iTunes software, which allows users to purchase music online legally and affordably.
Most Apple shareholders, however, aren't applauding Jobs' sudden infatuation with the music industry. Nor are they particularly pleased with the company's otherwise moribund business strategy or a stock price that has stagnated for the past year.
What's the problem? Apple has failed to rebuild its flagging software and hardware businesses despite its brilliant marketing campaigns. And now the company's strategic direction appears more desperate than ever as it ponders whether to deploy its $4.5 billion cash hoard to buy and resurrect Universal Music Group, the world's largest music label.
Shareholders reacted to news of Apple's informal negotiations for Universal with ailing French conglomerate Vivendi Universal SA
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well i have always been sceptical of Jobs' ability to manage apple computer well. unlike bill gates, jobs did not have an empire in mind when the company was small. In fact he can more accurately be described as having a small company mentality even when the company was big. The only reason apple computer have survived so long is by bringing out really sound hardware and software at prices high enough to make a profit. Nothing else about their setup impresses me (although nothing about it particularly abhors me either, again unlike microsoft). Apple remind me of a superhero from the mid 1940s i don't expect many of you know him but Mr Terrific* was very good at everything. if somebody was wounded he could bind their wounds expertly, if somebody could only speak german, it turned out he could speak fluent german too, any skill he was required to have he seemed to have, but he was not EXCELLENT at any of them. He couldn't run faster than sound like the flash, or lift cars like superman. He was a jack of all trades, master of none, and therefore when superman is still going strong after almost seventy years (outliving both his creators, Jerry Seigel and Joe Shuster, who died in 1996 and 1992 respectively) almost nobody on the face of the planet except a few die hard fans will remember Mr Terrific.
And that's Apple Computer and Steve Jobs. I can't say anything against the man, he more or less started Apple Computer (well he needed Wozniac's skills or he'd have had nothing to market, but Wozniac would never have sold his work if not for Jobs) and i couldn't have done it any better i expect.
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* - Mr. Terrific. Terry Sloan is a bored millionaire who has conquered every possible field there is. He is so bored, in fact, that he decides one day to commit suicide. He sees someone else about to do so and stops them, and after finding out their troubles helps them out. He then decides to help people by fighting crime, emphasizing the ideal of fair play with the words plastered across his costume. He is a member of the Justice Society of America. He has no superpowers, but is a prodigy at everything he does; he has an aptitude for having aptitudes, and is the "best in the world" at everything, from being an architect to a hypnotist.
First Appearance: Sensation Comics #1 (DC).
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Come on Calum haven't you learnt yet that the more money you have the more superior you are? Ergo Bill Gates is lord. And Mother Theresa was a stupid worthless old crone.
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I don't entirely agree with you Calum, but I'm not in the mood to argue so you're off the hook.
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I thought iTunes was doing very well. Am I wrong?
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It is, but certain people can find a downside to everything. :mad:
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oh get knotted, we all know you braid steve jobs' butt hairs with your teeth* but what i would like to see is for you to refute some of the points i made, rather than making snidey potshots at me.
come on, convince me that apple are great and that their motives are altruistic or whatever it is that makes you think they are better than i think they are. All of that was only my opinion anyway as i am sure is perfectly obvious.
EDIT: in fact i can't actually see where i point out the downside in my post and i can't really see that i even criticise apple all that much, so what's got into your pants all of a sudden?
* don't take it personally it was a J O K E.
[ May 14, 2003: Message edited by: Calum: hopelessly outnumbered ]
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Who wants OS X? I used it and apart from the headache-inducing transparent windows there was no sign of innovation. In fact, it all looks like a ripoff of XP.
OPEN SOURCE NEVER! MICROSOFT FOREVER! OPEN SOURCE NEVER! MICROSOFT FOREVER!
OPEN SOURCE NEVER! MICROSOFT FOREVER! OPEN SOURCE NEVER! MICROSOFT FOREVER!
OPEN SOURCE NEVER! MICROSOFT FOREVER! OPEN SOURCE NEVER! MICROSOFT FOREVER!
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Originally posted by Calum: hopelessly outnumbered:
oh get knotted, we all know you braid steve jobs' butt hairs with your teeth* but what i would like to see is for you to refute some of the points i made, rather than making snidey potshots at me.
ROFLMFAO. That is too funny. LOL. (http://zombie9920.homestead.com/files/4.gif) (http://zombie9920.homestead.com/files/4.gif)
Macman, that is disgusting. (http://zombie9920.homestead.com/files/5.gif)
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69waluigi69, you have my sympathy. I am very sorry that you are a blind dumb fuck :( .
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Who wants Win XP? I used it and apart from the headache-inducing Fisher-Price-esque GUI there was no sign of innovation. In fact, it all looks like a ripoff of a toy computer called "My First PC" (age 4 and up).
MICROSOFT NEVER! MANDRAKE LINUX FOREVER! MICROSOFT NEVER! MANDRAKE LINUX FOREVER!
MICROSOFT NEVER! MANDRAKE LINUX FOREVER! MICROSOFT NEVER! MANDRAKE LINUX FOREVER!
MICROSOFT NEVER! MANDRAKE LINUX FOREVER! MICROSOFT NEVER! MANDRAKE LINUX FOREVER!
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[ May 14, 2003: Message edited by: jtpenrod ]
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Originally posted by 69waluigi69:
In fact, it all looks like a ripoff of XP.!
I keep forgetting that XP came before OSX.... :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by bossesjoe:
I keep forgetting that XP came before OSX.... :rolleyes:
I hope that's sarcasm.
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Originally posted by Macman: HAS 1000 POSTS:
I hope that's sarcasm.
please note the rolly eyes face
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Originally posted by bossesjoe:
please note the rolly eyes face
Is that sarcasm too? WHERE DOES THE SARCASM END??!!
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Back on topic. I would not mind seeing Apple break up. Especially if it caused the release of Marklar. The only readon I use Apple products is for OSX. While their hardware doesn't suck... it is expensive, slow, and behind the time. No one even sells PC's now with only 2 channel stereo. No one makes PPC as cheap as x86 and even if they did, a clone machine can't run OSX, it need a stupid ROM thing. I really don't care if Apple breaks up, I just want fucking Marklar.
One of these days I'm gonna "Splinter Cell" into Apple HQ in Cupertino and take my ipod and "ditto" Marklar onto it. hopefully they will just have a cd lying around though. dittoing being the command that can successfuly clone not only resource forks, but also preserve file permissions, it can be used to copy a working version of OSX to another drive.
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Is that sarcasm too? WHERE DOES THE SARCASM END??!!
calum doesn't see sarcasm on these forms...
http://forum.fuckmicrosoft.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=3&t=000208 (http://forum.fuckmicrosoft.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=3&t=000208)
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oh get knotted, we all know you braid steve jobs' butt hairs with your teeth*
What amazingly dextrous teeth you have! :D
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Originally posted by jeffberg: Mac Comrade Captain:
Back on topic. I would not mind seeing Apple break up. Especially if it caused the release of Marklar. The only readon I use Apple products is for OSX. While their hardware doesn't suck... it is expensive, slow, and behind the time. No one even sells PC's now with only 2 channel stereo. No one makes PPC as cheap as x86 and even if they did, a clone machine can't run OSX, it need a stupid ROM thing. I really don't care if Apple breaks up, I just want fucking Marklar.
doesn't marklar equal x86/Darwin? maybe you would be interested in using that. so far i can see two projects that might be the equivelant of MacOSX on Intel type machines:
GNU/Darwin (http://www.gnu-darwin.org/)
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Apple Darwin (http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/darwin/faq.html) and
OpenDarwin (http://www.opendarwin.org/projects/darwinports/)
now apple darwin appears to be a totally open source system. they give you instructions for how to install it using MacOSX, and they say darwin is capable of building itself, they also say it can be run on an intel type machine, but they don't appear to say how. The whole system is available as source code though... Also, OpenDarwin appears to be somehow related to the Apple Dawrin thing and maybe the two are the same? OpenDarwin seems to have a bit about installing on an x86...
GNU/Darwin looks like it might be quite easy to install on an apple mac or an x86, as they even sell install CDs of it as well as providing network install instructions. their site also has links to useful looking things like fink and XonX...
might be worth looking into for people who really want MacOSX on their intel computer.
[ May 15, 2003: Message edited by: Calum: hopelessly outnumbered ]
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Originally posted by Calum: hopelessly outnumbered:
doesn't marklar equal x86/Darwin? maybe you would be interested in using that. so far i can see two projects that might be the equivelant of MacOSX on Intel type machines:
GNU/Darwin (http://www.gnu-darwin.org/)
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Apple Darwin (http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/darwin/faq.html) and
OpenDarwin (http://www.opendarwin.org/projects/darwinports/)
now apple darwin appears to be a totally open source system. they give you instructions for how to install it using MacOSX, and they say darwin is capable of building itself, they also say it can be run on an intel type machine, but they don't appear to say how. The whole system is available as source code though... Also, OpenDarwin appears to be somehow related to the Apple Dawrin thing and maybe the two are the same? OpenDarwin seems to have a bit about installing on an x86...
GNU/Darwin looks like it might be quite easy to install on an apple mac or an x86, as they even sell install CDs of it as well as providing network install instructions. their site also has links to useful looking things like fink and XonX...
might be worth looking into for people who really want MacOSX on their intel computer.
[ May 15, 2003: Message edited by: Calum: hopelessly outnumbered ]
Yes, I have tried these. They don't have Aqua or quartz. I would be stuck using XFree86. Also, they don't run on AMD machines, I only have 1 non AMD machine lying around. They also seemed incomplete, they didn't have all of the commands and stuff that OSX have.
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hmm, that's not so good, still it's always interesting to hear what people say about new (?) systems, and i am hoping that GNU/Darwin will evolve quickly in true open source style.
i am a little confused though about open/apple darwin being incomplete because isn't it supposed to "correspond" with the MacOSX releases? or is it just the parts of OSX that are open source with all the rest missing?
so you reckon marklar will be like apple darwin but with all the closed source bits left in?
it would be interesting.
still in a way i kind of want apple to either make their graphical server open source, or else adopt X as their graphics server. If the proprietary GUI server they use comes out for x86 *nix then i can see a painful fork on the horizon and that always sets development back for a while (while microsoft catches up).
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Originally posted by Calum: hopelessly outnumbered:
oh get knotted, we all know you braid steve jobs' butt hairs with your teeth* but what i would like to see is for you to refute some of the points i made, rather than making snidey potshots at me.
come on, convince me that apple are great and that their motives are altruistic or whatever it is that makes you think they are better than i think they are. All of that was only my opinion anyway as i am sure is perfectly obvious.
EDIT: in fact i can't actually see where i point out the downside in my post and i can't really see that i even criticise apple all that much, so what's got into your pants all of a sudden?
* don't take it personally it was a J O K E.
[ May 14, 2003: Message edited by: Calum: hopelessly outnumbered ]
No, I've learned many times in the past that you cannot be convinced otherwise of your opinions. Okay, it's your opinion and I'm okay with that. You will never understand why we like Apple so much so don't ask. What I disagreed with was your Mr. Stupendous (or something) tirade. I'm glad you don't hate Apple like other Linux users I know but I still disagree with you. As Faust said, the amount of profits you pull in does not determine how great you are.
Oh, and YOU get knotted (not sure exactly what that means, not sure I want to)
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Back on topic. I would not mind seeing Apple break up. Especially if it caused the release of Marklar. The only readon I use Apple products is for OSX. While their hardware doesn't suck... it is expensive, slow, and behind the time. No one even sells PC's now with only 2 channel stereo. No one makes PPC as cheap as x86 and even if they did, a clone machine can't run OSX, it need a stupid ROM thing. I really don't care if Apple breaks up, I just want fucking Marklar.
You make me sick. Take that fucking gay Mac Comrade Captain shit off your name if you want to see Apple go down!! And also, GO TO HELL!!!!!
If Apple ever died, I swear to god I'd become a terrorist. I'd like to see the look on Mr. Ballmer's face right before a sniper bullet blows it off.
EDIT: Okay, maybe I'll just switch to YDL, but when I use it I'll swear a lot and stuff.
[ May 15, 2003: Message edited by: Macman: HAS 1000 POSTS ]
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While I woulden't wanna see Apple go down, I think the articles proposal about makeing Apple two separete companies is a great idea. That way both the hardware, and the software can accelerate at their own pace.
Not only that, but it would allow Marklar to be released, and also give Apple the ability to develop better hardware. Reason being that right now Apple is fighting a war on two fronts. It needs to somehow focus more effort on both. Two divisions sounds perfect.
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What! Do you realize how inferior X is to Quartz when you're using it on a local monitor/computer setup?
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You sure the hell better be talking about the letter X.
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Originally posted by Macman: HAS 1000 POSTS:
You sure the hell better be talking about the letter X.
I beive the quirk is refereing to XFree86
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Okay, I'll let him live.
[ May 16, 2003: Message edited by: Macman: HAS 1000 POSTS ]
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what does osX have in common with XP??
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Originally posted by Macman: HAS 1000 POSTS:
You sure the hell better be talking about the letter X.
I think he was talking about X11's inferiority to Quartz. Which I think is completely 100% true.
Also, I do not want to see Apple go down. I would never want to see that. I just want Marklar. (The only time I would want to see Apple go down, is if it would cause Microsoft to be broken up for antitrust...Apple is the only reason MS is still alive)
Yes Calum, Marklar is x86 OSX with all of the closed source stuff.