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Operating Systems => macOS => Topic started by: billy_gates on 25 June 2003, 22:15
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Its so cool, although has a lot of little bugs, mostly visual. And the fast user switch thing, the cube thing doesn't happen.
It is so awesome. i got it from bit torrent. The torrent file was on the mac newsgroups if anyone wants to go hunting.
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Originally posted by jeffberg: Mac Capitalist:
Its so cool, although has a lot of little bugs, mostly visual. And the fast user switch thing, the cube thing doesn't happen.
It is so awesome. i got it from bit torrent. The torrent file was on the mac newsgroups if anyone wants to go hunting.
Prolly an old version, or maybe the cubing thing requires some kind of high end graphics card like QE.
Whatever... Apple has a good history of releasing stable versions. Im sure when the final comes out in August the majority of bugs will be squished, anything remaining will be minor, and repaird in subsequent patches.
This is another thing Apple does well, the versions last a good while, and patches are speedy and FREE! Windoze wishes they were this cool.
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Originally posted by psyjax: plain 'ol psyjax:
Prolly an old version, or maybe the cubing thing requires some kind of high end graphics card like QE.
Whatever... Apple has a good history of releasing stable versions. Im sure when the final comes out in August the majority of bugs will be squished, anything remaining will be minor, and repaird in subsequent patches.
This is another thing Apple does well, the versions last a good while, and patches are speedy and FREE! Windoze wishes they were this cool.
it has much potential. I am so glad they got a network neighborhood. I was so tired of the connect to server box. As I type this I am preparing to have Jaguar on my 40gb HD and Panther on my 60gb. Panther will be my primary, but Jag will be there to back me up. Expos
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As I continue to use Panther I find that the Finder is unfunnily unstable. When u do one search it works. Then you hit back or the x next to the search button and search again. The little spinny lines go and go and never find anything. Then if u close the window, push the x, or click back the finder closes. Also, when it closes the finder icon reverts back to the old one. The only way to get the new finder icon back is to close the dock by doing killall Dock.
Also, Expos
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Another Update...
I am pleased to report that Apple fixed the problem with Brushed Metal Apps. This problem being if a window using brushed metal is in the background and you click, for example, the minimize button. The window used to (in Jag) come to the front then minimize. If you did this to a non brished metal app it would just minimize in the background. In Panther brushed metal apps no longer come to the front. Go ahead and try it, open a safari window and 2 finder windows. put one finder window above the safari window and one below. then while in the finder, click the yellow button on safari, notice it comes to the front then minimizes (very annoying). Now minimize the rearmost finder window, see how it stays in the back and minimizes. This is how all apps work in panther.
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Just started up after installing it. I'm laughing out loud at the *slickness* of the damn thing. Laughing out of joy. The way applications start up so damn fast is nuts. I love the scrolling in Safari -- it's the same exact version I have on Jaguar (1.0), but I swear it doesn't do this there. Sheets slide down incredibly fast now. Various other interface tweaks that are really cool.
OK, let me play around some more . . .
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You gosh darn lucky people. :mad:
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Originally posted by Webmaster:
Just started up after installing it. I'm laughing out loud at the *slickness* of the damn thing. Laughing out of joy. The way applications start up so damn fast is nuts. I love the scrolling in Safari -- it's the same exact version I have on Jaguar (1.0), but I swear it doesn't do this there. Sheets slide down incredibly fast now. Various other interface tweaks that are really cool.
OK, let me play around some more . . .
windows calls that "Smooth Scrolling" I don't really like it, it stops after I stop, it looks better though. I wish you could turn it off.
Also, tabs are all gone (not safari) I mean tabs as in tabs for programs, here is a screenshot...
www.skinner.com/jeffberg/files/notabs.jpg (http://www.skinner.com/jeffberg/files/notabs.jpg)
Those aqua buttons, password, picture, etc. Would have
been tabs on Jag.
Seeing how all animations are smoother in Panther, I would assume that Apple enhanced QE. I don't like how fast they go though. I kind of wish they were still like they were in Jag. Every animation, from sheets, to minimizing is like 2x as fast, too fast for me.
[ June 26, 2003: Message edited by: jeffberg: Mac Capitalist ]
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Some bad news...
Toast Titanium Won't open in Panther. This is bad because Disk Copy seems to have of been combined into the finder in 10.3. So I have no way to erase a cdrw or dvdrw without booting into Jag or, I may be able to run Jag's disk copy... lemme see. Nope, it quits when I select erase. Well... just have to wait I guess. Well its off to bed with me. More Panther Reports in the morning.
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i..... want........ panther.....
but i cannot use warez [/lie]
all i can say is share the wealth duders ;)
(by the way. i hate you all for having it right now. jealous like no other (http://smile.gif) :mad: :D
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webmaster,
just out of curiosity, wut build is ur copy of Panther.
Mine is 7A179
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Another Panther Update...
So far after doing some Photoshop and Finder and iPhoto all at the same time, I have found that currentl, Panther has really really bad process management. Photoshop and iPhoto can slow everything to a crawl while in the background and Finder does it even worse. So to make it work all good I had to manually manage the Procsesis. I used the Renice command in the terminal to set the Finder to +20 (lowest priority) Photoshop +19. This way the Huge app and the unstable app will never get in the way of any of my other Apps. They will fix this I'm sure, just a simple matter of redefining default priorities (and fixing this crash tastic finder)
Also, more bad news, those who expected the new Finder to be Cocoa (like me). Your dreams have been shot down. It is still Carbon, sry.
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not that anyone seems to give a shit, but I feel it is my duty to report anything I find in Panther of interest.
I created a webdav server via apache as I have done before with Jag. I checked the info of the server after I connected to it. It said I had 2 TB left on it and 2TB total size. That was a weird bug. I am not sure if that is from the server or the client. I am also not sure if Jaguar did this too. Just weird... I wish I had 2 TB
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Another update.
I finally got a hold of the Developer tools, I then tried to install wget from source, no go. I then tried the darwin port thing again (last time I tried it couldn't download the stuff it needed) this time it downloaded everything it needed, its just like Fink but much easier and automatic. I installed wget off of it fine. Good job apple and opendarwin.org.
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I spoke too soon. Right when I clicked post there was a privileges error, could not put the wget program in the /opt/local/bin directory. So I tried to switch to the root user and run it. No errors, however it still would not run when I typed wget. So then I tried /opt/local/bin/wget and viola it worked. I looked around on the net how to make aliases in the .cshrc (if that is not the right file I don't know wut is) to make it so when i typed wget it would actually type /opt/local/bin/wget. If anyone knows how to do this please let me know as I really need to know how to do this.
[ June 27, 2003: Message edited by: jeffberg: Mac Capitalist ]
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Originally posted by jeffberg: Mac Capitalist:
i got it from bit torrent. The torrent file was on the mac newsgroups if anyone wants to go hunting.
Where does one find this "bit torrent" program?
And yes I am actually watching this thread, I'm very interested in Panther
[ June 27, 2003: Message edited by: bossesjoe: too lazy to post much ]
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Originally posted by bossesjoe: too lazy to post much:
Where does one find this "bit torrent" program?
And yes I am actually watching this thread, I'm very interested in Panther
[ June 27, 2003: Message edited by: bossesjoe: too lazy to post much ]
Bittorrent is at:
http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/download.html (http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/download.html)
and the Torrent files for Jag and Dev tools are at:
http://bittorrent.kicks-ass.net (http://bittorrent.kicks-ass.net)
*Quite often you get a tracker error (u will see it when u open a torrent file) just leave the torrent file open and eventually it will start downloading. Oh ya, be good to the community, leave Bit Torrent on after your finished and don't move the downloaded files, this way you can help others download wut u already downloaded. Of course when u need to restart to intsall Panther, don't let it slow you down, but use OSX's multitasking and just leave it there until the last possible second.
[ June 27, 2003: Message edited by: jeffberg: Mac Capitalist ]
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after about a day of use, Panther is starting to calm down. Getting a little bit slower and a lot more stable. The finder hasn't crashed on me yet today. I have my whole site back online on Panther and on Jag, so I can be in either OS and my site will work fine. Since school is over I think I'm gonna start working on actually building my Web Site. I love Panther, Expos
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Actually, I would prefer the Systems Preferences to close when you close the window because I always winde up leaving it open and I don't use it very much. Maybe there should be a way to customize this . . .
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Originally posted by M51DPS:
Actually, I would prefer the Systems Preferences to close when you close the window because I always winde up leaving it open and I don't use it very much. Maybe there should be a way to customize this . . .
I guess it is a matter of opinion.
More updates...
The finder is very cool, the User Centric Finder as Stevey calls it. However it has one flaw (a bug type flaw, not a design flaw). When you have items stored in the left column then u access those items by any way other method than that column it shows the entire path to what you selected. The path starts with "Computer" which is no longer even necissary in the Finder and should be removed completely. After that is just finds it how you would find it in Jaguar.
I am pleased to report that in the prefs when you select "Open New Windows in Column View" it actually opens them in column view, unlike Jag.
Also in the Finder is a Network Neighborhood type feature, very similar to Windows. I like it much better than the Connect to box, however it sucks. It rarely works, and I have never gotten it to work with a windows box. So generally I end up using Connect to anyways, which is much different. It no longer searches for computers on your network. You just have to know the path. Thankfully the macs can access eachother with Rendezvous names (which is the name of your computer, spaces replaced with -'s, then.local.. so My Computer's name is PowerMac, my Rendezvous name is powermac.local) I have not tried to connect with a Windows computer because I don't want to go searching for its IP address and I have had no reason to do so so far.
More on the Finder, you can still drag files and stuff to the toolbar on the top if you don't want to use the one on the side... however, there is no way to hide the side toolbar without hiding the top toolbar. Its either all or none. Also when u select Use Small Icons and Text the back arrow, action button, and view buttons don't get smaller, they just look more embedded into the metal (a bug, I'm sure)
A sign of a bad hack... The network neighborhood thing I was talking about seems to just find the network drives u want to connect to.. then it mounts them but hides them, if I look in /Volumes they are mounted there, but if I look in "Computer" or on the desktop or on the left column of the finder they are not there. Then comes the problem of them getting unmounted which doens't always happen and errors happen. It is just a bad hack, mounting stuff on the fly then hiding it. Apple should find a new way to do this. Nothing good can happen from this sort of hack.
So that is probably that for tonight, I'm sure I'll find more stuff to post tomorrow.
*Edit* Never mind about what I said about hiding the left column. You can hide it without hiding the top column, no worries.
[ June 27, 2003: Message edited by: jeffberg: Mac Capitalist ]
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i also have the panther preview, and it doesn't seem like too much of an improvement.
some good changes, like the finder, font book, expose, etc.. but nothing too major. to me, expose would be the feature i like best.
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i really would like to be able to have a choice between closing the app by hitting the button on the window, or having to go to the apple menu and actually quitting the app. would be nice ;)
it is nice to be able to close all the windows and still have the program running, but i tire of hitting command q or moving my mouse all the way to the top of the screen to quit the app. oh well, im sure there is a hack for it somewhere.
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Originally posted by ecsyle:951:
i really would like to be able to have a choice between closing the app by hitting the button on the window, or having to go to the apple menu and actually quitting the app. would be nice ;)
it is nice to be able to close all the windows and still have the program running, but i tire of hitting command q or moving my mouse all the way to the top of the screen to quit the app. oh well, im sure there is a hack for it somewhere.
it is a godsend to be able to leave apps open. I wish I could do it on Windows, but they take too much screenspace. Also, you don't have to go to the top of the window or use cmd q to quit. You can control/right click on the icon in the dock to quit.. or my fav, which works in Jag and works better in Panther. hold cmd then push tab until you get the to the program u want to quit, then push the q key. I do that all the time. Clearing out open apps just cmd tab q tab q tab q tab q. Also if you push h it will hide the app.
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Update
I really don't like how files look when they are selected now. It looks a lot like Windows XP (even though XP doesn't do this, if it did, it would look just like this).. screenshot (http://www.skinner.com/jeffberg/files/file.jpg)
I don't mind the semitransparent square around the icon, but the bubble around the name is what bothers me.
More bad news. Camino and Firebird don't work. Camino opens and you can type in any url and it instantly says it is finished loading but nothing loads. Firebird just quits. Mozilla.org might have a bitch of a problem with Panther, since it doesn't seem to be how they are coded, but the Mozilla engine itself. Since Camino is cocoa I can assume that it would work until it needed the Gecko engine, since Firebird isn't cocoa (I think) it just sort of quits.
Preview is much faster at reading PDF's. I'd say at least twice as fast as Jag's preview.
The Finder has a lot of problems unmounting discs and network drives and stuff, sometimes it just doesn't do it and the only way I have found to unmount them is to restart.
A lot of buttons, especially in Photoshop get cut off half way.
Just remember this is BETA software, I'm sure all of these bugs will get fixed and I'm sure Mozilla will be either fixed by Apple or by the Mozilla people.
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well, this is my last day in American.... for 2 weeks
I'm heading off to Germany
no new stuff on Panther from me for 2 weeks.
I'm sure ThinkSecret will have much better coverage of Panther than i do.
so Auf Wiedersehen
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Which town?
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Originally posted by Refalm:
Which town?
whole bunch
we start in Frankfurt then Berlin then Wittenberg then Nuremburg then Munich then Salzburg then Neschwanstein then Strasbourg then back to Frankfurt to come back to the Good old USA.
Its gonna be a tiring trip, but fun.
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Sounds really cool. Have fun (http://smile.gif)
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Originally posted by jeffberg: Mac Capitalist:
it is a godsend to be able to leave apps open. I wish I could do it on Windows, but they take too much screenspace. Also, you don't have to go to the top of the window or use cmd q to quit. You can control/right click on the icon in the dock to quit.. or my fav, which works in Jag and works better in Panther. hold cmd then push tab until you get the to the program u want to quit, then push the q key. I do that all the time. Clearing out open apps just cmd tab q tab q tab q tab q. Also if you push h it will hide the app.
i know about the ways to close apps in jag. When i click and hold on an icon in the dock, i get a menu to quit the app. no problem. But i still want the choice to have some apps, or all apps, or however i want it, to ba able to be "quit" by closing the window. Of course, that can get weird for some apps like photoshop, which doesnt have a main window. If i close the image, will it shut down the app? kinda sucks that way. Maybe it is best to leave it the way it is ;)
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I really don't like how files look when they are selected now. It looks a lot like Windows XP (even though XP doesn't do this, if it did, it would look just like this).. screenshot
I don't mind the semitransparent square around the icon, but the bubble around the name is what bothers me.
i kinda like it. I have a question; can you click on an icon, by clicking in the negative space? you know how some apps icons have a lot of empty space, and you cannot click it unless you are directly touch it. Is it now based on a set area, like the "hit" area on an empty button in flash? That has been one of my biggest gripes with jaguar, not being to able to select an icon because my cursor wasn't directly on top of it.
I do not think i was very clear on this. I will try to upload some illsutrations to help me, uh... illustrate it..
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I wish Panther would run worth two shits in a bag on my not-so-old iMac/600.
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Originally posted by ecsyle:951:
i kinda like it. I have a question; can you click on an icon, by clicking in the negative space? you know how some apps icons have a lot of empty space, and you cannot click it unless you are directly touch it. Is it now based on a set area, like the "hit" area on an empty button in flash? That has been one of my biggest gripes with jaguar, not being to able to select an icon because my cursor wasn't directly on top of it.
I do not think i was very clear on this. I will try to upload some illsutrations to help me, uh... illustrate it..
No. You still have to select the icon or an icons shadow (if it has one) you cannot click on negative space around the icon. Also, you cannot click the space on the inside of the icon (if its blank, that is) but Quicktime somehow managed to avoid this and with the QT icon you can select the negative space in the middle.
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Or you could just click on the name . . .
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I wish Panther would run worth two shits in a bag on my not-so-old iMac/600.
I know the feeling, my dad got a new powerbook g4 15 inch with 600 mhz and its pretty damn slow on jaguar so I showed hom how to boot OS 9 on it