Stop Microsoft
Operating Systems => macOS => Topic started by: Pissed_Macman on 25 May 2002, 14:23
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Go to hell. You are being gullable by letting Microsoft control you this way. i have seen too much data supporting mac and flaming windows to disregard it all based on a few trivial articles you post. Windows XP was only made to look more advanced than whatever the hell crummy OS came before it to make it appear that Microsoft can compete with Mac OS X. But they can't and Microsoft most likely never will be able to again.
You won't listen to me when I tell you this because you're and idiot, but you are completely clueless and Microsoft is manipulating you.
I don't feel like arguing with you. I've heard it all before from your kind and it was all pathetic. if you want some reasons why Mac is better go to my site (http://macrevolution.cjb.net) and look in the articles/evange section.
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Hey psyjax, you seem to be a tad bit moody toward some of the Windoids here. What made you change tactics?
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I will be putting some stuff in your site in my newsletter!
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Seattle? Your near Redmond sonny (http://smile.gif)
You now have a perfect oppertunity to drive to Redmond with some friends to throw eggs at the M$ building :D
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Originally posted by Refalm:
Seattle? Your near Redmond sonny (http://smile.gif)
You now have a perfect oppertunity to drive to Redmond with some friends to throw eggs at the M$ building :D
Eggs...... ba ahahahaha... no throw 747's at them!
747's being flown by dirty arabs at them!
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:D :eek: (http://redface.gif) :rolleyes: :( (http://smile.gif) :cool: :confused:
oops posted in wrong topic
[ May 25, 2002: Message edited by: Garden GNOME ]
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Well, "Macman" I guess I really put the bug up your butt to get you so upset like that. I went to your website and all I can say is how many brain cells did it take to make it? Three? Four? I know it must be difficult, but you need to understand it is you, not I, who has been hopelessly brainwashed by the Mac community, and you are clearly suffering from a severe case of psychosis induced by surrounding yourself in this devious environment. You clearly haven't used Windows XP at all, or you would see as I do that it is a superb operating system and there is no comparison between it and the overpriced rubbish that you and your ilk endorse. Owning a Mac is akin to owning Nike shoes; you pay for a name and enjoy looking down on "mere" PC users.
You are an idiot of impossible magnitude and therefore it is pointless for me to go on, as I doubt your meager brain will be able to assimilate what I have already stated.
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Originally posted by Windows XP User #5225982375:
Well, "Macman" I guess I really put the bug up your butt to get you so upset like that. I went to your website and all I can say is how many brain cells did it take to make it? Three? Four? I know it must be difficult, but you need to understand it is you, not I, who has been hopelessly brainwashed by the Mac community, and you are clearly suffering from a severe case of psychosis induced by surrounding yourself in this devious environment. You clearly haven't used Windows XP at all, or you would see as I do that it is a superb operating system and there is no comparison between it and the overpriced rubbish that you and your ilk endorse. Owning a Mac is akin to owning Nike shoes; you pay for a name and enjoy looking down on "mere" PC users.
You are an idiot of impossible magnitude and therefore it is pointless for me to go on, as I doubt your meager brain will be able to assimilate what I have already stated.
WOW! Wasn't this an incredible feet of mental masterbation.
I own a PC right now running 2k (a much better OS than XP). 2k Is faster and not as bloated as XP, it also seems more stable as I have few if any application malfunctions. On my Mac I have VPC running windows 98SE. My friend runs XP, and since we basically live in each others room, I get to use it alot.
So I have used windows, and in fact still use it. The 2k Box is my game console (paid $150 for it wooo!), and I keep VPC around for playing old DOS games. For all of my other compunting, I use OSX.
I have seen all of these windows OS's crash, malfunction, or just plain do wierd stuff. I have never had OSX crash on me, ever.
I don't care about clock speeds exceeding 180Ghz, I don't care about having 2billion gigabytes of ram. Because I know, that my computer is so well optamised and tweeked to take advantage of the hardware and software it's running, that any PC would be hard pressed to match it.
Furthermore, OS X is based on UNIX. I don't care how much you love duble clicking my computer, and having to deal with spyware, worry about virii, or just plain put up with wondowz' BS. You can't beat UNIX for rock solid, heavy deuty computing. My dual 8 screems next to this 1200 AMD. Using PS7, Illo 10, and goLive is a dream on this computer, and I couldent imagine achiving the same level of productivaty on a pc.
I suppose you can benchmark faster clockspeeds, and process time to say that you can do it faster or something, but I find Windows it'self to be a hindrance. The interface has, since it's inception, been badly designed. Things are done illogicaly, and it takes an inordinate amount of steps to get something done.
A fun thing about OS X is that once you get your UNIX skills up (I have been learning). You can issue entire strings of commands into it, and bypass clicking all together.
Oh ya, this is another small miracle behing OSX, even though it's UNIX, it is still the most userfriendly intuative GUI in the world. Makes UNIX kind of painless to get into since I just learn a few commands here and there and use the interface to suppliment what I don't know.
Are Mac's overpriced? It depends if you value what you are getting. You pose Nike shoes as an example, I say it's more like a BMW vs. an Accord. You may get the Accord to run faster, but the BMW will allways be a plesure to drive, and never fall apart.
As far as being brainwashed by the Mac community that M$ is bad. I don't think you have to look far to see what a load of crap that statement is. Wether you like Mac's or not, M$ is not a force for good in the world. And to tell you the truth, that to me, is a major reason I go out of my way not to use their products.
I wouldent want Apple, M$, or the GNU, controling the computer industry (well, maybe the GNU (http://smile.gif) ), Because that would be bad for everyone.
M$ is doing their best to try and dominate evry corner of the computer market in underhanded malicious ways. Have you read the Halloween Documents? M$ basicaly outlines their plan for taking out Linux and open source, they even admit in the document that Open source software is more powerfull and viable than their own proprietary stuff! They discuss using FUD against the open source community as well as other questionable methods for attacking "a process" rather than a company. Sounds like the thought police to me.
In conclusion, you may not like Mac's, or Linux (but to tell you the truth I don't think you have ever given eather of these a good shot), but certainly you can't stand behing M$.
Linux and OSX are, and allways have been years ahead of windows. M$ has mined these two sources for years and have created a hybrid monster. That is a fact.
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Originally posted by Macman:
Hey psyjax, you seem to be a tad bit moody toward some of the Windoids here. What made you change tactics?
Boredom :D
Nothing more fun than a little flaming.
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i have to say, i'm a new poster here but not a new Mac user. i've been using them from the puny IIe through the 6205 and quad 800s , and i'm typing this from my cute lil indigo bubble. and i'm going to art skool at Art Inst., where the vast majority of units and programming are on macs (i'm in heaven! :D )
my point is, perhaps i'm biased (and who gives a raw red rip?) but that i know mac OS inside and out (well, more or less. i can make it do anything i want or need it to) and that's more than i could ever say of the tangled up Windoze os es.
i don't like the way MS bulldozes through, making a nice selection of programming (ex, messenger) but making it more complicated for those who choose to be different in the process--
this is the Internet, not Bill Gates' personally licensed exclusive-membership playground. we should be free to choose what hardware/OS/software we want. let's try and fix it so it works that way.
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Hey Misfit, is that really your pic? I think I have seen you on another board... hmmmm... i forget the name of it, some goth board or something :D (no offence)
Anyway, wellcome to fuckMicrosoft!
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Originally posted by psyjax:
Hey Misfit, is that really your pic? I think I have seen you on another board... hmmmm... i forget the name of it, some goth board or something :D (no offence)
Anyway, wellcome to fuckMicrosoft!
1] yes that is really my pic, and misfit#57 is my identity on almost every board i use.
2] the only board i post on regularly anymore is the Pitchshifter.com forum, but i'm registered and have posted at straightdope.com, atthedrive-in.net, wizards of the coast, and on some network54.com boards (including mine, available thru my site)
anywho well thanx for the warm welcome, lol
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Ya, Im absolutely sure I have seen that pic before. Oh well, whatver. I go to art school too, and Mac's rock! I'm actually taking comics and cartooning, have a current obsession with Dan Clowes which I recomend to all on the forum.
Anyway...
You should try and get your hands on OSX, it's awsome!
Hey, here is a great link for Mac stuff OSX and OS9:
http://osx.hyperjeff.net/ (http://osx.hyperjeff.net/)
It has tons of little utillities and stuff. And don't forget:
http://www.resexcellence.com/ (http://www.resexcellence.com/)
An even better resource!
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Originally posted by psyjax:
have a current obsession with Dan Clowes
i love you. (http://redface.gif) no. seriously. hehe
*current project is a self-publication that i hope to reprint via fantagraphics*
\m/
:D
back to computer oriented things....
thanx for the links, btw :D
oki
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ps--rumor has it at my house that my grad present is a factory refurbed unit of raw power which will undoubtedly have osX.
we have so much garbage on this computer atm (ex, about 1.4 gig of mp3s) that we're kind of leery about messing with the OS on here atm. :S ah well
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*current project is a self-publication that i hope to reprint via fantagraphics*
Ah, self publication!
Hehe, yes. You should have a chat with Dave Sim or Scott McLeod on that. They have some interesting thoughts :D
I have a friend who wrote them e-mail on the subject and they responded with mixed results. One said Self-publication is a dead end road, the other said it was the only way to go.
As far as i know, Fantagraphics is interested in compleat work and will publish anything of quality. One of my teachers is Ted Stern, he does Fuzz and Pluck for Fantagraphics. I also head Sturm, the guy who did Golem's Mighty swing. He was an awsome teacher! He was all about self publishing, but after pitching his story for Fantagraphics, they picked him up overnight. Now the guy is nominated for an Eisner.
Go figure.
Whatever...
Comix is a hard road to travel, a dieing industry overrun with stupif superheroes and bad art. I hope I am one of the lucky few to one day participate in it :D or at least, one of those brightly shining gems that crop up every once in a while.
Oh ya, Jeff Smith has some interesting thoughts on Self Publication too if I recall corectly. And don't forget Will Eisner!
Shit... This is one hell of a digression. Ok ok... enugh off subject crap.
This is worse than when Void stated talking about his army days.
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Originally posted by psyjax:
*current project is a self-publication that i hope to reprint via fantagraphics*
Ah, self publication!
Hehe, yes. You should have a chat with Dave Sim or Scott McLeod on that. They have some interesting thoughts :D
I have a friend who wrote them e-mail on the subject and they responded with mixed results. One said Self-publication is a dead end road, the other said it was the only way to go.
As far as i know, Fantagraphics is interested in compleat work and will publish anything of quality. One of my teachers is Ted Stern, he does Fuzz and Pluck for Fantagraphics. I also head Sturm, the guy who did Golem's Mighty swing. He was an awsome teacher! He was all about self publishing, but after pitching his story for Fantagraphics, they picked him up overnight. Now the guy is nominated for an Eisner.
Go figure.
Whatever...
Comix is a hard road to travel, a dieing industry overrun with stupif superheroes and bad art. I hope I am one of the lucky few to one day participate in it :D or at least, one of those brightly shining gems that crop up every once in a while.
Oh ya, Jeff Smith has some interesting thoughts on Self Publication too if I recall corectly. And don't forget Will Eisner!
Shit... This is one hell of a digression. Ok ok... enugh off subject crap.
This is worse than when Void stated talking about his army days.
i responded to this in the topic i started over in the lounge, oki? (http://smile.gif)
let's leave this topic out for the windoze/alt.os user debate...
[ May 25, 2002: Message edited by: misfit#57 ]
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can i be the first to come back on topic?
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Originally posted by Windows XP User #5225982375:
Well, "Macman" I guess I really put the bug up your butt to get you so upset like that. I went to your website and all I can say is how many brain cells did it take to make it? Three? Four?
is that all you can say? can't you think of any other comments? you must take a long time to get together a whole opinion then! :D quote:
I know it must be difficult, but you need to understand it is you, not I, who has been hopelessly brainwashed by the Mac community, and you are clearly suffering from a severe case of psychosis induced by surrounding yourself in this devious environment.
Ho ho ho! i like a good laugh in the afternoon! quote:
You clearly haven't used Windows XP at all, or you would see as I do that it is a superb operating system and there is no comparison between it and the overpriced rubbish that you and your ilk endorse.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! This seriously caused me to laugh out loud!!! ha ha ha!!1 oh ho ho!! aah... quote:
Owning a Mac is akin to owning Nike shoes; you pay for a name and enjoy looking down on "mere" PC users.
Now this i actually agree with, EXCEPT, are Apple responsible for forced underpaid child labour? Are Nike? THAT is what is important. On the other hand, MacMan has recently amended his 'PC Users' stance to include only Microsoft users, why? i'll leave you to work it out.
Use a bit of paper if you have trouble.
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You are an idiot of impossible magnitude and therefore it is pointless for me to go on, as I doubt your meager brain will be able to assimilate what I have already stated.
Well, that's really convincing. I have got to the end of your rant and I am still waiting for the substance of what you have to say!
Why not post something with some information in it next time and give us all something to think about?
Good luck, maybe you could get a friend to help you. (http://smile.gif)
edit - WindowsXPuser5267546348576347856347856385643658, here's a little excercise for you: http://chris.carline.org/000112.html (http://chris.carline.org/000112.html)
oh yes, and
http://support.microsoft.com/def....q192486 (http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q192486)
on second thoughts, don't bother, that stuff'll be way over your head...
[ May 25, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
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I don't know what you are trying to point out with those links, Calum, but I compiled that code on my machine with VC++ and it did not crash windows, so I'm sorry to spoil your hardon like that. I can, however, give you something to enter on your Linux box. Why don't you type cat /dev/mem > /dev/mem?
After you do that, why not browse this web site with Konqueror?
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2002/tc20020516_7229.htm (http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2002/tc20020516_7229.htm)
And, while you're at it, have a small look (http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/) at the bugs reported in Mozilla during the last 24 hours alone.
[ May 25, 2002: Message edited by: Windows XP User #5225982375 ]
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Originally posted by Windows XP User #5225982375:
I don't know what you are trying to point out with those links, Calum, but I compiled that code on my machine with VC++ and it did not crash windows, so I'm sorry to spoil your hardon like that. I can, however, give you something to enter on your Linux box. Why don't you type cat /dev/mem > /dev/mem?
After you do that, why not browse this web site with Konqueror?
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2002/tc20020516_7229.htm (http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2002/tc20020516_7229.htm)
And, while you're at it, have a small look (http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/) at the bugs reported in Mozilla during the last 24 hours alone.
[ May 25, 2002: Message edited by: Windows XP User #5225982375 ]
128 bugs in one day? Damn, I knew there were problems with Mozilla(which is a good reason why I wont ditch IE). That just verifies my faith in IE. ;P
(EDIT)That goes to show that there are alot of problems with Open Source software(probably more problems than Microsoft software)..the problems just aren't turned into worldwide news because Open Source software isn't popular enough to justify making a big deal out of the problems(EDIT)
[ May 25, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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i hate to burst your inane pattern of thought Zombie, but i'm sure that MS finds hundreds of bugs in their products everyday. If it was open-source they would find even more and they would get fixed a hell of a lot faster than waiting for MS to put out another bugfix OS.
[ May 25, 2002: Message edited by: Master of Reality ]
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Almost all of those Mozilla bugs will get fixed very quickly.
MS gets somewhere on the order of 200 bugs submitted everyday for IE, and they don't fix most of them. And when the release a patch or new version they casue more problems than they fix. There was a big one recently where a patch to fix privacy problem made it so that any website can read any IE cookie, effectively eliminating internet privacy in IE. Please don't make 128 bugs seem like a huge number, when IE gets more in the same time period. Any large program(like a web browser) has bugs that need to be worked out.
cat /dev/mem > /dev/mem
If my slightly rusty knowledge of the cat command is right wouldn't that copy /dev/mem to /dev/mem?
And the /dev section usually resets on every reboot. So Linux would fix any problems casued by that next reboot; while Windows won't fix device problems unless you reinstall the device drivers.
I'd still like to know if you've ever actually used Linux. And if so for how long before you gave up.
EDIT: and that code that was linked to puts XP in an endless loop. It can take up to an hour to crash the syatem.
[ May 25, 2002: Message edited by: Heru ]
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haw haw haw! "hardon"! jeesus!!! what are you on, XP dork?
well i didn't write that code, so fuck it, and i'll never be testing it out on XP either.
Also, as mentioned above, there is no hope for you if you think thst a product is duff because it admits it has bugs. Everything starts off full of bugs. If a program or system actively encourages people to report and fix the bugs then the software concerned gets very good, very quickly. If not... well we've all seen the results.
That's why UNI/BSD and so on were so stable to start with. They had a bugs section in the manuals, so that the people reading the manual could fix the bugs and share their work, and also so that AT&T would fix half of the bugs themselves before they brought out a new version so they wouldn't have to have such an embarrassingly large bugs section!
It's a system that works, so why fuck with it?
Go back to your toy operating system, it suits you.....
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I'd still like to know if you've ever actually used Linux. And if so for how long before you gave up.
I'm using Linux right now as I type this. What, you think I'd actually dog something I've never used? I'm testing websites with Konqueror and Mozilla to see which ones they fail miserably on; it's quite fun. I also did a science fair project on Linux where I used it solely for over a year... how else would I know it sucked? If I were a competent programmer or could talk to some I could make Linux 10x better than Windows but those geeks don't listen or are too afraid of making it usable by normal people; they want it that way so they can feel better about themselves that they use an operating system that requires the reading of 27 books just to figure it out. The Linux geeks also cry out whenever anyone mentions standardizing Linux as if they are facists or something.. that kind of bullshit is why Linux will fail. "Choice" is good but the fools let it get in the way of the greater good that could be achieved.
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I started using YDL from an almost purely MacOS background. I learned Linux just messing with it, no documentation aside from online help.
Wasn't THAT hard, maybe Windoze does make you dumb (http://tongue.gif)
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Someone discovers an IE bug, every news company posts an article about it, MS puts a patch for it for free download.
Someone discovers a bug in an open source browser, NO ONE posts ANY info about it, a fellow user fixes it and it's spread around.
That's just it. MS gets more publicity than any other company I know of. I've been told that the Linux kernel is updated almost everyday, not sure if it's true, but that would mean that Linux is being fixed/made better more so than Windows is.
Just a thought, can't put a lot of water behind it becuase I don't know myself how often the Linux kernel is updated.
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Also, Macman, ihateapple.com is back up.
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http://forum.fuckmicrosoft.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=6&t=000102 (http://forum.fuckmicrosoft.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=6&t=000102)
well, now, that'd explain the "ihateapple.com i back" thread, now wouldn't it.....
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...aside from online help.
Yes, which I'm sure involved reading many a maddening "HOW-TO" page, and it just serves to prove how counter-intuitive the Linux system actually is. It is a hodgepodge of often redundant, broken, and badly-interworking applications and tools that is a nightmare to navigate. Not only that, but many of them are quite useless. How can you say Windows XP is bloated in any way when at the same time you see no problem with Red Hat Linux containing an applet that puts a cartoon fish on your desktop, whose purpose, according to the "about" section is "to waste system resources?"
Some people may like how Linux works, but I'd prefer not to develop carpal tunnel syndrome typing a hundred pages of text on a terminal just to set up a modem. (This isn't usually the case with a modern distriubtion but it has been for me, since Linux didn't particularly like my brand of modem)
Arrgh, see what I mean by "badly interworking?" I can't even copy and paste this writing from StarOffice to Konqueror without first copying it to XEdit! And the font rendering seems to differ with every application!
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Finally you make some valid complaints. I would write more, but I'm kind of buisy today.
None the less...
Linux has a long way to go before it becomes truely user friendly. None the less, I think for what it has achived in so little time, it truely is astounding. In the time line of things, linux and it's desktop environment KDE and GNOME, are on the cusp of becomeing on par, and even exceeding all of the big GUI's.
Remember, these things have only been around for a few years, weras MacOS and Windows have had 20 and 10 years respectively. Thus, I think the linux model is a good one, and will soon prove better than the commercial alternatives.
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Well, "Macman" I guess I really put the bug up your butt to get you so upset like that. I went to your website and all I can say is how many brain cells did it take to make it? Three? Four? I know it must be difficult, but you need to understand it is you, not I, who has been hopelessly brainwashed by the Mac community, and you are clearly suffering from a severe case of psychosis induced by surrounding yourself in this devious environment. You clearly haven't used Windows XP at all, or you would see as I do that it is a superb operating system and there is no comparison between it and the overpriced rubbish that you and your ilk endorse. Owning a Mac is akin to owning Nike shoes; you pay for a name and enjoy looking down on "mere" PC users.
You are an idiot of impossible magnitude and therefore it is pointless for me to go on, as I doubt your meager brain will be able to assimilate what I have already stated.
Did you even look at my site? Do you know how much anti-Windows stuff is in my articles/evange section? If you had looked at only a fraction of it I'm sure you would have a different opinion. Well, probably not. Microsoft has got you in their back pocket. I doubt anything could sway to our side now.
Think about this: why would Apple brainwash anyone? They don't need to because they actually create quality products (all except for those damned hockey-puck mice), although I do wish they would advertise a little more. You see, Apple spends their money making their actual product instead of spending it on advertising, unlike a certain monopoly I could name. I would also wager that Microsoft uses some form of hypnosis or something. I know Coca-cola and McDonald's put sub-cinscious messages into their ads, so Microsoft must.
WinXP a superb operating system? That is the biggest auximoron I have ever heard. My friend (who's unfortunately a Windows luser) switched from Windows ME to Windows XP about six months ago and from that time right up to now he has had more problems that i can count. Even he, who hates Macs, has admitted that Windows XP sucks. Look anywhere, type WinXP into any search engine, and you will only hear about how it is a crummy OS. Do the same with OS X and you will only hear good things. That is all the proof I need.
Hey, I think my meager brain assimilated what you said. There was really nothing behind your rude words, so it wasn't very hard.
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I'm using Linux right now as I type this with my forehead. What, you think I'd actually be able to type properly with my hands? I'm testing websites with Konqueror and Mozilla to see which ones have got more porn and popups; it's quite fun if you know what I mean. I also did a kindergarten project on Linux where I used it solely for over a minute... how else would I know it sucked? If I were a competent programmer or could at least write I could make Linux 6 squillion times better than Windows but those geeks don't listen to me for some reason or are too afraid of making it usable by normal people; they want it that way so they can feel better about themselves that they use an operating system that requires the reading of some words just to figure it out. I cry when one of them tells me I should learn to read, I am just too dumb! Computers should appeal to the dumbest people and that's why I like using Windows! The Linux geeks also cry out whenever anyone mentions standardizing Linux as if they are facists or something.. They are all against faces, that kind of bullshit is why Linux will fail. It's because Only geeks use it nar nar nar, you are all geeks and you suck. Poo! ha ha! "Choice" is never good and the fools (that's those damn geeks who know how to read again) let it get in the way of the greater good that could be achieved. I mean, my dream is for a computer operating system that you wouldn't even need to use. You would just switch on the machine, and get instant porn.
I'm sure reading a "HOW-TO" page is your idea of fun but I have better things to do with my time, huh huh huh! And it just serves to prove how counter- intuitive the Linux system actually is. It is a hodgepodge of often redundant, broken, and badly-interworking applications and tools that is a nightmare to navigate. No wait a minute, isn't that something else? Not only that, but many of them are quite useless. How can you say Windows XP is bloated in any way when it comes with no programs to speak of and then scarfs up several Gb of your hard disk space? At the same time you see no problem with Red Hat Linux containing an applet (using up several precious kilobytes I am sure!!!!!) that puts a cartoon fish on your desktop, whose purpose, according to the "about" section is "to waste system resources?" I mean? It's not as if programmers are allowed to have a sense of humor! God knows I don't!
Some people may like how Linux works, but I'd prefer not to develop carpet munching syndrome typing some words on a computer just to change something (computers are just for games aren't they?).
Arrgh, see what I mean by "badly grammarring?" I can't even copy and paste this writing of spelling with not looking in a dictionary first! My brain hurts! And the font rendering seems to be completely over my head! I like windows because it always crashes before I get to start typing, so I never have that problem.
[ May 26, 2002: Message edited by: XP Loser #666 90210 ]
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Seattle? Your near Redmond sonny
You now have a perfect oppertunity to drive to Redmond with some friends to throw eggs at the M$ building
Oh, believe me, I've got something planned. :D
(http://www.enemy.org/gallery/jpg/relieve.jpg)
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XP Loser, that was the funnyest thing I have ever read! Kudos!
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Originally posted by Ctrl Alt Del 123:
Someone discovers an IE bug, every news company posts an article about it, MS puts a patch for it for free download.
Someone discovers a bug in an open source browser, NO ONE posts ANY info about it, a fellow user fixes it and it's spread around.
That's just it. MS gets more publicity than any other company I know of. I've been told that the Linux kernel is updated almost everyday, not sure if it's true, but that would mean that Linux is being fixed/made better more so than Windows is.
Just a thought, can't put a lot of water behind it becuase I don't know myself how often the Linux kernel is updated.
I don't know of the latest patch or bug of windows programs because I don't use them. If i did, Im sure I would be in the loop. However, I know were to get my latest news on Mozilla, Apple, and Linux stuff because I use them.
MS IE does have bugs you don't know about. Things like this are kept secret to avoid people taking advantage of such holes while M$ fixes them.
The same thing exists in open source. When the bug was found in mozilla not to long ago, Mozilla was pissed they made it public, because it now made people 100 times more vulnerable now that it was common knowledge. Not only that, but the team had already been aware of the bug a few days before news broke.
Oh, and they fixed it in a few weeks. Far less than many M$ updates.
It's kind of aragant to think that the whole world is somehow aware of evey fart that M$ blows, but their not. Many, like me, don't give a shit.
It only becomes a problem when M$ starts beliving their own BS and tryes to force themselves onto everyone. That's were sites like this come from :D
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I took up Macmans proof.
I went to google.com and typed in "Windows XP". I don't see any negative web pages. The 4th link down lead me to this: http://www.cnet.com/software/0-6688749.html (http://www.cnet.com/software/0-6688749.html) and then I clicked on Windows XP Nightmares. Only 3 XP nightmares are listed here. I went back and clicked on Windows XP reviewed, it got a 8 out of 10 rating from C|Net.
Ok, this time I typed this in google.com, "Windows XP sucks" and sure got a lot of pages.
Now, lets try OS X. Went to google and typed Apple OS X. I got a shit load of pages from apple.com, and a lot of fan sites... screw this. I go to C|Net to see what lies there for OS X. Found the same type of page for OS X here: http://home.cnet.com/software/0-5211419.html?tag=st.cn.sr1.ssr.sw_macos (http://home.cnet.com/software/0-5211419.html?tag=st.cn.sr1.ssr.sw_macos) I clicked on 4 scary tales, which is 1 more than the Windows XP super guid had. I also clicked on OS X Reviewed, and it also got a 8 out of 10. Mac OS X has it's problems.
Lets go find the OS deathmatchs...
Windows 2000 vs. OS X: http://home.cnet.com/software/0-429669-8-6112332-1.html (http://home.cnet.com/software/0-429669-8-6112332-1.html)
The Best and Winner OS? OS X.
Windows XP vs. OS X:
http://www.cnet.com/software/0-429669-8-7618644-1.html (http://www.cnet.com/software/0-429669-8-7618644-1.html)
The Best and Winnder OS? A tie.
I agree, each has it's advantages and disadvantages, use what works for you.
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Computers should appeal to the dumbest people and that's why I like using Windows!
Although this charlatan's rantings are clearly sarcastic, it does bring up something that you goons frequently spout off while you're wallowing in the self-gratifying sensation of blasting Microsoft.
Tell me, why do you people believe Windows is for idiots just because it's easy to use? If that is so, then Macs must be made for only the most cretinous individuals, since the person who would complain about Windows being "too hard to use" is exactly the same type of person who couldn't dress himself without having an entourage of people to help him into his pants.
I'd also like to rid you misguided souls of the notion that Windows is only for playing games and looking up porn. While it may be used for that a great deal, (Linux browsers don't display most porn pages correctly - don't ask me how I know this - and Linux doesn't have any good forms of gaming entertainment on it unless you consider spending ten hours of tweaking to get Diablo to run in a jerky wine window to be "entertainment".) Windows can actually do far, far more Linux users could ever dream of doing, which they'd see if they actually ever tried to use it. Windows is used for professional graphics design, (like the Mac but without the expensive, overrated hardware and limited software choice) audio authoring/editing, 3d animation, web page design, business, and much more, and provides programmers with an excellent, consistent GUI API to write code in. Also, while Linux may offer a "cheaper" solution for servers that looks free on the surface, the total cost of ownership can actually be higher for Linux than for Windows, especially if the IT people aren't familiar with Linux. Microsoft outlines the advantages of Windows 2000 Server over Linux and Unix on their website. (http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/migrate/default.asp) Windows can run just about every program in existance and, while most Windows programs aren't free, they are of a much higher quality than the pathetic open source imitations.
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Limux browsers render porn a lot better than windows does, and faster too. Some porn sites like to crash PCs and since they dont have any way (or at least not neraly as many ways), they crash windows all the time.
.......uhhh....nevermind... i dont know anything about how good it renders porn :rolleyes: ;) :eek:
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I'd also like to rid you misguided souls of the notion that Windows is only for playing games and looking up porn. While it may be used for that a great deal, (Linux browsers don't display most porn pages correctly - don't ask me how I know this - and Linux doesn't have any good forms of gaming entertainment on it unless you consider spending ten hours of tweaking to get Diablo to run in a jerky wine window to be "entertainment".) Windows can actually do far, far more Linux users could ever dream of doing, which they'd see if they actually ever tried to use it. Windows is used for professional graphics design, (like the Mac but without the expensive, overrated hardware and limited software choice) audio authoring/editing, 3d animation, web page design, business, and much more, and provides programmers with an excellent, consistent GUI API to write code in. Also, while Linux may offer a "cheaper" solution for servers that looks free on the surface, the total cost of ownership can actually be higher for Linux than for Windows, especially if the IT people aren't familiar with Linux. Microsoft outlines the advantages of Windows 2000 Server over Linux and Unix on their website. (http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/migrate/default.asp) Windows can run just about every program in existance and, while most Windows programs aren't free, they are of a much higher quality than the pathetic open source imitations.
If you belive any of that, I got some beach front property in Arizona id like to sell you.
Please, read some of the posts conserning windows and linux when applied to servers then come back and and say something sensible.
M$ themselves know that Linux/*NIX make better servers. Ever read the Halloween Documents?
Not to mention that several of their websites run Apache on UNIX.
Kereboros and much BSD code has been swiped by M$.
When it comes to graphics apps on the Mac, you can forget windows, be cause Mac's have and have had the edge here for a very long time. Im sorry, but the two just don't compare.
The Mac is way way way way better at handling fonts, color, printing, etc. And it's a wonder you even mention that concidering that 75 percent of the graphics and film industy use macs. UNIX boxes take up most of whats left leaving NT struggling behind.
Is windowz for idiots? Yes.
Because only an idiot would put up with M$'s Bullshit.
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When it comes to graphics apps on the Mac, you can forget windows, be cause Mac's have and have had the edge here for a very long time. Im sorry, but the two just don't compare.
Don't give me those lies! Photoshop absolutely screams on my PC and actually outperforms every Mac benchmark I've seen on the internet. Font handling? In what way does Windows not handle fonts correctly? 3/4's of the film industry uses a Mac? Back up your claims with evidence! I fail to see how a program like Adobe Premiere or Maya would run better on even the fastest Mac compared to a dual-1.9 ghz PC system running Windows XP Pro. You MUST be exaggerating because I have most of the adobe graphics apps on my PC and it blazes through all of them and at less than half the cost of a Mac system. Windows XP has excellent font handling, printing, and multitasking, so if what you say is true then Adobe and others must deliberately cripple the PC versions of their apps, but from personal experience I have to refute that.
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I fail to see how a program like Adobe Premiere or Maya would run better on even the fastest Mac compared to a dual-1.9 ghz PC system running Windows XP Pro.
Your absolutely right. That's why they run they run Maya primarly on RedHat Linux and they usualy don't use premere, because, well, bacause it's crappy. FinalCut is better along with Flint on UNIX boxes.
And yes, it is around 75 percent. Read the letters to idiots in the feedback section.
My bro. works for dreamworks. All Mac's and UNIX boxes. He works with Maya every day, running RedHat under GNOME.
Go dilude yourselfe elsewere.
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Oh, and not that Photoshop is not usable on a PC. It's not bad, I have seen great benchmarks for it, but from experience, the OS it'self is a hindrance.
It sux to work with plain and simple.
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haw! christ! what a dumbass! i hope that took you ages to type in, moron! :D
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Bag of Poo's post has been deleted. He is persona non grata on this forum IMHO.
ASCII art of Penesis, is not funny.
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XP User, you mentioned you had most of the Adobe softwares on your Windows PC. Did you happen to, erm, say, pirate those?
Sorry, couldn't resist, but a group of users who are so fantastically against Free Software (read: open source stuff) should probably not be pirating.
But, sadly, it seems to be quite popular around the Windows circles; the last 8 Windows users I've talked to don't even buy games or applications or OS's anymore and just leech them off Kazaa...
I'm surprised the Windows software industry hasn't eaten itself yet.
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i think maybe we should be emailing all those windows users' IP addresses directly to the companies concerned when we suspect them to be pirating?
what d'ya think?
ps: Ctrl Alt Del 123, try this site:
www.trustworthycomputing.com (http://www.trustworthycomputing.com)
[ May 28, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
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Well Xpiss user.. I find your claims about bad networking and sucking graphics and fonts quite strange while you claim that have you used linux for an year. Of course there are some clitches and annoyances in linux but still.. I have managed to tweak up my mandrake so useful and gorgeous (can I say like this about os?? :D .. i have liquid and all) in a week! (after I read some docs. you see there is a real documentation in linux itself.)I have much better DVD playback and clearer sound in my rig nowadays not to mention how nvidia works under linux.. 2d/3d graphics are much better for that I have in my w2k.
A question: Have you ever knifed windows registry (because it's mandatory when you 'use' winblows) or any other OS configuration related stuff? Tweaking linux is far more easier and whole config stuff is put up more efficiently.
While you say that linux sucks because you used it for an year.. well it's quite a time but I HAVE FUCKING USED winblows for 10 years! until this xpiss came out (I couldn't take it anymore) and that is also quite a time to figure out what winblows is made of. I won't even tell you (if you like I'll enlight you) what shit I gone thru with different winblows version while attempting to run 24/7 industrial magnitude control software on it not to mention sql -stuff alone *shudders*.
While a customer asks me what OS should he/she pick.. I'll always say.. "Take unix or linux and if your software won't run on it and runs only on windows take dos 6.22 or NT4... everything else is murder believe me."
Can you honestly say that you CAN actually make winblows work for you as you would like? Winblows' greatest undoing is the fact that you can't control it. It does what it likes.. e.g phones home or keeps records of your personal choices while you surf on internet.. you name it.
Cheers.. happy xp using.. sincerely.. :D
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Although this charlatan's rantings are clearly sarcastic, it does bring up something that you goons frequently spout off while you're wallowing in the self-gratifying sensation of blasting Microsoft.
Tell me, why do you people believe Windows is for idiots just because it's easy to use? If that is so, then Macs must be made for only the most cretinous individuals, since the person who would complain about Windows being "too hard to use" is exactly the same type of person who couldn't dress himself without having an entourage of people to help him into his pants.
what the fuck are you talking about, monkey mind? How can you possible start posting on a forum, and just tell people what their opinions are? I am astonished to find that i think all that stuff is true considering it's all bullshit.
I am perfectly inclined to believe that there is nothing wrong with the intellects of windows users. The other forum i moderate is made up almost entirely of windows users. It's not a computer forum though, and that's what this is about.
If you devote any large part of your thoughts towards systems, you cannot help but realise that the design and implementation of windows is sorely flawed, especially when compared to many unix style systems. It is that simple. Many people use windows and they put up with the glitches, crashes and not being able to do whatever they want to do exactly the way it should be, and they live with it. Their choice. Fair enough.
I do think it is a bit of a shame that the result of this apathy is that Microsoft gets a whole load of dough and then uses it to cripple other technologies whom it sees as "competition" rather than "fellows in arms".
What i am saying though is that many people don't have the time to agonise over the ins and outs of the information industry. Those people take the easiest way out and cobble together what knowledge they have gathered, to help them get by using the software that is handed to them.
For ages i didn't know the difference between netscape and internet explorer, despite having used both, i only found out about linux in 1997, and even then, i had a little trouble understanding what an operating system actually was.
If you consider yourself one of those people, then fine, that's no problem, but why are you posting here if that is the case? If you do not consider yourself one of those people then you would be a fool not to concede that windows in all its forms is poor at best. The only thing that keeps it from floundering completely is the cheapness of the hardware it runs on, and the readily availability of third party software binaries for that platform.
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I'd also like to rid you misguided souls of the notion that Windows is only for playing games and looking up porn. While it may be used for that a great deal, (Linux browsers don't display most porn pages correctly - don't ask me how I know this
why not? how do you know this? quote:
- and Linux doesn't have any good forms of gaming entertainment on it unless you consider spending ten hours of tweaking to get Diablo to run in a jerky wine window to be "entertainment".)
blah blah blah, heard it all before, first, most games are written by third party software developers, not Microsoft, second, don't use gaming as a benchmark, since many linux users could not give a monkeys about games, ipso facto game development may not be such a priority, thirdly, actually i have heard that games run a lot better on linux if they are ported properly, myself i prefer what are known as puzzle games, and they are not so intensive on sound, video, or fast movement.
I personally think linux is great for games. Mandrake 8.2 came with 30 or 40 puzzle games, and a couple of racers and so on, and what did i get with windows? minesweeper and solitaire. (i prefer the linux versions of those) Older versions of windows come with reversi, but not anymore. Luckily that was in the default install of linux too. quote:
Windows can actually do far, far more Linux users could ever dream of doing, which they'd see if they actually ever tried to use it.
Oh come on, i was trying to be serious before, but now i can see the foam at the corners of your mouth...
"if they actually ever tried to use it"? what are you on? it does not work that way round. Many linux users are seasoned windows veterans who have chosen linux (or BSD or whatever) because they know how to use windows so well. They know it inside out, see its flaws and they run for the cover of the nearest functional OS around.
Most if not all linux users are almost boringly competent at using windows, and have a decent grasp of DOS. Put the average winXP user in front of a DOS box and see what happens. Remember to put a bucket under their seat first though to catch the drips... quote:
Windows is used for professional graphics design, (like the Mac but without the expensive, overrated hardware and limited software choice)
Again, like many of your panty sniffing ilk, you fail to acknowledge that the range of software available for an OS is almost entirely down to what software companies deign to release.
There happen to be more people releasing for the winNT/DOS platform right now than for mac (although i bet that there's more choice per user for macs rather than windows). So fucking what? do you expect apple to singlehandedly take up the shortfall, just so they can say there's just as wide a range of software for their OS?
Also, let me ask you this, and this is the real point of this paragraph, what's the point in having a wider range of software when MOST of it is turgid, and ALL of it is unstable as fuck due to being forced into the iron maiden of the operating system it has to run on? Even decent code cannot transcend an operating system's limits.
Some would say that the hardware windows runs on contributes to it's instability, giving MacOS another good advantage. I am not so sure about this myself, since a number of OSs seem to run fine on the ix86 architecture, windows of course not being one of them. Pity that's the only architecture it runs on. quote:
Windows is used for professional graphics design, ... audio authoring/editing, 3d animation, web page design, business, and much more, and provides programmers with an excellent, consistent GUI API to write code in.
well all that pish about a programming GUI is a matter of opinion. if you mean programmers don't even have to know what the programming language they use means then yes it does have that, this method has the advantage of not being able to do any debugging efficiently, and as i understand it 90% of programming is debugging, am i right?
Plus, may i point out AGAIN, that windows is *not* used for all that stuff. *Programs* are used for that stuff, every single time. Windows just gets in the way quite well.
Also, your implication is that windows is the only system that has the capability to run programs that do all that stuff, what the fuck have you been sniffing? *many* other systems are used for doing *all* that stuff and they *all* do it a good site better than windows ever will. quote:
Also, while Linux may offer a "cheaper" solution for servers that looks free on the surface, the total cost of ownership can actually be higher for Linux than for Windows, especially if the IT people aren't familiar with Linux. Microsoft outlines the advantages of Windows 2000 Server over Linux and Unix on their website. (http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/migrate/default.asp)
you are seriously joking aren't you? is that what you think free means?
It means not having to sign a non-disclosure licence when you buy a program. It means that when you get a program, you get the source code as well, so you can change it and recompile it to fit your personal needs, it means that you have the freedom to add to the program or streamline some of it to run better, and you can then sell it on, or give it away.
Free means "freedom", little boy, you have been completely swallowed up by the "me" orientation of our present culture if you missed that. Plus, why do you think Microsoft spouts all this laughable bullshit about open source anyway? because their software is shit, everybody's realising it, so they have to make a lot of noise, to try and make people think there's no alternative to windows, and that they might as well stick with it now they have got their feet wet.
Here's the true meaning of "free". (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/stallman.html) Read the whole thing or i will not be able to begin to ever take you seriously. quote:
Windows can run just about every program in existance
What a pile of arsewank! windows itself runs on only one type of computer architecture, unix runs on dozens, so does linux, so does BSD, even BeOS runs on a few. That alone puts windows out of the running for "most" programs. Add to that the fact that unix, linux and BSD run a large selection of the programs written since the sixties including the DOS ones and a good few windows ones too, and that DOS, and its bastard son "Microsoft windows" has spent all its efforts trying to be incompatible with all other programs and systems, i think that what you just said deserves the most utter contempt imaginable. quote:
and, while most Windows programs aren't free, they are of a much higher quality than the pathetic open source imitations.
and this is how you want to end this travesty of a missive? what a joke. Grow up.
There is little more to say. i have not really addressed many of your points adequately. To do so would take several pages and quite frankly, you do not deserve it. I have got better things to do than explain the facts of life to every little prepubescent that comes along here spouting closedminded rubbish, especially when i know they will only attempt to insult me in return.
You should do well in life as a professional. You know what they say, 'hire kids while they still know it all'. Why not get in touch with zombie4136145145614561315? you two could set up a business together.....
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A question: Have you ever knifed windows registry (because it's mandatory when you 'use' winblows) or any other OS configuration related stuff? Tweaking linux is far more easier and whole config stuff is put up more efficiently.
Yes I have, and fortunately Windows XP makes it easy to restore the damage done with its system restore function. Even in Windows 98 it was easy to make complete backups of Windows's configuration settings, a feat which is quite hard under Linux due to the fact that the config files are scattered everywhere under the most dubious sounding names I have ever seen. While tweaking Linux, on the other hand, I have often run into trouble and in once instance found myself unable to log into my system just because I made one tiny change to the X config file, which, believe me, needs much tweaking to get a Linux system even remotely up to par. Another time Konqueror crashed every single time I started it, and do you know what had been done to offend it? It took me forever to figure this out but it was due to a corrupt thumbnail preview created in my home directory. Linux is consumed by bugs; don't believe me? Have a look at the buglists of most Linux projects. Name 10, even 5 bugs present in XP off the top of your head. Hard isn't it?
Furthermore, it is not mandatory to even touch the registry when you use Windows. Windows XP requires almost no tweaking because it works fine to begin with, unlike Linux, where one has to edit 8 config files just to get the fonts to not look like shit.
Windows works best for most jobs; it may be a little inflexible but it WORKS damn it and without a lot of tweaking, it is easy to write for and easy to use. Windows XP is a stable, robust system, and is much better than previous consumer versions of Windows such as 9x. I don't ever want to hear about Windows being bloated because it isn't when compared to Linux and Mac OS X. Mac OS X requires a minimum of 64 megs of ram to run, and on my machine the X Window System consumes an appalling 270 megs of RAM! Sure, a stripped down, text-only version of Linux may run on a 486, but MS-DOS can run on a 286, so your argument is a charade. Besides, which OS boots up the quickest? XP. Which OS has a lightweight display manager that has direct access to the computer's hardware? XP. Which OS is the most responsive? XP. (KDE and GNOME are slow, admit it) Which OS is based on the monolithic UNIX operating system that was originally designed for big, slow mainframes? Mac OS X and Linux. Windows can be embedded in PDAs, can Mac OS do that? This "bloat" you see in XP is functionality. Besides, all OS's, Linux and Mac included, have gotten much bigger over the years, with the possible exception of the Amiga OS, which is still very lightweight. (albeit obsolete)
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and this is how you want to end this travesty of a missive? what a joke. Grow up.
You have been deceived by the Linux zealots if you truly believe that the GIMP can compare to Photoshop, that OpenOffice even comes close to MS Office, that KDE or GNOME can compare to the Windows GUI, or that all the other sleezy open-source imitations written by kids during their spare time can compare to the hundreds of thousands of quality software titles available on Windows XP.
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.., a feat which is quite hard under Linux due to the fact that the config files are scattered everywhere..
If you've ever used Linux which I sincerely doubt, despite what you're telling us, you would know that any Unix like OS doesn't use drive letters (like C, D etc) to install the system files on. It incorporates them into the directory tree, so they 're not scattered everywhere like you think. everything is in place. If you even had the brains to devote some of your time you would know you ignorant piece of shit ;)
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..and in one instance found myself unable to log into my system..
Of course, you brainless arrogant and utterly manipulated Windoze user. Configuring X under newer Linux distros is relly a piece of cake. Even a 5 yr old can do it since your hardware will automatically be configured during setup. Oh, sorry. I forgot that you lack even a 5 years old intellect. Sorry :D
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Linux is consumed by bugs
Of course. Like any other OS. Yes, even your beloved Windows. With the only difference being that those who take part in the Open Source community tend to be really honest and really work 24 hrs a day to fix those bugs unlike M$ of course.
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If you've ever used Linux which I sincerely doubt, despite what you're telling us, you would know that any Unix like OS doesn't use drive letters (like C, D etc) to install the system files on.
No, fool, I mean they are scattered in many different directories instead of one easy-to-backup registry file like Windows is.
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Of course, you brainless arrogant and utterly manipulated Windoze user. Configuring X under newer Linux distros is relly a piece of cake.
And you are a brainless, arrogant and utterly manipulated Linux user who I'm sure has never ever messed up his system screwing around in the esoteric config files attempting to discover the secret command to make his system stop locking up every time he runs an OpenGL application.
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With the only difference being that those who take part in the Open Source community tend to be really honest and really work 24 hrs a day to fix those bugs unlike M$ of course.
Actually they work on it in their spare time as a hobby.
Now that you have been sufficiently told, I can resume with my web surfing.
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The most popular PDA currently on the market is the Palm, which runs no version of windoze but PalmOS. Technology licenced from Apple's revolutionary, albeit, ill fated Newton.
And where the hell did you get the idea that mainframes were slow? Those sorts of machines are what is allowing you to browse the web right now. Industral strenghth equpment dealing in the transfer of millions of terabytes every second. Slow? I think not. Windoze? No, UNIX.
And as for bloat, here are some system requirements:
Windoze XP:
* PC with 300 megahertz or higher processor clock speed recommended; 233 MHz minimum required (single or dual processor system);* Intel Pentium/Celeron family, or AMD K6/Athlon/Duron family, or compatible processor recommended
* 128 megabytes (MB) of RAM or higher recommended (64 MB minimum supported; may limit performance and some features)
* 1.5 gigabytes (GB) of available hard disk space*
* Super VGA (800
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XPee user would make love to his XPee CD if it were not for the fact that it's just a little too loose for him...
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Yes I have, and fortunately Windows XP makes it easy to restore the damage done with its system restore function.
be suspicious of an OS one of whose main features is a program to try and salvage it when it fucks up. Read: it fucks up so often we have spent time and money on making a program to recover from the damage. quote:
Even in Windows 98 it was easy to make complete backups of Windows's configuration settings, a feat which is quite hard under Linux due to the fact that the config files are scattered everywhere under the most dubious sounding names I have ever seen.
rubbish. You rename the original of whatever you change to <originalfilename>.backup. Simple quote:
While tweaking Linux, on the other hand, I have often run into trouble and in once instance found myself unable to log into my system just because I made one tiny change to the X config file, which, believe me, needs much tweaking to get a Linux system even remotely up to par. Another time Konqueror crashed every single time I started it, and do you know what had been done to offend it? It took me forever to figure this out but it was due to a corrupt thumbnail preview created in my home directory.
that's 'cos you're a fucking dumbassed cunt who should go into butchery or something with a similar level of involvement with computers. quote:
Linux is consumed by bugs; don't believe me? Have a look at the buglists of most Linux projects. Name 10, even 5 bugs present in XP off the top of your head. Hard isn't it?
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Furthermore, it is not mandatory to even touch the registry when you use Windows. Windows XP requires almost no tweaking because it works fine to begin with, unlike Linux, where one has to edit 8 config files just to get the fonts to not look like shit.
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Windows works best for most jobs;
No, it doesn't. quote:
it may be a little inflexible but it WORKS damn it and without a lot of tweaking, it is easy to write for and easy to use.
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Windows XP is a stable, robust system, and is much better than previous consumer versions of Windows such as 9x.
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I don't ever want to hear about Windows being bloated
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because it isn't when compared to Linux and Mac OS X. Mac OS X requires a minimum of 64 megs of ram to run, and on my machine the X Window System consumes an appalling 270 megs of RAM! Sure, a stripped down, text-only version of Linux may run on a 486, but MS-DOS can run on a 286, so your argument is a charade. Besides, which OS boots up the quickest? XP. Which OS has a lightweight display manager that has direct access to the computer's hardware? XP. Which OS is the most responsive? XP. (KDE and GNOME are slow, admit it)
ho hum, ever occur to you, maybe the reason a lot of your RAM is used up is because linux is putting it to good use? what's the point in having a lot of RAM if you don't use it? It may well be that it does not require all that RAM, just that it will use it if it can get it. Or is that over your head? quote:
Which OS is based on the monolithic UNIX operating system that was originally designed for big, slow mainframes? Mac OS X and Linux.
don't think so, dumbass, UNIX was originally developed for the PDP10, and then ported to the VAX. Plus, there are many distinct advantages of a monolithic kernel over a microkernel, which i will not go into here. Let me just add that BSD may be based on unix but it has no unix code in it. Linux is not based on anything, pillock, which just goes to show how much you know. quote:
Windows can be embedded in PDAs, can Mac OS do that?
i have heard that windows is shit on a PDA. Also, why should macOS fit on a PDA when PalmOS does the job fine? And PalmOS makes the effort to synchronise with other OSs, unlike some OSs I could mention... quote:
This "bloat" you see in XP is functionality.
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Besides, all OS's, Linux and Mac included, have gotten much bigger over the years, with the possible exception of the Amiga OS, which is still very lightweight. (albeit obsolete)
Linux comes with literally hundreds of apps and tools, and it still clocks in smaller than winXP. What does it have, wordpad and solitaire? wow.
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You have been deceived by the Linux zealots if you truly believe that the GIMP can compare to Photoshop, that OpenOffice even comes close to MS Office, that KDE or GNOME can compare to the Windows GUI, or that all the other sleezy open-source imitations written by kids during their spare time can compare to the hundreds of thousands of quality software titles available on Windows XP.
yeah? and you're a cunt.
[ May 28, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
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Thank God there will always be cunts like Windows XPiss user 00000000000 to keep us entertained :D . nice arguments fool. How hard did you try to come up with them?
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Oh shit this is funny. "WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT WORLD PIECE, LINUX RULES!" Is what my friend said to me when he read some of these posts.
Both sides have good arguements. I'm surprised Windows XP user #somebignumber is still at it. You have to give him credit, he's persistant.
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I don't think he believes half of what he's saying. If he does however, then he's either plain stupid or simply mislead.
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Sigh.. Calum dealt with most of your 'valid points' so I'll share my findings of winblows tweaking..
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Furthermore, it is not mandatory to even touch the registry when you use Windows. Windows XP requires almost no tweaking because it works fine to begin with, unlike Linux, where one has to edit 8 config files just to get the fonts to not look like shit.][/QB]
IF you use your winbox for surfing, low-end gaming(solitaire), and other irrelevant tasks like writing some notes etc. Then it's quite possible that you won't have to rip winblows guts out.
but..
..ever heard nvidia detonator 60 Hz problem with win2000 and xp? (of course there's tweaking software available but that's no glory for winblows.)
- Linux doesn't have this problem.. strange isn't it?
..ever heard program registry entries that had to be removed manually because windows couldn't do it? (say you have 40+ installed programs of which 10 or more won't uninstall or unistall have failed.. so do you install your precious backup register and fuck up your system for good?)
- At least in rpm's you can see what's in it and where the packet files were installed (you surely know rpm?).
- by the way fonts in linux are just fine. If you are picky you could tweak one file for it :D (at least I did) Fonts in windows however are very ugly when compared to antialiased linux fonts. (Tweaking winblows fonts... hahahahahhahahhahaha)
etc. ad nauseum
I'll share an example with you guys. In the last automation control software project I accomplished some time ago, I had to overcome enormous problems because of windows 2000 pro.
The whole thing was a pilot-project for a new control architecture and I was convinced by control software vendor (they were convinced by mickeyware) that w2kp should do to trick (I doubt it then but it wasn't my money). The only thing winbox had to do was showing process parametres and collecting data. Yes.. it was a complete fuckup to choose w2kp.. even nt4 would have done better.
In development (developers.. :D ) phase all went on in normal winblows manner.. occational crashing..installing huge amount of patches.. backing shit up etc. But during the testing funny stuff started..you guessed it.. all the hell broke loose when winbox was exposed to production level burden..System was so fucked up and slow that you couldn't do anything with not to mention production supervising.
In order to get system work I had to downgrade sql sampling by factor 6!, set ridicilous amount of ram for m$ sql-server because otherwise that crappy sad-excuse-for-a-data-server would jam the whole system!!
Key findings in this project dealing with mickeyware..(by experience)
1) Sucking memory handling (this fucker couldn't set priorities (threading) between sql-server and control software unless huge amount of ram was dumped into rig (of what winblows doesn't use much) :mad:
2) Shit-o-kernel that allows programs to leak memory up 150-200 megs!!! Yes.. due to lack of resources a crashing module extension leaked memory (and reserved it after dying) 1 meg per second up 200 meg :mad: . I have never seen such behavior on stable linux kernel releases.
3) Hidious fragmentation of files.. i.e Whole collected data is messed up :mad: .. Do you know how much cpu time and cycles are wasted in windows if database is even 200 megs and 100000+ points are collected in every 10 secs if the data is fragmented (even if datatable is cluster indexed)?
All this was sorted out by downgrading demands for system performance (by factor 6) and increasing ram. The control app is fairly lightweight but w2kp and mickeyware sql server eats most of the resources... someone mentioned that winblows isn't bloatware?? :mad:
One thing.. while I have read XPiss user 3986573249867432968743698 posts where he presents 'opinions' like "Xp is so much better and it does this and that much better etc." I've started to think that this 'gates lover' is m$ operative him/herself.
Each and every post sound like those have been ripped from mickeysite. "Total cost of ownership... bla bla" xPimp user a word of wisdom for you. Don't try to feed us with your fuckup lies here. As mr. Calum pointed out. We chose something else than winblows and that is because we all came thru a painful realization that (used windows that is) windows is pure SHIT! No pro-mickey mambojambo shit will do difference here. Play with Xpiss as much you like but hold the line while preaching about the wonders of winblows.
.. And finally if you are microshit operative: FUCK OFF CUNT!! :mad: I hope m$ will be announced illegal due to harmful effect on people.
[ May 30, 2002: Message edited by: SingleMalt ]
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Yikes! This topic has turned into a war zone!
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Macman.. We were just giving some good advice for that poor mislead kid Xpiss user. :D
cheers!
[ May 30, 2002: Message edited by: SingleMalt ]
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speak for yrself! i was trying to piss him off by using FACTS to back up my argument, but i don't think XPuser74589675489657489678495768594764 could really understand such a complicated concept.
Besides, there's no way he'll ever change his opinion, since he would have too much to lose. If he ever admitted that windows was shit and Microsoft were lazy moneygrabbing bastards, he would have NOTHING to live for. I have seen stories like this about ex Microsoft employees...
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Sorry I meant I was.. :D
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Ignoring some of SingleMalt's more offensive language, I'd have to agree with the memory leak problems...
Ever wonder why a good Winders swap file is ~2GB? Now you know.
Ignoring the performance issues (of which there are many) and moving to user interface problems...
I've found that files tend to be more corrupt on a Windows-running system than on others.
There's no kind of standard for application interfaces -- each application looks different (some have that daft windows-within-windows, some have different windows for each process, and some have tabs and pullthumbs... nowhere are we told where this stuff goes). While Linux certainly does have this problem with X Windows apps, the Mac is an elegant and singular user interface -- and it pays off.
Professionals use Macs. Graphics, sound, programming... you name it, they use Macs almost exclusively.
Macs are the #1 computer in Japan, a country which most people regard as the most technologically advanced on Earth.
Something else I hate - if Microsoft were never around, we would have standards in the computer industry and they would all work instead of having Microsoft release their "improved standard" which fails to operate on all platforms. Examples of this are: Java, TrueType, LinoColor, telnet, USB 2.0, FireWire, and TCP/IP (the Windows XP distribution of TCP/IP steals your bandwidth for some unknown use... and doesn't play nice in a multi-OS network).
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they are just locking themselves out though, if all the other major OSs play nice with each other, admins will get the message to stay away from windows quite quickly, and it should have a trickle down or trickle up effect from there.
re: SingleMalt's offensive language, he was no more offensive than me, and he was only getting into the spirit of things, and anyway, this isfuckmicrosoft.com, so language liberally used should be tolerated (http://smile.gif) .
Macs are no 1 in Japan? that's good news! do you mean that more people actually run MacOS than do windows there?
also, does anybody have any other figures like this (eg what are the figures for unix/macOS/windows in China? and so on)
Also, re your interface problem (menus all over the place and so on), i agree with you in everything because windows is trying to be an intuitive multimedia platform, like MacOS but is failing partially for that reason. On the other hand, i don't think you can really call it a problem that linux has no cohesive structure about this scenario.
Linux doesn't seem (sadly) to have this unified interface issue high on its agenda, so this issue is not so critical for its users. The users of XP are probably more affected by having no common interface characteristics than the users of Linux.
Finally, programmers can get around these constraints on the mac, given even an inch of rope, example, here on my mac, mozilla has "tabs" (the windows within windows, but without the ability to resize them) and opera starts up each new instance in a totally separate window as per usual. I actually prefer the mozilla way, but must i put up with multiple windows in Opera (which i prefer in most other ways to mozilla) just so it can maintain the cohesive look and feel of MacOS? If i were using windows (and i'm not defending the "OS" here!), Opera would also have this "windows within windows " structure (although i think you can change it to multiple instances in the newest version).
Customisability, you see, and that's why linux will always have this "problem" :D just my thoughts.....
[ May 30, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
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Originally posted by Windows XP User #5225982375:
3/4's of the film industry uses a Mac? Back up your claims with evidence!
Psyjax is right. 75 percent or more of the film and video industry uses Macs to handle their work. I've worked in film for 15 years and I can tell you from firsthand experience that Macs are almost exclusively used by film production people as well. A pretty good indicator of how heavily they are used is how often they appear in Feature Films and Prime Time TV Shows (mostly in the form of iBooks or Powerbooks). See, it's easier to place the Producer's Powerbook or the Director of Photography's iBook in a scene, shoot it and contact Apple later for the product placement legal release. Even the boys in Cupertino know free advertising when it comes knocking on their door. As for the Post Production and GFX industries I would say Apple dominates there as well. At my shop we use Dual 1Ghz G4's loaded with Ice Cards to crunch broadcast quality GFX. We could use comparable AMD or Intel equipped kit boxes which would be much cheaper but they don't measure up. We don't use benchmarks to test performance, we abuse them with everything we have, and in my experience the difference between a Dual G4 packed with RAM and a similarly equipped Windows box is pretty noticeable. We also use SGI Octanes to run Flame, but that would be an apples to oranges comparison.