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Operating Systems => macOS => Topic started by: billy_gates on 19 April 2003, 05:17
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Anyone got a NeXT computer they want to sell. I have never owned one, so documentation and manuals would be nice. Also I have never used the OS before, that means like 10 reformats before I get it just right so the discs or copies of them would be required. Just wondering, I doubt anyone does.
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I guess no one does.
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I seriously doubt that any member of the MES forums, actually owns a NeXTSTEP computer. I'd also love to get my hands on one of those babies. Actually, Tim Berners Lee, wrote the first ever web browser on a NeXTSTEP cube model, which must make it one of the most wanted machines out there. Keep us informed if you find one. ;)
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will do
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Weren't NEXT boxes, just regular x86 PC's, in a nice case?
Maybe all you need is a copy of NEXTStep and a PC with compatible hardware.
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That was Openstep that ran on x86. Nextstep ran on '040 hardware like the earlier 68k Macs.
Head on over to blackholeinc.com to pick up a NextStep box along with software. Beware: It's expensive
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I wouldn't say *nobody* has a NeXT machine. I do. (http://smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Ravuya:
That was Openstep that ran on x86. Nextstep ran on '040 hardware like the earlier 68k Macs.
Head on over to blackholeinc.com to pick up a NextStep box along with software. Beware: It's expensive
$300 isn't that bad for a rare computer...it's way better than the thousands of dollars that the Twentieth Anniversary Mac goes for...
Damn lucky webmaster (http://smile.gif)
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Whats so special about NeXTStep, and why is it in tha OS X section?
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its quite obvoiusly why this NeXT question was in the apple section, OSX is based off of NeXTSTEP
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I think it was only the cubes that were $300, because the stations/slabs are a fair price. Really, it's the same machine, just in a more LC-like case.
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Originally posted by Webmaster:
I wouldn't say *nobody* has a NeXT machine. I do. (http://smile.gif)
OOOOh, so lucky, is it a cube or one of the other systems. Is it fast, or does NeXTSTEP run slow on them like X does on my 733 G4? I was kind of worried. X runs slow on a 733, how fast could a 25mhz comp be? can quartz really slow it down that much?
Do you know any good information site on next systems?
I checked out black hole, I think i'm gonna get a hard drive and cd's from them and try to get the box off of ebay, I saw one that wasn't too expensive that I may go for.
[ April 21, 2003: Message edited by: Billy Gates: Mac Comrade Captain ]
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Originally posted by Billy Gates: Mac Comrade Captain:
OOOOh, so lucky, is it a cube or one of the other systems. Is it fast, or does NeXTSTEP run slow on them like X does on my 733 G4? I was kind of worried. X runs slow on a 733, how fast could a 25mhz comp be? can quartz really slow it down that much?
I have a Turbo Color slab, not a Cube. Wanted a Cube, but they're ridiculously overpriced on eBay. OPENSTEP is kind of slow on it, but it's not like I use the machine every day.
The last released version of OmniWeb for this machine -- 3.1 or so -- takes literally three minutes or so just to start. Browsing the web is downright painful.
I could probably boost the RAM or something and get better performance.
But . . . it's great to have just for the l33t points one carries just for owning one of these machines. (http://smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Billy Gates: Mac Comrade Captain:
OOOOh, so lucky, is it a cube or one of the other systems. Is it fast, or does NeXTSTEP run slow on them like X does on my 733 G4? I was kind of worried. X runs slow on a 733, how fast could a 25mhz comp be? can quartz really slow it down that much?
Do you know any good information site on next systems?
I checked out black hole, I think i'm gonna get a hard drive and cd's from them and try to get the box off of ebay, I saw one that wasn't too expensive that I may go for.
[ April 21, 2003: Message edited by: Billy Gates: Mac Comrade Captain ]
Dood...WTF? OS X is slow on your 733 G4? How much RAM? Something's not right.
OS X 10.2.5 is silky smooth on my 700 Mhz G3 (Radeon Mobility 7500 QE capable).
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Originally posted by The Muffin Man:
Dood...WTF? OS X is slow on your 733 G4? How much RAM? Something's not right.
OS X 10.2.5 is silky smooth on my 700 Mhz G3 (Radeon Mobility 7500 QE capable).
well I wouldn't say its unbearable, but my 1.7 Athlon is way faster in Windows and Linux, although, those aren't really comparable systems. I got 640 RAM. Its way faster than my 600 iBook but I wish it was faster. Takes like 20 seconds just to open Photoshop, and takes a couple bounces to open any browser. The worst program is iPhoto. Damn that thing is slow. I also run it at 1600x1200 which is really hard, big windows minimize sort of choppy. At 1280x1024 everything is smooth, but still same operating speed. I like the realestate. Hell, my dock doesn't even fit on a 1280x1024 screen without being made smaller.
So really, the NeXT systems are dead slow. I actually wanted to ask what the difference between openstep and nextstep are. At blackhole inc they give you the choice on everything between openstep and nextstep. do you happen to know the difference?
[ April 21, 2003: Message edited by: Billy Gates: Mac Comrade Captain ]
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Originally posted by Billy Gates: Mac Comrade Captain:
well I wouldn't say its unbearable, but my 1.7 Athlon is way faster in Windows and Linux, although, those aren't really comparable systems. I got 640 RAM. Its way faster than my 600 iBook but I wish it was faster. Takes like 20 seconds just to open Photoshop, and takes a couple bounces to open any browser. The worst program is iPhoto. Damn that thing is slow. I also run it at 1600x1200 which is really hard, big windows minimize sort of choppy. At 1280x1024 everything is smooth, but still same operating speed. I like the realestate. Hell, my dock doesn't even fit on a 1280x1024 screen without being made smaller.
So really, the NeXT systems are dead slow. I actually wanted to ask what the difference between openstep and nextstep are. At blackhole inc they give you the choice on everything between openstep and nextstep. do you happen to know the difference?
[ April 21, 2003: Message edited by: Billy Gates: Mac Comrade Captain ]
We obviously have a different view of "fast"
More on Openstep vs. Nextstep:
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You may be able to purchase a copy through used computer resellers (or via the comp.sys.next newsgroups). The consensus seems to be that NextStep 3.3 is a good choice for black hardware and that OpenStep 4.2 is a better choice for later architectures (Intel, Sparc), but OpenStep runs on black hardware also. (I ran 3.3 on Nextstations and 4.2 on a Sparc 5.) (But now I run 10.1 on a 500mHz/G3 PM8600!)
and here:
http://www.non.com/news.answers/NeXT-FAQ.html (http://www.non.com/news.answers/NeXT-FAQ.html)
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Originally posted by chaosforages:
its quite obvoiusly why this NeXT question was in the apple section, OSX is based off of NeXTSTEP
OS X is based off of the "Mach" kernel, which was part of NeXTStep, and later OpenStep.
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Originally posted by Webmaster:
I wouldn't say *nobody* has a NeXT machine. I do. (http://smile.gif)
Lucky bastard. :D
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Originally posted by The Muffin Man:
OS X is based off of the "Mach" kernel, which was part of NeXTStep, and later OpenStep.
It goes far deeper than that. If you do some research on NeXTSTEP and OSX (or you can just own OSX) you will see that you program the same "exact" way in both of them. Interface Builder and Project Builder are the same in NeXT as they are in X. It also has some UI features which OSX doesn't even have because "it would be too different from OS9" so I wanted to check it out, and I wanted the full NeXT experience. Then I decided I should go all the way and go for a Cube. I will probably wait a couple of years until I have excess money just layin around.
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OSX is not slow, but it is deffinetly not as "snappie" interface wise as other OSs. I wish I could turn off the eye-candy.
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if NeXT* doesn't run on a macintosh, i move that somebody drop this thread into the 'Other OSs' section please.
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Originally posted by Billy Gates: Mac Comrade Captain:
but my 1.7 Athlon is way faster in Windows and Linux
Blashemy!
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Originally posted by psyjax: plain 'ol psyjax:
I wish I could turn off the eye-candy.
Just boot to OS 9 (All OS 9 is, is OS X w/o the shiny stuff. If you have carbonlib.)
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Originally posted by The Muffin Man:
Just boot to OS 9 (All OS 9 is, is OS X w/o the shiny stuff. If you have carbonlib.)
Nothing could be farther from the truth. OSX never crashes for one thing, it multitasks amazingly, and it's guts are made of UNIX.
All carbon lib. does is give you access to Navigation Servecis which in tern is a bridge to carbonizing apps for OSX.
Now, if OSX had the option of putting the classic interface back on, Id do it in a heart beat. I mean, for speed purposes is all.
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Originally posted by psyjax: plain 'ol psyjax:
Nothing could be farther from the truth. OSX never crashes for one thing, it multitasks amazingly, and it's guts are made of UNIX.
All carbon lib. does is give you access to Navigation Servecis which in tern is a bridge to carbonizing apps for OSX.
Now, if OSX had the option of putting the classic interface back on, Id do it in a heart beat. I mean, for speed purposes is all.
I wouldn't, OSX is pretty. It also probably wouldn't speed it up that much. It would still have to use Quartz because all of the apps use that so you can see them. So essentially it would just be changing pretty pictures with ugly ones which would offer probably little to no speed change.
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if NeXT* doesn't run on a macintosh, i move that somebody drop this thread into the 'Other OSs' section please.
I say because Apple owns NeXT that it should stay in the Mac section.
[ April 22, 2003: Message edited by: Billy Gates: Mac Comrade Captain ]
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I don't know but I like OS 9. OS X is definitely more stable and beautiful but OS 9 has something else. Anyway, i like both. :D
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Originally posted by chaosforages:
its quite obvoiusly why this NeXT question was in the apple section, OSX is based off of NeXTSTEP
So VMS should be in the Windows section?