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Operating Systems => macOS => Topic started by: Master of Reality on 29 May 2002, 00:40
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hey.. I might be getting a (used) Mac Laptop!!!!
I will have to buy OSX for it though as it comes with whatever version was out in '96.. i think.
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Good luck getting OS X to run on a laptop made in 1996... It isn't exactly a lightweight OS.
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yeah right, he said OSX, not XP, can't you read?
still, i suppose you could carp on about how his new laptop will never be good enough to run windows...
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Originally posted by Windows XP User #5225982375:
Good luck getting OS X to run on a laptop made in 1996... It isn't exactly a lightweight OS.
If it is a G3, OS X will work fine. Even if it isn't, OS 9 is great. So go shove a pickle in your bum XPee.
[ May 28, 2002: Message edited by: psyjax ]
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i have no clue what is in this things, it might not be as old as '96, I cant remember.... it might have been 98 or maybe even '99.
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You're wasting your money. I suggest getting a great used PC laptop with Windows XP on it, or if it isn't preloaded you can purchase a copy from Microsoft. I buy all of my Microsoft software because they make such great products and I want to support them.
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Excuse me while I puke.. Windows XP ass here is making me sick
Anyhow, if you're getting a G3, OSX should run fine on it. As long as you have 64 megs of ram you'll be fine.
I have done some tests of my own. A G3 at 450mhz running OSX runs faster and more reliebly than a P4 at 1.5ghz running XP. Why the hell do you think that 75% of all computers in digital effects fields(Industial Light and Magic is a notable name here) are Apple G3 or G4's?
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Why the hell do you think that 75% of all computers in digital effects fields(Industial Light and Magic is a notable name here) are Apple G3 or G4's?
Because they have yet to utilize the far superior powers of the dual Athlon MP configuration? Also, a fast CPU alone (not that the Pentium 4 falls in that category) isn't going to ensure good visual preformance in Windows XP, a decent video card is what really makes the experience smooth (by decent I mean a GeForce2 GTS or up).
As for OS X requirements myths floating around here, below are the official requirements directly from Apple's site.
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System Requirements:
- iMac, iBook, Power Macintosh G3, Power Mac G4, Power Mac G4 Cube, PowerBook G3 or PowerBook G4 computer*
- 128MB of physical RAM
- 1.5GB of disk space available
*Mac OS X does not support the original PowerBook G3 or upgraded PowerPC processors.
[ May 28, 2002: Message edited by: Vincent ]
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I've done it on 64MB of RAM. It works. At least I think it's 64MB. Don't know which edition of powerbook your running.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/upgrade/requirements.html (http://www.apple.com/macosx/upgrade/requirements.html)
here is a visual aid :D
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ResExcellence.com has articles on getting OS X to run on upgrade cards and a bunch of other hacks you can perform. You would be surprised what you can "trick" OS X into doing, part of the beuty of having an open source under system is that you can scale it to your needs.
If all else fails you can run Darwin, or just good ol' OS 9.
[ May 29, 2002: Message edited by: psyjax ]
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Originally posted by psyjax:
ResExcellence.com has articles on getting OS X to run on upgrade cards and a bunch of other hacks you can perform. You would be surprised what you can "trick" OS X into doing, part of the beuty of having an open source under system is that you can scale it to your needs.
If all else fails you can run Darwin, or just good ol' OS 9.
Yeah I know someone who has got it working very well on a Imac with a G4 upgrade card. It works amazingly fast. I simply blew me away. The DarwinBSD core is a very usefull thing to have access to.
The simple fact is Macs and MacOS are much better for digital graphics fields. I previously mentioned ILM; well they experimented with Intel and AMD chips running Windows and Linux, and kept coming up with the same results, Macs were much better for there needs.
And for home users, nothing is easier to use than MacOS(well maybe BeOS, but that's about dead). And plenty of aps and games are available for it. The first computer I ever used was a Mac LCIII(I think) and it ran MacOS 7.1. To this day I still prefer MacOS. I even try to imitate some of it's functinality in Windows and Linux. And I am getting a G3 powerbook with OSX in a couple of weeks, hopefully.
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OSX should work fine, and if you have any memory problems or anything, all those little fancy-shamncy animations and stuff can be turned off. You see, Expee, over there at Apple they actually take the time to make product A work with product B.
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Originally posted by Windows XP User #5225982375:
You're wasting your money. I suggest getting a great used PC laptop with Windows XP on it, or if it isn't preloaded you can purchase a copy from Microsoft. I buy all of my Microsoft software because they make such great products and I want to support them.
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Open source now?
Open source NEVER! Go Microsoft!
This is it! this is the post that went too far! this dumbass has finally shown his hand! he can not possibly be a normal unbiased computer user and say this. There is noone in the world who would say this except an employee of Microsoft!!! Yes, i am onto you, windows XP marketer, you are simply trying to cause bad feeling in the ranks, well your comments will not win any converts here, so kindly move on. I suggest you visit the windowsbbs.com perhaps. Goodbye.
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You're wasting your money. I suggest getting a great used PC laptop with Windows XP on it, or if it isn't preloaded you can purchase a copy from Microsoft. I buy all of my Microsoft software because they make such great products and I want to support them.
Yes it's official now.. you are certainly the most dumbestFUCKER (http://www.saunalahti.fi/~jylppy69/goator.swf) ever walk on the face of the earth!!! :D Even a moron with limited IQ wouldn't write unbelievable shit like you did.. zeezuz!!
Now piss off little annoyance...
[ May 29, 2002: Message edited by: SingleMalt ]
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Since you're probably quite bright, you can use UnsupportedUtilityX (or whatever the hell it's called now) to install Mac OS X in your box and run command-line only... you can cut out the GUI entirely by typing '>console' in the login prompt.
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all i really am gonna use this laptop for is just a database or something to contain info from sporting events. I think it is before a G3 though.
[ May 29, 2002: Message edited by: Master of Reality ]
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Mac computers need a mac printer, dont they??
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nope, we have an exclusively mac setup at work, and we have one apple printer, one HP printer and one Epson printer, as far as i know, and they all work fine.
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did older macs need a mac printer???
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Originally posted by Master of Reality:
did older macs need a mac printer???
Really old ones like LCIII's, then yes.
An Epson printer should be fine with the laptop you're thinking of buying.
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the way i understand it is:
Macs use a different type of conenction for their printers and only some printers will work with them. They dont use parallel connections like PCs. I think my laser printer will work with them, but my inkjet printer wont.. if this is right?
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Originally posted by Master of Reality:
the way i understand it is:
Macs use a different type of conenction for their printers and only some printers will work with them. They dont use parallel connections like PCs. I think my laser printer will work with them, but my inkjet printer wont.. if this is right?
Most macs have USB ports, thusly USB printers are generally used. As for whether or not older macs have a parallel pots or not, I have no idea.
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so do mac laptops usually have parallel connections for a printer? I was under the impression that they used some special "mac" connector.
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by flaming sack of shit:
Rather sick.
I love your donkey rapings though Singlemalt check out the heinous love link in my signiture it will fit your foul needs.
confused
Come on man.. I know you liked it didn't you.. yes that's what I thought.. you can borrow my little donkey that you can once in a life time get something for real instead showing of your arse in public. (i.e the link you provided.) show a little smile on your troubled face..yes that's much better.. no one here doesn't care about your secret fantasies.. if you like some fisting and stuff it's alright..
What does it tell about you my friend if my little mule here upsets you while you have a link equally stupid in your signature?
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This is it! this is the post that went too far! this dumbass has finally shown his hand! he can not possibly be a normal unbiased computer user and say this. There is noone in the world who would say this except an employee of Microsoft!!! Yes, i am onto you, windows XP marketer, you are simply trying to cause bad feeling in the ranks, well your comments will not win any converts here, so kindly move on. I suggest you visit the windowsbbs.com perhaps. Goodbye.
Your comments will not only win any converts, but it just goes to prove the sleeziness that M$ has resorted to. Go away you sploser! You're wasting your time!
Either this guy really is being paid by M$, or he's been brainwashed. I sure hope it's the first one, because I don't want to believe that M$ can have that kind of power over someone. Good call, Calum.
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Originally posted by Master of Reality:
the way i understand it is:
Macs use a different type of conenction for their printers and only some printers will work with them. They dont use parallel connections like PCs. I think my laser printer will work with them, but my inkjet printer wont.. if this is right?
You can obtain a device called PowerPrint which allows you to use parallel devices to print. And our serial port (Mini-Din-8) is not a Mac-only thing, in fact the MiniDin8 format is the industry standard for smaller devices that require serial interfaces (Newton, MagicCap, ec)
Two-way parallel (PC's only had 1-way parallel until a while back) is not.
But, yeah, there are more devices made for the inferior technology because more people have adopted it... the sad lament of the mac owner
[ May 31, 2002: Message edited by: Ravuya ]
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But, yeah, there are more devices made for the inferior technology because more people have adopted it... the sad lament of the mac owner
Tell me, in what way is PC hardware "inferior technology?" Apart from the motherboard I can build a PC that is an exact clone of a PowerMac. And, I don't think people like Intel and AMD make bad processors.
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Originally posted by Windows XP User #5225982375:
Tell me, in what way is PC hardware "inferior technology?" Apart from the motherboard I can build a PC that is an exact clone of a PowerMac. And, I don't think people like Intel and AMD make bad processors.
true, inferior technology is a bad choice of words there, but what he means is that macs are allexpensive, and either fairly well built or extremely well built.
While many people (now more than ever) buy or build extremely good kit type PCs, the fact remains that in the past and still to this day, a lot of parts were/are cheap and in many ways shoddy. If there is a way to skimp on costs on a piece of hardware, you can bet that somebody has done it and sold as many as possible quick, and you can also bet that a lot of people snapped up the cheap products as fast as possible, especially compared to the slow and steady sales of macintosh computers.
In fact this coupled with Microsoft's agressive and illegal marketing tactics is the reason why windows is far and away the most used OS on the planet today.
Anyway, this discussion is about inferior connections for printers, not building your own machine. Can't you read?
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On my long venture away from home, i came across my new mac laptop. I have brought it back with me on the long journey and now it is in my possesion. It is a Powerbook 180. With no battery.
[ July 10, 2002: Message edited by: Master of Reality / Bob ]
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its got OS 7.1 on it. How can i take a screenshot of it?
[ July 11, 2002: Message edited by: Master of Reality / Bob ]
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SHIFT + CAPS LOCK + COMMAND (the apple key) + 3 or 4, then look for the image file either on your desktop or in the "Macintosh HD" folder. Open it and do whatever you like with it. ;)
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No, it's Shift+Command+3.
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And Shift+Command+4 if you want to specify a specific area rather than a full screen. It still pisses me off to no end that I need to paste screen caps into an image application before I can save it as a file on my Windoze box. What kind of fucked up shit is that?
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how do i make it into a picture format that my browser can read. right now it is named picture.1
I have some graphic converter on my mac but it need 200k more memory to run.
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what's the actual file format? macs do not use file extensions (which makes it a bugger to figure out what kind of file something is from just the filename). Try opening it using some programs. Use your browsers, and use quicktime, and if you have clarisworks, use that too, because with clarisworks, you can 'file>save as' and get it saved as a jpeg, bmp or gif.
If you have MS word, you can insert the picture, and save as html, and your image will get saved seperately as a jpeg image, but you cannot control the picture quality of the jpeg in this way. And it requires Microsoft software, so i don't recommend it :D
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it only lets me save it as either PICT or ClarisWorks.... (remember i am using OS 7.1 with equally old software)
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The PICT format was a proprietary thing for Mac only. Nowadays, OS X takes snaps as TIFFs, but can also do JPG, BMP, GIF, what have you.
Back to the original question, I THINK an old program called JPEGview allowed you to open PICTs and save then as JPG's. I can't remember for sure if it could do that, but it was definitely System 7.1 friendly.
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i downloaded JPEGview from some site after searching on www.google.ca/mac (http://www.google.ca/mac)
It would open or anything on the mac though. Is there some special trick i have to do?
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Is it a BIN or HQX file?
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As RRS said, if it
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its HQX and i do have stuffit
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I used stuffit expander to expand it, isnt it supposed to make an expanded file or something? It didnt make any other file.
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I tried to shut down my laptop and it asks me to put in a disk that i had recently in, i put in the floppy and it says that that isnt the floppy and asks again. It wont let me do anything. what do i do???!
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Is it not booting at all?
If its not booting do you have an OS install disc?
If you have the install disc hold down the "C" key while your computer starts and it will boot from that disc. Use the disc utilities to try and fix the problem.
This works for most recent Macs I don't know about the older ones.
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it was already on and wouldnt shut down... but i just pulled the plug that seemed to work well.
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If you want to eject a disk, do File -> Put Away or put it in the trash/wastebasket.
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ahem...
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Originally posted by Master of Reality / Bob:
I used stuffit expander to expand it, isnt it supposed to make an expanded file or something? It didnt make any other file.What do i do now?
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I'm gonna need more info than that.
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it says that it is a PC document. I downloaded it using Linux and put it on to a disk because my Mac cannot connect to the internet. Do i have to convert it somehow or something to something??
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You decode it using StuffIt Expander on the Mac. If StuffIt Expander isn't on the Mac, we'll need to do this another way.
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i dragged the ico over stuffit expander and it asks me where i want it sent to, i send it to a directory and then it seems to be decoding but nothing appears in the folder afterwards.
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Bob, are you using DOS format disks to get the data from your internet machine to your mac?
Also, if you really do need stuffit, but absolutely cannot find a way to install it on your mac, there is a little known windows version of stuffit expander that works great, you will probably be able to use it in wine or wine, it's not a complicated program from what i can see. Sorry, i have not got much meaningful input here...
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yes they are DOS.. read me previous post.
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If the Mac has an obsession with a floppy that contains no open files or windows, hit Apple Key + Period (this trick is sometimes called Cancel Fast). It works 99% of the time, the other 1%, I hit Apple Key + Power (I don't know if this works on pb's) and type G FINDER in the debugger box and hit return. This is kinda like hitting Ctrl-Alt-Del on a PC.