Stop Microsoft
Operating Systems => macOS => Topic started by: cahult on 25 January 2003, 11:31
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http://www.lowendmac.com/musings/03/0124.html (http://www.lowendmac.com/musings/03/0124.html)
Do you agree? I do.
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All this nonsense over a fucking number.
I have a dual 800 G4, an Athalon XP 2100. First, the dual G4 is clearly a better machine.
Curently I am running a single processor 400Mhz G4 laptop. This laptop is better than the XP 2100.
Mhz, is BS. I used to be concerned with this nonsense till I baught a PC, partialy convinced that the speed diffrence must be mindboggling. Needless to say I wasn't impressed.
Mac's are better, they are also Elitist. It's not Moto, IBM, or Apple. They are doing what they need to do, and instead of cramming up an overheating CPU into a box of old parts Apple invests it's R&D into developing compleat new packages that are well designed and integrated.
Mac's rule. People just don't get it.
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I think Motorola is just holding Apple back. It's not clock speed, though. Motorola can't make new, kickass chips as fast as they should. IBM can.
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Curently I am running a single processor 400Mhz G4 laptop. This laptop is better than the XP 2100.
If you're talking about speed, then no, the G4 is not better. If you could put OS X on the Athlon it would seem much more responsive i'm sure, provided the athlon has a decent video card.
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The speed/efficiency of a CPU cannot be determined by Mhz/Ghz alone. There are many factors. I don't know enough about this kind of thing to elaborate, though.
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MHz is BS of course, but I don
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An interesting link here with regards to processors and the mhz war.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,806465,00.asp (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,806465,00.asp)
Deals with the new IBM 970 and discusses road maps for different processors.
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Originally posted by Crunchy(Cracked)Butter:
An interesting link here with regards to processors and the mhz war.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,806465,00.asp (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,806465,00.asp)
Deals with the new IBM 970 and discusses road maps for different processors.
The thing which struck me when reading this article is not the article itself but all the ads around it. It was near impossible to find the article! Why do they insist on putting these spam ads everywhere on the page when nobody clicks on them?
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Yeah it is a bummer, like only 1 paragrpah on one page for example but the article is worth it i think.
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I think we all are forgetting two things. I read about this stuff in a copy of a Macaddict. First is the fact that a shorter pipeline is better if the computer has made a mistake. This is because the computer has less stages to rebuild. Second is what was described by one of my friends. The cashe, holds commonly used functions. And the apples have L1s, L2s and L3s. Which also gives up a speed up on the windows chips.
http://www.apple.com/g4/myth/ (http://www.apple.com/g4/myth/)
Take a peek at this.
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Originally posted by Linux User #5225982375:
If you're talking about speed, then no, the G4 is not better. If you could put OS X on the Athlon it would seem much more responsive i'm sure, provided the athlon has a decent video card.
I agree with this guy, I personally hope Apple lets PPC die, and puts macs on x86.
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Originally posted by psyjax: plain 'ol psyjax:
All this nonsense over a fucking number.
I have a dual 800 G4, an Athlon XP 2100. First, the dual G4 is clearly a better machine.
Curently I am running a single processor 400Mhz G4 laptop. This laptop is better than the XP 2100.
Mhz, is BS. I used to be concerned with this nonsense till I baught a PC, partialy convinced that the speed diffrence must be mindboggling. Needless to say I wasn't impressed.
Mac's are better, they are also Elitist. It's not Moto, IBM, or Apple. They are doing what they need to do, and instead of cramming up an overheating CPU into a box of old parts Apple invests it's R&D into developing compleat new packages that are well designed and integrated.
Mac's rule. People just don't get it.
He's almost right, along with bossesjoe. The Dual 800 kicks the crap out of an Athlon (1700+). The 400...I'm not so sure. The test: 1.55 Quadrillion intersect attempts in Bryce 5. A lot of times the rays may get "broken" somehow...the Athlon has to rebuild a deep pipeline, but the G4 has to rebuild a very shallow piplline. The P4 has it the worst. It needs to rebuild a 20 stage pipeline...
The Athlon took 47 minutes, 50 seconds in case you were curious.
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1. They only give the results of *gasp* photoshop tests. How surprising.
2. The whole mhz is only a contributing factor is obvious. My cat knows that. Your PC is only as strong as it's weakest link. However, more mhz does mean better performance, which can't always be properly compared across differant platforms or architectures. A Pentium 2.4ghz obviously performs slower then a 3ghz, yet comparable to a Athlon XP 2400, with an actual clock speed of 2ghz. I thnk he meant to say(or should have said) something about mhz comparisons across different platforms. "MHZ doesn't equal performance" is an oversimplified and incorrect phrase
3. Athlon XPs have deep pipeline of 10 and G4s a shallow 7...
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I have a dual 800 G4, an Athalon XP 2100. First, the dual G4 is clearly a better machine.
Out of curiousity, what OS are you running on the Athlon?
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i do think they should use the ppc 970. scrapping ppc for x86 would be a mistake, apple would get no revenue from QUALITY hardware and macosx would get a bad name for not running on shitty ass x86 hardware and failing alot. read the "electro-shitic" post for some reasons why.
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x86 appears to crash more because
1. windows 9x kernel is as unstable as the average American marriage.
2. amazing variety of hardware, half of it shoddy and prone to failure.
My computer is x86 based and never crashes or gives me hardware trouble. But that's because I built it myself (http://tongue.gif)
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The Athalon is on dual boot with Win98, and RedHat 8.
Now, as far as my claims that the G4 400 was faster, I was not talking horsepower, I was talking eficiency. I get more done on the 400mhz running OSX than I ever could on either RedHat or Win98.
That's just a fact of life.
Now, as far as horsepower, the dual 800 I own, walks all over the Athalon. It's a steady ride on the dual8, speed is consistent. I notice that on the Athalon it's like a start and stop experience, some things are speedy, other things are butt.
In the end the G4 ownz, for what I do, 400Mhz does me good. My dual 8, does me great, my Athalon plays games and runs linux.
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Originally posted by Billy Gates: Mac Comrade Captain:
I agree with this guy, I personally hope Apple lets PPC die, and puts macs on x86.
People say im insane. x86 is crap compared to G4 or even G3. They are RISC arcitectures and have much more bogomips to the mhz then x86 chips.
"cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep bogomips" on linux will tell you.
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Originally posted by Linux User #5225982375:
x86 appears to crash more because
1. windows 9x kernel is as unstable as the average American marriage.
2. amazing variety of hardware, half of it shoddy and prone to failure.
My computer is x86 based and never crashes or gives me hardware trouble. But that's because I built it myself (http://tongue.gif)
my system is so dodgy (note: Bill Gates told IBM to use the intel 86 cpu, its all his fault!!!) that im going to plant a nuculear warhead in the intel r+d buildings and blow them off the face of the earth to insure they hurt nobody else with there poorly built hardware.
Then I will start my own company, blow up AMD, Motorola, IBM, Sun, Compaq. Then with a monopoly on the market, I will sell 8mhz Intel 80's for $500 each.
muw hahahahahahahahahahahahhaa
Well not really, but my computer is crap, my hard disk, switched to slave well my system was loading off it, for some reason. Now its stuck in slave but I can live with it (a bit). But I lost all my Linux partitions when it happened, the only one that survived was my FAT partition i use for putting my downloads and whatnot on.
Because 1 dodgy company makes cheap parts everyone buys, 1 good company should not need to make there parts crap to compete with the price. If apple do this, im going to kill them. Or mabye i should make the "Free Hardware Foundation" (http://smile.gif)
Eh, I dont know.
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Originally posted by psyjax: plain 'ol psyjax:
The Athalon is on dual boot with Win98, and RedHat 8.
Now, as far as my claims that the G4 400 was faster, I was not talking horsepower, I was talking eficiency. I get more done on the 400mhz running OSX than I ever could on either RedHat or Win98.
That's just a fact of life.
Now, as far as horsepower, the dual 800 I own, walks all over the Athalon. It's a steady ride on the dual8, speed is consistent. I notice that on the Athalon it's like a start and stop experience, some things are speedy, other things are butt.
In the end the G4 ownz, for what I do, 400Mhz does me good. My dual 8, does me great, my Athalon plays games and runs linux.
Try Gentoo or do an LFS. That will get more done then anything. And get rid of Win98 you dirty barsted.
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While we are on the topic of duel operating systems is it ok to have 2 mac os system folders on one hardrive and another 2 on a external? (10.2 and 9.2) and (10.0 and 9.2). I have had many people at NIH servers tell me this is a bad idea.
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Originally posted by bossesjoe:
While we are on the topic of duel operating systems is it ok to have 2 mac os system folders on one hardrive and another 2 on a external? (10.2 and 9.2) and (10.0 and 9.2). I have had many people at NIH servers tell me this is a bad idea.
Not nexissarly a bad idea, just kinda useless.
First off, I would keep your OS9 System well clear of your OS10 system by either installing it on a separet partition or a separete HardDrive.
The seperet hardrive is the best choice. Once you got this done you should create a designated swap partition for OSX it helps things run smoother.
Finally, why the hell do you keep a copy of the old OSX and a copy of Jaguyre? Why not just upgrade the old copy, or better yet, dump it all together.
I also wouldent use an external HD as a boot device, they are better for storage due to thrughput and FirmWare compatability issues.
That's my take.
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Thanks i am going to do that, I installed that extra 10 during a time of trouble when i was into usering sudo (superuser) on the terminal and messed up jag. I got kinda paranoid and installed an extra os.