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Operating Systems => macOS => Topic started by: worker201 on 18 July 2003, 23:09

Title: is Mac really an answer?
Post by: worker201 on 18 July 2003, 23:09
Can you folks help me out?  I am thinking about buying myself a Powerbook with OSX, but I want to be sure that it is safe.

I noticed that IE is included: can that be completely removed?  I don't want any trace of IE permanently attached to my OS.

I know Apple is not totally open source, but does it log crazy shit and not tell me about it?  Does Apple send my information to itself or other's without my permission?  Does it have intentional security holes that will never be addressed as bugs?

What I need to know here: is the Mac (OS 9 or X or whatever) a legitimate alternative to Microsoft, and can a Mac be run with no Microsoft software of any kind?

Thanks in advance for any assistance y'all can provide.
Title: is Mac really an answer?
Post by: TheQuirk on 18 July 2003, 23:27
You can remove IE completely. BTW, the newest release of OS X doesn't even include IE (I think), and MS stopped developing IE for the Mac, so don't worry. Safari is a great browser.

And yes, you can easily use your Mac without any Microsoft software.

  (http://smile.gif)
Title: is Mac really an answer?
Post by: Laukev7 on 18 July 2003, 23:35
Mac OS X is safe to use. It's entirely safe to remove IE; all you have to do is slide the folder in the Trash. No more MessIE.   (http://smile.gif)  

The kernel is audited by the community, and therefore is just as safe as other open source OSes. And Apple has a good reputation of fixing bugs as soon as possible. There has been no case of Apple sending private information, and the possibility that they may do so is highly unprobable. Again, their reputation of respecting privacy is spotless.

From using Macs at school, and comparing it to Windows, I can sincerely say it is a very legitimate alternative, and much easier and more stable. In my case, I always found what I needed in Mac OS X without resorting to MS software. You can even use many open source software like OpenOffice and Mozilla.

I strongly recommend you to buy your Powerbook, if that's what you want. I myself intend to switch eventually.
Title: is Mac really an answer?
Post by: M51DPS on 18 July 2003, 23:52
Actually, it's on the new G5s where IE is no longer present. Be sure to remove the IE cache too when uninstalling.
Title: is Mac really an answer?
Post by: worker201 on 18 July 2003, 23:54
I fully intend to use Mozilla on any new machine i get my hands on - it is just plain superior.  Although I will at least give Safari a try...

You would think that Apple would have tons of official propaganda about their OSes re "Treacherous Computing", but that doesnt seem to be the case.  Maybe they ought to have some guerilla marketing geared towards those of us who are sick and tired of supporting companies that dont give a fuck about their users.  Instead, they brag about how cool OfficeX is.  Strange.

By the way, the iBook seems like a much better buy than the Powerbook, as far as brandnew machines go.  inch for inch, what you're really paying for is the titanium case.
Title: is Mac really an answer?
Post by: jasonlane on 19 July 2003, 00:30
There's no comparison between XP and OSX, OS X leaves XP in the dust. Moz is a great browser, possibly better than Safari but Safari is by far the better end experience in my opinion.
Title: is Mac really an answer?
Post by: billy_gates on 19 July 2003, 05:51
quote:
Originally posted by worker201:
I fully intend to use Mozilla on any new machine i get my hands on - it is just plain superior.  Although I will at least give Safari a try...

You would think that Apple would have tons of official propaganda about their OSes re "Treacherous Computing", but that doesnt seem to be the case.  Maybe they ought to have some guerilla marketing geared towards those of us who are sick and tired of supporting companies that dont give a fuck about their users.  Instead, they brag about how cool OfficeX is.  Strange.

By the way, the iBook seems like a much better buy than the Powerbook, as far as brandnew machines go.  inch for inch, what you're really paying for is the titanium case.


I will have to disagree...

at Amazon.com you can get a Superdrive loaded 12" powerbook for 1700, 100 less than Apple sells it for.  The 12" has a 867G4 faster than any G3 in the iBook.  A DVD Burner. a 40gig HD etc.  and its smaller than the iBook.  Don't get a 15" powerbook.  Updates are expected very soon.
Title: is Mac really an answer?
Post by: ravuya on 21 July 2003, 21:38
I completely concur with the opinion that Apple should do full-page newspaper spreads listing all the shit Windows logs in "hidden folders" and so forth.

[ July 21, 2003: Message edited by: Ravuya ]

Title: is Mac really an answer?
Post by: jasonlane on 21 July 2003, 22:11
hehe.    ;)  

I'm of the opinion that there (M$) doing it to themself. People are wiseing up, they will only take so much.

But a full page spread in al the major broadsheets would be a nail in the coffin. Perhaps we need to raise a few thousand and do it our self. Don't think there's anything they could do about it????

[ July 21, 2003: Message edited by: Zardoz ]

Title: is Mac really an answer?
Post by: Pissed_Macman on 22 July 2003, 03:48
Wait, I will solve this.

 
quote:
is Mac really an answer?


Yes it is.

[ August 04, 2003: Message edited by: Macman ]

Title: is Mac really an answer?
Post by: Fett101 on 22 July 2003, 05:57
Actually, it'd be "Yes, depending on the size of your bank account"

(another cheap shot for the poor bastards)
Title: is Mac really an answer?
Post by: Pissed_Macman on 22 July 2003, 06:50
Wait, I will solve this.

 
quote:
Originally posted by Fett101:
Actually, it'd be "Yes, depending on the size of your bank account"

(another cheap shot for the poor bastards)


Shut the fuck up.
Title: is Mac really an answer?
Post by: hm_murdock on 16 August 2003, 07:01
CLOSE THINE SOUND SPOUT OR I SHALL STAUNCH THE FLOW OF SYLLABLES FROM THINE WORD HOLE WHEN I ENGAGE YOU IN FISTICUFFS!!!

elite elizabethan hacker!!! you have been OWNED GOOD SIR!!
Title: is Mac really an answer?
Post by: bossesjoe on 16 August 2003, 07:11
quote:
Originally posted by Jimmy James: Computer Commando:
CLOSE THINE SOUND SPOUT OR I SHALL STAUNCH THE FLOW OF SYLLABLES FROM THINE WORD HOLE WHEN I ENGAGE YOU IN FISTICUFFS!!!

elite elizabethan hacker!!! you have been OWNED GOOD SIR!!
to laugh or cry?
Title: is Mac really an answer?
Post by: hm_murdock on 16 August 2003, 07:13
to be or not to be OWNED

GODDAMN I love Shakespearian english as well!!!

hey-nonny-nonny...

oh, yeah... and I'd say the 12" G4, too. I've got an iBook and love it, but to tell the truth, the G4 is gonna be useful longer, because they seem HELLBENT on making sure that those of us with G3s get left behind.

god knows 600MHz with a Rage 128 is ancient

[ August 15, 2003: Message edited by: Jimmy James: Computer Commando ]

Title: is Mac really an answer?
Post by: gump420 on 16 August 2003, 08:41
I've heard good things about the performance of Panther on G3 machines.  Of course, you'll have to pay for the upgrade . . .

Oh, and Apple likes to tout Office v.X because they seem to be focusing on business markets where M$ presence is the strongest.  Naturally they are targeting consumers also, but every computer company wants part of that pie.

Mmmmm . . . pie . . .
Title: is Mac really an answer?
Post by: hm_murdock on 16 August 2003, 10:06
just between the two of us... Panther is GOOOOOOOOD on the G3. Vid. performance is greatly improved. I'm liking it so far! I think I will in fact, pay 'em again for it.
Title: is Mac really an answer?
Post by: Stilly on 16 August 2003, 10:25
if it works on g3s as well you guys make it sound then maybe I can get my dad to steal a copy of it from work....
Title: is Mac really an answer?
Post by: raptor on 17 August 2003, 08:10
quote:
Originally posted by TheQuirk:
You can remove IE completely. BTW, the newest release of OS X doesn't even include IE (I think), and MS stopped developing IE for the Mac, so don't worry. Safari is a great browser.

And yes, you can easily use your Mac without any Microsoft software.

    (http://smile.gif)  



why the fuck would apple want anything fucking Micro$hit sold on their platform

[ August 16, 2003: Message edited by: raptor ]

Title: is Mac really an answer?
Post by: Stilly on 17 August 2003, 08:16
because it seems more familiar to a switcher
Title: is Mac really an answer?
Post by: ravuya on 22 August 2003, 22:45
quote:
Originally posted by The Stiller:
because it seems more familiar to a switcher


The Mac version and the Win32 version seem alike only in name. They both crash about the same though. Sadly it's the most modern browser I can run under Mac OS 8.1  :(
Title: is Mac really an answer?
Post by: Calum on 22 August 2003, 23:40
what????????
i am certain you can get a more recent version of Mozilla to run than you can get of IE for that platform. have a look at this list of browsers (http://openopen.org/software/browsers/browsers-overview.html), i am certain that IE is not the most recent browser for Mac OS 8, i just can't believe it.
Title: is Mac really an answer?
Post by: Laukev7 on 23 August 2003, 03:21
Try Cyberdog (http://drs.yahoo.com/S=2766679/K=cyberdog/v=2/SID=w/l=WS1/R=1/SS=16634091/OCS=841902/H=0/*-http://www.cyberdog.org/). It's been designed specially for Mac OS 8.1 by Apple.
Title: is Mac really an answer?
Post by: ravuya on 23 August 2003, 03:38
quote:
Originally posted by Calum:
what????????
i am certain you can get a more recent version of Mozilla to run than you can get of IE for that platform. have a look at this list of browsers (http://openopen.org/software/browsers/browsers-overview.html), i am certain that IE is not the most recent browser for Mac OS 8, i just can't believe it.


All versions of Mozilla I've tracked down require CarbonLib versions newer than the one 8.1 can run. I am incapable of running a lot of software unless I can find an 8.5 upgrade CD.

Let this be a lesson to the rest of you: When Apple charges $150 for an operating system upgrade, buy.
Title: is Mac really an answer?
Post by: hm_murdock on 23 August 2003, 07:09
Ravuya, send me an email. I have 8.5 on CD and don't have a use for it anymore.

remove spaces and caps from the email address

red IMSOBADASS rocker AT GOOD OLD alltel DOT net