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Operating Systems => macOS => Topic started by: Neuro7 on 13 January 2003, 03:09

Title: ? about apps and other progs.
Post by: Neuro7 on 13 January 2003, 03:09
Since OS X uses BSD under the hood, can you load Linux and BSD apps and progs in OS X? Also, does OS X come with the standard programming tools that you get with unix variants?
Title: ? about apps and other progs.
Post by: psyjax on 13 January 2003, 03:21
quote:
Originally posted by Neuro7:
Since OS X uses BSD under the hood, can you load Linux and BSD apps and progs in OS X? Also, does OS X come with the standard programming tools that you get with unix variants?


Many Linux and BSD apps run under OSX provided that they are re-compiled for PowerPC. The fink project has made great strides in this endevore and more and more OSS software from the other *NIX's is arriving on OSX by the day.

OSX comes with the gcc3 compiler as well as most of the standard tools you get with a *NIX. Apple also provides Developer Tools, it's free application IDE which can be used to compile BSD Darwin applications among other things.

[ January 12, 2003: Message edited by: psyjax: plain 'ol psyjax ]

Title: ? about apps and other progs.
Post by: Neuro7 on 13 January 2003, 03:34
Cool, I am going to get a powerbook probably around July, and was wanting to know if the Linux/BSD stuff was compatable as well as the programming stuff. I am in the process of learning C/C++ right now and wanted to make sure that OS X had compilers for this.
Title: ? about apps and other progs.
Post by: Pantso on 13 January 2003, 03:53
quote:
Originally posted by Neuro7:
Cool, I am going to get a powerbook probably around July, and was wanting to know if the Linux/BSD stuff was compatable as well as the programming stuff. I am in the process of learning C/C++ right now and wanted to make sure that OS X had compilers for this.


Excellent choice! Now, like psyjax wrote there are literally thousands of open source apps for OS X, including XDarwin, a version of the XWindows system for OS X. The best tool out there to get them is
Fink (http://fink.sourceforge.net) and its graphical frontend Fink Commander. Fink uses also Debian's package management apt-get and dpkg.

[ January 12, 2003: Message edited by: Panos ]

Title: ? about apps and other progs.
Post by: rtgwbmsr on 13 January 2003, 04:03
Apple now has a beta of the X11 window system for OS X.

Check it out:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11/ (http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11/)
Title: ? about apps and other progs.
Post by: psyjax on 13 January 2003, 04:17
quote:
Originally posted by The Muffin Man:
Apple now has a beta of the X11 window system for OS X.

Check it out:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11/ (http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11/)


AWSOME!!!! YAHOOOOO!!!! LOVE IT!!!

APPLE ROCKS!
Title: ? about apps and other progs.
Post by: Neuro7 on 13 January 2003, 04:39
So esentially, with the x windows and the other unix variant support for unix type progs, I wouldn't need to install YellowDog?
I have never used or owned a MAC before (except for trying out a powerbook in CompUSA a week ago) but I have decided that I am definitely going to get a powerbook. I was really thinking about putting Linux on it also, but if I don't need to I am not. Especially, if I can just put MACs version of X windows on it and be able to load and use the different Linux/BSD progs on it.
Title: ? about apps and other progs.
Post by: psyjax on 13 January 2003, 04:44
Ya, I have yellowdog dual booted with OSX 10.2.3 on My G4 dual 800, but I never use it. OSX does all the UNIX Linux suff I need.
Title: ? about apps and other progs.
Post by: Calum on 13 January 2003, 14:03
quote:
Originally posted by The Muffin Man:
Apple now has a beta of the X11 window system for OS X.

Check it out:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11/ (http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11/)


i did post some replies to this here (http://www.newtolinux.org.uk/forum/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=108;start=0;boardseen=1), and will be watching with interest. nice to see that apple plan to 'give back' their code improvements.
Title: ? about apps and other progs.
Post by: psyjax on 13 January 2003, 20:02
I posted a reply.
Title: ? about apps and other progs.
Post by: Pissed_Macman on 14 January 2003, 02:50
quote:
Originally posted by The Muffin Man:
Apple now has a beta of the X11 window system for OS X.

Check it out:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11/ (http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11/)


Holy hell, Apple does rock!
Title: ? about apps and other progs.
Post by: dot.this on 14 January 2003, 05:38
I've tried Fink, but I don't like it. I prefer to download pre-compiled, self-installing OS X packages. There isn't as much software available in OS X packages as via Fink, but the # increases every day and:

1- OS X packages are easy to install and uninstall (you should get OS X Package Manager (http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=14368&db=mac))
2- the compatibility is better-- it's not just Debian software that's supposed to run on a Mac. The people who make OS X Packages know what runs on their Macs.
3- The packages put the software where it belongs, not in a "sw" folder.
4- You can just use your browser to get them, instead of using Fink Commander.

Here are some places to get OS X Packages for X11:

http://www.opendarwin.org/projects/darwinports/en/x11.php (http://www.opendarwin.org/projects/darwinports/en/x11.php)
http://us.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/gnu-darwin/direct_download/packages/ppc/ (http://us.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/gnu-darwin/direct_download/packages/ppc/)
http://www.aaronfaby.com/downloads-x11.php (http://www.aaronfaby.com/downloads-x11.php)
http://macosx.forked.net/ (http://macosx.forked.net/)

Here's a site that keeps track of X11 software for Mac:
http://osx.hyperjeff.net/Apps/apps.php?sub=100&t=8 (http://osx.hyperjeff.net/Apps/apps.php?sub=100&t=8)