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Miscellaneous => The Lounge => Topic started by: choasforages on 8 October 2002, 04:42
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ok, down in washington dc, their is some sick fuck running around shooting people. check it out on the national news, this sucks, cuase i live in carrol county, and dc is right below us
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All I have to say is.. don't go outside, and for god's sake stay away from your lawn mower!
[ October 07, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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yeah, but thier like going around and shooting random people. i think it might be terrorists, cuase there doing a good job of scaring the population shitless
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Isn't this the same guy that's been going around Maryland the last couple of days shooting people? I hadn't heard anything about it today but yesterday I believe I heard the count was up to around 5 or 6. They need to catch this fuck and hang him by his balls.
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Yeah, same guy. Six dead, one in critical condition.
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Don't worry; the second ammendment is designed to protect you from this kind of thing. You can go and buy your own sniper rifle and get him before he gets you.
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Actually the boy is #8:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,64962,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,64962,00.html)
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Damn you. I was heading here to post that exact stoey! Oh well. http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/South/10/07/shootings.maryland/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/South/10/07/shootings.maryland/index.html)
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You must not use the "Tabbed" browsing feature in Mozilla. I've found it makes you fast. (http://smile.gif)
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I use tabs in Opera (http://smile.gif)
Also, you watch Fox news too?
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How can you not watch Fox news? That is, and not get a biased stance? Fox is the only good news service left, at least here in the States
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Yeah, I like FOX news. Sure they may be a "little" over on the right side of the scale but the rest are varying degrees on the left side of the scale in my opinion. I think they provide a good balance of news and entertainment. They are a little sensationalistic but that's one of the things that make them fun to watch.
And their web site doesn't go through msn.com or display any MSN adds. It displays perfectly in Linux/Mozilla. Of course I block msn.com and filter out ads so they may be displaying MSN ads that I never see. I can't even go to msnbc.com because it's hosted on MSN. (http://smile.gif) CNN would be my second favorite and probably closest to the middle but FOX puts a little extra excitement into their news. Oh well, I'm surely to get flamed over this so I'll just stop here. (http://smile.gif)
[ October 07, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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Your views are the same as mine. I started watching them last year when our cable service started showing them instead of Diney. Hehehehe.
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FOX has been good to me. Not only do they have great news but they are the ones who are responsible for bringing Al Bundy into my life. (http://smile.gif) And they have the best sports (I'm a sports nut). In fact I'm watching the baseball game on the main FOX channel right now. And of course nothing beats the FOX sports channel for more regional sports coverage (FOX Sports Midwest for me).
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ITS ME!!!
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we all know that Bobs would be too lazy to do anything like this. And of course a Bob would have to make sure that its a non-bob that he is killing... LOL
(the cult of bob does not condone killing people)
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Of course people are human beings, and B0b probably views non-b0bs as a lesser sub-species. ;)
Now I was very interested in this story. Very unheard of concept, and although it's tragic, it's still kinda neat.
Im just really unhappy about this, no it's not the people dead that im concerned about(did I shed a tear on 9/11? Hell no). The gun control faggots are gonna have a heyday on this, the mass public determines what future you Americans have with gun control, and the mass public is totally incapable of defending against the propaganda attacks of the Gun Control idiots.
When I imagine what's gonna be said by them, I get very upset and sad, im not American, im not old enough to be a gun d00d, but I hate those motherfuckers with a venegance.
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Just wait until he snipes YOU down, then we'll see how "neat" the concept it.
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I am American, I am old, and I also hate the gun control idiots. And I would certainly hate to see this incident turned into a gun control issue so let's not turn it into one. I feel very sorry for the families of the people who this sick fuck murdered, just like I feel very sorry for the families who were screwed on 9-11.
Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Law abiding citizens do not kill people, criminals kill people. Although I don't currently have any guns I used to have quite a few when I was a kid growing up on a farm. I used to do a lot of hunting. I have a lot of friends who hunt.
Again, let's not turn this incident into a gun control issue because we all know gun control has no bearing on freaks like this. If they want to murder, they will murder, whether it be with a legal or illegally purchased gun, with a knife, with their car, with an airplane, it doesn't matter.
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True. But I'm 100% sure it's not going to be turned into a gun control issue, but a "terrorist" issue. It'll be another excuse to bomb a middle-eastern nation.
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Well I would agree with you that it will be turned into a "terrorist" issue, because that's exactly what it is. However, it is of the "domestic" terrorist type that I believe this particular idiot is. We've had those before (OK City, mailbox bomber, etc).
[ October 07, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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They'll claim he is connected to the Al-Queda network.
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This kind of shit makes me wonder...what in the hell is wong with some people? I don't understand what could possibly go through someones' head to enjoy killing innocent people. And you know, if there was no gun control there would be a chance that a civilian nearby a snipe scene would see who popped off the shot and would be able to whip out his sidearm and blow the sniper to smitherines(I know, that is overzealous thinking..but, I gotta be creative ;P).
This kind of stuff makes me sick. People shouldn't have to fear going out into public to do normal things.
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Originally posted by TheQuirk:
They'll claim he is connected to the Al-Queda network.
Who knows, he might be. :confused:
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Of course he is. There's NO WAY he is some military-trained bastard that went insane.
I think we should nuke 95% of the middle east, and leave Israel (a.k.a "Little America") to govern the whole thing (that will be just a big nuclear waste territory)! Yay!
Oh, and don't call me "anti-american" or "anti-israeli."
I lived in Israel for a pretty long while, and am now an American citizen. But these are the simple facts.
The headline tommorow on your local news station - "America Says 'Fuck Off' To The World."
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Originally posted by TheQuirk:
True. But I'm 100% sure it's not going to be turned into a gun control issue, but a "terrorist" issue. It'll be another excuse to bomb a middle-eastern nation.
no offense but...
that is about the most retarded thing you have ever said.
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Originally posted by TheQuirk:
They'll claim he is connected to the Al-Queda network.
no, i stand corrected...
that was
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...just jacking with you...
this is some dumb cracker with a 45 and a geo metro. we may or may not catch him, but if some moronic liberal politician turns this into a gun control circle-jerk, or if some bloated-head rep says he is an islamic extremist terrorist, they have......
MADE MY LIST!
guns don't kill people. people don't kill people. bullets dont kill people. psychotic white trash swine like this screwball kill people. he is my hero.
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Originally posted by sporkme / bob:
he is my hero.
Like many of your posts lately I was right with you up until your last sentence. Maybe you should leave the last sentence out of your posts from now on and you will be my hero.
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Originally posted by void main:
Again, let's not turn this incident into a gun control issue because we all know gun control has no bearing on freaks like this. If they want to murder, they will murder, whether it be with a legal or illegally purchased gun, with a knife, with their car, with an airplane, it doesn't matter.
no they won't. in this country we have gun control laws and as such we don't ever have this kind of thing. we have virtually no gun crime whatsoever. oh and no-one goes into a school and kills 30 kids with a knife.
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Hmmm, what do you make of this:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,59866,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,59866,00.html)
Are these people way off base? Of course there are many arguments on both side. Who's right? All I know is my father-in-law likes to hunt. And I like the freezer full of deer meat I get from him every year. Sure, he could use a bow and arrow I suppose.
[ October 08, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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Well I think we can agree there are a lot of sick fucks out there. Personally there are two things here that really piss me off (aside from the fact that some sick fuck is killing people sniper fashion).
1. The News was last night full of the gun being used. I forget what type but apparently experts call it 'the perfect killing machine' or something of that nature - well that is just newscast hyperbole, what freaks me out is the almost erotic attachment these experts (and the news media attach more) have to guns - those people are the sick fucks, I am willing to bet that whoever this turns out to be (black, white, male, female, terrorist, internal nutter, druggie, whatever) will have an unnatural attachment to guns.
2. Yet again we have a killing - rampage may not be the right word here, but you know what I mean - where high power or high performance guns are the objects being used. Gun restrictions laws should apply to these types of weapons.
That was an interesting link void, worthy of further investigation - one day if gun control ever becomes important in my life.
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What you have to worry about is all the other sick fucks that say,
'Hey!, this guy is killing many innocent civilians and getting away with it.'
Think of how many wierdo's would like to (and may will) do a copy-cat killing of this.
ps The BBC is the best mainstream news source you will find.
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they will catch him, according to the prophecy.
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And you know, if there was no gun control there would be a chance that a civilian nearby a snipe scene would see who popped off the shot and would be able to whip out his sidearm and blow the sniper to smitherines(I know, that is overzealous thinking..but, I gotta be creative ;P).
Hey Zombie, that reminds me of this comic I saw with the caption "If America was truly the land of the free". It shows some arab dudes with those silly knives highjacking an airplane, and all the passengers have pistols and are pointing them at the hijackers. (http://smile.gif)
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Just wait until he snipes YOU down, then we'll see how "neat" the concept it.
Hey im not saying it's good, it's just one of those cool/uncool things. It's uncool that he killed people, but the whole concept of what happening is still sorta cool in a wierd way. Oh well, im wierd. (http://smile.gif)
Ok but what's worse then gun control, or just as bad? The US labeling this as a terrorist incident, then using it as an excuse to take away personal freedoms.
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Originally posted by Tux:
What you have to worry about is all the other sick fucks that say,
'Hey!, this guy is killing many innocent civilians and getting away with it.'
Think of how many wierdo's would like to (and may will) do a copy-cat killing of this.
That's why I say this is a form of a domestic terror. People are afraid to go out of their homes and of copy-cats. However, I am not one that lives in fear. Life is dangerous, but it can be very enjoyable if you can live it without fear. The little attention starved loser will be caught and life will go on.
[ October 08, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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Something to consider:
If I wanted to create terror, I can't really see a better method than random sniper attacks; if I had followers that were willing to fly an airplane ito a building, how difficult would it be to have them conduct random sniper attacks and risk arrest and conviction for first degree murder; even if they were sentenced to death, it would be fine with them; remember, these people want to be "martyrs", plus, our "News" networks would eat this up like good candy; THAT'S how you terrorize, and consequently, parylize a society. If what I'm saying were true, the United States would have to adopt a civilian attitude like Israel; willingness to accept the deaths of civilians without disruption of daily life; I don't know if the U.S. is ready to do that.
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I allways thought the idea of the right to bear arms had to do with the ability of americas people to fight off opression. That way, if the government ever did become a tyranny, the people would still have the means to revolt.
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Originally posted by psyjax:
I allways thought the idea of the right to bear arms had to do with the ability of americas people to fight off opression. That way, if the government ever did become a tyranny, the people would still have the means to revolt.
That's where it started....
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That's why I say this is a form of a domestic terror. People are afraid to go out of their homes and of copy-cats. However, I am not one that lives in fear. Life is dangerous, but it can be very enjoyable if you can live it without fear. The little attention starved loser will be caught and life will go on.
He's using a .223 rifle, or so I heard mentioned. Question is, does he take the time to aim for the brain? Media is so friggin dumb. IE:Sniper kills people. And am like how? Did he have to shoot them 6 times in the torso? Did he just hit the brain once? Did the victims die of bloodloss or in hospital? Stupid media. :(
I mean class III body armor would totally save your ass against Mr sniper, but that's not nice to always be wearing.
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Originally posted by void main:
Like many of your posts lately I was right with you up until your last sentence. Maybe you should leave the last sentence out of your posts from now on and you will be my hero.
heheh just trying to offend someone out there!
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6 people hardly constitutes a jihad.
its a media frenzy, like a little girl getting killed.
[ October 08, 2002: Message edited by: sporkme / bob ]
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Originally posted by lazygamer:
He's using a .223 rifle, or so I heard mentioned. Question is, does he take the time to aim for the brain? Media is so friggin dumb. IE:Sniper kills people. And am like how? Did he have to shoot them 6 times in the torso? Did he just hit the brain once? Did the victims die of bloodloss or in hospital? Stupid media. :(
I mean class III body armor would totally save your ass against Mr sniper, but that's not nice to always be wearing.
My father was a Marine during WWII; on Bouganville, the Japanese snipers started using greased cocoanut wood bullets, the reason being, if you hit a man ANYWHERE on his body, the projectile shattered and tumbled; that left horrendous damage, so they effectively removed about 4 potential combatants, because it takes several men to tend one wounded soldier. Sometimes killing an opponent isn't the best idea.
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Originally posted by creedon:
My father was a Marine during WWII; on Bouganville, the Japanese snipers started using greased cocoanut wood bullets, the reason being, if you hit a man ANYWHERE on his body, the projectile shattered and tumbled; that left horrendous damage, so they effectively removed about 4 potential combatants, because it takes several men to tend one wounded soldier. Sometimes killing an opponent isn't the best idea.
That's why landmines blow your legs off rather than your head...
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right. several things.
this shooting is sick and deserves a really nasty punishment.
this will get turned into a 'war on terrorism' issue, if it possibly can
this IS a gun control issue, whether you choose to ignore that fact or not
it is in no way 'neat' or 'cool' or anything of the sort.
Also, how do you know that these shootings are the same guy if they haven't caught him? might be some weird cult all killing different people at arranged times... i heard that there were several different weapons involved (but that several of the killings had been made using the same gun).
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im not a gun control freak either but this brings to mind a quote
"they say guns dont kill people, people do. But i think the gun helps. you cant just sit there and go BANG! BOOM! POW! BANG BANG! and expect a person to die..youd have to be really dodgy on the heart.." -Eddie Izzard
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No, this is a crime by a lunatic that happens to involve a gun, not a gun control issue. Just the other day someone drove their pickup through a crowd of people killing them. Where's the "truck control" issue?
No news channel or newspaper I have read on the subject has mentioned a *single* connection to the "war on terror". Nada. It appears to be one person, using the same gun in every case.
This is not a new concept. There have been several serial killers in the past. The last big one I recall was the guy lured boys to his house, had sex with them, killed them (not with a gun), then ate some of them and stored many of them in his refridgerator. When people are fucked in the head and want to kill, they are going to kill. Like the Boston Strangler, etc, etc..
And what about the mailbox bomber? Seems to me that making a pipe bomb is already illegal. That should have stopped him right there right?
[ October 09, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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Originally posted by void main:
No, this is a crime by a lunatic that happens to involve a gun, not a gun control issue. Just the other day someone drove their pickup through a crowd of people killing them. Where's the "truck control" issue?
while you might think i am being funny here, i agree, truck control should indeed be tighter regulated. In this country anyway, driving laws are poor and are upheld badly, resulting in many more deaths and injuries than are really necessary.
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No news channel or newspaper I have read on the subject has mentioned a *single* connection to the "war on terror". Nada. It appears to be one person, using the same gun in every case.
in that case i am very happy. Not about the gunperson, but about the non-'war' thing.
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And your truck control example is a good example. But it doesn't work when people blatently break those laws in order to kill someone. No amount of truck control will prevent road rage (road rage may only be an American thing).
A justified argument for gun control is one similar to your truck example. Laws that make sure legal gun owners keep there gun in a locked safe so kids can't accidentally get into them and play cowboys and indians thinking they have a toy gun. Of course if a kid's dad breaks the law and leaves his gun out a kid could still die playing with it.
This example is a clear case of someone breaking the law. Last time I checked murder is against our laws. People who break the law will get a gun anyway. I hate for the day to come that only the criminals in our country are allowed to carry a gun.
I don't have any stats on this at my fingertips but I believe this would have been argued in the past. Without looking at those arguments in my mind it is logical if the posession of a firearm is legal, then a robber would think twice before breaking an entering a residence. If owning a gun is illegal, it's open game in the city for robbery. And just for your information, I haven't owned a gun in 20 years but I am *totally* against banning them. Let's say a robber has two houses to choose from to rob. He knows one house is owned by a person who owns a gun and he knows the second house is owned by a person who doesn't have a gun. Which one would *you* rob? Sure, the one with the most loot, I know...
Sure most robbers are dumb and won't think about this and rob anyway but some may think twice. And this is only one example of my feelings on the protection part of it. Hell, not only should it be *mandatory* that everyone have a gun (semi-joking on this one) but gun safety classes should be mandatory by all ages so the kids know the difference between a real gun and a play gun, and they will know what kind of damage a real gun can cause.
I also believe I should be allowed to hunt with a gun. I grew up on a farm. I started hunting when I was a child. Many of my friends hunted. We were taught *strict* gun safety before we were allowed to carry a gun safely.
I tell you what should be outlawed. It's those sub 10 second crotch rockets all the 18 year old kids are riding around on at 150mph in a pair of shorts and no helmet with their girl friends on the back. And I'm an avid motorcyclist.
[ October 09, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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it is in no way 'neat' or 'cool' or anything of the sort.
Oh goddammit, I can't help it if I think like Beavis and Butthead! ;)
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Why is it that everytime someone gets shot, people would rather talk about banning guns than catching the fucker who is shooting people. This one might be a serial killer. I mean how many others would kill this many people. Hes obviously not a hitman since hes killing children and seemingly random people. I dont think a gangbanger would kill like this either. Are all the victims black, or other ethnic groups than white? Maybe he's a racial extremist. I looked up similar cases in the past and this is what I found.
http://blackwaterusa.com/btw/articles/sniper1.html (http://blackwaterusa.com/btw/articles/sniper1.html)
In this case the which seems similar, the suspect was a gun enthusiast with a criminal record. He was described to be more of a serial killer.
http://massmurder.dyns.net/charles_whitman.htm (http://massmurder.dyns.net/charles_whitman.htm)
This is a bit of an older case, but this time the killings were performed by a seemingly normal person. He had no criminal record, but a brain tumor was believed to be effecting his mind.
http://enquirer.com/editions/1997/04/17/loc_franklin.html (http://enquirer.com/editions/1997/04/17/loc_franklin.html)
In this case the killer was racially motivated and his killing spree went on for years.
Whatever the case I think they need to get this one quick.
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Good points made in this thread...
I grew up in Montgomery Gounty, MD, so this thing is hitting me a little closer to the heart. I used to go to that Shell Station everyday for gas and smokes, so it kind of gets you thinking. I have family and freinds in thgat area, and I am greatly concerned.
Regarding The Second Amendment: It was put in place back in the 1700s, not for Americans to be able to arm themselves in fear of a tyrant taking control of the government. That is why we have the electoral college. The 2nd Amendment was passed because back in that period pioneers were starting to move westward toward the plains to settle. It was made so those people would have a right to keep and bear arms for their own protection against Indians and vagabonds that might threaten "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
The argument of gun control is futile. Maryland law regulates the sale and possession of assault weapons (which has been determined that this is what this guy is using...an AR-15, although there are several guns that will fire that caliber ((.223)) bullet.) I now live in Los Angeles, inside a state that has the most strict gun laws in the US. ALL assault weapons are banned in California, even some old WWII and WWI carbines that you wouldn't even consider as assault weapons. Murders still roll on, and assault weapons are still used. Basically, these "gun control" laws control only the law abiding gun owners, such as myself who obey them out of fear of going to jail and getting ass-raped by some hariy lawn-ape. Criminals who get their hands on these guns, and that don't give a fuck about ANY law, let alone gun laws, are the ones causing the problems.
Hopefully, they will catch this jerkoff soon. Like all serial killers, the cops just have to wait for this guy to fuck up. That's how NYPD got the Son of Sam. A friggin parking ticket did that guy in. They got Dahmer because he forgot to re-up on some air-freshener. I know the general terrain in MoCo, MD, and from what I have gathered, this guy is using wooded areas to hide and pick out his targets. If the police would comb the wooded areas that border high-traffic places, such as Rockville, they might be able to catch this guy in the act. Hopefully they will get him soon.
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i live in Prince William county Va and there was just a shooting there in 234. a truck driver was shot at. i am not sure if he was hit but they did hit the window. My HS that i was at was right along that road. I am scared shitless. They say it might have just been a hunter b/c there are hunting grounds around there but i am skeptical of that. dont hunting grounds have to be so far away or something. So right now i am hiding in my room not wanting to come out and my mom is goin make me goto skool tommorow it sucks
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Hopefully, they will catch this jerkoff soon. Like all serial killers, the cops just have to wait for this guy to fuck up. That's how NYPD got the Son of Sam. A friggin parking ticket did that guy in. They got Dahmer because he forgot to re-up on some air-freshener. I know the general terrain in MoCo, MD, and from what I have gathered, this guy is using wooded areas to hide and pick out his targets. If the police would comb the wooded areas that border high-traffic places, such as Rockville, they might be able to catch this guy in the act. Hopefully they will get him soon.
I just hope they'd be smart enough to wear body armor(particulary head protection) if they searched those woods. Would be pretty easy for the sniper to take several unsuspecting police officers down IF he got the jump.
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Regarding the woods. I think they should ban all trees. Cut down all the trees and he'll have no place to hide which will end the killings. Regarding being afraid to go to school, get your own gun and shoot back at the sick SOB. Maybe he'll think twice about doing it again.
Seriously, I would be scared too. But it *is* a good reason to get out of school. I used to have to resort to much weaker excuses to get out of school. I think you just have to put it into perspective though. What is the rate at which the killings are going on? Maybe 1 every two days? How many people live in within the perimeter of the area where the shootings are going on?
Now figure out the odds that it will be you that gets it next. Once you figure that out, figure out the odds of a car veering off the road and running you over because of a mechanical problem or from a police chase. I think you will find the odds to be similar. So really, as scary as this shit is, the odds of you dying from something else are probably much greater and you've grown to live with those odds. Same with this.
You should be concerned, it's a natural reaction. You should also be cognizant (keep your eyes open) in case you do hear a shot you might be able to help the cops find this SOB.
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Im not sure if the Second amendment has anything to do with westward expansion considering that most of that took place in the 19th century.
In a book I read once on the issue "To Keep and Bear arms" the auther (whose name I can't remember) speaks of the early settlments and how in order to deffend them, the local govt. would recruit militia from amongst the populace.
When the constitution was drafterd, this idea of individual comunities being able to defend themselves was naturaly adopted into the document.
When I said to fight of tyrany, was not necissarly a tyrant, or outside force but rather our own govt. The US govt. is based on the concept of revolution, and the peoples right to revolt. In a way, that's what we do every four years when an election comes up.
So, if ever there is a point where our govt. get's a bit to big for it's britches, the people wouldendt have to put up with it.
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psyjax, that's pretty much what I was taught about it. A lot of people claim that is no longer a valid reason and believe we should lose the right. I am not one of those people.
I also found a good article the other day that broke it down and put it into the context of the times and how it relates today. I should have posted it, can probably find it again. There's a lot of *crap* out there about it, it's really hard to find a *good* article by an educated person on the subject.
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I don't care how much the government tries to enforce gun control because the bottom line is, the people who shouldn't have guns(the ones to blame for even having gun control laws) will still have guns(easily accessed through the black market on the streets) and the people who actually uses a gun responsibly are the people who gets hurt by the stupid laws. With that in mind, how is gun control helping the country any? Having gun control actually makes this place more dangerous for good people because the criminals(the guys who will have the illegal guns) will be armed and the good citizens won't be armed(the good citizen won't have any form of protection). The criminals know this and love it. The government can cram thier gun control laws up thier ass for all I care.
I really hate the way that the American government strips more and more rights from us law abiding citizens every day. In my honest opinion, I don't feel that America is a free country anymore. It is turning into a communist country.
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I woulden't say communist.
I think it's got a ways to go before it get's TOO unbearable, but I have faith that people aren't blind to the govt. injustices. That's the great thing about the system, if stuff is too fucked up there will usually be a vocal majority (or minority) to point it out.
Now, it's the manufactured concent of corporate oligopolies like M$ and AOL-TimeWarner that we have to worry about. These are the folks that influence our ideas more than anyone.
Scary shit.
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Here in Indiana you can get arrested and thrown in jail for throwing a cigarette butt out your car window(it is a class B felony I think, it may be a class C though). A class B felony is up there with involuntary manslaughter...a class B felony for throwing a cigarette butt out the window. How can something like that be treated like a severe crime? Now tell me that this country isn't turning communist. ;P
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We need Rush Limbaugh for president and Zombie for vice president. That'll straighten them out!
Seriously, I agree completely with your views on this Zombie.
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Originally posted by Calum:
right. several things.
this shooting is sick and deserves a really nasty punishment.
this will get turned into a 'war on terrorism' issue, if it possibly can
this IS a gun control issue, whether you choose to ignore that fact or not
it is in no way 'neat' or 'cool' or anything of the sort.
Also, how do you know that these shootings are the same guy if they haven't caught him? might be some weird cult all killing different people at arranged times... i heard that there were several different weapons involved (but that several of the killings had been made using the same gun).
You can tell if bullets came from the same gun by the markings on the bullet. It is highly unlikely that two guns would place the exact same markings on a bullet. I heard that there was 8 killings with the same rifle and therefore would most likely be the same person.
[ October 09, 2002: Message edited by: The Master of Reality / Bob ]
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Originally posted by void main:
We need Rush Limbaugh for president and Zombie for vice president. That'll straighten them out!
Seriously, I agree completely with your views on this Zombie.
Ahh the jaged wing on your right shoulderblade is spread wide.
While I calmly fold up both my moderate wings.
Or something metaporical like that :D
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Originally posted by void main:
And your truck control example is a good example. But it doesn't work when people blatently break those laws in order to kill someone. No amount of truck control will prevent road rage (road rage may only be an American thing).
A justified argument for gun control is one similar to your truck example. Laws that make sure legal gun owners keep there gun in a locked safe so kids can't accidentally get into them and play cowboys and indians thinking they have a toy gun. Of course if a kid's dad breaks the law and leaves his gun out a kid could still die playing with it.
This example is a clear case of someone breaking the law. Last time I checked murder is against our laws. People who break the law will get a gun anyway. I hate for the day to come that only the criminals in our country are allowed to carry a gun.
I don't have any stats on this at my fingertips but I believe this would have been argued in the past. Without looking at those arguments in my mind it is logical if the posession of a firearm is legal, then a robber would think twice before breaking an entering a residence. If owning a gun is illegal, it's open game in the city for robbery. And just for your information, I haven't owned a gun in 20 years but I am *totally* against banning them. Let's say a robber has two houses to choose from to rob. He knows one house is owned by a person who owns a gun and he knows the second house is owned by a person who doesn't have a gun. Which one would *you* rob? Sure, the one with the most loot, I know...
Sure most robbers are dumb and won't think about this and rob anyway but some may think twice. And this is only one example of my feelings on the protection part of it. Hell, not only should it be *mandatory* that everyone have a gun (semi-joking on this one) but gun safety classes should be mandatory by all ages so the kids know the difference between a real gun and a play gun, and they will know what kind of damage a real gun can cause.
I also believe I should be allowed to hunt with a gun. I grew up on a farm. I started hunting when I was a child. Many of my friends hunted. We were taught *strict* gun safety before we were allowed to carry a gun safely.
I tell you what should be outlawed. It's those sub 10 second crotch rockets all the 18 year old kids are riding around on at 150mph in a pair of shorts and no helmet with their girl friends on the back. And I'm an avid motorcyclist.
[ October 09, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
Up here it is mandatory to take a 3 day course and a written and practical test (for safety) and then have a background check and some goverment person needs to talk to someone who knows you well before they will give you a PAL (Possesion and Aquisition License) for firearms.
You also need to take a 3 day hunter safety course and take a written and practical test to get your outdoors card (hunting license). You must get over 80% on all the tests and if you get any of the first ten questions wrong you automatically fail because they involve major safety issues.
And most gun related deaths are by suicide anyway i think its about 80%. But then again even when a pig (cop) kills someone it is called a homiced so it is really about 83% suicide. I cant remember what percent is by accident and homicide.
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Originally posted by void main:
We need Rush Limbaugh for president and Zombie for vice president. That'll straighten them out!
Seriously, I agree completely with your views on this Zombie.
You know who is to blame for alot of our freedom being stripped from us....like being able to own a gun, like making alcohol more illegal everyday, like trying to make tobaccoo prices outrageous(they already are), etc.? Alot of the stuff can be blamed on those fat swines in women prostesting groups(the ones who cry fould about guns and shit), faggot lover groups(who also cry foul about stupid stuff), and of course the government who caves into these groups.
Another thing that pisses me off about this country anymore is the hate crime and discrimination laws. I'm not a racist or anything, but it burns my britches knowing that if a white person beats up a black person it is called a hate crime and battery but if a black beats up a white it is just battery and nothing more. At work, a white person can be a hard worker and mess up one time and will get fired on the spot whereas members of other races can screw up constantly, be lazy, etc. and not get fired because the job knows they will cry that the job is discriminating them. Other races think it is ok to say bad things about white people, they call us honkeys, rednecks, hillbillies, crackers, etc. even in thier music and the media says nothing about it...but if a white person says anything slang about another race in a song the media cries foul that it shouldn't be on an album and it gets yanked from the shelves.
The way it is nowadays in America, Caucasions are the most discriminated race there is. That is no bullshit either.
[ October 09, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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i believe that... equal rights my ass.
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Originally posted by psyjax:
Ahh the jaged wing on your right shoulderblade is spread wide.
While I calmly fold up both my moderate wings.
Or something metaporical like that :D
Damn right. Actually today's right wing is really closer to the middle and the left wing is *extremely* left. In what we call left and right wing today I believe are both left, right wing just not as far.
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Oh where do i start? :D (http://tongue.gif)
1)Fox news sucks. Basically it is a 24 hour tabloid. But, then again look who is running it. lol When news attacks...Of course, the only thing all cable news networks are good for is the talking head shows. I surf the web for news. The BBC site is a good one.
2)I don't think this guy is al queda or some muslim/arab terrorist. Just a nut with a gun. Even if the perp turns out to be muslim and/or arab that means nothing really. I could introduce you to a few christian nuts that will probably be on the news next. BTW, do they have any new clues on Eric Rudolph(abortion/olympic park bomber) or are those types of terrorists not in vogue right now?
3)Gun control legislation is feel good, but ultimately nobody is safer. I lived in the 'hood when i was in college and i will bet you that over 99% of those guns were illegal. So, how does that make me safer? Would gun control people be happier if criminals used a truck bomb instead? At least if legal citizens have a firearm, then they have some self-defense. The police aren't going to be at your doorstep every moment to make sure you are okay.
4)I agree that there is no such thing as a "hate" crime. People have the right to be as ignorant as they want to be, but if you injure or kill someone else for reasons other than self-defense, it is a crime. Doesn't matter what color you are or what you might have been thinking.
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Hey, it's my favorite "lefty". How ya been Kat? (http://smile.gif) I actually agree with all of your points. But I still like to watch FOX News. It's just plain entertaining. And I know when they say they are "fair and balanced" they aren't kidding anyone, including me.
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He left the death tarot card and called himself god... i would tell mroe but i gotta fix my bass.
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I seriously doubt that this bastard has anything to do with Middle Eastern terrorists. He's a nut. That's all.
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But he can and probably will do a lot to contribute to the continuing erosion of America's civil liberties and our constitutional rights. The 2nd Amendment had a lot to do with the idea of empowering the people and giving them the power to oust a government they felt did not represent them. Remember that they had just fought to free themselves of a monarchy which they felt did not properly represent them. And they used their weapons to do it. It also had a lot to do with the very basic right to self-defense. There was a lot of fear in those days of a powerful central government. Think of the wording of the 10th Amendment:
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."
In other words, ONLY the powers specifically given to the Federal government by the Constitution were permitted to the Federal Government. The States were given all powers that were not prohibited them specifically be the Constitution. They were prohibited from infringing on the right (of the people) to keep and bear arms. All other powers belonged to the states or the people.
Where in the body of the Constitution is the Federal government given the power to regulate traffic laws? Yet they are now in the process of coercing the states to reduce DWI limits to .08. Where does the Constitution authorize HUD? What about Federal Commercial Drivers' Licenses for intra-state trucking? How many ways has the 4th Amendment been compromised since 9-11? The 9th Amendment is now no more than a footnote; more or less forgotten in that the Constitution's guarantees are seen as more of an upper limit on out rights rather than a base line.
But here's how it happens. People are upset by something. Domestic violence, DWI tragedies, shooting deaths, whatever. They become afraid and DEMAND that the government do soemthing to protect them. They are more than willing to give up a bit more of their freedom and beg and pray that Big Brother protect them. I get upset with our representatives in Washington, but I've developed more disgust with my fellow American citizens who are not willing to fend for themselves or take risks and will shout and scream to their elected representatives and demand that their liberties be limited or lost for a tiny bit of perceived safety.
The same kind of jerks that want "trusted OS's" and Palladium and DMCA and etc. Weak, cowardly fools.
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Just my $.02
Jim
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Originally posted by TheQuirk :
I think we should nuke 95% of the middle east, and leave Israel (a.k.a "Little America") to govern the whole thing (that will be just a big nuclear waste territory)! Yay!
Oh, and don't call me "anti-american" or "anti-israeli."
I lived in Israel for a pretty long while, and am now an American citizen. But these are the simple facts.
The headline tommorow on your local news station - "America Says 'Fuck Off' To The World."
Ok, i have to say something about this. I don't know what your beef is with Muslims or Arabs and really i don't care either. To say that we should nuke an area and kill people who have done nothing is simply evil. I don't care what your excuse is. Don't label a group for the actions of a few. As an American, i want no association with Israel. They are a foreign nation. Let them fend for themselves. What frightens me is that 9/11 let all the bigots out of the closet. May God help all of those who look 'suspect' if there is another al-queda attack. Most of the problems the US has in the middle east aren't due to "evil muslims", but rather due to piss poor foreign policy. But, this administration like past ones would rather people scapegoat someone else. I mean seriously, who gave Saddam the bioweapons and who created Osama in the first place?
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Well this is my take. If your born non-white you can cry foul about racism or have people favor you cuz they feel sorry for you perhaps.
The advantage to being white is that your safer from violent racists and regular racists(discrimination) in general. Just because your employer will let you get away with more crap doesn't mean that you won't encouter plenty of discrimination that can't be solved by going to one of those racial watchdog groups.
Now it's possible that there could be alot of white discrimination that isn't known about because no one talks about it, but who knows.
Summary, I'll be a wigger wannabe or is that a wannabe wannabe of a wigger. ;)
Errr actually I just like rap music, so that doesn't really make me a \/\/!gg3r...
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it does sound like he is crazy.... crazy like a fox (just j/king). He left the death tarot card for police at a gas station he just shot a pump jockey at. On the card it says something like "ha police.... I am God" on it.
Master of Reality sleep now.
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Originally posted by void main:
Hey, it's my favorite "lefty". How ya been Kat? (http://smile.gif) I actually agree with all of your points. But I still like to watch FOX News. It's just plain entertaining. And I know when they say they are "fair and balanced" they aren't kidding anyone, including me.
Favorite lefty? LOL Would it kill you if i told you i was a registered Republican? Really i am more moderate than anything. I have been good, just got finished dealing with Isadore and Lili(yes i live in Louisiana). Luckily we didnt have any damage. It must have set some sort of record though, a tropical storm and a hurricane all within two weeks and both hit on a Thursday. Al-queda plot?
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Originally posted by Kat:
I mean seriously, who gave Saddam the bioweapons
C'mon Kate. Do you *seriously* think our government gave Saddam bioweapon technology? They don't need America for that. Bioweapons are not that difficult to make and they more than have the capability to research and develop their own. Now we *did* give/sell/trade conventional weapons to them. That's no secret.
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and who created Osama in the first place?
I would guess his mother and father, the bin-ladens.
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Originally posted by Kat:
Favorite lefty? LOL Would it kill you if i told you i was a registered Republican? Really i am more moderate than anything. I have been good, just got finished dealing with Isadore and Lili(yes i live in Louisiana). Luckily we didnt have any damage. It must have set some sort of record though, a tropical storm and a hurricane all within two weeks and both hit on a Thursday. Al-queda plot?
Historically I have actually been pretty much middle of the road when it comes to politics. But I gotta tell you that changed when Clinton got elected. Him and several other dems really make me angry and have "pushed" me more to the right than anything.
As far as the hurricanes go I believe it was the Castro-Al-queda connection. (http://smile.gif) I was on the coast in Myrtle Beach, SC when Hugo rolled through. The ones you guys just got was a huge scare for New Orleans I'm sure. Those people can't take a direct hit by a big one can they?
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Nah, I still think Kat has a valid point.
The US dosn't descriminate much when choosing friends. They choose werever the money is coming from.
Early on WWII we even helped out the Germans some. I dunno, if it's some sort of illuminati-like imperialist plot, or just a flaw in the capitolist system. In the end I think the general US policy is:
You got money? ok, well do buissness. But if you fuck with us, we bomb your ass.
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psyjax, I would agree with that. The U.S. provides arms to a *lot* of countries. Look at the F-16. There must be like 30 countries who fly them. But I can't accept that the U.S. provided bio weapons technology. Especially since we burned up our stock pile long ago.
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I'm not even going to begin describing what I think about the democratic party. I'll just sy that this country started going to hell when Clinton first got into office and things never got any better. I have to give Bush some credit, last year after the Sept. 11th attack Bush didn't hide like a coward(I'm sure Clinton would've hid in a highly secure bomb shelter and let his goons do the public speaking). I better shut-up now. ;P
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Zombie, I think we've found *one* area where we are in complete agreement. Ok, I'll shut up now too. :)
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I am so politically incompetent that I don't even get this whole left wing/right wing stuff(of course that's a good thing). Then there's things like Liberal=not all 0ldsk00l and bogged down by stupid morals that do nothing. After all, those damn baby boomers and pre-baby boomers were a bunch of blankety blanks. ;)
Conservative is being those 0ldsk00l blankety blanks. Then there's dumb things, like democrats(liberal) being gun control dudes, thus making them stupid shitheads and making the conservative republicans be the cool ones.
Hmmm teh plot thickens. Maybe I don't know what im talking about?
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He just shot another one. And I talk to a guy on IRC daily.. He was walking home when it happened (he lives near that gas station, or something).