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Miscellaneous => The Lounge => Topic started by: <Chebyrashka> on 16 December 2001, 02:06

Title: AMD or Intel?
Post by: <Chebyrashka> on 16 December 2001, 02:06: Hello
i was wondering, what do u people think about two chip developers (AMD $intel) which is better? Faster? Cheaper?, putting those things together, which is the best?

i think AMD is the best compared to the price.
what do u ppl think?
Title: AMD or Intel?
Post by: CommonSense on 16 December 2001, 03:53: AMD. Go with an Athlon if you can; it's a lot faster than Intel.

Well, that's what I've heard anyway. (http://smile.gif)
Title: AMD or Intel?
Post by: voidmain on 16 December 2001, 04:19: I would have to agree with Webmaster (even though I know he is partial to PPC etc). I think you get more bang for your buck with an AMD Athalon. I've been running a 1600 for a couple of months now and I've thrown a heck of a lot at it and it doesn't break a sweat. Just pack lots of fast memory around it and you'll be very happy.
Title: AMD or Intel?
Post by: sway on 16 December 2001, 07:35: Intel is pretty much a rip off, sure.. they get the job done, and they do a great job at it, but why not spend less for an AMD, and get the job done even faster?
Title: AMD or Intel?
Post by: serpent on 17 December 2001, 17:54: yeah - AMD all the way...

beats intel hands down..
dont go for Duron, its made to match the celeron.. make sure you pick Athlon (T-Bird) or XP/MP .. much better..
Title: AMD or Intel?
Post by: gump420 on 18 December 2001, 08:02: I used to run a Duron (right up until a friend managed to fry my Socket A board).

I didn't really notice any problems with the Duron; I even put it to the test with some heavy-duty 3D games such as Descent3, and it performed quite nicely (and with only PC100 Ram and an outdated video card, to boot).

I would recommend an Athlon, but a Duron is a nice cheap alternative that also overclocks quite nicely.
Title: AMD or Intel?
Post by: runkpock on 20 December 2001, 01:22: check this out:
processor   : 0
vendor_id   : AuthenticAMD
cpu family   : 6
model      : 6
model name   : AMD Athlon(tm) Processor
stepping   : 2
cpu MHz      : 1194.696
cache size   : 256 KB
fdiv_bug   : no
hlt_bug      : no
f00f_bug   : no
coma_bug   : no
fpu      : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level   : 1
wp      : yes
flags      : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow
bogomips   : 2385.51

processor   : 1
vendor_id   : AuthenticAMD
cpu family   : 6
model      : 6
model name   : AMD Athlon(tm) Processor
stepping   : 2
cpu MHz      : 1194.696
cache size   : 256 KB
fdiv_bug   : no
hlt_bug      : no
f00f_bug   : no
coma_bug   : no
fpu      : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level   : 1
wp      : yes
flags      : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow
bogomips   : 2385.51

Not only is it really stinking fast, But it does
everything faster that a dual 1.7 Ghz Xeon. hehe.
Really now, Think "WinTel". The 760MP chipset it
the most stable motherboard, cpu combo I've ever
used.
Title: AMD or Intel?
Post by: CommonSense on 20 December 2001, 08:03: runkpock: That's the new fuckMicrosoft.com webserver, right? ;)
Title: AMD or Intel?
Post by: JoT on 21 December 2001, 03:45: I have a question, would an AMD fit into a motherboard built for PIII or Celerons? (sorry, I don't know a lot about motherboards/processors and therefore don't know precisely what to look for)
Title: AMD or Intel?
Post by: voidmain on 21 December 2001, 04:22: quote:
Originally posted by JoT:
I have a question, would an AMD fit into a motherboard built for PIII or Celerons? (sorry, I don't know a lot about motherboards/processors and therefore don't know precisely what to look for)

Generally not, in fact generally you can't use two different AMD architectures on the same board, or two different Intel architectures on the same board. You need to go to the manufacturers web site and find your board and see what processors that particular board supports, and if the clock speeds are different you'll likely have to at least change the jumpers on the board to match the CPU. Usually if you upgrade you will want to change the CPU, Motherboard, and memory all at the same time. http://www.tomshardware.com/ (http://www.tomshardware.com/) has a lot of CPU/Motherboard info.
Title: AMD or Intel?
Post by: JoT on 21 December 2001, 04:28: o.O
sounds like a lot of trouble to me, I think I'll just stick with my humble little 900 MHz Celeron *scuttles away*
Title: AMD or Intel?
Post by: Louis D on 21 December 2001, 21:37: Dammit VoidMan, I could have actually answered a question for someone, and you beat me to it. :mad:
Title: AMD or Intel?
Post by: voidmain on 21 December 2001, 10:12: quote:
Originally posted by MeatHead:
Dammit VoidMan, I could have actually answered a question for someone, and you beat me to it. :mad:

Ya gotta be quick around here! (-:
Title: AMD or Intel?
Post by: magnuslee21 on 7 January 2002, 17:50: slot type boards are better that socket type partially because of the chip layout itself

first the stand-up slot type gets better airflow around the chip and through the heatsink than a socket type because you cant get air to the back of the chip in a socket

second the standup slot type fans generally face into the airflow inside the case unlike socket type which trys to pull air cross-flow from the main air flow generally a difference of 5 to 10 mhz

amd athlon 1750 paired
fic m11 mainboard
1536 meg pny ddr ram
quantum fireball III 10000rpm 160 gig hd

beat that
Title: AMD or Intel?
Post by: Snoozer on 7 January 2002, 19:21: I've never owned an AMD but isin't there a problem with cooling with them?
I'm not trying to bash them or start anything. I'm just wondering.
Title: AMD or Intel?
Post by: TruBSD on 7 January 2002, 20:12: Yeah, amd chips put out more heat, but they can also stand a lot more heat than intel chips. I got my watercooled 1600+(1400 default) runnin at 1617Mhz, on my KG7 with 512mb of shity samsung ddr(need some kingmax pc2700, then watch this sumbitch smoke anything when i hit 2ghz)I used to be an intel zealot(back in the k6 days when amd made some pretty weeeny chips)But now that i've got one of these bad boys, i'm quite happy with it.
Title: AMD or Intel?
Post by: magnuslee21 on 7 January 2002, 21:36: how did you get the cooling system to work?
ive been thinking of setting one up but all i could think of was running bent tubing around the chip like a radiator and hooking it up to a compressor and running r-134 through the lines but the output isnt worth the effort unless you use lox or liquid nitro

amd athlon 1750 paired
fic m11 mainboard
1536 meg pny ddr ram
quantum fireball III 10000rpm 160 gig hd

beat that :D
Title: AMD or Intel?
Post by: TruBSD on 8 January 2002, 18:49: I just used a radiator, a mag-drive pump, some silicon tubing, water, and water-wetter, and a waterblock that i got from Tom Leufkins. At one point after my first pump failed, i was running a 800gph(@6' lift) in there, made noise but my temps droped by 3 degrees! I eventually put a 450gph magdrive in there(much quiter) And i've been happy at 5 degrees above ambient(gonna get 2 220w pelts soon, -30c is looking like a good number (http://smile.gif) ) But anyway, the water is pumped from the res -> waterblock -> radiater -> back to the res. I'm also gonna try to get a dehumidifier, and modify it's coil to cool my radiator. This setup is a lot quiter, and much cooler than when i was going air-cooled(damn delta fan was driving me nuts!) You just have to be careful when you watercool, and hose clamps are your friend!
Title: AMD or Intel?
Post by: gump420 on 18 January 2002, 01:29: quote:
Originally posted by magnus lee:
slot type boards are better that socket type partially because of the chip layout itself

first the stand-up slot type gets better airflow around the chip and through the heatsink than a socket type because you cant get air to the back of the chip in a socket

second the standup slot type fans generally face into the airflow inside the case unlike socket type which trys to pull air cross-flow from the main air flow generally a difference of 5 to 10 mhz

amd athlon 1750 paired
fic m11 mainboard
1536 meg pny ddr ram
quantum fireball III 10000rpm 160 gig hd

beat that

What you say about the airflow is true; however, slot processors have one major drawback: bus speed between the processor/cache and the rest of the system. AFAIK, this is the reason AMD opted to switch back to a socket architecture.
Title: AMD or Intel?
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Title: AMD or Intel?
Post by: Calum on 25 January 2002, 19:50: The question was AMD or Intel, dicksplash, nobody asked you about microsoft. If i want noise, i'll rattle yr cage.
Title: AMD or Intel?
Post by: geekzaus on 25 January 2002, 20:51: AMD!!! Intel's chips are more expensive and don't do as well in benchmark tests. I work as a computer technician for a major Cable ISP, and work with a great deal of experienced professionals. All of us build machines and all of us use AMD! :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

P.S. Off subject a little: I also use MSI and ABIT motherboards.
Title: AMD or Intel?
Post by: Calum on 26 January 2002, 17:07: I heard that AMD are giving their new chips names which include numbers that are higher than the actual clock speeds. eg, a 1500 Mhz chip will be an "AMD blah-de-blah 1800" Why? Because they say their chips go faster than Intels, at the same clock speed, and the AMD 1500 is capable of outperforming an Intel 1800.
I also heard that in many benchmarks, the Pentium 4 does WORSE than a pentium 3! Of course, in a year or 2 this might not be the case, as programs start to be written specifically for Intel (which is another reason AMD is better, programs aren't even sucking it's dick like they are with Intel!)
Title: AMD or Intel?
Post by: k3it4r0u on 26 January 2002, 18:37: I'd have to go with Intel for only three reasons:

1. I can get P4s from them for dirt-cheap, about 90% off. :D
2. Gotta love MPEG encoding. I don't want to waste money buying another video card to enhance my work with MPEGs when it's already there with the P4.
3. I am an idiot.

[add]
Oh yeah, and here's another reason:
http://www.muropaketti.com/artikkelit/cpu/northwood2200/ln2 (http://www.muropaketti.com/artikkelit/cpu/northwood2200/ln2) :D

[ January 26, 2002: Message edited by: k3it4r0u ]
Title: AMD or Intel?
Post by: Ozymandias on 1 February 2002, 17:04: Sombody needs to do something about that fucking microsoft rules asshole.. It seems that his messages pop up everywhere and are completely pointless...(Kinda like mine) (http://smile.gif) Delete his messages or something!!
Title: AMD or Intel?
Post by: Calum on 1 February 2002, 19:30: yeah! delete his messages! but remember to delete all the ones i posted immediately afterwards saying what a gobshite he is, so i don't look like a dick!