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Title: hey peeps
Post by: -=Q=- on 23 March 2005, 16:15
Hi I'm new here,I found out about this place in another forum.
that page that explains how to delete all the shit that microdick has hidden on my pc,was back in 2000.Will it be in the same places that it says now that its 2005 and up to date with SP2? this shit has got me all flustered...
 
someone please explain? being that I'm a moderator at a few porn sites,I find this very disturbing
thank you
-=Q=-
Title: Re: hey peeps
Post by: Refalm on 23 March 2005, 17:17
Quote from: -=Q=-
Hi I'm new here,I found out about this place in another forum.
that page that explains how to delete all the shit that microdick has hidden on my pc,was back in 2000.Will it be in the same places that it says now that its 2005 and up to date with SP2? this shit has got me all flustered...
 
someone please explain? being that I'm a moderator at a few porn sites,I find this very disturbing
thank you
-=Q=-

The article has been updated in 2001, which was when Windows XP came out.
Although it's written with Windows 98/ME in mind, it can also apply to Windows XP for the most part.

Windows XP SP2 or Windows XP will not make much difference in that perspective.
Title: Re: hey peeps
Post by: adiment on 23 March 2005, 23:24
word up.

oh yeah, and welcome to teh forums
Title: Re: hey peeps
Post by: MrX on 24 March 2005, 00:06
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Mr X
Title: Re: hey peeps
Post by: -=Q=- on 24 March 2005, 01:45
Quote from: Refalm
The article has been updated in 2001, which was when Windows XP came out.
Although it's written with Windows 98/ME in mind, it can also apply to Windows XP for the most part.
 
Windows XP SP2 or Windows XP will not make much difference in that perspective.

  Thank you for the response I appreciate it 100%
Title: Re: hey peeps
Post by: Stilly on 24 March 2005, 01:59
moderator of a porn site eh?

your presence here is most welcome
Title: Re: hey peeps
Post by: muzzy on 24 March 2005, 05:00
And how about data that gets swapped out, and placed into a swapfile? Or any other temporary files that get written to disk. The data is still there and you won't know if it's recoverable. If you really need to keep stuff on your personal computer secret, you need to encrypt your whole damn system.

There are third party tools for encryption, but unfortunately booting from encrypted drives tends to be an issue with them. Commercial solutions are available which make this possible, or depending on what you do with your system, you could just have a bootable windows livecd and then have all drives encrypted. Nothing gets stored on the cd and everything'll work fine. There are obvious limitations to this approach, such as difficulty of installing new software. Someone should really research what would happen if all registry hives were to be remounted after boot, to replace the boottime read-only registry with one stored on the encrypted disk.

Either way, full disk encryption is the only way to ensure no data leaks out, and even then some encryption implementations have weaknesses. For example, truecrypt is vulnerable to watermarking attacks, certain specially crafted watermarks can be detected through the encryption layer. That might be really nasty in some cases, but it cannot be used to detect just anything. The data needs to have a certain very special pattern.

As for just removing the data from the system, I wouldn't completely trust it.

PS. Are you feeling guilty about moderating a porn site and don't want your family to find out or what's the deal? Or is the porn so bad quality that you'd be ashamed if someone found out? :)
Title: Re: hey peeps
Post by: WMD on 24 March 2005, 06:29
I doubt he's concerned enough about it to encrypt his hard drive.  The "IE hidden files" are a LOT easier to find, and thus require less motivation to discover.  This, he's probably concerned about.
Title: Re: hey peeps
Post by: jtpenrod on 24 March 2005, 11:22
And how about data that gets swapped out, and placed into a swapfile? Or any other temporary files that get written to disk. The data is still there and you won't know if it's recoverable. If you really need to keep stuff on your personal computer secret, you need to encrypt your whole damn system.

No, Muzzy, that isn't the point. These so-called "secret" files never expire. The damn things just keep growing and growing, taking up considerable HD space. I once saw a Win 95 install that had over 100MB's worth of this crap, going back some five years. :eek:  That's just plain rediculous, and indicative of bad programming.

There is no excuse for that.  :p
Title: Re: hey peeps
Post by: -=Q=- on 24 March 2005, 13:27
thanks for the replys again
 
   muzzy I read your thread and my head exploded [lol] thats gettin to crazy
but I appreciate your efforts.
 
  I am not ashamed at the position I hold there,and for now my pc is password
protected from family members,they won't be able to get in,but someone with extensive knowledge could get in.
   WMD -  that is exactly what i  want to do  I tried shortly to search for the files with the dos mode through windows with out rebooting ( using XP)   it said there is no such file  lol  I did not try any further than that so far.
 
    I don't use the PC at the office for this shit at all its only at home never did not even once. its just that I like to be in control over my PC and the shit thats in it.
   thanks for replying fellas
    I have a password list to get into porn sites that was cracked with access diver.I would like to post them to show my appreciation :):thumbup: thats if its  OK
no hot links
Title: Re: hey peeps
Post by: muzzy on 24 March 2005, 14:00
No DOS for windows XP. The filesystem is NTFS and you can't access it from dos without special tools. What you were likely doing was using the command prompt, which has very little to do with dos.

You could check out C:\Documents and Settings\youruser\ or similar, and then do something like, "dir /s index.dat" to find things of interest.
Title: Re: hey peeps
Post by: Refalm on 24 March 2005, 14:21
Quote from: -=Q=-
I have a password list to get into porn sites that was cracked with access diver.I would like to post them to show my appreciation :):thumbup: thats if its  OK
no hot links

I'm the secondary administrator on this forum.
You will not do such a thing. If people want that kind of stuff they can either IM, PM or e-mail you.
Title: Re: hey peeps
Post by: MrX on 24 March 2005, 16:39
Quote from: -=Q=-
thanks for the replys again
 
   muzzy I read your thread and my head exploded [lol] thats gettin to crazy
but I appreciate your efforts.
 
  I am not ashamed at the position I hold there,and for now my pc is password
protected from family members,they won't be able to get in,but someone with extensive knowledge could get in.


haha, nice penis joke.
so you are trying to hide shit on your computer lets hope that you never let me get my hands on it, because i can have your case busted all over the walls. [for example, if you were using SHITTY IE i can probe it find all the sites you went to, urls, cache, movies open, outlook express emails, hotmail emails the works.]

Mr X
Title: Re: hey peeps
Post by: -=Q=- on 24 March 2005, 17:09
Quote from: Refalm
I'm the secondary administrator on this forum.
You will not do such a thing. If people want that kind of stuff they can either IM, PM or e-mail you.

thats why i did not...I know......
well it was nice chattin with you all,but I don't need peeps like mrx handin me that kind of crap,grow up my friend,you wouldn't get within 100 yds,with out me puttin a bullet in your skull,so we'll leave it at that I will not be back here.
thank you
 
ps thanks muzzy
Title: Re: hey peeps
Post by: Refalm on 24 March 2005, 17:35
Quote from: -=Q=-
thats why i did not...I know......
well it was nice chattin with you all,but I don't need peeps like mrx handin me that kind of crap,grow up my friend,you wouldn't get within 100 yds,with out me puttin a bullet in your skull,so we'll leave it at that I will not be back here.
thank you
 
ps thanks muzzy

Wow, too bad you're leaving already :(
Title: Re: hey peeps
Post by: KernelPanic on 24 March 2005, 23:53
I love how MrX thinks he's straight out of CSI :)
Title: Re: hey peeps
Post by: MrX on 25 March 2005, 01:30
get a sense of humour or go to hell.

Mr X
Title: Re: hey peeps
Post by: Kintaro on 25 March 2005, 03:33
I suggest you conceal your identity by throwing your computer on the fire.

Who gives a fuck if you mod a pron site? Its not fucking illegal, is it?

I myself run linux and have a badass cryptoloop to conceal documents that may be incriminating.
Title: Re: hey peeps
Post by: Kintaro on 25 March 2005, 03:35
Quote from: -=Q=-
thats why i did not...I know......
well it was nice chattin with you all,but I don't need peeps like mrx handin me that kind of crap,grow up my friend,you wouldn't get within 100 yds,with out me puttin a bullet in your skull,so we'll leave it at that I will not be back here.
thank you
 
ps thanks muzzy

 Uhm, Firefox stores a history and other shit as well, whats the difference really?

If you want to fucking hide shit, use crypto, its probably the best solution there is.
Title: Re: hey peeps
Post by: MrX on 28 March 2005, 17:55
Opera is the best browser to use if you want to conceal shit you were looking at.

http://www.opera.com

Mr X :beos:  :beos:
Title: Re: hey peeps
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 28 March 2005, 20:00
All browsers store information in a cache to make them run faster, even if you disable the cache there's still the virtual memory on you hard disc. To stop shit being stored you will need to run a very light OS or install loads of memory and disable the virtual memory.
Title: Re: hey peeps
Post by: Refalm on 28 March 2005, 21:35
Quote from: Aloone_Jonez
All browsers store information in a cache to make them run faster, even if you disable the cache there's still the virtual memory on you hard disc. To stop shit being stored you will need to run a very light OS or install loads of memory and disable the virtual memory.

The difference between Internet Explorer and real browsers (Firefox, Opera, K-Meleon, Mozilla) is that when you remove the cache in Internet Explorer, you can't be certain it's really removed.

I believe you can be in other browsers.
Title: Re: hey peeps
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 29 March 2005, 00:28
I know that, but even if you delete your FireFox or Opera cache you still have the data left on the disk surface, and even if you set it to not use a cache you still have the virtual memory too. The only way to avoid this is to disable both virtual memory and the browser cache. But I agree at least the other browsers bother to delete the files properly.
Title: Re: hey peeps
Post by: KernelPanic on 29 March 2005, 01:29
I wonder if could do your swap on cryptoloop?
I guess not since the crypto API would not be usable at boot time. You would have to set up a script to initialise crypto, and then do 'swapon'.
This is something I may have to try on of my machines, just for the sake of trying... :D
Title: Re: hey peeps
Post by: muzzy on 29 March 2005, 02:25
you can have swap on cryptoloop, just good luck having enough randomness at boot time to actually have it secure, too.
Title: Re: hey peeps
Post by: Kintaro on 29 March 2005, 15:49
just mount it later, anyway... anyone running swap on a cryptoloop would be a moron, dm-crypt has fucking heaps better proformance, I really should utilise it myself but then I just use my cryptoloop for weird shit.