Stop Microsoft
Operating Systems => macOS => Topic started by: mobrien_12 on 19 December 2005, 06:46
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http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/05/12/18/227225.shtml?tid=113&tid=3
Maybe now we'll see more websites that are standards compliant.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4542750.stm
yes indeed. the bbc article i mention above says 10% of websites don't work properly with firefox, essentially pointing out that those sites are non IE compliant. In my opinion, this will simply mean IE specific sites get less visitors, so there will end up being less IE specific sites.
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I can't remember the last time I saw an Active X control apart on a website from Windows update or one of those dodgy online spy/adware scanners of course.
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IE for Mac is so bad, they probably want to cancel it out of embarassment. I know I would. It doesn't even work with MS's own websites sometimes!
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Finally Microsoft does something good for the world.
It only had about 80% marketshare on the Mac since Netscape died...
Safari truly murdered it, and Firefox finished the job off.
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I can't remember the last time I saw an Active X control apart on a website from Windows update or one of those dodgy online spy/adware scanners of course.
ActiveX is not the only problem IE has. Support for CSS1, CSS2, and even XML has been dodgy in IE since it was first released. And the Mac version of IE has always been somewhat different than the Windows version, with the same page rendering differently on either platform.
So that's 3 major OS classes (OSX, Linux, BSD) that are IE free. Who is next?
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Windows - one can only hope.
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Windows - one can only hope.
Yeah, I hope IE7 spells the end for IE. :p
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Wasn't IE for the Mac made by a completely different team at MS, and was actually standards-compliant with a lot of things, Like CSS1, HTML4, PNG1, and a few others?
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Finally Microsoft does something good for the world.
It only had about 80% marketshare on the Mac since Netscape died...
Safari truly murdered it, and Firefox finished the job off.
Safari didn't need any help pwnzorzing IE.
And technically, OSX is part of the BSD family.
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Safari didn't need any help pwnzorzing IE.
Yea well, Apple didn't do it alone. They had the help of KHTML (from the Konqueror people. Nothing to do with Firefox, I know.).
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Wasn't IE for the Mac made by a completely different team at MS, and was actually standards-compliant with a lot of things, Like CSS1, HTML4, PNG1, and a few others?
Supposedly, yes. But at this point, it doesn't render a lot of pages very well, from 5 years of neglect. It's also pretty slow.
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Wasn't IE for the Mac made by a completely different team at MS, and was actually standards-compliant with a lot of things, Like CSS1, HTML4, PNG1, and a few others?
That may be true. But both Mac and Win IE's CSS2 implementations were ghastly. And different. Which caused a lot of troubles, allowing Safari to sweep in and save the day.
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Forget 'em all. There's Shiira. Take Safari and make it better and you have Shiira.
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Hmmm, I prefer Safari. Shiira just seems to be a bit wierd.
If you want something cool, try the WebKit nightly builds on nightly.webkit.org. They're occasionally unstable, or defective, but nowehre near as bad as IE.
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Problem is, if IE no longer exists for the Mac, then the massive amounts of broken browser detectors might actually do some serious harm for the Mac.
Think.
Which is going to win: the broken detectors/composers pushed on us by Microshit, or the standards-complient browsers that won't render broken pages?
I've heard rumors that Microshit is deliberately making the web composition programs and browser-detection scripts work only in IE.
This could either kill IE or the Mac. Smart money is on Microshit. Honorable moneys on the Mac.
I think I'll be smart on this one.
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The mac has run just fine without IE, and will run fine after. IE for the Mac is rarely used, unless you're running OS 8.1. Even MS recommends you use Safari.
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Problem is, if IE no longer exists for the Mac, then the massive amounts of broken browser detectors might actually do some serious harm for the Mac.
Uh, that doesn't make much sense. Since browser detectors run by ID rather than OS. What kind of fuckhead would detect browsers based on OS? What would the point of that be? Safari, as far as I know, announces itself as Safari. Mozilla announces itself as Gecko (I think Opera does as well). IE announces itself as IE, or Gecko, depending on how the detector works. Each announcement comes with a version identifier. A browser detector could use a simple JavaScript to determine whether the browser was IE Mac or IE Windows. And any mods made for IE Mac would be ignored anyway, since nobody would be using it anymore.
It seems to me like dropping IE Mac support was a smart move, designed to get out of a losing market (a bottomless pit, thanks to Safari), and save a little money for the warchest. There hasn't been a new version in years anyway, I think they pretty much gave up on it a long time ago, and are simply making it official.
Now, when Microsoft uses all it's .net C# and J# bullshit to refuck the web and turn it to evil, then they might start gunning for browsers AND platforms. If that ever happens, then we'll be fucked.
Or am I the idiot who isn't thinking clearly here?
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Opera can announce itself as IE, Opera, or Mozilla (Gecko) ... I set mine to IE ... it looks kinda strange for the danasoft signatures .... it says I'm running IE on Linux ... nah just Opera identifying itself as IE :D
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Opera can announce itself as IE, Opera, or Mozilla (Gecko) ... I set mine to IE ... it looks kinda strange for the danasoft signatures .... it says I'm running IE on Linux ... nah just Opera identifying itself as IE :D
You shouldn't do that. If you like Opera, you should be proud of it. And you should let Opera have a fair idea about how many people are actually using it. Perhaps if more people were honest about what browser they were using, the numbers in favor of IE wouldn't look so damn daunting. Besides, when you identify as IE, the site will run broken-ass code for you because your browser can handle it. By identifying as IE, you are telling these half-assed designers that using bullshit code is okay. Which any web professional knows - it is not okay. So be honest. Be proud that you are using Opera.
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If you say so I will ... I rarely use it though ... like when there is a page Firefox can't handle I switch to Opera ... I'm a Firefox fan so most of the time (98 %) my browser (Firefox) is reporting Mozilla/Gecko :D ... but I'll switch the Opera identity to Opera like you say :thumbup:
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Shit I've currently got Opera set to IE, I think it's the default setting which is pretty retarded.
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Shit I've currently got Opera set to IE, I think it's the default setting which is pretty retarded.
They do that because some sites used to (and still do?) ONLY serve the webpage if you have IE.
I haven't seen any of these sites in the last 2 years though