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Title: Determining my ISP's IP address
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 27 August 2004, 03:11
How do I determine the IP address of my ISP (ntlworld) in Windows XP?

Windows is currently set up to connect to the Internet and I want to set up Vector Linux too.

I have looked at the Internet connection settings in control panel but to no avail.
Title: Determining my ISP's IP address
Post by: flap on 27 August 2004, 03:14
Why do you need their IP address?
Title: Determining my ISP's IP address
Post by: bedouin on 27 August 2004, 03:51
Type ipconfig from the command line.  It will list all your network devices and their IPs.  Though, I don't know why you need it unless you have a static IP or your ISP doesn't support DHCP.
Title: Determining my ISP's IP address
Post by: flap on 27 August 2004, 04:02
ntlworld does support dhcp.
Title: Determining my ISP's IP address
Post by: Canadian Lover on 27 August 2004, 04:24
Try opening a Command prompt and type "ping localhost" and press enter.
Title: Determining my ISP's IP address
Post by: flap on 27 August 2004, 04:39
quote:
Originally posted by Canadian Lover:
Try opening a Command prompt and type "ping localhost" and press enter.


No, don't do that.
Title: Determining my ISP's IP address
Post by: Canadian Lover on 27 August 2004, 04:41
quote:
Originally posted by flap:


No, don't do that.


Uhh, why?
Title: Determining my ISP's IP address
Post by: flap on 27 August 2004, 04:56
Try doing what you've just suggested and see if you can work it out.

[ August 26, 2004: Message edited by: flap ]

Title: Determining my ISP's IP address
Post by: Canadian Lover on 27 August 2004, 05:05
quote:
Originally posted by flap:
Try doing what you've just suggested and see if you can work it out.

[ August 26, 2004: Message edited by: flap ]



Yea, I get my isp's ip address.
Title: Determining my ISP's IP address
Post by: flap on 27 August 2004, 05:37
Is this in Windows? Why does it do that?
Title: Determining my ISP's IP address
Post by: Canadian Lover on 27 August 2004, 05:40
quote:
Originally posted by flap:
Is this in Windows? Why does it do that?


Dunno. Yes it's in windows.
Title: Determining my ISP's IP address
Post by: WMD on 27 August 2004, 21:08
Easy way:

www.danasoft.com/vipersig.jpg (http://www.danasoft.com/vipersig.jpg)

Tada!  ;)

Now, dial-up modems set their IPs automatically, so I doubt you actually need this.
Title: Determining my ISP's IP address
Post by: flap on 27 August 2004, 15:12
quote:
Originally posted by WMD:
Easy way:

www.danasoft.com/vipersig.jpg (http://www.danasoft.com/vipersig.jpg)



That won't necessarily work. It may give you the address of your ISP's cache server.
Title: Determining my ISP's IP address
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 27 August 2004, 21:13
Thank you all for your help on the matter.

I don't know why I need my ISP's IP address, Vector Linux just asked me for it when I set up the Internet.

Each method that you gave me produced a different result.

I would imagine that one might be my address the other could be my ISPs and one could be the ISP's cache server.

What's dhcp?

Do you think I made a mistake some where ealier on  in the set up of my Internet connection?

Anyway, I'm going to try them all and if it dosn't work I will reinstall

[ August 27, 2004: Message edited by: Aloone ]

Title: Determining my ISP's IP address
Post by: flap on 27 August 2004, 21:38
DHCP is used to automatically set your machine's IP address. NTL definitely uses it so you don't need to supply an IP address yourself. If it's asking for a static IP address it should have an option to just leave it blank and use DHCP instead.
Title: Determining my ISP's IP address
Post by: WMD on 28 August 2004, 01:05
Aloone, if you're using dialup, you only need to set it to "loopback only".  Oh wait, that's Slackware...if it's asking you this for a ppp connection, use DHCP.
Title: Determining my ISP's IP address
Post by: solarismka on 12 September 2004, 02:17
just use my sig at the bottem.  It should refelct your ip address.  Great use for debuging.
Title: Determining my ISP's IP address
Post by: WMD on 12 September 2004, 02:54
Read mine and flap's post further up.  I posted that  image, and flap said it won't always work.  ;)
Title: Determining my ISP's IP address
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 12 September 2004, 20:35
quote:
It should refelct your ip address.


I know my IP address, I wanted my ISP's.

I tried all of the sugestions above but none of them worked. I think I am having problems with my winmodem, it's strange my PCTEL modem was listed by the setup program but it still dosn't work. Oh well back to Windows for now  :( . I've been busy recently so I've not be able to post or mess around with Linux as much as I would like to.

I've found a driver: http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/pctel-linux/welcome.html (http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/pctel-linux/welcome.html)

But wtf don't you have to recompile the kernel to install this driver?

And how the fuck do you do that?

I don't want to upset any one here but doesn't this sound a just a little bit retarded?
With all the OS's I have used before (Windows, DOS, Risc OS, Mac OS) installing a driver manually just meant copying the files to the appropriate directory and editing the necessary configuration files, not recompiling the sod-arse kernel!

And what if I install the wrong driver?
Will it break my Linux system?
Then if it does fuck up will I have to reinstall?
I don't want to do that as I will loose all the settings?
Perhaps I should just buy a decent modem.
Title: Determining my ISP's IP address
Post by: flap on 12 September 2004, 22:25
Trust me, you don't need your ISP's ip address. You would need to know your own address if you were using a static ip, but since you're with NTL I can guarantee you use DHCP.

No you don't have to recompile your kernel to install that driver. And, no, you can't do any damage to your system by installing the wrong driver.
Title: Determining my ISP's IP address
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 12 September 2004, 23:04
quote:
Originally posted by flap:
Trust me, you don't need your ISP's ip address. You would need to know your own address if you were using a static ip, but since you're with NTL I can guarantee you use DHCP.



The Vector Linux setup program didn't give an option to use DHCP, it said something a about PAP and CHAP or similar but nothing about DHCP.

 
quote:
Originally posted by flap:
No you don't have to recompile your kernel to install that driver.

How come when I tried to install it on Redhat 9 the installation script asked me to install the kernel source?

 
quote:
Originally posted by flap:
And, no, you can't do any damage to your system by installing the wrong driver.


When I finally got it to install an error occurred and my system was never the same since I kept on getting kernel panics and all sorts of shit, it was more unstable than Windows 95, in true Windows style i reinstalled and all was well.
Title: Determining my ISP's IP address
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 12 September 2004, 23:06
Oh sorry for rambleing on I shoud have asked this obvious question long ago.

How do you install this driver?

oh and by the way, thank you all for your help support. (http://smile.gif)

[ September 12, 2004: Message edited by: Aloone ]

Title: Determining my ISP's IP address
Post by: flap on 12 September 2004, 23:26
quote:
The Vector Linux setup program didn't give an option to use DHCP, it said something a about PAP and CHAP or similar but nothing about DHCP.


Well if the setup is asking for an IP address just leave it blank.

 
quote:
How come when I tried to install it on Redhat 9 the installation script asked me to install the kernel source?


Yes, you have to install the source. You don't have to compile it though.

 
quote:
When I finally got it to install an error occurred and my system was never the same since I kept on getting kernel panics and all sorts of shit, it was more unstable than Windows 95, in true Windows style i reinstalled and all was well.


Just installing a module has no effect in itself; the module has to be loaded. If the driver causes a problem you can just disable whatever's loading it.

 
quote:
How do you install this driver?


Have you tried following the instructions?
Title: Determining my ISP's IP address
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 12 September 2004, 23:44
quote:
Originally posted by flap:


Have you tried following the instructions?



I did RTFM when I installed the driver before and it didn't help - but then I may have just been unlucky.
Title: Determining my ISP's IP address
Post by: flap on 13 September 2004, 00:09
Well you'll have to be a bit more specific about what the problem you're having is. Just try following the instructions and ask again when you get stuck.
Title: Determining my ISP's IP address
Post by: WMD on 13 September 2004, 03:07
quote:
The Vector Linux setup program didn't give an option to use DHCP, it said something a about PAP and CHAP or similar but nothing about DHCP.

PAP, totally.
Title: Determining my ISP's IP address
Post by: Aloone_Jonez on 21 September 2004, 03:11
I ran the installation script only to get the following message:

 
quote:
checking for running kernel version...** error
your kernel version is: 2.6.7
this package supports only 2.4.x kernels.
** compilation error


Anyway why do I need the the kernel source if it dosn't recompile the kernel?
Title: Determining my ISP's IP address
Post by: flap on 21 September 2004, 03:43
Looks like you can't use it then.

You need the kernel header files so you can compile the driver against them.