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Miscellaneous => Intellectual Property & Law => Topic started by: Xeen on 29 February 2004, 10:11

Title: How's this idea?
Post by: Xeen on 29 February 2004, 10:11: A new idea has been introduced to try to get P2P users to pay a small flat fee in exchange for legally being allowed to share and download other sharer's music. The fee would be voluntary and would directly to the artists.

Some musicians have been asked about this and they think it's a good idea, and a few have said they encourage sharing anyway. The RIAA however is firmly against this idea.

http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,62434,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1 (http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,62434,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1)
Title: How's this idea?
Post by: mobrien_12 on 1 March 2004, 05:33: The RIAA and the MPAA will be vehemently against anything that reduces their level of control over content.
Title: How's this idea?
Post by: restin256 on 1 March 2004, 08:43: I think most if not all artists should go indie. People who make music for the fun of it or for other people shouldn't exactly demand money from people, you'll find that SuSE makes more than Lindows because they ask for money and not demand it.
Title: How's this idea?
Post by: Xeen on 1 March 2004, 21:21: quote:
Originally posted by restin256:
I think most if not all artists should go indie. People who make music for the fun of it or for other people shouldn't exactly demand money from people, you'll find that SuSE makes more than Lindows because they ask for money and not demand it.

Might also be because Lindows is kinda crappy.
Title: How's this idea?
Post by: restin256 on 1 March 2004, 11:00: Yeah, but from users I've heard it's n00b-friendly (that is, if you have your credit card on hand).
Title: How's this idea?
Post by: WMD on 2 March 2004, 01:29: This article is proof that DRM is about control, not protection. Now I'd like to hear Jimmy James speak about this one (http://tongue.gif)
Title: How's this idea?
Post by: hm_murdock on 2 March 2004, 22:39: CONTROL KICKS ASS

Protection is about control. Imagine that. By having some level of control in there, you protect your interests.

WOW, WHAT A CONCEPT

I don't like the RIAA, I think their bullshit is just that, bullshit. They're on a campaign of propaganda, which is just now starting to grow thin on the public and in Washington. Many legislators are coming to hate the DMCA, and gods know the Supreme Court has.

The DMCA is heading for some changes.

But, I can, in fact, say with some certainty that the RIAA has the *right intentions*. They *perceive a threat* to their business. And what does business exist for?

We'll go to our studio audience for the answer.

"Yeah, Jimmy. My name is Bob, and I'm from Kenosha, WI. Would 'profit' be the correct answer?"

YES IT WOULD BOB FROM KENOSHA!

The RIAA though, is unlike most business, completely over the line in their pursuit of said profits. It's the RIAA and similar "new capitalists" who give business a bad name.

They see business as the end, not a means.

Please note that all that I have said is the truth.
Title: How's this idea?
Post by: flap on 2 March 2004, 23:00: I don't see what your objection to the RIAA is. How have they gone over the line, in your opinion?
Title: How's this idea?
Post by: hm_murdock on 2 March 2004, 23:24: TEHY SOO TEH POEPUL WHOO BY TEH MUSAEK ANED GIEVE THEM TEH MONAY!!!!!!!111LLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Title: How's this idea?
Post by: flap on 2 March 2004, 23:35: Aren't they just protecting their interests? If you think illegally downloaders are wrong, then why do you object to their being sued?
Title: How's this idea?
Post by: hm_murdock on 2 March 2004, 23:53: NEVER TREAT YOUR CUSTOMER LIKE THE ENEMY

larn abuot teh biznuss, yuo giye!!!!11111llololololololol
Title: How's this idea?
Post by: flap on 3 March 2004, 00:03: So if a bank's customer robs them, they should just be let off? I don't understand how you can view illegal downloading as being stealing but then not agree with people being prosecuted. And why are you convinced that people who download also buy cds?
Title: How's this idea?
Post by: hm_murdock on 3 March 2004, 00:43: All people are "customers" unless you have a physical retail location. If you're a large company with products to sell, then everybody is a customer.

The simple fact is I'd like to see the RIAA fail and be torn asunder. As a musician, I see them as the absolute enemy to me and my dream. They would love nothing more than to steal my work, sell it as their own, and pay me a pittance in return. The RIAA is anti-music.

I'm not anti-business, but the RIAA is against me and my ambition, therefore, their demise is favorable. I would watch in giddy ecstasy as they fell into ruin, the false pretences torn down, and the truth of their villainy and malice exposed.

In the event that nobody's noticed, I'm an arrogant, rude, hate-filled and spiteful asshole who loves to see those who stand in my way FAIL.

The failure of others is the easiest, quickest, and most assured way to the top.

edit: I have no need to explain myself to the likes of you.

[ March 02, 2004: Message edited by: jimmyjames.sytes.net ]
Title: How's this idea?
Post by: flap on 3 March 2004, 00:53: But the RIAA are suing the fans, not the musicians. Assuming that you think control and copy-restriction are "protecting" the artists, then aren't the RIAA acting in their interests by prosecuting those who "steal" from them?
Title: How's this idea?
Post by: hm_murdock on 3 March 2004, 01:10: You have no capacity for logic. Go back to school and ask them to teach you about "problem solving", and "how to not be a dipshit".

The point is that the RIAA's ideas go beyond making profit. Their actions show that they view their own existance as the end.

Let me explain it for you, shall I? No objections? Good.

Now, business is, simply put, methods by which you acquire profit. You may produce your own goods, or provide your own service, but when dealing with the payment, and the way you go about finding customers, and dealing with them is business.

The end result is that you have something that you didn't have before.

Do you know what that is?

Money.

The methods by which you got it including, providing a good or service, and carrying out a transaction (you perform the service, or deliver the good, in exchange for payment) are business.

The RIAA, however, obviously views business as the END, and not the MEANS by which profit is achieved. Musicians be damned, customers be damned, WE ARE BUSINESS, RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.

They've made claims before about how they'll stop selling music. I find that hilarious. HOW WILL THEY MAKE PROFITS? They stop selling music. This means, no celebrities that will endorse them. No personalities means no memorabilia to sell. No celebrities recording music means no royalties to collect because nobody is wanting to use the music for things.

Guess what happens then? The musicians sell their stuff on their own, AND EVERYBODY WINS EXCEPT THE RIAA.

Well, I guess in their own mind, they win, because now nobody is stealing their music, as they no longer sell any. CHALK UP ANOTHER GREAT VICTORY FOR BUSINESS!

Please note that this is the truth.
Title: How's this idea?
Post by: flap on 3 March 2004, 01:52: quote:
The point is that the RIAA's ideas go beyond making profit. Their actions show that they view their own existance as the end.

I don't really understand what you're trying to say. Are you suggesting that the RIAA behaves unethically because (like any other business) profit is its only objective? But is that not its prerogative as a copyright holder, according to your thinking?

If you support the right of a copyright holder to exercise control over how their work is distributed, and you feel illegal distribution is unethical, how can you have a problem with the copyright holders taking action against those "stealing" from them? How would you feel if an independent artist was suing his fans for downloading?

[ March 02, 2004: Message edited by: flap ]
Title: How's this idea?
Post by: hm_murdock on 3 March 2004, 01:58: You're a moron, flap. I've explained it fully now. Piss off back to your world of little understanding.
Title: How's this idea?
Post by: Laukev7 on 3 March 2004, 07:59: Jimmy James seems to be saying that the RIAA is about power, not money (ie they're more interested in controlling the music market than making profit).
Title: How's this idea?
Post by: flap on 3 March 2004, 19:20: The RIAA is only interested in controlling the market because it increases their profitability. Power in itself means nothing to a corporate entity. It's simply a means to profit, and making profit is a company's sole raison d'etre.
Title: How's this idea?
Post by: hm_murdock on 3 March 2004, 20:39: Thank you, Laukev.

Flap, you can quit now. You're just making yourself look like a moron. You're arguing just to argue with me. You've never agreed with me... on anything. I don't take it personally, you simply don't.

But this time, it really just seems as though you're arguing just to be an ass.
Title: How's this idea?
Post by: WMD on 4 March 2004, 00:48: quote:
[qb]Guess what happens then? The musicians sell their stuff on their own, AND EVERYBODY WINS EXCEPT THE RIAA.

Now this, this I wouldn't mind. (http://smile.gif) My big problem is contributing to the RIAA, not the artists.
Title: How's this idea?
Post by: Kintaro on 9 March 2004, 10:18: quote:
Originally posted by xeen:
A new idea has been introduced to try to get P2P users to pay a small flat fee in exchange for legally being allowed to share and download other sharer's music. The fee would be voluntary and would directly to the artists.

Some musicians have been asked about this and they think it's a good idea, and a few have said they encourage sharing anyway. The RIAA however is firmly against this idea.

http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,62434,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1 (http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,62434,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1)

So now I pay money to break the law.

Fuck that.

Id just use iTunes before I surrender to that idea.
Title: How's this idea?
Post by: WMD on 10 March 2004, 02:23: ^ But you'd be paying to MAKE it legal...
Title: How's this idea?
Post by: Annorax on 10 March 2004, 02:42: quote:
Originally posted by WMD:
^ But you'd be paying to MAKE it legal...

Not really. They'd start the program just as a way of tracking "pirates", then conveniently forget to grant licenses for the downloaded music and sue everyone who pays the five bucks.
Title: How's this idea?
Post by: Xeen on 10 March 2004, 03:05: (http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources/RIAA.jpg)
Title: How's this idea?
Post by: WMD on 10 March 2004, 05:13: :D