Stop Microsoft
Miscellaneous => The Lounge => Topic started by: smokey on 1 December 2002, 15:49
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I have decided (rather quickly) that using excessive ammounts of aquired software is not good for the developers or very rewarding for me so I am going to DELETE all my non-legitimately owned software tomorrow. This includes all M$ apps and several games, PSP, Photoshop, Dreamweave, etc...
I have decided that I want to be legitimate about what I use on my PC.
Comments are very welcome!
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Yes !
I'm gonna buy Quake II soon (for e4,95 :D ) and I'm still looking for Quake I ...
Exept for Q1, all my stuff is legal, even my fubar win95 copy ... :rolleyes:
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If I was forced to use a legitimate M$ product that I owned I would have to find my m$-dos 6.22 disks because that is the LAST m$ product I bought (and coincidentally the first)
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The only difference between 'legitimate' and 'illegitimate' proprietary software is that with the former you're *paying* for the privilege of having your rights restricted.
Unfortunately propaganda has made people think it's wrong to share software and hence they feel guilty for it.
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Ever heard of the Abondonware campaign? I can
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I believe abandonware wont ever be embraced by M$... after all, they bend you over the table and shove newer versions of their stinking piles of horseshit directly up your ass... and as for the last legitimate M$ product I bought, and the only one... Pinball Arcade ;)
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Im totally against pirated software, especially since I am a programmer. However I believe in "so-called" music piracy. Sharing mp3's is like recording a song off the radio. No one should be punished for it.
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Originally posted by smokey mcp0t / b0b is for the weak:
I have decided (rather quickly) that using excessive ammounts of aquired software is not good for the developers or very rewarding for me so I am going to DELETE all my non-legitimately owned software tomorrow. This includes all M$ apps and several games, PSP, Photoshop, Dreamweave, etc...
I have decided that I want to be legitimate about what I use on my PC.
Comments are very welcome!
DON'T DELETE IT!!! Save it on a disk and if you're not going to use it at all, sell it on ebay and buy drugs.
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Originally posted by Macman: Mac Commando:
DON'T DELETE IT!!! Save it on a disk and if you're not going to use it at all, sell it on ebay and buy drugs.
Its burned on CD also, just deleting the installed bits...
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Originally posted by ThePreacher:
Im totally against pirated software, especially since I am a programmer. However I believe in "so-called" music piracy. Sharing mp3's is like recording a song off the radio. No one should be punished for it.
So why should they be punished for copying software?
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I often think that some major windowed software developers/vendors do not mind file sharing and or installing, copying pirated software etc.
Look at the exposure, usage, acceptance and at little or no cost to the company. With the exception of lost revenue, the company has not suffered
If the product/app if 'window dressed' and marketed effectively, it becomes standard practice.
A creature of habit has the potential to become a 'law' abiding paying customer.
A creature of habit with no choice or little knowledge becomes snared and enslaved to the companies products and services.
I am in the lenghty and often messy process of deleting non-legal software off all my (5+)pc's.
I am purchasing/evaluating other more realisticly priced alternatives, essential for my 'wintrenched' working/developing/playing desktop.
If you can read this quicker than your system boots up, you are on the path.
Mandrake Linux is looking good as the replacement 'operating system' for 3 pc's
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you're exactly correct, this is why pirating software doesnt in any way make you a "rebel" against microsoft. It just helps them if you pirate windows because your helping them get their product to the masses and are promoting them even more if you pirate windows or MS software.
and i recommend RedHat 8.0 for you wb111
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Originally posted by The Master of Reality / B0B:
you're exactly correct, this is why pirating software doesnt in any way make you a "rebel" against microsoft. It just helps them if you pirate windows because your helping them get their product to the masses and are promoting them even more if you pirate windows or MS software.
and i recommend RedHat 8.0 for you wb111
That's EXACTLY the point! Well said MoR!
[ December 01, 2002: Message edited by: Panos: Mac Commando ]
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By the way, if you really like those programs (I do), try getting a student discount. It saved me kaboodles of money.
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Originally posted by smokey mcp0t / b0b is for the weak:
I have decided (rather quickly) that using excessive ammounts of aquired software is not good for the developers or very rewarding for me so I am going to DELETE all my non-legitimately owned software tomorrow. This includes all M$ apps and several games, PSP, Photoshop, Dreamweave, etc...
I have decided that I want to be legitimate about what I use on my PC.
Comments are very welcome!
Yea, i have a comment... Give up Windows!!!
Make sure you do, because Microsoft copyed it, and its ripping off apple and Xerox. ITS NOT LEGITIMANT
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Originally posted by The Rev. Annorax:
I believe abandonware wont ever be embraced by M$... after all, they bend you over the table and shove newer versions of their stinking piles of horseshit directly up your ass... and as for the last legitimate M$ product I bought, and the only one... Pinball Arcade ;)
Nice sig!!!
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I don't have any pirated software. The only software I have that isn't free is games, all of which I've paid for. I do have a couple of mp3s that I didn't pay for. I don't really understand what is legal and what isn't legal about mp3s.
I didn't get them from a file sharing program, I got them from an FTP site. I guess thats still illegal. But how about if I start listening to the radio, and wait until the song comes up, then copy it. That would be legal, right. I could use streamripper to get it from an Internet radio station if one played it. That would be legal as well. Come to think of it, I could set up icecast, and broadcast it, then rip it from my own broadcast to obtain a legal copy, and then delete the illegitimate copys. That would be legal right?
Gotta love loopholes in the law.
V
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Originally posted by flap:
So why should they be punished for copying software?
because you can't get it off the radio (or television or other public network)
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Its not about the law, but about the people who go to work to make the music, if the music is stolen... Even if it is not illegal. You are a disgusting leech. (Unless the Music is Eminem, or canadian (joke, but not the eminem bit))
I try to keep away from pirate software, and stuff. Unless it is: Microsoft, or out of date (Old IBM DOS for example).
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If its not illegal, its not stealing.
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I was talking about the "Legal Loopholes" that make it legal. But its still stolen!
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Nope, its not stolen.
Here's my examples:
A man walks into an art museum, walks up to the Mona Lisa painting, takes it off the wall, puts it in a box and takes it home.
He stole the painting.
A man walks into an art museum, walks up to the Mona Lisa painting, takes out his camera, takes a picture of it, turns the photo into a poster and hangs it up on his wall.
He didn't steal the painting, the painting is still in the art museum. Nobody has lost anything.
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Originally posted by Stryker:
because you can't get it off the radio (or television or other public network)
So? I can get software from a friend. Why should that be punished?
(See previous post for an explanation of why copying + sharing is not "stealing")
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Errr you mean in-correcting your ways! ;)
Ok imagine this.
Open source=Natural
Open source freeware that you can make money off of if done right=natural
Closed source=Un-Natural
non-freeware Closed source=Can start corruption that breeds shit like Microsoft.
non-freeware open source software=Natural, and would make people like Richard Stallman happy. Open sourcers are not pirates in the end.
pirating as because you do not support non-freeware closed source software=A form of protest.
So when I pirate, I am refusing to take part in supporting closed source, as I would rather pay nothing, then pay something and only serve to keep it alive.
When the day comes when there is ONLY freeware open source, and pay open source, I will be an evil leech freeloader. Currently, I am a protester.
I am not some underground rebel, I am just a freeloader. However, these arguments which I use to explain my actions aren't hollow. I am only a freeloader because I don't have the spirt of the underground rebel at my heart, the arguments for both are the exact same though.
What about pirating to damage Microsoft? Well I agree that does not harm them. The problem is not pirating, it's pirating and not furthering the alternative cause. So if I am a Linux dual booter who wants Wind0ze XP(for compatiblity with a few things), I will harm the Linux iniative more if I pay $300 for it, then if I pirated it and gave MS no money. If I were just a wind0ze pirate, I would not be aiding the Linux iniative because I woulden't use Linux.
Summary:You must limit the resources of the enemy AND bolster the resources of your ally, or the enemy will win everytime.
So if want the music industry changed, it makes no difference whether I pirate or boycott. Just as long as I support a new, by artists for artists underground music industry, that is desperately trying to survive.