Stop Microsoft
All Things Microsoft => Microsoft Hardware => Topic started by: JanusChrist on 24 January 2005, 06:15
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Ok, I'm new to the board and anti-MS culture and I'm currently trimming the MS "products" off my computer. I recently got FireFox 1.0, love it. I'm looking for a new email client and would like to try Open Office. However, I have a MS blue optical mouse that I'm actually quite fond of. I've been thinking about getting a Razer Diamondback mouse someday to replace this one. www.razer.com (http://www.razer.com)
I know Logitech makes some decent mice, anyone have any other suggestions?
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Mozilla Thunderbird is a rather nice email client.
And Logitech mice are wonderful. You could get that laser one and make all your geeky friends jealous.
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Originally posted by Fett101:
Mozilla Thunderbird is a rather nice email client.
And Logitech mice are wonderful. You could get that laser one and make all your geeky friends jealous.
Yeah I bought my mouse before Logitech made a name for themselves. Maybe I sound like a dick for saying so but I actually like this mouse.
And I tried Mozilla Thunderbird for email. And if you ever needed another reason to hate M$ get this: My email account is a Hotmail account. For Hotmail accounts to work with an email client (This includes Outlook and OE) I would have to "upgrade" my account for 20 dollars a year.
Typical, they only put something out for free when they need to kill competition.
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Logitech. Period. Although I wouldn't worry about the IntelliMouse anytime soon, it's hardly a cornerstone of the Microsoft monopoly. ;)
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I've been using a Logitech dual optical mouse happily for two years now. The single-button Apple promouse wasn't up to gaming, and I need a scroll wheel.
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I have to agree, Logitech. I have a simple back optical Logitech mouse and a Logitech Precision gamepad.
The hard plastic they use for their latest mice just feels great.
And you should really try OpenOffice.org. It's fairly good and has some great features that Microsoft Office don't have. And it's free (well, Microsoft Office 2003 is
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Wacom Tablet.
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Originally posted by sauron.game-host.org:
Wacom Tablet.
Hey! Some people like their RSS.
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If you like your mouse, why are you changing it?
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Originally posted by Tux:
If you like your mouse, why are you changing it?
Uh...becuz its a M$ mouse.
And I'm not changing it yet, I'm probably gonna get a Razer Diamondback when this one bites the dust.
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Why stop using it?
Just because it is a Microsoft device is hardly a valid reason. You're not hurting MS by stopping using it, they already have your money. Further than that, you are hurting yourself by wasting a perfectly functional piece of hardware.
People ceasing to use Microsoft software is rational, because it is shite. But throwing away your intellimouse PURELY because MS make it? Ridiculous!
It does what it's supposed to do doesn't it? If it ain't broke...
Now waiting until it breaks, _that's_ a good idea. (http://graemlins/thumbsup.gif)
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Originally posted by Tux:
Why stop using it?
Just because it is a Microsoft device is hardly a valid reason. You're not hurting MS by stopping using it, they already have your money. Further than that, you are hurting yourself by wasting a perfectly functional piece of hardware.
People ceasing to use Microsoft software is rational, because it is shite. But throwing away your intellimouse PURELY because MS make it? Ridiculous!
It does what it's supposed to do doesn't it? If it ain't broke...
Now waiting until it breaks, _that's_ a good idea. (http://graemlins/thumbsup.gif)
I once got a Microsoft IntelliMouse for free. And I threw it away, because just like the Xbox controller, the mouse is just too big.
Now I have a Logitech one, which fits nicely.
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Maybe having a Microsoft product on his desktop damages his morale.
Speaking of mice, I still have my FuckMicrosoft.com mousepad, though I decommissioned it recently.
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Originally posted by bedouin:
Maybe having a Microsoft product on his desktop damages his morale.
Speaking of mice, I still have my FuckMicrosoft.com mousepad, though I decommissioned it recently.
Well, the "DJ With No Name" is looking into restoring the MES store, which will be glorious!
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Originally posted by Tux:
Why stop using it?
Just because it is a Microsoft device is hardly a valid reason. You're not hurting MS by stopping using it, they already have your money. Further than that, you are hurting yourself by wasting a perfectly functional piece of hardware.
People ceasing to use Microsoft software is rational, because it is shite. But throwing away your intellimouse PURELY because MS make it? Ridiculous!
It does what it's supposed to do doesn't it? If it ain't broke...
Now waiting until it breaks, _that's_ a good idea. (http://graemlins/thumbsup.gif)
Yeah, I agree. It's just hard to look at the Microsoft logo the same way after finding this site and knowing what I know now.
[ January 29, 2005: Message edited by: JanusChrist ]
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I Have A Micrsoft Mouse Its Bigger Than Any Other Mice Ive Seen, But U Still Find It Easy To Use And Im 12!!
btw, Ive Got An Origional Xbox Controller And I Got Used To It After A Little While, But I Hate M$ Software I Only Have 1 Copy Of Win On My Network For Playing Games, The Other 6 Machines Are Linux :D
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Originally posted by solemnwarning:
I Have A Micrsoft Mouse Its Bigger Than Any Other Mice Ive Seen, But U Still Find It Easy To Use And Im 12!!
btw, Ive Got An Origional Xbox Controller And I Got Used To It After A Little While, But I Hate M$ Software I Only Have 1 Copy Of Win On My Network For Playing Games, The Other 6 Machines Are Linux :D
Just a little advice... proper English places a capital letter at the beginning of the first word of a sentence, And Not Every Bloody One. You might be taken a little more seriously if you put the effort in to make your posts more readable and less eye-bleed inducing. Thanks.
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Originally posted by Annorax, the Chipstacker:
Just a little advice... proper English places a capital letter at the beginning of the first word of a sentence, And Not Every Bloody One. You might be taken a little more seriously if you put the effort in to make your posts more readable and less eye-bleed inducing. Thanks.
Word.
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Originally posted by solemnwarning:
I Have A Micrsoft Mouse Its Bigger Than Any Other Mice Ive Seen, But U Still Find It Easy To Use And Im 12!!
If a mouse, keyboard or gamepad isn't from an asian company who made them fit for an avarage asian, I ain't buying it ;)
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how long does it take to type a whole post with a capital letter at the start of each word? do you think it's done using some sort of software?
anyway, i do agree that most of those M$ mice are too big, but if it's a good mouse and it works and you like it, why change? microsoft aren't even responsible for making the mice, they just outsource them and collect the profits. just use a bit of solvent spray cleaner to wipe of the microsoft logo and you're sorted. or scrape it off with a stanley blade.
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Its Just The Way Ive Always Typed
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Originally posted by solemnwarning:
Its Just The Way Ive Always Typed
Well... it's better to stop doing that. Especially when you're going to high school.
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The blue mouse (the one I have) is actually quite ergonomic but I agree that big ungodly grey mouse of theres is just a pain in the ass.
And solemn, I'm rather impressed. For a 12 year old it sure sounds like you really know your shit. Although I agree with the rest that you need to change your typing habits.
[ January 30, 2005: Message edited by: JanusChrist ]
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i do try to type like this exept i normally forget and just type how i normally do :S
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I was given my IntelliMouse for free when I fixed my aunts computer. She didn't believe me when I told her it wouldn't work with ME. True, it is big, but it doesn't really bother me.
Do the Logitec mice have the little buttons on the side and the scroller you can click down? True these are useless objects but I kinda like being able to go back and forth between pages really fast (like if you're going through a directory) without constantly rolling up and down between back and clicking.
I find it sad - horribly sad - that Linux handled the install of that mouse better than XP did. It also behaves better in Linux. So weird, eh?
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Its Just The Way Ive Always Typed
Can You Just Tell Me At Least How You Find It At All Easy To Type In This Way?
I Am Finding It Incredibly Difficult To Put A Capital Letter At The Start Of *Every* Single Word!!!!!1oneone
Please Answer This Question For Me. How Did You Get Into Such An Awkward Habit?
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how long does it take to type a whole post with a capital letter at the start of each word? do you think it's done using some sort of software?
anyway, i do agree that most of those M$ mice are too big, but if it's a good mouse and it works and you like it, why change? microsoft aren't even responsible for making the mice, they just outsource them and collect the profits. just use a bit of solvent spray cleaner to wipe of the microsoft logo and you're sorted. or scrape it off with a stanley blade.
ah i already did that- i used sandpaper.
Mr X
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I use a Logitech MX1000 and love it.
That said, I hate the software. MS Intellipoint is infinitely better than the crap Logitech gives you. If you install the Logitech software, the back/forward buttons stop working in Maxthon/Avant/Firefox (anything but IE) - the MS software had no such problem.
And if you set the buttons to be "alt+leftarrow" and "alt+rightarrow" - they stop working in the Picture/Fax viewer and several other places.
And there are no per-application button assignments, something sorely missed from the MS Intellipoint software. If only there were a way to have the best of both worlds. Here's hoping Longhorn includes some of those Intellipoint features for any brand of mouse.
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I have a cheap A4 tech wireless mouse, never let me down.
And on my lappy I use some other cheap mouse "Chic", which has also never let me down.
Question
* Who the fack can stand those forking sidebuttons anyway?
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I have a Logitech Wheelmouse Optical OEM.
The MX1000 was too big for me anyway.
So I don't need mouse software. The hard plastic that Logitech is using feels great (as does the plastic on the Logitech Precision Gamepad).
And, why need all those buttons on a mouse with things like a keyboard and mouse gestures? :)
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* Who the fack can stand those forking sidebuttons anyway?
Me. I assign the one on my Logitech dual-optical to show all windows with Expose in OS X.
As for using a mouse with a laptop, it seems to defeat the purpose. I see people who've had a portable for years and haven't learned how to use the trackpad.
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I can use the trackpad fine, it just sucks is all, I prefer a mouse.
I still use it often when I am writing or something because that way I move my hands less and can keep writing, and thats with the mouse still plugged in. A mouse is just a lot better generally.
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no! traxxpaddz r00lz0rs!!!!!11one
i do prefer a trackpad, even though i seem to be one of the few people who do. and trackballs are good too.
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My trackpad pisses me off because I can bump it slightly while typing and cause my cursor to select another window.
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lol
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My trackpad pisses me off because I can bump it slightly while typing and cause my cursor to select another window.
Eh, Linux doesn't have an option to disable the trackpad while one is typing? OS X does.
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Eh, Linux doesn't have an option to disable the trackpad while one is typing? OS X does.
It does? Killer! I can't wait for the money to exist. :macos: (I'll probably get a refurb 15" PB)
As for trackpads, I don't like them much. The Apple trackpad is among the best I've used, but still. I like the pencil eraser a little better. My favorite, though, as it exists on my 386 laptop, is a trackball. I love the thing. Too bad nobody does that anymore :(
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I have to agree about the trackball. I had an old Toshiba 486 laptop with a detachable (Microsoft manufactured) trackball, that used a strange proprietary interface. It was really incredibly easy to use. However, with modern laptops like the iBook and PowerBook, such a clunky device hanging off the side is unacceptable. You really just have to train yourself to use the trackpad for a significant period of time; once you do it becomes second nature, and superior to most interfaces.
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I have to agree about the trackball. I had an old Toshiba 486 laptop with a detachable (Microsoft manufactured) trackball, that used a strange proprietary interface. It was really incredibly easy to use. However, with modern laptops like the iBook and PowerBook, such a clunky device hanging off the side is unacceptable. You really just have to train yourself to use the trackpad for a significant period of time; once you do it becomes second nature, and superior to most interfaces.
I use trackpads and the little rubber eraser thingy sparingly. They are not really good for your hands with heavy use. My company actively discourages the use of trackpads and rubber eraser joysticks as an ergonomic issue.
But I've got to agree about trackballs.
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The thing is track pads work by detecting the moisture in your hands and they go mad when you've got sweaty fingers. I often get this problem when I'm looking at certain internet sites. :D
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You could get a linux mouse. They have 16 buttons, and two scroll wheels all which are configurable and/or removable and five different interchangeable lenses - plus they are skin-able. They are not compatible with many games though.
Also, there is the FreeBSD mouse. It has almost as many buttons and lenses as the linux mouse, but you have to put the buttons and lenses on yourself.
Or consider the OpenBSD mouse. It only comes with two buttons, but it comes with a lifetime warrantee against damage. It has the ability to hold two buttons and a standard lens, but they are not included. Fortunately it comes with a very detailed 78 page manual that explains how to build and install your own.
Lastly there is the NetBSD mouse. While it lacks all of the features of the FreeBSD and linux mice, it has more features than the OpenBSD mouse and is easier to put together. As an added bonus, the NetBSD mouse can operate your VCR, your toilet and your can opener, and of course, your toaster.