Stop Microsoft
All Things Microsoft => Microsoft Hardware => Topic started by: PlumClock on 14 September 2002, 07:11
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I dunno I have this theory that Xbox is nothing but a hardware test for Microsoft. If they can waltz in to the console industry and overthrow Sony and Nintendo (It's happenning) they've just proven to themselves that they can handle hardware.
The success of Xbox = Microsoft getting into computer hardware? Are we going to see full blown Microsoft computers?
Why can't Osama bomb them or somethin... they are killing my precious Nintendo.
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this should be in the hardware forum.... moving
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No because Xbox = wintel.
Wintel is the PC duopoly.
MS and Intel are happy as it is, there will be no change.
And what gives you the idea that MS actually had to do much hardware work for the Xbox, its main parts are all PC stuff.
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I think they will but i have a fund going, a group of 12 people 10 dont know how too turn computers on and one day near we are going to goto redmond and weld the bonnets shut on all the cars we see at the MS HQ!
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no way. xbox is hardly killing nintendo. First of all their hardware is different. Nintendo and PS2 have str8 dedicated hardware where xbox hardware is pc stuff which is used for multitasking, therefore alot of power goes to waste. 2nd xbox is make the same mistake sega did by having weak 3rd party support.
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Another theorey I've heared was that they are just using the x-box to learn from mistakes and develop their TCPA playform (what's it called? Pallidum?) more secure.
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PlumClock: Yes I know I posted this in the hardware forum but that place is dead.
What a wonderfull live I have as a moderator on the Microsoft Hardware forum... had one spammer in total :rolleyes: * being lazy, eating pizza, drinking Ice Tea *
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XBox isn't selling in Europe - Apparently they can tell shit from good stuff. I think it's doing about the same in Japan.
As for the US: We were XBox's marketing target, and it shows. Some people in the US actually bought these consoles. When I asked one of my friends as to why the fuck he bought one he said "It looks cool, and the games are gory and stuff"
If the average consumer in the US is this intelligent, Palladium will succeed. They will market it as just another "cool, good looking" computer and they will buy it...
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Most people in the U.S are idiots. That's why I'm as smart as a fish (http://smile.gif)
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Originally posted by TheQuirk:
Most people in the U.S are idiots.
Sad but true...
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No wonder Bush was elected (not that Gore was any better).
[ September 21, 2002: Message edited by: TheQuirk ]
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Have to agree with TheQuirks earlier comment about the X-box being a testbed for TCPA / Palladium...it actually uses a early variant of TCPA for DRM purposes (i.e. stopping you pirate expensive X-box games).
However I reckon that Microsoft have other agendas behind getting into the console market. The primary reason I feel is that the X-box IS a computer ... I don't think it happened by accident that it was based on a PC architecture. My guess is that Bill is hoping to get a computer in the shape of the X-box into every living room around the western world. Naieve kids who as is mentioned above demand higher resolution gore, will in fact secure the future of TCPA in the console market. What's more, I'll place bets that an IE variant will end up running on it. Once Microsoft creates it's proprietary version of TCP/IP, you can guarantee that the X-box will use it too.
PS
I can't remember where I saw it, but some dedicated open source developer has started creating a Linux variant for the X-box, and busy writing drivers as we speak. My guess is that he needs some help if anyone is willing.
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Null Pointer, great name! Maybe you happened to catch the "void main"/"int main"/"dev null" thread. At any rate, http://www.xboxlinux.org/ (http://www.xboxlinux.org/) is the URL to the project dedicated to getting Linux on the Xbox. They actually have SuSe v8 running on the Xbox.
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nice, however remember that for every xbox that runs linux, that's one xbox more that was bought and paid for where some of the money goes into Microsoft's pocket. It's like reformatting a copy of windows that you already paid for, fine, but you could have got a blank machine to start with.
edit - i mean you cannot get an xbox with no Microsoft operating system, like you can with a PC, so what i am saying is that the projects to run open source systems on a playstation, for example, sound more healthy to me.
[ September 18, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
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Calum, that is only true if you don't believe all the other bunk that was posted here stating that M$ actually loses money on the Xbox hardware itself. And that they make up for that loss in profit on game sales (plus some). Now I don't know what to believe but if it is true that M$ loses money on the Xbox sales I say we clear all the Xboxes off the shelves to make Linux super computer clusters with. No Xboxes means no game sales and M$ would lose twice.
I almost have to believe that they do lose money on the Xbox sales. If they didn't why would they be putting so much effort into making sure nothing else runs on it?
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I Think the XBox is a Great game platform, I have seen it in action becuase the Gfx are the best becuase it uses PC Hardware. And of course noone at MS made the XBox they probbaly got it the same way that they get all there other stuff, buying the product from another person. Who knows.
MS is infact trying to make something like the XBox for it Home Entertainment Center. I think thats what they called it I read about it on TechTv or Cnet's news.com.
Also What I read about windows95, I'm very surpises as maybe many of you are that the XBoX doesn't come with A Black Screen of Death. But that could be becuase they got another company or someone out side of MS to make it for them (http://redface.gif)
Thanks,
William M Gary
MS Fan - Lindows.com (Bring Lunix & Windows To Life!)
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Uh? your wierd.
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Ps2 kicks any other consoles ass.
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Originally posted by The Master of Reality / Bob:
Ps2 kicks any other consoles ass.
Still, Gamecube has the credit for best graphics ever. I have not yet seen something that can best the jawdropping beuty that is Resident Evil on Gamecube.
That and the fact that I saw a demo of MetroidPrime as well as the new zelda at Best Buy.
It is simply stunning.
I think the Gamecube hands down is the most impresive, most powerfull, console on the market right now. It's major downfall is lack of 3rd party support.
But I think this is an issue with most new generatin systems. There really isnt a single game out right now that is revolutionary by any means. It's all rehash, beating the same dead horse.
I mean, think of the old days. The NES had Mario bros. a game the likes of which had never been seen before. Revolutionary.
The Playstation had FF7, graphics and story never done like never before. (granted FFIV and FFVI beat the shit out of 7 for story, but not graphically of course).
N64, had Zelda64 and Mario64. Both masterpices introducing us to what would be TRUE 3d gaming.
Now, every game is just a spiffier remake of something that has already been done.
Anyway, I can't wait till the new Zelda !
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I have a PS2 and I am very satisfied. Its a great system. I have heard that its not easy to develop games for, but neither is the Xbox. Gamecube is supposed to be very easy for developers. Remember, a PS2 works as a DVD player, and a PS1 as well. Thats a pretty good deal right. That and the fact that many gaming companys, including square, are making games for PS2 means that it can't lose. I havn't seen the gamecube yet, but its supposed to be the best, and Nintendo has a good reputation for quality. Though N64 didn't exactly sell as well as it should have, it is a better system than people give it credit for. No, M$ will not be able to take over the game consoul market.
Anyway, do not buy the Xbox people. Even if M$ buys out many of the game developers. PS2 and Gamecube have enough quality titles. X-box is a force of evil that must be stamped out for good.
V
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I have to confess, I bought an XBox too and it rocks as a games console. I believe Void Mains comments above to be true...Microsoft actually make a loss on the hardware.
Mmmm, but back to the thread about Xbox being a testbed for TCPA / Palladium ? Yep pretty sure that this is the case, or is certainly a adventure on Bills behalf into Digital Rights Management...as is XP.
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xbox is a test
it tests my ability to manage my chi and avoid VOMITING ALL OVER MYSELF OR SUFFERING AN EMBOLISM! IT TESTS MY ABILITY TO NOT GO VICIOUSLY PUMPING ROUND AFTER ROUND INTO RANDOM FOLK OFF THE STREETS!
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Originally posted by sporkme / bob:
xbox is a test
it tests my ability to manage my chi and avoid VOMITING ALL OVER MYSELF OR SUFFERING AN EMBOLISM! IT TESTS MY ABILITY TO NOT GO VICIOUSLY PUMPING ROUND AFTER ROUND INTO RANDOM FOLK OFF THE STREETS!
<sarcasm>Cool i'll have to get one now, they are only
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Just a little update on the xbox test.
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2123049,00.html (http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2123049,00.html)
It's getting there. Althoug why they would advertise the fact that it runs W2K I don't know, it's not as if that is the major achievement, after all that's essentially what the xbox is.
Mandrake 9.0 proves it's worth.
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Originally posted by pkd:
Just a little update on the xbox test.
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2123049,00.html (http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2123049,00.html)
It's getting there. Althoug why they would advertise the fact that it runs W2K I don't know, it's not as if that is the major achievement, after all that's essentially what the xbox is.
According to the article I got the feeling that they were running Win2k "under" Linux which to me means Win2k can not run by itself on the xbox without hardware virtualization, at least not the off-the-shelf version of Win2k. Maybe I misread it?
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They claim that they run W2k under pc virtualisation software (does this mean VM or Wine, et al.) And the run basic apps like office. But the technical detail is not so easily forthcoming.
This is their official press release.
Xbox runnning Mandrake 9.0 running W2K (now thats trustworthy computing). (http://xbox-linux.sourceforge.net/articles.php?aid=1&sub=windows%202000)
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It would certainly mean they are running it in a VM. In fact it's hard to tell from the video but It almost looks like it could be a VMware session:
http://xbox-linux.sourceforge.net/pic/xbox-linux4.avi (http://xbox-linux.sourceforge.net/pic/xbox-linux4.avi)
[ September 30, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]