Stop Microsoft
All Things Microsoft => Microsoft Hardware => Topic started by: billy_gates on 11 February 2002, 08:00
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Does anyone know how to change the name of an XBox? You know, the name that shows up when you play System Link Halo.
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ya sell that insidius pice of garbage designed to steal away the consol industry like it's father has stolen away the computer industry.
Besides.. Halo ain't THAT great.
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No, don't sell it. Drive over it with your bicycle a few times, then box it up and ship it back to Bill Gates...
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Take your xbox back to the store and get a gamecube ... voila, you're xbox' name is now Gamecube :D
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Get an atari 2600, or even better, a pong machine. They're much more technically advanced (and certainly more entertaining!) than a crummy old XBox!
"An XBox by any other name,
would still be a windows 2000 peice of crap!"
[ February 12, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
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Those pong machine would be worth more then an xbox I can imagine .... my god ... those things are ancient :D
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My sister has one of those pong machines!
You wouldn't believe how many old gaming consoles and cartridges she has! She has literally hundreds of catridges, many for the old atari2600/5800/7800 range, but her atari2600 has an internal open circuit and no bugger services them anymore.
Of course, all the images of these cartridges fit on one CD and she can emulate the machine from her PC. Seems a waste of space to have those cartridges around except for the fact that if she gets rid of them, she is no longer allowed to keep the images on disk!!!
The best thing is that she's only 20 years old! so that pong machine predates her by several years!
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the real Xbox :
(http://www.apple.com.pl/products/macosx/xbox.gif)
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One CD HA!
I have all of the 2600 romz and guess what! They fit on a 3.4MB disk image!!!!
Most atary games range from 1-4k
Pretty cneat huh (http://smile.gif)
whatever...
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1) Halo is that great
2) I payed 300 for it, not going to destroy it anytime soon, and it works fine, Unlike windows
3) Gamecube has crappy baby games
4) Atari, bah!
5) Was Never good at pong
6) That is really dumm to keep all those stupid cartidges
7) My PowerMac G4 is sposed to arrive on Tuesday the 19th
8) That was in reference to number 6, so I wont say anything about it
P.S. I have an XBox so I can have PC games without a PC now that I am switching to Macs that don't have very many game that I want.
[ February 17, 2002: Message edited by: Billy Gates ]
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Billy Gates said...
6) That is really dumm to keep all those stupid cartidges
Oh yes? well, who can't even spell dumb? dumbass?
What i was saying is that you are not legally entitled to own the rom on a disk unless you also own the cartridges. Plus, the whole thing about those cartridges is that they may be worth something someday, and also, if she gets a working atari2600/7800, she can have the retro experience of playing them on a real machine again.
Also, just cos you are shit at Pong, don't go knocking the Atari 2600. If not for Atari and Activision, your XBox would be a pipedream in some dumass's head...
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Ya you tell him Calum!!!!
hehe (http://smile.gif)
BTW, Atari released their games for free a while back. The illegal rom thing does not apply to them. Before they closed thir doors "they said do what you want we dont care."
I think SEGA did the same for Genesis ROMs. They officially "don't care". It was on www.classicgaming,com (http://www.classicgaming,com) a while back.
anyway....
Game Cube does not have baby games! They just have good games that don't relly on flash and 3d animated gore to sell!!!
The new Metroid looks awsome, and if your gonna tell me Zelda is not worth playing then you are way outta line!!! Anyway, if you want a game system with "hard core" games (I hate that term), the PS2 is damn good too.
Being totaly objective (i.e. forgeting my loathing for microsoft), I don't think the XBox is that great. I have played it and the controll feels like a football. The games are all garbage right now (save for Halo which will come out on other systems (BTW Halo was made by Bungi a company STOLEN by microsoft) <-yikes, it's hard to be objective (http://smile.gif)
Don't even mention Dead or Alive III, again falling under 3d flash category. ANy game that wastes time creating variables to produce 3d animated breast gigle is bullshit fan-service mind-job material. Plus the game play is just a re-hash.
PS2 and Gamecube, are going to have, and DO have, excelent titles allready. The great thing about consoles is that they really do floor PC gaming. Wereas PC game racks are filld to the brim with Doom/Quake clones and nameles RTS's, Consoles actually break new ground. Jeez, take a look at GTAIII, ever seen that on a comp? Resident Evil? Devil may Cry? Shit, I don't know about you but a game system is nothing without Zelda (http://smile.gif)
FInally on to the ideological/moral aspects. Why own a game system from an evil company?
Did you know that the Xbox is a response to the PlayStation 2 suposedly threatening M$ dominance?
It's true, M$ bought the Xbox design from another company and put the project into gear after the Sony CEO talked about how he wanted to get the PS2 online and sort of make it into an internete applience type thing. M$ said me first! And made that POS. It's not just a game system, it's a way for M$ to gain market dominance in a virgin arena.
When no developers came to the Xbox project M$ whent around and sucked up companyes, like Bungi mentioned above. Halo was a project for the mac in development since 97. It was actually scheduald for release on PC and Mac soon until M$ baught them out.
Esentially they Stole their launch title from the very Mac's you think don't have enugh games. How is that for funny (http://smile.gif)
Not to mention that M$ totaly destroyed the Myth comunity after cobbling together that crappy Myth III and shutting down Bungi.net. I hear they axed the Myth Dev. team. If that's true there goes most of the origional bungi staff.
I hope the Xbox turns into a money pit for M$. They blew a ton on promoting it since they new it was gonna be tough to squeez it into the already established console market. M$ has yet to actually recoop the expense on the thing. Bill Gates himself estimates that it will take a few years, he assured his audience that the XBox will one day be the top player.
God I hope not.
Note: YARG!! After re-reading my post I noticed I pud game cube were I should have put X box (http://smile.gif) HAHA... that made this post sound a bit off, I think. Anyway. I changed it.
[ February 18, 2002: Message edited by: psyjax ]
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3) Gamecube has crappy baby games
People who generally make this statement are morons. Regardless of the fact that nintendo is responsible for such violent and adult oriented titles as "Perfect Dark" and "Conkers Bad Fur Day"
people trying desperatley to not feel the bite of buyers remorse self apply Nintendo Consoles as "kiddie systems" to further reinforce the logic behind their purchase. Nintendo is responsible for some of the worlds best video games, plain and simple, whether or not you have to prove to the world how "adult" you are by the video games you play is pretty pathetic. If the next argument is going to be "well perfect dark and conkers bad fur day are only 2 games big whoop" and I'm not trying to argue that sex and violence add to a games quality or replay value but I'd like you to name any game that is half as violent as "perfect dark" or half as sexually adult oriented as "conkers bad fur day" on a microsoft 'gaming' console, hell any console for that matter take your pick.
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3) Gamecube has crappy baby games
People who generally make this statement are morons. Regardless of the fact that nintendo is responsible for such violent and adult oriented titles as "Perfect Dark" and "Conkers Bad Fur Day"
people trying desperatley to not feel the bite of buyers remorse self apply Nintendo Consoles as "kiddie systems" to further reinforce the logic behind their purchase. Nintendo is responsible for some of the worlds best video games, plain and simple, whether or not you have to prove to the world how "adult" you are by the video games you play is pretty pathetic. If the next argument is going to be "well perfect dark and conkers bad fur day are only 2 games big whoop" and I'm not trying to argue that sex and violence add to a games quality or replay value but I'd like you to name any game that is half as violent as "perfect dark" or half as sexually adult oriented as "conkers bad fur day" on a microsoft 'gaming' console, hell any console for that matter take your pick.
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psyjax wrote,
The new Metroid looks awsome, and if your gonna tell me Zelda is not worth playing then you are way outta line!!! Anyway, if you want a game system with "hard core" games (I hate that term), the PS2 is damn good too.
I haven't seen the new Metroid game yet, but I have sen what the new Zelda game is going to be like. I'll say that I am disappointed with Nintendo for making it look the way it is going to look(like a kiddie cartoon)but if it has good puzzles, good gameplay, etc. then I'll probably buy a Gamecube so I can buy the game, and a few other classic series games for the GC.(I am a Zelda and Metroid fan)
This is how Zelda on the GC was originally gonna be.
http://cubemedia.ign.com/media/previews/video/zelda/zeldademo.mpg (http://cubemedia.ign.com/media/previews/video/zelda/zeldademo.mpg)
This is what it is going to be now(I don't like the change).
http://beri.tripod.ca/ZGC_linkmesy.jpg (http://beri.tripod.ca/ZGC_linkmesy.jpg)
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LoL, who cares about having roms without owning the game? It isn't like the police are going to come to your house looking for roms on your system. Having a crapload of cartridges is just a waste of space. Long live emulation.
[ February 18, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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I do agree, while emulators are fab, the real thing is often more fun though.
It's unlikely that you'd get busted for having illegal copies of sonic the hedgehog or whatever, but i am eternally pedantic and i felt it my duty to mention that you are supposed to have the original cartridges as well. I am very happy to hear that the atari and possibly some sega games are now abandonware, that would be terrific!
Obviously the consoles of today are far superior to the 8bit and 16bit systems of yesteryear. Still, you know it would be nice if someone would bring out some cheap ports of old games for the new consoles once in a while...
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I haven't seen the new Metroid game yet, but I have sen what the new Zelda game is going to be like. I'll say that I am disappointed with Nintendo for making it look the way it is going to look(like a kiddie cartoon)but if it has good puzzles, good gameplay, etc. then I'll probably buy a Gamecube so I can buy the game, and a few other classic series games for the GC.(I am a Zelda and Metroid fan)
I agree. I was a bit shoked when I saw what it looked like. It took me a bit to get used to the idea. But then it struck me, WOW! Those graphics are amazingly smooth and awsome. I have never seen a 3D cartoon before that actually looked like a toon!
Then again it struck me... hmmm.... this game CAN'T be bad, after all the best game designer in the world had a major role in this incarnation of everyones fav. Video game series: Shigeru Miyamoto.
You know that if he is at the helm, the new Zelda is deffinetly gonna knock everyones socks off!
Beside's gameplay, Not graphics, are whats important. Heck why do you think I still play 2600 games on my comp. (http://smile.gif)
oh. Here is a linko stuff on the new metroid! MAke sure to check out the movies:
http://cube.ign.com/articles/135/135316p1.html (http://cube.ign.com/articles/135/135316p1.html)
here is another link to zelda (no pun intended). I think this gives you a better Idea of what it will be like, the movie file is what sold me on it, check it out (link at bottom), its worth the d-load:
http://cube.ign.com/articles/099/099284p1.html (http://cube.ign.com/articles/099/099284p1.html)
[ February 18, 2002: Message edited by: psyjax ]
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Badkarma, Psyjax and Split are my new heroes.
Anyone who can see why Nintendo shits all over M$ and their poor excuse for a console the XBox is a champ. (By the way the Xbox has a controller that resembles a dinner plate with two fat sausages as handles)
That f@#%ing loser who said "GameCube baby games"
is a try hard. He has obviously been sucked in by games that show off graphics but lack in the more important areas such as 'GAMEPLAY', what a dumbass.
Down with M$ and thier oversized briefcase that has a green X on it!!!
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Originally posted by Billy Gates:
1) Halo is that great
And is also coming out for the pc (and in my case my athlon 1400 with 1Gb mem and geforce 3 is a bit more capable then an xbox)
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2) I payed 300 for it, not going to destroy it anytime soon, and it works fine, Unlike windows
300 dollars? that's a lot of money for a piece of crap :D
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3) Gamecube has crappy baby games
I think you're mistaken with the average N64 pokemon marketing campaign, and wether you find it a kiddy game or not (which it is not ) pikmin kicks ass!!!
And like someone already said, go show conquer's (or how the heck you spell it) bad furday to some kids parent and try to convince them that the n64 is a kiddy machine
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4) Atari, bah!
Atari bah? You seem to forget which company practically started (and at least made it mainstream) the videogame console industry, plus some of their games are known as the biggest innovations in CG industry
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5) Was Never good at pong
Don't blame something else for your own defficencies
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6) That is really dumm to keep all those stupid cartidges
What is really dumb is to spell dumb wrong
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7) My PowerMac G4 is sposed to arrive on Tuesday the 19th
so?
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8) That was in reference to number 6, so I wont say anything about it
indeed, spelling dumb wrong one time is bad enough :D
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P.S. I have an XBox so I can have PC games without a PC now that I am switching to Macs that don't have very many game that I want.
then wouldn't buying a dreamcast+psone+snes+(insert other console here) saved you money and gave you a bigger choice in games?
my 2 euro cents
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
This is how Zelda on the GC was originally gonna be.
beep ... wrong ... that was a technical demo to show the capabilities of the gamecube, everybody just wished that the new zelda would look like that
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This is what it is going to be now(I don't like the change).
Just want to say that cell shading rules (http://smile.gif)
Let me guess ... you thought jet grind radio had a kiddy look to it too?
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LoL, who cares about having roms without owning the game? It isn't like the police are going to come to your house looking for roms on your system. Having a crapload of cartridges is just a waste of space. Long live emulation.
*NOTHING* (not even the best quality emulator out there) beats the feeling of popping a cartridge in my nes/snes and playing a game on the real thing, with a real nintendo controller, with the game actually performing like it should (which no emulator can guarantee)
plus add to that the fact that you can show your grandson some nostalgia when you're like 80 orso (http://smile.gif)
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Well, we may not be wishing that the GC Zelda looked like the demo. Apparently Nintendo is scrapping the cell shading idea so the demo look may become a reality.
http://www.zeldapower.com/news/zeldachange.shtml (http://www.zeldapower.com/news/zeldachange.shtml)
I agree that nothing is like the real thing, but you can get pretty damn close with emulation(you can use an adaptoid on you PC so you can use the original controller). Emulated games on a PC look better than the real thing on a TV due to the fact that a PC can do alot higher of a resolution than a TV.
I can tell a major difference in graphics quality playing a 64 game on my PC in 1600x1200x32bpp w/Anisotropic filtering over playing it on a real 64 on a TV doing 640x480(or maybe it is 640x400). On the real thing the graphics and shit look jaggy and blurry after you have played the same game on the emulator in a high resolution. Then again, there are some ROMs that you can't run on the emulators or there may be glitches or speed issues on the emulator.
[ February 19, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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For the N64 that's true yeah, but a lot of older consoles look plain out horrible in 1600x1200, you can just about count the pixels by hand then on a NES (http://smile.gif)
For consoles capable of higher resolutions (like my old trusty dreamcast, for which there is no serious emulator yet) a VGA box/adapter is an absolute must tough, except for low res 2d fighting games then which is a shame, LOT's of kick ass 2d fighters on dreamcast (capcom vs snk 2 rocks)
You can't imagine how sweet most dreamcast games look in high res on a LCD monitor (skies of arcadia was a dream in comparison to the "tv version) :D
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Originally posted by BadKarma:
For the N64 that's true yeah, but a lot of older consoles look plain out horrible in 1600x1200, you can just about count the pixels by hand then on a NES (http://smile.gif)
On a mac anyway, you can use the RAVE or similar OpenGL graphics modes on emulators to smooth out the graphics or even simulate a tv screen. I find these modes quite effective and they improve the experience.
Thank everyone at www.emulation.net (http://www.emulation.net) for the totaly awsome Mac emulation community.
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Haha .... but I'm not going to shell out 2000 euro for a mac to emulate a system which I can buy for 10 euro if I look around hard enough :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by BadKarma:
Haha .... but I'm not going to shell out 2000 euro for a mac to emulate a system which I can buy for 10 euro if I look around hard enough :rolleyes:
(http://smile.gif) true, very true.
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1600x1200x32bpp(32-Bit is overkill for a NES, LoL) doesn't look all that bad with NES games on the PC using VirtualNES v0.40. I don't see any pixelization in it(because the emulator smooths the pixels). It looks alot better than a real NES. The sound is alot better on the emulator also(48.000KHZ 16-bit on the PC compared to a real NES only having like 11.025KHZ 8-Bit sound).
http://zombie9921.homestead.com/files/z2.jpg (http://zombie9921.homestead.com/files/z2.jpg)
[ February 20, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Man I want a biger monitor :(
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So do I. I wish I had a monitor that can do at least 2096x1536@75hz. This is all the better 1600x1200x32Bpp looks with 64 games.
http://zombie9922.homestead.com/files/z64.jpg (http://zombie9922.homestead.com/files/z64.jpg)
There are still jaggies in the graphics, the colors look better on the actual game though. Jpeg image format sucks because it can't handle 4.3 billion colors(32Bit). In the actual game you don't see the color blurs around the characters and in the hearts like in the picture.
[ February 20, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Well, my lowly 15" LCD monitor isn't capable of displaying graphics in a 1600x1200 resolution (not that I care anyway, I have a monitor which can and I prefer the LCD anyway) but I think scaled graphics aren't very nice, firstly the aspect ratio changes (1200/1600!=240/256) and secondly the blurring of the pixels (cause that's what it is, not smoothing but blurring) is also not very pretty (imho)
The sound will be a bit better on a pc yeah but you don't play nes games for their excellent sound (http://smile.gif)
And how the hell do you play duckhunt or gunsmoke without a zapper? :D
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
There are still jaggies in the graphics, the colors look better on the actual game though. Jpeg image format sucks because it can't handle 4.3 billion colors(32Bit). In the actual game you don't see the color blurs around the characters and in the hearts like in the picture.
[ February 20, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
4.3 Billion colors? you wish (http://smile.gif)
32 bit color = 24bit color + 8bit alpha
so you have 16777216 unique colors (plus 256 values of opaqueness per color), which in itself is pretty much redundant because the human eye can't distinguish so many colors.
The color output of a real N64 is 21 bits which gives us 2097152 colors, so if it's properly emulated that's how many colors you'll see (plus the developer/publisher will often opt to use less colors (16 bit) as to save (pretty costly) cartridge space)
The blurriness of the jpeg image is not because it can't cope with 24 bit color, it's because it is a compressed format, and does not store the image on a pixel by pixel basis (like for example a bmp file).
The pixelation in the textures is just plain out ugly because of the high resolution :eek:
To cancel out the jagged edges by the way (if you have say an nvidia card) turn on anti aliasing somewhere in your videocard options, but be prepared to suffer if you use AA with a 1600x1200 resolution (unless you have a geforce 4 (http://smile.gif) )
[ February 20, 2002: Message edited by: BadKarma ]
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Xbox is GAY!!! I rather play PS2, well I already have one hehe.
Xbox Specs:
700mhz PIII
Geforce3 Graphics
(Who needs this when there's a Geforce4?)
HDTV support, why you have a Geforce3 and a TV with low RES? You crazy you wanna go blind? Besides who would buy a HDTV when you can get a HDTV Tuner card for a very cheap price with high RES monitor? Even the suckest monitor today can beat a TV any day!
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This is nothing a PC with a TNT can't do.
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The XBox is gay?
does thaT mean it will only want to hang around with other XBoxes? While Playstations and N64s are going out on dates with each other?