Stop Microsoft
All Things Microsoft => Microsoft Hardware => Topic started by: Kintaro on 1 December 2002, 12:19
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I was suprised, years ago when the Playstation was made, i was wondering what the hell sony where doing. I became quite anti-sony but when i seen the Playstation 2, which was finally upto date with technology. And shitted all over my Nintendo 64 (Which i still love). When i heard Microsoft where making a console in the early 2001 period (i think) i was suprised also. But when i think about it, who is next to enter the Console game, Sun, Apple (possible), IBM, Transmeta (Theyd make a good Game-boy alternative), nVidia (who knows?).
What I do know is that sony have somthing cooking, somthing awesome, Microsoft will be hammered soon, because sony will release somthing great, just like when they did the PS2.
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Yeh sonys next project is gonna be a killer for sure.
Go Sony!
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Yep sony will own!
Except of cource, have a good look at PS1 specs
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Boycott $ony! (RIAA member)
Wait for Nintendo's new console.
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Im disapointed with Nan Tendo because they replaced the cartridge (the thing that made there consoles own!) and replaced it with some crappy optical thing.
So id prefer a playstation, i might even get xbox, and xbox-linux.
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someone needs to make a Linux-based console, just like the Linux powered PDA.
But Linux needs a better graphics framework first.
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there was going to be a linux console - it was called indrema
but the company went bankrupt a few years back :-(
http://www.howstuffworks.com/indrema.htm (http://www.howstuffworks.com/indrema.htm)
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How would cartriges be useful in today's world? They merely jack up the price. Maybe in the old days cartriges meant very low load times and better performance, but there is no need for chips in the game itself today.
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The Linux console still has a future. Perhaps Linux consoles could have:
1)A highly specialized distro, tailor compiled and configured for the console. Out of the box, boot times are tremendous, and performance is better then out of the box PC distros.
2)Perhaps you can go one step further and have "dual boots". You store two versions of the console Linux OS on the harddrive. One version is designed solely for running the game, the other version can run games with a minor performance drop, and word process and surf the net.
3)PC compatibility. Imagine being able to play most Linux PC games on the console. In addition, there would be some linux console only and dual Linux PC/Linux console games, that could benefit from the special coding, hardware, and architecture of the console(the dual games would be coded to work a little different on the console version).
4)Linux software! Your Linux comes bundled with all sorts of freeware goodies.
5)PC upgradibility. Perhaps you would be somewhat limited in how you can upgrade your console, but the possibility is still there. Stuff like the CPU, sound card, and video card would have to be standardized, so you coulden't just pop-in any old upgrade. This allows the console to get a performance boost that a PC don't have. I can see things like RAM, harddrive, and modems being changeable. Also, things like controllers, keyboards, mice etc. The biggest advantage is that if it works for a PC, it will probably work for the Linux console. Any hardware that is certified by the makers will have automated kernel recompiling instructions available from the console maker's website for download.
Now about kernel recompiling, I know you don't have to do this, but it would mean a performance boost if you have the whole OS specfically optimized for one particular set of hardware.
So all in all, a Linux console has alot of potential.
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Originally posted by lazygamer:
How would cartriges be useful in today's world? They merely jack up the price. Maybe in the old days cartriges meant very low load times and better performance, but there is no need for chips in the game itself today.
speed, durability, blah, blah, blah.
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Originally posted by Chief Medical Officer V:
Boycott $ony! (RIAA member)
Wait for Nintendo's new console.
How about no. Fuck the RIAA im an aussie so i couldnt give a flying fuck, its just our way, eh X11?
I actually dont mind the GamePube but Ps2 still owns em all.
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Originally posted by X11 / BOB: l33t h4x0r:
[QB]Im disapointed with Nan Tendo because they replaced the cartridge (the thing that made there consoles own!) and replaced it with some crappy optical thing.QB]
Que? You'd prefer cartridges (N64 ones had max 256mb memory) over thie "optical thing" (1.5 GB). Sure they coulda just used regular old DVD, but they have seemingly stopped emulator programmers in thier tracks so far.
Either way, cartridges may have no load time and durability, they still have way less space and are way more expensive.
BTW. is whole call a company by some "offensive" name thing driving anyone else mad? Nan Tendo. $ony. M$. It always reminds me of this (http://home.midsouth.rr.com/fett101/MS.gif)
[ December 03, 2002: Message edited by: Fett101 ]
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Originally posted by The artist formerly known as Doogee:
How about no. Fuck the RIAA im an aussie so i couldnt give a flying fuck, its just our way, eh X11?
I actually dont mind the GamePube but Ps2 still owns em all.
Although RIAA stands for Recording Industry Association of America, it dosn't matter if your in Australia, Mexico, China or wherever, the RIAAs shit will affect you. They have already attacked people in both Europe and China for going against their ways. You think they don't lobby the Aussie gov?
And yes, I admit PS2 does rule, I bought mine long before I knew anything about Napster etc...
Also I think it kicks ass that the Aussie gov. said no to $ony about the mod chip issue.
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Originally posted by Fett101:
this (http://home.midsouth.rr.com/fett101/MS.gif)
Hehehe.... pretty funny :D .
Altho, M$ still stands in my book (http://tongue.gif)
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feta101 :D that was very funny indeed! :D
as for these things:
cartridges kick ass, sorry, they're just more expensive that's all. Shame they're harder to break, or they might still be around (CDs work better with planned obsolescence).
Also, as for the console wars, i am still loyal to Sega. never had much enthusiasm for consoles since they got out...
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i stand by nintendo. i am not going to get into why i think nintendo is better, or why sony sucks, none of that. i like all consoles (except of course, xbox), i just like nintendo more. i look forward to what they bring out in the next few years.
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Originally posted by Calum:
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CDs work better with planned obsolescence
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Well Caloom, Cartridges do as well for planned obsolescence too. 2 examples. Playstation 2 plays Playstation one games. Game Boy Advance plays Gameboy games. It all depends on the hardware they decide to use for the next system. Nintendo wouldn't make the GC with an optical drive and then add a cart slot and N64 compatibility. It's just inconvienent.
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Originally posted by The artist formerly known as Doogee:
How about no. Fuck the RIAA im an aussie so i couldnt give a flying fuck, its just our way, eh X11?
I actually dont mind the GamePube but Ps2 still owns em all.
Your damn right!!!
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It doesnt really matter if cartriges cost more then disks because in the end the games still cost the same. N64 games didnt cost anymore then psx1 games did plus they couldnt be pirated.
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Well.. I do have serveral N64 roms.. so. But still, I can't mash a cd of them into my N64 like I can my DC.
As for pricing. I don't remember what N64 games went for. this place (http://www.epinions.com/game-review-4FF4-B92BBD-39A78A63-prod1) says that they were up to $65, as compared to PS2 current top off at $50. $10-15 dollad dif.
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Well, on a totally unusual thing im going to agree with foot (fart, feta whatever his name is).
I never liked nintendo till the GC cos i like the games the controllor and that "optical thing" they use as the media. I always hated cartridges and althou i loved sega back in the old MageDrive(Genesis) times i think cartridges are now old useless and yes pretty much obselete (minus the GameBoy). Think about it, how much can you fit on a cartridge compared to the "optical thing" and still want the console to be the same size? Yay check it out its the game cube, yup thats right 1metre cubed! Im actually borrowing a GC from my older half brother and i cant fight it, im totally addicted to Pikmin (http://tongue.gif) .
BUT!!!!
I got a PSX in 97 and ive always loved it. and ive got a bit of a collection of games.
I got a ps2 in chrismas 2000 and that just blew my mind.
i still have a soft spot for SEGA cos i was introduced to gaming on the MegaDrive (yes i know im young yadda yadda yadda) actually does anyone know of a decent magadrive emulator for linux?? lol ive been missing the RF connector on my mega drive for years. id love to have a game of super hangon.
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There is a console specificly for Linux, donated and made by the lovly people at Microsoft.
http://xbox-linux.sourceforge.net (http://xbox-linux.sourceforge.net)
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Originally posted by Fett101:
Que? You'd prefer cartridges (N64 ones had max 256mb memory) over thie "optical thing" (1.5 GB). Sure they coulda just used regular old DVD, but they have seemingly stopped emulator programmers in thier tracks so far.
Either way, cartridges may have no load time and durability, they still have way less space and are way more expensive.
BTW. is whole call a company by some "offensive" name thing driving anyone else mad? Nan Tendo. $ony. M$. It always reminds me of this (http://home.midsouth.rr.com/fett101/MS.gif)
[ December 03, 2002: Message edited by: Fett101 ]
They can actually hold more then an optical if you have lots of Address space, they should get like 64bit addressing because that would be like 4tb of possible space.
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Originally posted by Fett101:
Que? You'd prefer cartridges (N64 ones had max 256mb memory) over thie "optical thing" (1.5 GB). Sure they coulda just used regular old DVD, but they have seemingly stopped emulator programmers in thier tracks so far.
Either way, cartridges may have no load time and durability, they still have way less space and are way more expensive.
BTW. is whole call a company by some "offensive" name thing driving anyone else mad? Nan Tendo. $ony. M$. It always reminds me of this (http://home.midsouth.rr.com/fett101/MS.gif)
[ December 03, 2002: Message edited by: Fett101 ]
I posted that link a long time ago and no-one cared! AM I NOT SPECIAL?!
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Yes, yes it does.
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Originally posted by TheQuirk:
I posted that link a long time ago and no-one cared! AM I NOT SPECIAL?!
I'm just more special.
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APPLE CONSOLE!!! APPLE CONSOLE!!! (http://smile.gif) (http://smile.gif) (http://smile.gif) (http://smile.gif) (http://smile.gif) (http://smile.gif) (http://smile.gif) (http://smile.gif)
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ug. don't u guys realize that sony and nintendo have the same dreams as microsoft. i say down with them all!!
the bastards only have money on their mind and will stop at nothing to get it.
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Really? A company wanting to make money? That's hard to believe. There's nothing wrong with that. What is wrong with that are the tactics used to make that money. Microsoft is in a class of their own when it comes to low down shenanigans.
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I dunno. I'd say that Enron and Wal Mart are quite up there scum wise.
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and nestle beat microsoft hands down. i wonder if there's a fucknestle.com...
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fucknestle.com appears to be an anarchy / conspiracy nut site...
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catridges kick ass, not only do they meet the requirment of being hard to pirate/*sure as hell wasn't you that made roms of games was it, and if it was damn, you have skillz*/ but they load fast, and have bonerific bandwidth
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Macman, maybe something like the iSphere? Or just have them develop for gamecube. It runs on a modded ~400mHz PPC proc. And cartridge-based systems rock! Has anyone here played Top Gear 2 or 3000 on the SNES? Those were probably the best games kemco made.
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No apple use Generic names like mine.
It would be
iGameConsole
or
iGamer
or
iCrap
somthing anyway.
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But at least a variety of colors wouldn't be a selling point for some people. The Gamcube already has the covered.
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Amiga should make a console and call it: CommodoreOne Lite edition (make modern games avaible for the console, make the CommodoreOne easyer, add a DVD drive, etc.)
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ok as i have been doing im gonna add a nice long explanation at my opinion. DAMMIT why do i do this?
Ok, I love ps2, because it's got so damn many games, the graphics are very good, the thing will NEVER overheat, and it's very durable. BUT, I vote for the gamecube. First of all, you PSX people were retarded in saying that PSX graphics speed and overall quality surpassed that of the N64. That is just bullshit! However it's very hard to program on a console that requires proprietary cartridges, so a lot of developers did psx, plus the contracts and stuff etc. just looking at psx games in comparison to even the now outdated N64 graphics is just horribly disturbing. It basically looks like grayish (sometimes colorful) dots moving around. And yes i am looking at the TV not the playstation.
But anyway back to the present day. I am loyal to nintendo first of all, but there are a great many other reasons that i choose the cube.
graphically superior
First and foremost when rating the actual console is it's graphics... in the specs, gamecube outperforms the ps2, but is second to xbox well thats fine because a lot of the power that xbox has is very difficult to display on a 640x480 monitor (ALL standard televisions are) That is, you won't see the actual quality and you certainly wont see all those 125 million polygons whirring past your head. My friend who debates on this constantly repeated 'get a higher resolution tv then' which, for any of you who may be interested in the technology behind the television, is only possible with something like hdtv! standard tv always uses 640x480 resolution. Yes that's why things get bigger on your tv as you increase the size, instead of you being able to see more. (rofl). With my experience with BOTH the gamecube and the xbox, i cannot tell the difference
gameplay
nintendo is good at making games. period. Nintendo may be a family oriented company that isn't big on blood and guts but the games are ALWAYS superior! for instance, everyone i know that has played Metroid Prime say it is the best game they have ever seen. I agree. The intuitiveness of the gameplay is just plain astounding!
minimalist
microsoft doesnt sell quality or speed or high resolution, or stability or security god dammit they sell features. That (and bill gates commercial genius) is why Windows is still alive and hasnt been thoroughly rampaged by MacOS, linux and other alternatives. What is a game console supposed to do microsoft? It's supposed to play games, and ps2 and gamecube do that very very very well thank you, but xbox seems to do more than i want it to. Although the hard drive etc is very useful it's a waste of money, it's something that should come as an addon later not something that should be included in the console. and if you want a computer, head to your favority oem's site and punch in that credit card. game consoles arent here for use as a computer.
metroid prime in itself
the most well thought out game in history.
looking at the alternatives
-xbox, made by my worst enemy.... nah.
-ps2, hmm, sony... nah
size/price (with a capital p)
gamecube is small, and costs 150 bucks. it started at 200. xbox is HUGE and costs 200-250 bucks. it started at 300. hmm, now don't get me wrong but when you take off around 70 bucks from xbox for the extra ethernet and hdd you get $230, still thirty dollars more than gamecube, which is the graphics improvements that as i mentioned YOU CANT EVEN SEE ON A TV... hmm. im sure there is other hardware in the xbox but i dont really care i am very tired.
FUCK MICROSOFT... AND IT's XBOX... And yes, it's personal.
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Yes, fett, it reminds me of a 404 not found too.
And X11... YOU WANT AN XBOX?!?!?!
Agreed, fuck the RIAA. Here in New Zealand we have to deal with the RIANZ instead, and they're a pack of wankers.
And don't even start with the sheep jokes you bloody aussies...
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PS2 is my favorite console out of the current three. It has the games I like to play. GameCube is lacking. It still has the ice cream, but no toppings, if you get what I mean. Xbox is crap. I prefer PC games on my PC, thank you very much. Seriously, if you've played Unreal Tornament 2K3 on PC and then Unreal Championship on Xbox, you know what I'm talking about. Morrowind on PC is a masterpeice, on Xbox it is torture. Where's the mods? Or the patches? Or the good controls? Or the editor? They're not on the Xbox.
When will Betheseda get it? Console RPG's are made for consoles and Computer RPG's are made for computers.
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pardon me for clearing webspace by deleting pictures used in threads ages old.
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Originally posted by Xyle: Mac Commando:
i stand by nintendo. i am not going to get into why i think nintendo is better, or why sony sucks, none of that. i like all consoles (except of course, xbox), i just like nintendo more. i look forward to what they bring out in the next few years.
Word. I got a Gamecube and I don't see a thing wrong with it. It loads in 2 seconds versus instant, but like I care. What I hated was that my carts always got dust/bent prongs and stuff. Plus they're more expensive.
Oh and GamerX, what is GC "lacking" (besides NASCAR racing games and a myriad of Turn Based RPGs with girl-armed dudes). I dare you to go play SSBM, The Wind Waker, Metroid Prime, and SMS (even though its not as good as Mario 64, its still good!) and say that again. Plus we are getting a new Mario Kart (with network play, mind you), F-Zero, and Metroid Prime 2. Booyaah
[ May 03, 2003: Message edited by: Windows XP Hater #2874586 ]
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First of all, it is my personal opinion that Metroid Prime is terrible and that Zelda:The Wind Waker is the best Zelda yet. SSBM is a great game, but SMS pales in comparison to Ratchet & Clank. GameCube is lacking RPGs and platformers (my two favorite genres). I still like it, but PS2 is better.
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I'd rather get an XBOX than a PS2, at least the 'box has faster hardware and has some decent PC ports like Morrowind. All I see on the PS2 are some generic racing games and umpteen unoriginal turn-based RPGS.
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Originally posted by GamerX:
First of all, it is my personal opinion that Metroid Prime is terrible
*dies*
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*dies*
Dude if you LOVE turn based RPGs... seek help. There's still hope. :D If you dont its only a matter of time before you start talking to everyone in a lame voice and begin searching for a magic thingie that split into 6 pieces. Personally I hate turn based RPG's. Not going to get into that. Also, GC has lots of platformers, SMS is still good, but we have the new Rayman and Vexx (not that great but ok). I dont know much that the PS2 has in platformers besides Ratchet and Clank.
[ May 05, 2003: Message edited by: Windows XP Hater #2874586 ]
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pfffftt.... Rachet and Clank may be a good game but remember who its mentor is... Rachet and Clank wouldnt be here if it wasnt for Nintendo.
By the way Calum what have Nestle done? Im not disagreeing with you.....I am just unaware of what they do.
If there are any Aussies on here.....boycott Arnotts!!
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Why boycott arnotts?
Calum is saying we should boycott Nestle because they did something to some starving people. Can't remember what now but at the time I was pissed off at them.
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Dude if you LOVE turn based RPGs... seek help. There's still hope.
You must be put down for the sake of improving the gene pool, and your argument can be destroyed with three words - Final Fantasy Seven. :D
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Originally posted by ShigeruMiyamoto:
pfffftt.... Rachet and Clank may be a good game but remember who its mentor is... Rachet and Clank wouldnt be here if it wasnt for Nintendo.
By the way Calum what have Nestle done? Im not disagreeing with you.....I am just unaware of what they do.
If there are any Aussies on here.....boycott Arnotts!!
http://www.wearsthebaby.com/articles/nestle.html (http://www.wearsthebaby.com/articles/nestle.html)
and
http://www.babymilkaction.org/pages/boycott.html (http://www.babymilkaction.org/pages/boycott.html)
will tell you everything you need to know. basically nestle would rather actively employ people to spread lies which are directly responsible for human babies dying of malnutrition in large numbers than take a modest cut in their profit margin. Nestle employ people as "nurses", but their real job is to go around areas where people have not got much of an education and "instruct" them about how nestle powdered milk is really healthy for their baby, what happens is that many poor families will believe this, the only source of information they have, and spend all their money on powdered milk. they will then reconstitute this substandard milk with unsanitary water, whereupon their babies die a painful and needless death. But it doesn't matter because nestle have sold more units as a result, and that's what's important isn't it? free market in action and all that.
in the cruelest and most real sense nestle puts money ahead of lives, and because of the capitalist "i'm alright jack" mentality (or "not in my backyard" for australians), nobody in the "free" white world gives a shit about it.
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Nestl
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Yep thats some very sick fucking people at nestle then.
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They were also giving their product away to 3rd world mothers at a time, during this period the mothers would stop lactating and were stuck using Nestle's crap...
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Originally posted by Windows XP Hater #2874586:
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Dude if you LOVE turn based RPGs... seek help. There's still hope.
I can't stand turn based RPG's. But what the heck dous that have to do with Metroid Prime?
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Metroid prime is like a jump around and shoot stuff isn't it? :confused:
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Yeah. First Person Action/Adventure title.
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Shit! I didnt realise Nestle were that cruel!
Thats fu(k3n shocking!....why hasnt anything been done???!
By the way thanks for the links.
Ohhhh and to that reply ("why boycott Arnotts?").
Well once Arnotts were an Australian owned company until an American giant came along and bought them out (Campbels...think thats how its spelt)......ever since... they have collected all the profits and taken them back to America (obviously), bullied supermarkets into only shelving their products, claimed they are still an Aussie company and now they are suing good old Dick Smith for trying to create some competition!!
They are going to pay for taking on Dick Smith!!
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Go Dick Smith. Especially his matches. Love the matches.
Dick Smith version matches - proudly all Australian! (http://www.dazbert.co.uk/sites/rudefood/odds/dickheads.htm)
"official" Dick Smith matches page (http://www.dicksmithfoods.com.au/dsf/index.php?d=main&p=matches)
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Smith Wins Dickheads Dispute:
Businessman and philanthropist Dick Smith has emerged victorious from a three-year legal fight over the right to produce matches under the moniker Dickheads. Swedish company Intermatch Sweden Aktiebolag opposed the granting of a trade mark to Mr Smith's company, Dick Smith Investments. It claimed Dickheads was a "direct copy" of its own famous brand of matches - Redheads, which it bought from Australian company Bryant and May. Bit Australian Trade Marks Office hearing delegate Claudia Murray found none of the Swedish company's objections could be upheld, ordering it to pay Smith's legal bills. (Source: Yahoo)
[ May 08, 2003: Message edited by: Faust ]
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I've heard that the new nintendo console is going to be released a year before the new playstation and xbox
sega genesis is the best