Stop Microsoft
Miscellaneous => The Lounge => Topic started by: cahult on 19 May 2004, 02:42
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No trolls in sight, no heated discussions. How about inviting some mac, linux and (yuck!) windows gurus and let them run riot here? I miss those discussions in the old days when I was new to this place, before the trolls, before the let-go-mentality and the me-too attitude. After all, this forum was and still is about debunking the myths about windows
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Originally posted by cahult:
No trolls in sight, no heated discussions. How about inviting some mac, linux and (yuck!) windows gurus and let them run riot here? I miss those discussions in the old days when I was new to this place, before the trolls, before the let-go-mentality and the me-too attitude. After all, this forum was and still is about debunking the myths about windows
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Originally posted by cahult:
No trolls in sight, no heated discussions. How about inviting some mac, linux and (yuck!) windows gurus and let them run riot here? I miss those discussions in the old days when I was new to this place, before the trolls, before the let-go-mentality and the me-too attitude. After all, this forum was and still is about debunking the myths about windows
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well jimmy, but i guess he doesn't count as a normal user :rolleyes:
theres also sauron and i think ecsyle
no good trolls have come for a while.
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And then there is Jimmy James. He popes his hed in and whines about this fourm and the people who post in it. So on average I'd say we've been quite busy as far as trolls go.
Except I'm not a troll.
But since all you have to do is say that somebody is...
SOLARIS IS A TROLL!!!!!
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Originally posted by Paladin9:
Are there any normal users here right now who like windows and MS?
ThePreacher made some ridiculous, non supported, pro
MS claims without using(and willing to defend) any facts.
See:
http://forum.microsuck.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=002531 (http://forum.microsuck.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=002531)
PS: Nha, Jimmy isn't a troll.
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[ May 19, 2004: Message edited by: insomnia ]
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Originally posted by JimmyJames: GenSTEP Founder:
Except I'm not a troll.
If you do not want to be a troll, then stop mouthing off to people.
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cripes you guys throw around the word troll way too much.
trolls are basicly people here who come in with the intention of fucking shit up.
jimmy just makes big replies and tells you you're an idiot. just because hes not nice to everyone doesn't mean hes a troll.
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I am not a troll.
I don't post disgusting images, I don't shout off racial slurs, and i really don't cause much mess. If some fuckhead posts some stupid shit, yes, I will run my mouth; who wouldn't?
I just got bored of bad mouthing MS. Its not productive. However, places like promote-opensource.org are productive. I'd rather chat there (http://smile.gif)
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relax Ecsyle, they define Troll as one who does not blindly follow their mindless groupthink of Pro Open Source, and deeply opposed to anything otherwise.
meanwhile I just sit back a sample the best that everything has to offer.
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Originally posted by Sauron: Troll Warrior:
relax Ecsyle, they define Troll as one who does not blindly follow their mindless groupthink of Pro Open Source, and deeply opposed to anything otherwise.
meanwhile I just sit back a sample the best that everything has to offer.
oh, I know. I just wanted to defend myself.
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Originally posted by Sauron: Troll Warrior:
relax Ecsyle, they define Troll as one who does not blindly follow their mindless groupthink of Pro Open Source, and deeply opposed to anything otherwise.
meanwhile I just sit back a sample the best that everything has to offer.
I truly believe the Open Source model works better(even commercially) and I do deeply oppose "anything otherwise"(resulting in insane software patens).
Why is that only mindless groupthinking?
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Originally posted by insomnia:
I truly believe the Open Source model works better(even commercially) and I do deeply oppose "anything otherwise"(resulting in insane software patens).
Why is that only mindless groupthinking?
when you try to force it on everybody else.
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Originally posted by Sauron: Troll Warrior:
when you try to force it on everybody else.
Perhaps.
But I asked why and not when.
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resulting in insane software patents
Whether software is proprietary or open source/free software has nothing to do with patents.
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Originally posted by flap:
Whether software is proprietary or open source/free software has nothing to do with patents.
I know.
But it's the proprietarian aspect that makes some patents insane.
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Originally posted by Sauron: Troll Warrior:
when you try to force it on everybody else.
I've never seen the open source community 'force' anything on anyone. I have seen them counter the FUD spread by M$ and their so called followers, but thats about it.
If anything I see the forcing of propriatory products like m$ since they are the only ones using practices that squash innovation.
As for complaining about m$. Alot of people come here because they run m$ software and are sick of it. So they make a connection by first listing a valid complaint usually followed by the reason they use such software in the first place. Thats when we usualy respond to alternative methods.
I find that its also good to list the problems inthe m$ world to keep track of things incase an troll pops his head out once and a while. I find the facts here have come in very handy.
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Originally posted by JimmyJames: GenSTEP Founder:
Except I'm not a troll.
Except you are!
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But since all you have to do is say that somebody is...
Nope, see::
http://forum.microsuck.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=11&t=000586 (http://forum.microsuck.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=11&t=000586)
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SOLARIS IS A TROLL!!!!![/b]
Ok, so you don't even know what a troll is I see.
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Well. Lets talk proprietary software.
Autocad, which I use on a daily basis, is THE BEST drafting software i have ever used. Nothin comes close to how powerful autocad.
Revit, a powerful BIM, or building information modeler, proprietary, and fucking insanely badass. There is no open source equivilant, and I doubt that anyone could make one.
Autodesk VIZ and 3D Studio Max. You really think blender even stands up to these?
The Adobe line. GIMP sucks. Period. Adobe has created a very nice set of apps. From InDesign to Illustrator. Adobe kicks ass, and noone has been able to create opensource equals.
These are apps I use all the time to get my work done. And I use windows and OSX to run them. The world of linux offers me nothing besides apache and MySQL, which my mac handles just fine. In fact. I don't see why I even run linux as my mac can do everything I need linux to do.
I am not going to cripple myself by only using opensource software.
Proprietary != evil. I am all for the sharing of information when the situation requires it. I see no reason why photoshop should be opensource, or autocad and Viz. What could possible be gained by it? We would end up with a shitload of different distributions of similar products that will not work as well, or be as integrated. Right now, I can build a model in autocad or revit, open it in Viz for texturing and more detailed modeling, and still retain all the building information while mainting a link to the other programs. So if person C has to make some changes to the model in autocad, and I am busy adding textures and animating the scene in Viz, I don't have to start over. The updates will show up in my scene and the workflow doesnt stop. Same behavior in adobes line of software. Wht does gimp have? It doesnt even have layer grouping or layer sets, or non-destructive editing tools, or even decent masking tools.
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Hah! I knew y
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Originally posted by cahult:
Hah! I knew y
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Originally posted by xyle_one:
Let me reply to myself since I am pretty sure this is what would happen anyways-
"But open source is GOOD AND WHOLESOME like JESUS, and Bill Gates and his evil empire of proprietary demon software is SATAN!!!.[/
Nope. The usualy complaints is because windows. No matter what version is very flaky.
Curse him for not being a dirty hippy free thinking ass clown. I don't want to be locked into his proprietary system, nor do I want anyone else to be. I want them to use only LINUX AND GNU SOFTWARE because its better. Its not locking them into a system, its LIBERATING the people FROM AN EVIL DICTATOR!!!!"
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Well. It would sound something like that.
To an m$ zealot, it would sound something like that.
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In which I would reply, "OSX RULEZ, LINUX DROOLZ, ROFLMAOLAFOO!1!!1!!1!oneoneone!!!dot. Buy only mac because of FREEDOM"
To which you'd be pointed out for trolling.
And it will continue like this for 38 pages,
dunno. maby.
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resulting in me randomizing my password again, locking me out of my account,
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JimmyJames creaming at everyone for being stupid
Hes always screaming at someone. Thats what he does.
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and a few linux fags fagging up an already fag ass thread by spouting the same arguments over and over again.
I haven't seen that yet. But I have seen windows trolls do it a nuber of times.
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"Its freedom of choice." Well, Thanks to that freedom of choice, I chose OSX, Windows and alot of PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE.
Good for you.
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Stop trying to take my freedom away you godamned hippies.
What the fuck are you rambling on about? What hippy is threatninn your 'freedom.' Did one try to bust down your door or something?
[ May 19, 2004: Message edited by: xyle_one ][/b]
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
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Want to try that again without it sucking so goddamned much ;)
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Originally posted by xyle_one:
Well. Lets talk proprietary software.
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Autocad, which I use on a daily basis, is THE BEST drafting software i have ever used. Nothin comes close to how powerful autocad.
hmm. I never use autocad so....
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Revit, a powerful BIM, or building information modeler, proprietary, and fucking insanely badass. There is no open source equivilant, and I doubt that anyone could make one.
hmmm. Never used a BIM, don't intend too. Maby there isn't an open source equivilant. I really don't know since I don't use those kinds of software. Sure people could make one. If Revit can do it so can everyone else.
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Autodesk VIZ and 3D Studio Max. You really think blender even stands up to these?
Dunno, I don't use such software.
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The Adobe line. GIMP sucks. Period. Adobe has created a very nice set of apps. From InDesign to Illustrator. Adobe kicks ass, and noone has been able to create opensource equals.
Thats your opinion. But I find that the GIMP meets my needs very well.
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These are apps I use all the time to get my work done.
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And I use windows and OSX to run them.
k,
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The world of linux offers me nothing besides apache and MySQL,
hmmm. The world of windows and mac's offer me nothing but very expensive software on a half broken os.
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which my mac handles just fine.
k,
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In fact. I don't see why I even run linux as my mac can do everything I need linux to do.
?, k.
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I am not going to cripple myself by only using opensource software.
Who said anything about crippling ones self because of opensource? I use open source and I can do everything that I want.
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Proprietary != evil.
Heck no! making really bad software, forcing it on people and charging hi prices is wrong.
[quoteI am all for the sharing of information when the situation requires it. quote:
I see no reason
Same here.
why photoshop should be opensource, or autocad and Viz.
For them, as applications. A closed source situation fits them.
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What could possible be gained by it? We would end up with a shitload of different distributions of similar products that will not work as well.
How is that? We would be in the same situation as we are now when it comes to those apps. People would probably take those apps and change them to fit their own ideas and the like. If anything there would be better competition and more choice for the end user. Depending on what the end user needs are.
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or be as integrated.
Its not windows. Its an application. The only applications that intergrate into anything is Microsoft apps. The rest pritty much can stand on their own.
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Right now, I can build a model in autocad or revit, open it in Viz for texturing and more detailed modeling, and still retain all the building information while mainting a link to the other programs. So if person C has to make some changes to the model in autocad, and I am busy adding textures and animating the scene in Viz, I don't have to start over. The updates will show up in my scene and the workflow doesnt stop. Same behavior in adobes line of software. Wht does gimp have? It doesnt even have layer grouping or layer sets, or non-destructive editing tools, or even decent masking tools.[/b]
Good for you. Keep up the good work.
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Thats great that all you need is openSource apps. Yay. You win I guess :rolleyes:
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personally i use proprietary and oss.
oss is usually great for some little program like mozilla or something.
if you want a pro-quality app go proprietary.
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I thought AutoCAD (yes, AutoCAD) was pretty damn worse.
If it didn't crash at the ghey welcome screen (which you can't turn off) it didn't save your full progress. Too many fucking bugs.
On top of that, they could've saved me a lot of fucking RTFM if they just added some damn tooltips.
And yes, I'm talking about AutoCAD.
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Originally posted by Refalm:
I thought AutoCAD (yes, AutoCAD) was pretty damn worse.
If it didn't crash at the ghey welcome screen (which you can't turn off) it didn't save your full progress. Too many fucking bugs.
On top of that, they could've saved me a lot of fucking RTFM if they just added some damn tooltips.
And yes, I'm talking about AutoCAD.
I have no idea what you are talking about. The welcome screen can be turned off in options, and tooltips? They are there. Do you want some screenshots? Who uses toolbars in autocad anyways? Command line all the way.
Autocad rarely crashes on me. I can't remember the last time it did.
What version are you using?
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From Insomnia, who I don't always agree with...
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PS: Nha, Jimmy isn't a troll.
That seems like damning evidence against you, Solaris. Me and insomnia knock heads on nearly everything, but no matter how much of a verbal beating we give each other, he's still able to see the truth.
This, from The Stiller...
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jimmy just makes big replies and tells you you're an idiot. just because hes not nice to everyone doesn't mean hes a troll.
Another strike against you whiners.
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Ok, so you don't even know what a troll is I see.
And The Stiller Strikes Back with more words of wisdom for you...
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cripes you guys throw around the word troll way too much.
trolls are basicly people here who come in with the intention of fucking shit up.
Just as I've been telling you. You don't know what a troll is.
Just accept... I'M RIGHT.
YOU'RE WRONG.
Paladin, Solaris... YOU ARE THE ONES WHO ARE NOW PISSING PEOPLE OFF. Nobody agrees with you.
Oh, we, the members, also don't give a shit how many moderators agree with you. Moderators are here to serve the population of the forum... and not the other way around.
Please note that this is the truth.
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Jimmy James... well, I had to give him a troll status on some occasions, but that was because he was pissing a lot of forum members off.
I find his posts very humerous most of the time, and it would be sad if he left this forum.
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Command line all the way.
z <enter> w <enter>
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Originally posted by JimmyJames: GenSTEP Founder:
z <enter> w <enter>
hehe. 'z' spacebar, drag window. 'ze' spacebar. One hand on the keyboard, the other on the mouse. its the only way ;)
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Jimmy James... well, I had to give him a troll status on some occasions, but that was because he was pissing a lot of forum members off.
But you were always able to cite an actual trollish thing I'd done, and I couldn't argue!
Several of these guys are saying I'm a troll simply because they don't like how I talk to them. They're rude and standoffish, and when I'm snappy, they say I'm a troll.
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Originally posted by Refalm:
I find his[JimmyJames] posts very humerous most of the time, and it would be sad if he left this forum.
What do you think of that Jimmy? People are laughing at how you respond to people like an angry 10 year old. Now THAT is funny.
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Originally posted by Paladin9:
What do you think of that Jimmy? People are laughing at how you respond to people like an angry 10 year old. Now THAT is funny.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Paladin9:
What do you think of that Jimmy? People are laughing at how you respond to people like an angry 10 year old. Now THAT is funny.
hahaha, I agree! Look at the way he is responding now.
:D
Just adds to the pile of evedence to what he trully is.
(http://tongue.gif)
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Originally posted by The Stiller:
cripes you guys throw around the word troll way too much.
not really. I use it when it is fitting. In case of jimmy. yes its fitting.
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trolls are basicly people here who come in with the intention of fucking shit up.
I agree, comming on here whinning his head off because of the users is trolling.
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jimmy just makes big replies and tells you you're an idiot.
hence a troll
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just because hes not nice to everyone doesn't mean hes a troll.
correct, but the fact that he keeps rambling on like an idiot makes him one.
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Just as I've been telling you. You don't know what a troll is.
ok, lets walk through your resent post.
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Just accept... I'M RIGHT.
YOU'RE WRONG.
See: Troll!
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Paladin, Solaris... YOU ARE THE ONES WHO ARE NOW PISSING PEOPLE OFF. Nobody agrees with you.
Again. He responds like a 10 year old. So troll!
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Oh, we, the members, also don't give a shit how many moderators agree with you. Moderators are here to serve the population of the forum... and not the other way around.
A statment of ignorance and we are not even talking about Microsoft or bush. Yep troll!
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Please note that this is the truth.
Trolls wishful thinking right there. No matter what the reason, to him its the 'truth.'
Hahaha lol. He is funny at his expence though. Gotta give you that
:D
Oh it seems I STILL know what a troll is.
[ May 19, 2004: Message edited by: -=Solaris.M.K.A=- ]
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The MES does throw around the word troll far too much. If someone says something disagreeable, they are labeled a troll. Weak.
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Several of these guys are saying I'm a troll simply because they don't like how I talk to them.
You gotta give respect to get respect. If you don't want to be a troll then all you have to do is stop with the usless comments. Respect people and people will respect you.
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They're rude and standoffish
What do you expect? You come on here whinning about something or another. Then bitch when we bitch back. Why should we put up with poor social skills?
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and when I'm snappy, they say I'm a troll.
Yes, because or that very admittense. If you know you have a problem. Why don't you seek help, get on medication and then come back. That way we can have a decent conversation.
[ May 19, 2004: Message edited by: -=Solaris.M.K.A=- ]
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Originally posted by xyle_one:
The MES does throw around the word troll far too much. If someone says something disagreeable, they are labeled a troll. Weak.
Hmmm, Lets see.
I've seen the word troll used when
a.) Someone who posts stupid links. birdman99
b.) Keeps rambling on about Microsoft when there is plenty of infomation to state otherwize
e.g. Windows is stable, doesn't get any viruses, if linux was popular etc.....
kascar
c.)posts some sort or racist shit.
Great_Saten.
d.)whines their heads off about other users.
Jimmy.
f.)Posts usless unessessary ignorant shit, bush is so great, etc.....
Siplus.
All of them have a few things in commen.
They think they are automaticaly above everyone else, they always state i'm right your wrong
have some sort of challenged attitude.
have no facts to back them up.
keep repeating the same thing over and over.
[ May 19, 2004: Message edited by: -=Solaris.M.K.A=- ]
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Refalm, this is a public request to have Paladin and Solaris de-modded for unprofessional behavior :-D
My apologies to any other mod who I've disagreed with (Laukev, Xeen)... THESE guys are the problem. Refalm, if you'd really hate to see me leave, then please get back to me on this issue via IM or PM, either one.
I'm serious about this. I'm not going to take shit from a couple of overbearing assholes. Whosoever backs me up, please say so.
Oh, and guys, if you've got a problem with the way I deal with people, take it up with me. You're the ones who are acting like children here. Actions speak louder than words, kids.
The issue is clear, you think I owe you something, and when I don't kiss your ass, you call me a troll and pull this Jr. High shit. Some moderators you are.
If my being here pisses you off... then I'll stay forever.
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Originally posted by The Stiller:
oss is usually great for some little program like mozilla or something.
Yes, Mozilla is truly a very small unimportant app. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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The MES does throw around the word troll far too much. If someone says something disagreeable, they are labeled a troll. Weak.
True.
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Originally posted by JimmyJames: GenSTEP Founder:
Refalm, this is a public request to have Paladin and Solaris de-modded for unprofessional behavior :-D
My apologies to any other mod who I've disagreed with (Laukev, Xeen)... THESE guys are the problem. Refalm, if you'd really hate to see me leave, then please get back to me on this issue via IM or PM, either one.
I'm serious about this. I'm not going to take shit from a couple of overbearing assholes. Whosoever backs me up, please say so.
Oh, and guys, if you've got a problem with the way I deal with people, take it up with me. You're the ones who are acting like children here. Actions speak louder than words, kids.
The issue is clear, you think I owe you something, and when I don't kiss your ass, you call me a troll and pull this Jr. High shit. Some moderators you are.
If my being here pisses you off... then I'll stay forever.
Here, Here!
I've modded forums WAY bigger than this place. Mod's should always be objective, simply that your opinion means more. Solaris needs to accept other points of view and that they do exist. Paladin, IMO does not show Maturity in his character, that is becoming of a Mod.
Opinions are just that.
Don't force them on others in how you act and speak(type?).
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Originally posted by JimmyJames: GenSTEP Founder:
Refalm, this is a public request to have Paladin and Solaris de-modded for unprofessional behavior :-D
My apologies to any other mod who I've disagreed with (Laukev, Xeen)... THESE guys are the problem. Refalm, if you'd really hate to see me leave, then please get back to me on this issue via IM or PM, either one.
I'm serious about this. I'm not going to take shit from a couple of overbearing assholes. Whosoever backs me up, please say so.
Oh, and guys, if you've got a problem with the way I deal with people, take it up with me. You're the ones who are acting like children here. Actions speak louder than words, kids.
The issue is clear, you think I owe you something, and when I don't kiss your ass, you call me a troll and pull this Jr. High shit. Some moderators you are.
If my being here pisses you off... then I'll stay forever.
I agree 100%.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Hmmm, Lets see.
I've seen the word troll used when
a.) Someone who posts stupid links. birdman99
b.) Keeps rambling on about Microsoft when there is plenty of infomation to state otherwize
e.g. Windows is stable, doesn't get any viruses, if linux was popular etc.....
kascar
c.)posts some sort or racist shit.
Great_Saten.
d.)whines their heads off about other users.
Jimmy.
How is this trolling? It is simply showing his disagreement with other members, and last I heard, this place is all about freedom of speach. Which means he is entitled to his opinion and can voice it.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
f.)Posts usless unessessary ignorant shit, bush is so great, etc.....
Siplus.
So trying to start any discussion that you do not agree with is now trolling. Grow up.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
All of them have a few things in commen.
They think they are automaticaly above everyone else, they always state i'm right your wrong
Most of the time Jimmy is right :D
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
have some sort of challenged attitude.
have no facts to back them up.
keep repeating the same thing over and over.
Which would describe every single discussion on the forum.
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How is this trolling? It is simply showing his disagreement with other members, and last I heard, this place is all about freedom of speach. Which means he is entitled to his opinion and can voice it.
If he disagreed the no that would not be called trolling. He was whinning about other members of the forum.
So yes, he was trolling. If he as on here talking about one application vs another, thats fine. But he wasn't.
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So trying to start any discussion that you do not agree with is now trolling.
No! Trying to get attention because your not getting any at home is trolling. You can start a discussion on whatever topic you like.
You cannot, however. Post racist comments. throw wild accusations or gereraly post something that would catagorise sick behaviour.
I mentioned the bush thing because as presedents go he has caused a lot of turmoil. You can have your opinion about him, (he is so great et all.) But to state that he is doing things for the Iraqies (pleanty of information out there that state otherwize.) Is just a way to brush the fur the wrong way so to speak. Since I do know people that have been affected quite bad by that man.
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Grow up.
You see that right there! Thats trolling. Just by that statment, it shows your maturaty level. Youy could of left it at that statment above but that shust shot a hole right through it.
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Which would describe every single discussion on the forum.
? Do a search. You would see that the majority of the discussions arn't like that!
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Originally posted by Sauron: Troll Warrior:
Here, Here!
I've modded forums WAY bigger than this place.
Mod's should always be objective, simply that your opinion means more.
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Solaris needs to accept other points of view and that they do exist.
Yes, people's points of view do exist. Key words here 'points of view.'
not irrational garble.
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Paladin, IMO does not show Maturity in his character, that is becoming of a Mod.
??? Why is that because he disagrees with you? Hmm didn't you just state 5 seconds ago that people should have their own opinions?
Yep you did, yet there is that scentence.
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Opinions are just that.
I agree. Key word here Opinions!
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Don't force them on others in how you act and speak(type?).[/b]
I agree!
Thats why I'm stating the obvious.
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So telling you to grow up means I am a troll? Holy shit. I didn't know everyone here was so fucking sensitive and thin-skinned. Perhaps I should take my vulgarity elsewhere. Should have seen it coming when the site changed its name :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by JimmyJames: GenSTEP Founder:Refalm, this is a public request to have Paladin and Solaris de-modded for unprofessional behavior :-D
I was never a mod in the first place. As for 'unprofessional behaviour.' One could easily point that out in yourself.
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My apologies to any other mod who I've disagreed with (Laukev, Xeen)...
Well, at least your sayin sorry.
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THESE guys are the problem.
And how is that?
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Refalm, if you'd really hate to see me leave, then please get back to me on this issue via IM or PM, either one.
hehe
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I'm serious about this. I'm not going to take shit from a couple of overbearing assholes. Whosoever backs me up, please say so.
Of course your serious. Just like all your other posts.
If i'm overbearing then you gotta tip yourself over.
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Oh, and guys, if you've got a problem with the way I deal with people, take it up with me. You're the ones who are acting like children here. Actions speak louder than words, kids.
I am and your the only one thats STILL going off like a cannon. so the 'acting like children' statment still belongs to you.
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The issue is clear, you think I owe you something.
nope.
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and when I don't kiss your ass, you call me a troll
No, I call you a troll for postsing idiotic posts by complaining of other users.
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and pull this Jr. High shit.
What jr high shit? Stop ranting like a child.
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Some moderators you are.
well, i'm not a mod so no worries there.
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If my being here pisses you off... then I'll stay forever.
being here or not isn't gonna change who you are.
So stay, go thats totaly up to you. I'll just get a good laugh out of it once in a while.
So much for it being dead around here. I'd say things are quite alive judging by the above posts.
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Originally posted by xyle_one:
So telling you to grow up means I am a troll?
No. but that is a troll statment.
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Holy shit. I didn't know everyone here was so fucking sensitive and thin-skinned. Perhaps I should take my vulgarity elsewhere. Should have seen it coming when the site changed its name :rolleyes:
ok Perhaps you should if thats all you can post
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
No. but that is a troll statment.
No its not.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
ok Perhaps you should if thats all you can post
Search my post history for the last 2 years dude :rolleyes:
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If he disagreed the no that would not be called trolling. He was whinning about other members of the forum.
So yes, he was trolling.
You're now whining about me. You're a troll.
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You see that right there! Thats trolling.
So now, saying anything ABOUT a person is trolling? Wow, that means you've been doing some serious trolling in this thread, boy.
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Just by that statment, it shows your maturaty level.
Ah! I see, so it IS a superiority thing. You want to use "troll" to show someone who is lesser than you, and you're using "maturaty" (the word is maturity, you illiterate putz) to determine who is a "troll".
Guess what, I'm making up a new definition for troll. Anybody that is Solaris or Paladin is a "troll".
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Youy could of left it at that statment above but that shust shot a hole right through it.
You could have not flailed your hands about and bashed your keyboard, and instead, actually typed. You didn't, though. You talk about maturity, and then you spew these quickly hacked-together whinefests.
Allright. I'll say it clear.
It is not your place to judge the actions of others.
Is that mature and simple and polite enough for the likes of you? I'm sorry if I don't bow down and snap to your every command, oh great and worshipful ones.
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Originally posted by JimmyJames: GenSTEP Founder:
Refalm, this is a public request to have Paladin and Solaris de-modded for unprofessional behavior :-D
My apologies to any other mod who I've disagreed with (Laukev, Xeen)... THESE guys are the problem. Refalm, if you'd really hate to see me leave, then please get back to me on this issue via IM or PM, either one.
I'm serious about this. I'm not going to take shit from a couple of overbearing assholes. Whosoever backs me up, please say so.
Oh, and guys, if you've got a problem with the way I deal with people, take it up with me. You're the ones who are acting like children here. Actions speak louder than words, kids.
The issue is clear, you think I owe you something, and when I don't kiss your ass, you call me a troll and pull this Jr. High shit. Some moderators you are.
If my being here pisses you off... then I'll stay forever.
Unprofessional? Since when are we expected to act professional on some internet forum?
I can tell that my last post really pissed you off. Normally I do not want to piss off people here, but I no longer really care what you think, Jimmy. You are now just that member that always bitches to people when they disagree with you, and other members here laugh at you when you do that. :D
At first I did want to see you leave, but now I am starting to see the humor in it all. Please stay.
Oh, and I want to mention that I DO NOT think that siplus is a troll. Solaris, just becuase he disagree's with you does not make him a troll. At least he does not mouth off to you and call you a moron or whatever like another member here COUGH:Jimmy:COUGH
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Originally posted by JimmyJames: GenSTEP Founder:
It is not your place to judge the actions of others.
Oh, so this does not apply to you?
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Originally posted by Paladin9:
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Unprofessional? Since when are we expected to act professional on some internet forum?
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Originally posted by Paladin9:
Unprofessional? Since when are we expected to act professional on some internet forum?
when you Moderate the discussions in it.
and this quote is evidence of when I said Paladin acts immature in his character
if you want to know what a troll actually is, think back to rkmaster. he was a proper troll.
[ May 19, 2004: Message edited by: Sauron: Troll Warrior ]
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Do not post anything as it will upset someone and you will be labeled a troll.
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Originally posted by Sauron: Troll Warrior:
and this quote is evidence of when I said Paladin acts immature in his character
if you want to know what a troll actually is, think back to rkmaster. he was a proper troll.
You really think I am immature? More so then Jimmy? I recall others(do not remember who) considering you a toll.
Honestly, I am getting sick and tired of using the word "troll". Doesnt anyone else feel that way too?
It looks like all we are doing now is arguing who is a troll and who isnt. Why dont we just all forget everything and start acting normal?
[ May 19, 2004: Message edited by: Paladin9 ]
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Originally posted by Paladin9:
You really think I am immature? More so then Jimmy? I recall others(do not remember who) considering you a toll.
Honestly, I am getting sick and tired of using the word "troll". Doesnt anyone else feel that way too?
It looks like all we are doing now is arguing who is a troll and who isnt. Why dont we just all forget everything and start acting normal?
[ May 19, 2004: Message edited by: Paladin9 ]
How about we use the word asshole instead?
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One question.
I am indifferent to the OS Game, I use what works best in that particular situation.
I've only ever come to the defence to even things out a bit, stop warrantless OS bashing from any side. If somebody said something about linux that was untrue, I would correct them.
Why does that make me a troll?
What happened to fuckMicrosoft.com?
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by the way, i agree with jimmy on the paladin/solaris thing.
i think we should bring back the old MES anti-asshole squad. or whatever it was called
[ May 19, 2004: Message edited by: The Stiller ]
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Originally posted by The Stiller:
by the way, i agree with jimmy on the paladin/solaris thing.
i think we should bring back the old MES anti-asshole squad. or whatever it was called
Whatever. But I am not a troll! Geez...
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Yeah. You are.
[ May 20, 2004: Message edited by: JimmyJames: GenSTEP Founder ]
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Originally posted by Paladin9:
Whatever. But I am not a troll! Geez...
who called you a troll
from now on every time you say troll i think you should have to cut off a finger
starting now
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Originally posted by The Stiller:
who called you a troll
Jimmy said I should no longer be a mod, and you agreed. This would only be done to a mod who starts being a troll. I and certianly not a troll.
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from now on every time you say troll i think you should have to cut off a finger
starting now
Uh... right, whatever.
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You're now whining about me. You're a troll.
Whats to whine about.
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So now, saying anything ABOUT a person is trolling? Wow, that means you've been doing some serious trolling in this thread, boy.
No. Saying absoulte bullshit about a person, or anyone for that matter is trolling.
And no have't been trolling.
If I was i'd say something like Jimmy james is a moron because he likes windows.
Now that is a troll scentense. I used your name. Stated you liked something and therefore......
Its a scentence that will grab you to bring attention. This is put when you didn't even post anything closly relevent to that scentense. I just pulled it out of thing air. Hence BS!
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Ah! I see, so it IS a superiority thing. You want to use "troll" to show someone who is lesser than you,
No. I used the word troll in your case because it fit.
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and you're using "maturaty" (the word is maturity, you illiterate putz)
I've left something out. Trolls always go on about grammar. Its something to latch onto to exape the topic or divert attention.
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to determine who is a "troll".
There really isn't anything to 'determine.' If you post an idiot thread like 'where's the beef.'
It explains alot to who you are.
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Guess what, I'm making up a new definition for troll. Anybody that is Solaris or Paladin is a "troll".
Yep. Just confirmed it again. Troll!
But I agree with Paladin9. Hehe we are no fighting on what a troll is.
A troll can be by definniton a fable charecter. One that hides under bridges and only comes out when someone comes to pass on that bridge.
Another troll can be definned by that of an action. Trolling by the side of a river.
The internet definition of a troll is similar to that of the fable. Usualy one who seeks attention, who is grossly misinformend or causes trouble.
Every community has one and there is even more on the real world highways.
A troll would usualy register to a forum and the go against the main topic of the community. The troll usualy sputs off endless rants to ruffle feathers in the community so he can achive the attention that he is looking for. This is why most trolls are found to be misinformed or lacking with any real information
Take MES for exsample. Most trolls that past through here really don't care what OS they use. They pick on users to get them upset by stating obvious fiction and placing them as facts. This goes with that "I know it all attitude." Most of the times trolls will go to posting completly irrelevent facts or divert attention by pointing out grammer. Most trolls are very dull. Thus the term 'troll' fits. They usualy repeat themselves or go down to name calling.
The above is just a given for an average troll.
Its easy not to be a troll. Just stop being one. Post things relevent topics with relevent answers. Not the same old rhetoric that has been disprooven over and over again.
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The problem I see when it comes to m$ trolls is that the company themselves uses alot of FUD and alot of people take that as the gosbel truth.
M$ is a great FUD machine. The've been doing it for a long time. So people out there would follow them. But I find that when it comes to computing you really can't hide the facts of instability and insecurity. Even really good marketing has a hard time covering up really obvious shit.
I agree that I do loose my cool when it comes to bush. The main reason for this is that alot of people have been hurt by him and his goverment. More than trolling. I can not for the life of me see someone stating that bush is right.
Thus I made a joke in my first posts about the hitler thing. Because it WOULD be like me turing around and stating in fact that the whole hitler thing just didn't exist. That would be pritty stupid of me, no less unhuman. The fact is lots of people have suffered under that man just as people suffer under bush. Neather is right. Its un-human!
People can have opinions. But it crossess the line when you post something that really has no relevence, like whinning about MES users, posting 'facts' that have already been discounted, not just by us but by the world as well, or racism and hate.
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To give an exsample
The Stiller posted that Adobe is a great graphics program, I disagreed because I think the GIMP is. Thats fine because that is an opinion.
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However, what really riles us up, going with your example, is when someone says something to the effect of that we can't use Adobe, because it is closed-source, and that The GIMP is automagically better, because it is Open-Source.
thats what gets people like me, Ecsyle, and Jimmy pissed off, and ignites a flamewar.
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Originally posted by Sauron: Troll Warrior:
However, what really riles us up, going with your example, is when someone says something to the effect of that we can't use Adobe, because it is closed-source, and that The GIMP is automagically better, because it is Open-Source.
thats what gets people like me, Ecsyle, and Jimmy pissed off, and ignites a flamewar.
Agreed.
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Originally posted by Sauron: Troll Warrior:
However, what really riles us up, going with your example, is when someone says something to the effect of that we can't use Adobe, because it is closed-source, and that The GIMP is automagically better, because it is Open-Source.
thats what gets people like me, Ecsyle, and Jimmy pissed off, and ignites a flamewar.
But I haven't. You can use whatever you want. I perfer the gimp, but thats me. Open or not I like the gimp. If you like Adobe, sure, thats your opinion.
:D
Hmmm, wer're making head way. Good stuff!
I agree. Just because its open-source does not mean thats all you should use and nothing else. far from it. I fell in love with Linux, not because its open-source but because its the first OS I can do stuff with without constantly tweeking it or repairing it.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
But I haven't. You can use whatever you want. I perfer the gimp, but thats me. Open or not I like the gimp. If you like Adobe, sure, thats your opinion.
:D
Hmmm, wer're making head way. Good stuff!
I agree. Just because its open-source does not mean thats all you should use and nothing else. far from it. I fell in love with Linux, not because its open-source but because its the first OS I can do stuff with without constantly tweeking it or repairing it.
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Yes. I have found I like the tweaking though, as I learn about the internals of the OS, and It can come in handy if something breaks. Thats my opinion, and only mine.
My beef is with those that wish to make this site from a anti-ms site, to a anti-"everything but linux" site. I HATE to see any OS be bashed without justification. If I do see it, many times I step in and TRY to correct it peacefully. I start to flame when I get flamed.
I live by the converse of the Golden Rule.
I never said it was you doing that, but there are those here, i'm not giving names out, who do try and force OSS on people, because it is OSS. which is deeply annoying.
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I do not care much about if something is open source, but I do like a program is it is designed well. I consider Photoshop one program that is really good. I do not like to use Gimp just becuase it is another program I would have to learn, however I have to give it credit for being free and open source, while photoshop is like a million dollars.
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Solaris: SHUT THE FUCK UP
I'm with Jimmy on this one, you're stirrig up shit - go do your homework or something productive.
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Somewhere in the mac section Refalm said himself that Sauron is a troll. So there you have it. Refalm is the "Boss".
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Originally posted by Tux:
Solaris: SHUT THE FUCK UP
I'm with Jimmy on this one, you're stirrig up shit - go do your homework or something productive.
? Take your own advice on that. Do something productive.
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Originally posted by Sauron: Troll Warrior:
Yes. I have found I like the tweaking though, as I learn about the internals of the OS, and It can come in handy if something breaks. Thats my opinion, and only mine.
My beef is with those that wish to make this site from a anti-ms site, to a anti-"everything but linux" site. I HATE to see any OS be bashed without justification. If I do see it, many times I step in and TRY to correct it peacefully. I start to flame when I get flamed.
I live by the converse of the Golden Rule.
I never said it was you doing that, but there are those here, i'm not giving names out, who do try and force OSS on people, because it is OSS. which is deeply annoying.
I 100% agree!
:D
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
bleh
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Try clicking this sometime.
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I don't agree with sauron.
IMO supplying all sources does make an app better.
Since you keep bashing OSS without any reasons you don't seem to accept other opinions yourself.
PS: You also never make a difference between OSS an FSF...why is that?
[ May 20, 2004: Message edited by: insomnia ]
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Originally posted by insomnia:
I don't agree with sauron.
IMO supplying all sources does make an app better.
Since you keep bashing OSS without any reasons you don't seem to accept other opinions yourself.
PS: You also never make a difference between OSS an FSF...why is that?
[ May 20, 2004: Message edited by: insomnia ]
It would only make it better if whomever was looking the source actually knew what they were looking at, and actually spent time to make it better. Otherwise, its a waste of time. I have no need for the source. I don't know what Im looking at, and don't really care. If it is getting the job done, then I am happy.
The actual value of that software doesn't change to me if I have the source or not.
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Originally posted by xyle_one:
It would only make it better if whomever was looking the source actually knew what they were looking at, and actually spent time to make it better. Otherwise, its a waste of time. I have no need for the source. I don't know what Im looking at, and don't really care. If it is getting the job done, then I am happy.
The actual value of that software doesn't change to me if I have the source or not.
OK.
But that doesn't count for everyone.
If you can't read it, you can't use it.
Still, it can't harm you either.
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Originally posted by insomnia:
OK.
But that doesn't count for everyone.
If you can't read it, you can't use it.
Still, it can't harm you either.
;)
I just want to make something clear. I am a supporter of free software and open source. Just because I use and prefer to use closed source apps, does not mean I am by any means against the movement. If you remember correctly. I was one of the first to suggest the openopen project, even if Aaron was alot more vocal about it. Do a search, i am too lazy to look it up. Anyways. Im rambling. I am all for it. After reading about stalman(sp) and the ideals behind open source and free software, i have decided that the GPL is one of the most important documents in modern history. Right up there with the USAs Bill of Rights. Protection of information by making it accesible by everyone in every form. I could be wrong though...
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Originally posted by xyle_one:
I just want to make something clear. I am a supporter of free software and open source. Just because I use and prefer to use closed source apps, does not mean I am by any means against the movement. If you remember correctly. I was one of the first to suggest the openopen project, even if Aaron was alot more vocal about it. Do a search, i am too lazy to look it up. Anyways. Im rambling. I am all for it. After reading about stalman(sp) and the ideals behind open source and free software, i have decided that the GPL is one of the most important documents in modern history. Right up there with the USAs Bill of Rights. Protection of information by making it accesible by everyone in every form. I could be wrong though...
Here here! :D
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