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Miscellaneous => The Lounge => Topic started by: creedon on 27 August 2002, 19:47
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As all older men seem to, I suffer from high blood pressure; I also suffer from peripheral arterial disease. I've had a (minor) stroke, and arterial graft surgery.
One of the things my doctor has advised me to do is vent my frustrations, and our buddy, www.unixucks.com (http://www.unixucks.com) 'nee Gregory Suvalin, has allowed me to pop off several times.
I, personally, welcome a stone-brained, knuckle dragging, microcephalic, misanthropic, genetic dead-end like him; they make me feel so much better when I vent my spleen. I look forward to each of his illiterate, rambling, biased, inane dribblings of his unstructured mind, expressing his invalid opinions about something that he (admittedly!) knows nothing about. I really hope that he continues to post to this forum, and that he never becomes aware of what a complete fool we all think he is.
AHHHH.....that's better!!!
PLEASE NOTE: no profanity was used in the text of this post.
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Well thanks a lot for this inside of me.
You are still pissed off that I showed everybody that you were using IE on Win98, don't you?
I'm sorry.
You are trying to insult me? Do you REALLY THINK that I care about such imbiciles as you which resort to personal insults when they have nothing to say?
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Originally posted by www.unixsucks.com: (http://www.unixsucks.com:)
Well thanks a lot for this inside of me.
You are still pissed off that I showed everybody that you were using IE on Win98, don't you?
I'm sorry.
You are trying to insult me? Do you REALLY THINK that I care about such imbiciles as you which resort to personal insults when they have nothing to say?
OH, JOY!!!! The idiotic response I hoped for, my day is made.
RE: My use of IE5
What the fuck make you think that your opinion about ANYTHING I do has the slighest meaning for me!?!? If you burst into flames, I wouldn't piss on you to put the fire out!!!
I'm assuming, like a large part of the Russian expatriate community, you weren't tough enough to survive in a new society, so you cme to MY country to earn a living; well, learn your place, asshole; show some respect for your betters. Listen close, you'll be hearing this a LOT "Gregory, cleanup in asile 5, and get the carts out of the parking lot"!!
EAT A POUND OF FUCK, ASSHOLE!!!
Man, my pressure dropped 5 points!!!
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You shall be one hell of an angry old man. I really don't envy your grand children.
What makes you so angry? That somebody expressed his own opinion? Is not what this is all country is about?
Well please continue being pissed off.
P.S. And you remark about my origin shall go to that people who accussed me being a racist, please now tear up this asshole as well. Being all non-biased as you claim to be you are supposed to do that, don't you?
And you old man, I have accomplished in my life more then average american and I'm not done yet (as you are).
[ August 27, 2002: Message edited by: http://www.unixsucks.com ]
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Originally posted by www.unixsucks.com: (http://www.unixsucks.com:)
You shall be one hell of an angry old man. I really don't envy your grand children.
What makes you so angry? That somebody expressed his own opinion? Is not what this is all country is about?
Well please continue being pissed off.
I've been an angry old/young man all my life. Blind stupidity does that to me.
You may rest assured that, as long as regressions like you are loose without a keeper, I'll remain pissed off.
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As all older men seem to, I suffer from high blood pressure; I also suffer from peripheral arterial disease. I've had a (minor) stroke, and arterial graft surgery.
I keep forgetting that MSE is remarkably old compared to other online communities. Time to hit the weightroom eh? ;)
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I, personally, welcome a stone-brained, knuckle dragging, microcephalic, misanthropic, genetic dead-end like him; they make me feel so much better when I vent my spleen. I look forward to each of his illiterate, rambling, biased, inane dribblings of his unstructured mind, expressing his invalid opinions about something that he (admittedly!) knows nothing about. I really hope that he continues to post to this forum, and that he never becomes aware of what a complete fool we all think he is.
How dare you say stoner brain! Marijuanna r0x0rs. Diss something like crack, meth etc. (http://smile.gif)
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PLEASE NOTE: no profanity was used in the text of this post.
Starts rapping "Fucked up song" by Limp Bizkit, which boasts over 45 "fucks". (http://smile.gif)
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jeez that's pretty serious, are you enormously overweight?
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How dare you say stoner brain! Marijuanna r0x0rs. Diss something like crack, meth etc
He actualy said stone-brain, not stonER-brain. But I do agree with you, their isint anything wrong with smoking weed if thats what you want to do.
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Starts rapping "Fucked up song" by Limp Bizkit, which boasts over 45 "fucks".
But one thing I highly disagree with is limb bizkit, I hate those guys, their music sucks, so please refrain from "rapping" their songs. :D Im not trying to flame or anything I just really hate limp bizkit.
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way to go creedon, let it out
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fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck?
fuck fuck?
fuck.... microsoft?
fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck microsoft.
fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck stone-brain.
please note: fuck used in this post.
---drools on self---
i enjoy the flames from the microsoft morons. palladium morons especially.
is this guy a blast from the past or is he new?
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He actualy said stone-brain, not stonER-brain. But I do agree with you, their isint anything wrong with smoking weed if thats what you want to do.
My bad. /lights joint
It's a fucked up OS that's a fucked up mess, a fucked up corp with a fucked up dork. A fucked up crash that makes a fucked up smash, a fucked up turtle with a fucked up shell, a fucked up shell that's a fucked up hell. :D
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Originally posted by Chooco:
jeez that's pretty serious, are you enormously overweight?
6'5" @ 270 lbs; most people find that to be overweight when I'm standing on their chest, pissing in their eye >J/K<
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Stop it creedon! My busted shoulder can't take it when I laugh that hard!
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5'9" 220lbs. I believe im 28% body fat. Now Creedon is alot taller then me. Question is, who is more fat and more fit? Well I fancy myself as "fat, but not as unfit as the standard 220lb tubby", I beleive my waist measures 43".
HOLY SHIT! Creedon is 55! He's old enough to be my dad! Well being 38 years younger must help alot.
[ August 28, 2002: Message edited by: lazygamer ]
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haha 6'5" 270?
charles barkley sized.
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ok, but that russian remark was racist, and sarcasm or not, racism is not good, and personally i don't think it belongs here, even in the lounge.
this time it wasn't hurtful, and i suspect was tongue in cheek, but if i was here more often i'd be watching for racist remarks and dealing them a heavy hand. i still mod this forum, and if racism, or gay bashing, or sexism or whatever comes up and i see it, then 'FUCK'. that's all i can say........
Oh yes, and to get back on track, yes, i think 'unixsucks.com'... SUCKS! (http://honeybug.com/forums/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif)
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Rascist Russian remark? Didn't notice one.
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Originally posted by lazygamer:
Rascist Russian remark? Didn't notice one.
Yeah, and it was ill-considered. I didn't intend it to sound the way it came out, but after re-reading it, I'm not real proud of it. I STILL don't consider it Racist per se, but more a reflection on ethnicity (Russia, like the US is multi-racial society), but it was a hurtful remark.
BUT, it's OK; I think I insulted that Bolshevik asshole right out of the forum. Im not proud of the remark, and I may have lost a venting target, but I'm sure that some other micro-cephalic Windows user will crawl out from under his rock and make some monumentally stupid remark; I'll be on him like stink on shit!!
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Damn it creedon! I wanted to take credit for ousting that panty waste. Can we at least share? But you *are* a little bigger'n me, and I *do* have a busted up shoulder at the moment so if you want to claim all of the credit, that can be arranged...
[ August 29, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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Hey creedon, what the hell do you think you'll accomplish by making such racist remarks? How the hell did you come up with the idea that Russia is a multiracial society? Do you know what a Bolshevik is? I'm not trying to start a war with you but I hate racists! What troubles me most though is that only Calum noticed it!
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What the fuck make you think that your opinion about ANYTHING I do has the slighest meaning for me!?!? If you burst into flames, I wouldn't piss on you to put the fire out!!!
I'm assuming, like a large part of the Russian expatriate community, you weren't tough enough to survive in a new society, so you cme to MY country to earn a living; well, learn your place, asshole; show some respect for your betters. Listen close, you'll be hearing this a LOT "Gregory, cleanup in asile 5, and get the carts out of the parking lot"!!
Oh, I missed this. What does expatriate mean? Are you refering to that communist take over in Russia? Woulden't he be too young for the joke to be semi-realistic? (http://smile.gif)
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actually www.unixsucks.com (http://www.mandrake.com) noticed it before i did.
[edit - got there first! i was replying to pantso's post there! (http://tongue.gif) ]
however i am fairly sure that creedon is not a racist, however everybody is prone to making the odd non PC remark, however you know we must remember that everything we type here on the forums is more or less set in stone! so it is easy to come off as saying something you didn't actually mean.
The russian one is a little sticky since historically many USA people have been racist against the russians and since so many USA people populate the internet it has become a "thing".
I said that not even bothering to check if creedon is from the US, and i must say, creedon, no offence intended to you, i know you are not a racist (i think!) however i hate those prejudiced bastards too...
[ August 29, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
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Calumn, don't confuse racism toward Russian people with being against the old communist Russian government. I don't believe race had much to do with anything there (I was in the USAF during the cold war stationed in Germany when the wall came down). I don't remember any of my buddies making racist Russian remarks nor had anything against the Russian people. Now sure the term "commie" floated around. Correct me if I am wrong but that is not a racist remark. It is a remark against a governmental persuasion.
And I knew many people of Russian and Polish decent and they were treated no differently than people of any other decent. In fact MOST Americans are decendants from Europe and other countries (most of my family came from Germany, Prussia, and a few others around 100 years ago, not that long). In fact it isn't much different than using the term "Nazi". I use that term often but I am not referring to Germans when I use it, hell I am 3/4 German. I am referring to the practices not the race.
The worst racism in America is probably toward African American people and Mexican people to a lesser extent. Now it isn't nearly as bad as it once was and I have hope that it will be a non-issue in the near future. Of course it is unlikely that racism can be wiped out completely.
[ August 29, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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Originally posted by lazygamer:
Oh, I missed this. What does expatriate mean? Are you refering to that communist take over in Russia? Woulden't he be too young for the joke to be semi-realistic? (http://smile.gif)
Now, now, now, so we are good at computers but not at english hey (http://smile.gif)
Well an expatriate is somebody who has left there country/homeland to take residence elsewhere (a foreign country to them).
In England we often abbreviate expatriate to Ex-pat.
[ August 29, 2002: Message edited by: Tux ]
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for fucks sake pantso, shove your bleeding heart up your ass
the remark was not racist, and he FUCKING APOLOGIZED ANYWAY
the ironic "i hate racists" remark could be considered offensive to racists in a pc environment
and allow me to reiterate... pantso, piss off you cunt--dig the sand out of your clit and find something important to get your panties in a bunch over
i dont tolerate racism, but i read the thread to which i am posting first, and the droning further ostrecization and hazing of a person for an ACCIDENTAL slip-up just made you look like an ass!
now talk to us about the scurge of bill gates, the social inequities world wide, or ACTUAL racism, and maybe i wont go off on you
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okay, that was over the top, sorry
but your innane remarks were over the top too pantso
--and i dont take too kindly to your bashing a respectable member of our little community here.
but really, he apologized, it was an accident, and i noticed it but took it for what he actually meant... calum's post was not critical, but constructive, and responsibly elicited an apology.
you ARE trying to start a war
go find a real racist... would you stand up?
[ August 29, 2002: Message edited by: sporkme / bob ]
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www.unixsucks.com (http://www.unixsucks.com) - Please learn how to speak proper English before formally bashing something, especially the difference between "this" and "these".
Thanks,
Dustin
For Example:
Which of the following business you would consider small business? Microsoft, Barnes and Noble, Dell, NASDAQ, GeoTrust, Intel, CDW. I can go on and on and on.
Do you think if this companies trusted Microsoft why can not you and your company?
Now, do you really want to trust this people to manage your UNIX network?
First lets me remind you dear reader that UNIX Worshippers usually confuse operating system with an application.
Becouse Microsoft being stupid put all capabilities of IIS in default installation.
>Didn't we all learn the difference between "this" and "these" in second grade? I wouldn't attack him if he made 1 or 2 mistakes, but THEY ARE ALL OVER THE SITE! No self-respecting business owner could possibly consider this useful and factual information.
[ August 29, 2002: Message edited by: The_Muffin_Man/ Dustin /B0b ]
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it is a terribly designed website with awful code and even worse english
linuxsucks is hilarious tho.. the shoud off is nothing but pro-linux posts because... NO ONE SUPPORTS M$
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Sporkme/bob, thank you for your "constructive" post. I really thought that an intelligent person like you or anyone else in here (equally intelligent as you)would resort in some more constructive arguments to answer to my post, like Calum for example.
As you may have understood, I'm not here to insult people (unlike some others), but to try and express my arguments as clearly as possible. I'm also here to try and help as many people as possible to live without M$. But that doesn't mean that I won't stand up even for M$ supporters when I see that they are being bluntly insulted on a personal or even racial level. To your disappointment, I've taken part in many rallies and protests against racism. And yes I've stood up against racists! I've thrown stones and molotov bombs against racist groups! Talk about making a stand hah?
P.S. Do you know what a Bolshevik is?
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Originally posted by Pantso:
Sporkme/bob, thank you for your "constructive" post. I really thought that an intelligent person like you or anyone else in here (equally intelligent as you)would resort in some more constructive arguments to answer to my post, like Calum for example.
As you may have understood, I'm not here to insult people (unlike some others), but to try and express my arguments as clearly as possible. I'm also here to try and help as many people as possible to live without M$. But that doesn't mean that I won't stand up even for M$ supporters when I see that they are being bluntly insulted on a personal or even racial level. To your disappointment, I've taken part in many rallies and protests against racism. And yes I've stood up against racists! I've thrown stones and molotov bombs against racist groups! Talk about making a stand hah?
P.S. Do you know what a Bolshevik is?
Number one; I don't have any problem with you considering my remark racist, but I'd like you to re-read my post that clatified the remark- I was not making a statement about his race, it was his national origin- as far as I know, that's NOT racist.
Number two; I DON'T condone racisim in any way whatsoever; I don't like the idea that you could typify ANYONE by skin color; here in the United States, we went through, and are GOING through a period where there was great tension between races. It's never done any American any good, no matter what their color.
Number three; Yes, I do know what a Bolshivek is; I also know what a Menshevek is; do you? Do you know who Alixsander Kerensky was? I met him in 1962.
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I'm waiting........................
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Creedon I owe you an apology for my first post because I misread the one where you clarify your remarks. No insult intended, really. I know you're not a racist, so using this word was a bit harsh on you. Again I apologize to you but I've seen a lot of injustice against people from other countries, so I guess that makes me a bit jumpy and hot-headed sometimes. As for sporkme/bob, he didn't have to use that kind of language against me ;)
P.S. I'm really happy that you know the meaning of the words Bolshevik and Menshevik.
[ August 30, 2002: Message edited by: Pantso ]
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You've met Aleksandr Kerenski? You must have met him in the U.S. Tell me more about that!
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Originally posted by Pantso:
You've met Aleksandr Kerenski? You must have met him in the U.S. Tell me more about that![/QUOTE
I was in High School, on a field trip to New York City. He was at the United Nations Plaza, and our teacher recognized him; she went up to him and explained we were history students, and he came over and spoke to us, and introduced himself to each of us; a very nice gentleman that history has given less credit than he deserved. He told us that we were living in a time where we had to know history to understand the present; he didn't speak of the Russian revolution, but he looked rather sad when he spoke about the lessons of history.
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Now, now, now, so we are good at computers but not at english hey
Well... once in awhile I come across these wierd English words. Although I speak/write pretty good English. I remember yesterday I was looking at this site called Virtual Naval Hospital, which is sorta like an online medic's handbook. Never before had I seen so many bizarre words I've never heard of. ;)
Oh im not sure im so good at computers. Im far better then a mass market outhouse resident, but I have much to learn.
Ok let's get back to discussing cool things. Like is Creedon a huge tub of lard, very big boned/lots of muscle under fat, or a little of both. (http://smile.gif)
Or what about this. Why is MSE the only technical place on the internet where you come across droves of old people. :D
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Ok let's get back to discussing cool things. Like is Creedon a huge tub of lard, very big boned/lots of muscle under fat, or a little of both. (http://smile.gif) :D [/QB]
40 years of splitting firewood, plowing, pulling stumps, etc, etc; you tell me.
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by pantso:
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I've thrown stones and molotov bombs against racist groups!
ohhh, that is quite constructive! even more so than bad language!
like it or not (i don't like it), the KKK is allowed to hold peaceful rallies here, in a free country, and you would have been arrested for assault/attempted murder there... it is the politically correct thing to do.
it really pissed me off that you got all pissed off... i'll drop it now, but dont harp on people for making an accidental remark that could be skewed as non-pc... this is one of the most politically incorrect boards out there
also, i insult everyone, so it was no special prevailage
and i apologize
[ August 31, 2002: Message edited by: sporkme / bob ]
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Oohh! And I suppose that you, my American friend, will teach me the meaning of the term "politically correct". Tell me, is it politically correct to bomb countries and innocent people all over the world in the name of world peace? Who are you to decide what is for the world's benefit when at the same time your government decides not to participate in the world enviromental summit? Do you know that your country pollutes the enviroment with rates three times higher than the rest of the world? Is that politically correct?
When I said that I've thrown molotov bombs against racists, I meant that I've come head to head with them. And believe me, it's the racists groups that are more provocative. And don't try to tell me that the KKK holds peaceful rallies where you come from. We all know what the KKK did in the 50's and 60's against black people under the tolerance of the authorities.
Please don't talk to me about what is politically correct and not. I come from the country who gave birth to the term democracy. You know the term which your country abuses on a daily basis (http://tongue.gif)
P.S. Read some history you uneducated southern piece of shit (to speak in your language a bit). Did you know that your great country was founded by Europe's criminals and outcasts? Go on you mindless fuck (oops, that slipped my tongue), do you think that you're in some way superior just by being american? Fuck off, you and those like you who try to preach us about political correctness.
P.S.2 Thanks to creedon, I'm starting to change my mind about most americans.
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Let me sort this out...
You two, stop argueing like kids.
Sporkme - Stop pissing him off.
Pantso - No need to bring the american government into this. (Much as it infuriates me)
and here's three facts:
Racism sucks
Indiana isn't actually a southern state (I think)
We should not argue
[ September 02, 2002: Message edited by: Tux ]
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Originally posted by Pantso:
Oohh! And I suppose that you, my American friend, will teach me the meaning of the term "politically correct". Tell me, is it politically correct to bomb countries and innocent people all over the world in the name of world peace? Who are you to decide what is for the world's benefit when at the same time your government decides not to participate in the world enviromental summit? Do you know that your country pollutes the enviroment with rates three times higher than the rest of the world? Is that politically correct?
When I said that I've thrown molotov bombs against racists, I meant that I've come head to head with them. And believe me, it's the racists groups that are more provocative. And don't try to tell me that the KKK holds peaceful rallies where you come from. We all know what the KKK did in the 50's and 60's against black people under the tolerance of the authorities.
Please don't talk to me about what is politically correct and not. I come from the country who gave birth to the term democracy. You know the term which your country abuses on a daily basis (http://tongue.gif)
P.S. Read some history you uneducated southern piece of shit (to speak in your language a bit). Did you know that your great country was founded by Europe's criminals and outcasts? Go on you mindless fuck (oops, that slipped my tongue), do you think that you're in some way superior just by being american? Fuck off, you and those like you who try to preach us about political correctness.
P.S.2 Thanks to creedon, I'm starting to change my mind about most americans.
Pantso, my friend, you have to understand that the United States is rapidly becoming a fragmented society; we are a sick old man, like Turkey and the Ottoman empire at the end of the 19th century. Our great days are behind us; we still have the might to threaten the rest of the world, but not the will. Our generous spirit still exists in a large segment of the population, but that's not the segment that's in control; it's the money interests that control the United States now. We've gone from "How can I help you?" to "What's in it for me?" I'm sure that evntually, the U.S. will no longer be the main superpower in the world; we'll just be a fading corner of the world community, kind of like the old man that rages and blusters from his wheelchair.
If we do attack Iraq, we may get our nose badly bloodied. We most definitly will have to contend with a Muslim world that hates us; I don't know if we can.
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Tux, you're right. As far as I'm concerned this thing is over. I don't like resorting in bad language and in general I don't loose my temper easily as long as some don't infuriate me by being provocative.
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Creedon hi, I didn't see your post. I shouldn't have concluded the U.S government in this but I was in a way provoked to do so. I don't have anything against Americans. In fact I have many American friends here in Athens (we have a big american community) and I also have relatives in the States. I just don't like people preaching about what's politically correct and not, let alone swearing. That's all.
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I have nothing against Americians, I greatly respect their love for Firearms and want all you rednecks to know that ya gotta fight for this right, cuz there's one too many stupid shitheads who don't like it...
Although I do like to make fun of Americans not being as smart as Canadians etc.
What I DO hate is the American government. Their the bad guys IMO.
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like it or not (i don't like it), the KKK is allowed to hold peaceful rallies here, in a free country, and you would have been arrested for assault/attempted murder there... it is the politically correct thing to do.
I don't like it either, but democracy works like this. Our best protection against a Nazi regime, is to allow Neo-Nazi's to beleive what they beleive and hold peaceful rallies, as long as they don't harm anyone. If the government/police has enough power to disperse a neo-nazi rally because they don't agree with that belief, then the government/police have too much power. Ok but Neo-Nazi's=bad right? How many conservative loo-sahs would regard rallies for gays(I don't like them, but it's a free country), abortion, freedom of expression etc. as evil and bad? If the police/government can disperse the peaceful Neo-Nazi rally, they can just as easily disperse gay, abortion, freedom of expression rallies etc.
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democracy doesn't work, i'm afraid, however i have yet to see any real alternative.
i think the reason democracy doesn't work is because of a convoluted electoral process and parliamentary model. the so called united kingdon has one of the worst examples of this. because our system is so ineffective (ie about 40 percent of votes cast actually count towards the government who gets voted in, and all House of Commons decisions must be vetoed by the House of Lords, who are unelected) we happen to have about 40% of the populace don't even bother to turn up on voting day. guess which political persuasion tends to make the effort? that's right, the foaming at the mouth "i'm alright, jack" types.
Anyway, re: guns, if it was against the law to carry guns, only criminals would have them, and even then not many would. This is the case in the UK, and it holds true. in a country where guns are supposedly a right (although i have it on authority that the right to bear arms is taken out of context by most people) i hear many times about people's kids killing each other, maniacs killing dozens in schools et cetera. is this good? freewill for the nutters? you decide... or at least you do in a democracy.
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Calumn, don't confuse racism toward Russian people with being against the old communist Russian government. I don't believe race had much to do with anything there (I was in the USAF during the cold war stationed in Germany when the wall came down). I don't remember any of my buddies making racist Russian remarks nor had anything against the Russian people. Now sure the term "commie" floated around. Correct me if I am wrong but that is not a racist remark. It is a remark against a governmental persuasion.
And I knew many people of Russian and Polish decent and they were treated no differently than people of any other decent. In fact MOST Americans are decendants from Europe and other countries (most of my family came from Germany, Prussia, and a few others around 100 years ago, not that long). In fact it isn't much different than using the term "Nazi". I use that term often but I am not referring to Germans when I use it, hell I am 3/4 German. I am referring to the practices not the race.
The worst racism in America is probably toward African American people and Mexican people to a lesser extent. Now it isn't nearly as bad as it once was and I have hope that it will be a non-issue in the near future. Of course it is unlikely that racism can be wiped out completely.
I agree entirely. very good post, VoidMain.It leaves little more to be said, in my opinion...
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Originally posted by lazygamer:
I have nothing against Americians, I greatly respect their love for Firearms
That's the funniest thing I've read all week.
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Originally posted by Pantso:
Creedon hi, I didn't see your post. I shouldn't have concluded the U.S government in this but I was in a way provoked to do so. I don't have anything against Americans. In fact I have many American friends here in Athens (we have a big american community) and I also have relatives in the States. I just don't like people preaching about what's politically correct and not, let alone swearing. That's all.
PAAAANTSOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey man. I was born in Brooklyn but I was raised in Greece/Agrinio. Now I am in US for the last 7 years.
I am typing this in English so everyone can understand what am saying.
Send me a PM man. Here is my AIM handle as well. ELLHNAS25.
Hope to talk to you soon malaka (http://tongue.gif)
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pantso, i was trying to be cool
edit: i deleted most of my post
the united states is not collapsing, but we do have big time corruption to deal with
and pantso, how would you have us go about fighting the "war on terrorism" and the anti-western attitude of much of the world? i am not going to get into the whiny "why do they hate us" song and dance...
i dont know... the UN and the EU would just bicker and debate this straight into the ground... we (in large part) feel that we just need to get over there and do something about this; we are supporting friendlier governments and trashing unfriendly/militant ones. we sponsor freedom, as long as you don't try to kill us!
a lot of countries would starve without US aid
the "whats in it for us" comment is right on, and it is not entirely wrong for us to ask this... we just do it too much
i don't think anyone would raise thier hands in support of terrorism... right (please)?
so... pantso, take it easy... my uneducated southern ass has had enough of this. why are you so opposed to the united states?
and i am no dumb redneck... but a lot of dumb rednecks died crushing the nazi regime... and dumb rednecks pay for food for a large portion of the third world
[ September 02, 2002: Message edited by: sporkme / bob ]
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Wow! I think that I've just struck a sensitive patriotic cord! Sorry about that! Let's move on, shall we? ;)
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pantso i edited that post and i think you read the wrong one hehehe
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Originally posted by sporkme / bob:
pantso, i was trying to be cool
edit: i deleted most of my post
the united states is not collapsing, but we do have big time corruption to deal with
and pantso, how would you have us go about fighting the "war on terrorism" and the anti-western attitude of much of the world? i am not going to get into the whiny "why do they hate us" song and dance...
i dont know... the UN and the EU would just bicker and debate this straight into the ground... we (in large part) feel that we just need to get over there and do something about this; we are supporting friendlier governments and trashing unfriendly/militant ones. we sponsor freedom, as long as you don't try to kill us!
a lot of countries would starve without US aid
the "whats in it for us" comment is right on, and it is not entirely wrong for us to ask this... we just do it too much
i don't think anyone would raise thier hands in support of terrorism... right (please)?
so... pantso, take it easy... my uneducated southern ass has had enough of this. why are you so opposed to the united states?
and i am no dumb redneck... but a lot of dumb rednecks died crushing the nazi regime... and dumb rednecks pay for food for a large portion of the third world
[ September 02, 2002: Message edited by: sporkme / bob ]
The one realization you have to make is that YOU might be one of those "acceptable casualties". I don't now, and never have seen the point of the United States sending young men to a strange land to die for an abstract concept. Who are we giong to put in Saddams place? Yes, he's violent, aggresive killer, but that could be said for any member of the ruling Baath party; what's the point of getting rid of Saddam, only to replace him with someone just like him?
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Correct me if I'm wrong but where were the United States before Pearl Harbour, ha? Did any country other than the European ones and Russia suffer any more in WWII? I don't think so ;) . I'm telling you this once more. I have nothing against Americans except for those who fell victims of your Gebbelic propaganda (as in Gebbels, do you know him?) :D . Oh, and for the facts. weren't you the ones who stood for Sadam Hussein in the 80's and flamed him in the 90's :D Weren't you the ones that "created" Osama Bin Laden and the Mudjahedin to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan? :D Weren't you the ones that brought Pinochet to power in Chille? Aren't you the ones that pollute the environment daily refusing to take part in the Environmental summit? Aren't you the ones that support Israel when they bomb unarmed Palestinians etc etc etc (http://tongue.gif)
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Am gonna only comment about the Isreal/palestenian comment you made.
Its kinda simple. Both countries have very poor leadership. They are acting as if they are leaders of neighborhood gangs.
I can safely say that the majority of Americans dont think of much for none of those two.
[ September 02, 2002: Message edited by: bazoukas ]
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To bazoukas: Sostos. Symfono kai epafksano!
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Geia sou re patrida!! :D
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Ela re Ellada na kaneis kai kana mpanaki an kai tora mas ta xalase o kairos. Nisakia, paralies, ilios. Ti kaneis ekei pano vre?
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it's all greek to me!
comparing me / whoever to a nazi propogandist was a low, low cheap shot.
and by the way, friend, it is spelled Goebbels, and pronounced like the small, furry rodent he was.
chile was a major tarfu, but we had to keep the communists at bay.
need i remind you of your own communist insurgency? ...thus giving rise to your nov. 17 terrorists
about fifty times more russians died in world war 2 than any other nationality - thanks to uncle joe's pact with the devil. it seems like every time you europeans get your asses in a bind, we have to come on over there and bail you out... AND THIS IS THE THANKS WE GET?
before pearl harbor, we were too busy trying to wield our giant bureacracy to bail our OWN asses out of the depression... once the attack came (read: sept 11), we swung into full force action AND WON THE WAR FOR YOU
vis-a-vis our pollution, i suggest you check the soft coal mines of eastern europe - which have pretty much denuded the wildlands due to the acid rain they produce.
our own epa DOES force many of the world's more unscrupulous corporations to exploit the lack of control in some less developed countries... but if we come over there and enforce our policies, we will have magically gone from isolationist to totalitarian in your eyes
it is you who are riding your huge ego; concerning your "birthplace of democracy" comment, you have been practicing for 4000 years and still haven't got it right.
Socrates and Demosthenes are weeping...
try this on for size: we may have made our own mistakes in the past (i.e. saddam, chile) but at least we take care of them ourselves (despite your incessant whining). whenever you bollocks it up, here come the yankees :D
we have been pussy-footing around with the poor people in isreal/palestine for too long now. in my opinion, yasser and sharon should be locked in a room with a couple of box cutters.
--i really liked the neighborhood gang analogy
those people are all the same really... wanting peace, wanting to have a normal life.
but then a bunch of terrorist morons have to go strapping TNT on thier backs
but then a bunch of sharon-ites have to blow up a police station
but then a bunch of terrori...... you get it
there aren't any israelis blowing themselves up though! a very tippable scale as to who is more right than the other!
--do you want us to go in there and kick some butt, sort shit out, and such? AHHH! IT NEVER CEASES!
war is not usually good, but in some cases it becomes necessary. imagine if someone had toppled the nazis before they became powerful... all those innocents
so... here we come mr. taliban! here we come saddam insane!
"dropping bombs on innocent" people... give me a break. in prisons over here, signs on the walls say SIT DOWN WHEN SHOTS ARE FIRED. this is basically the policy the US armed forces take. innocent people in tanks?!?!?!
the United Nations sure did a nice job in somolia. shoulda just let the US handle that one. and bosnia? korea? all those innocents...
also... there is little either of us could do to stop the US anti-terror machine. world trade center... all those innocents.
oh man my head hurts
pantso, you are extremely intelligent, worldly, and a talented debator.
[ September 02, 2002: Message edited by: sporkme / bob ]
[ September 02, 2002: Message edited by: sporkme / bob ]
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Ouch hurting head. I used to be alot like Sporkme(ie:US are the goodguys etc.), but I've fallen to the dark side.
Oh and Flap, your LOL has made me go LOL right back at you. ;)
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Am gonna talk as a person who lived in two countries. 14-15 years in Greece and 11-12 years in USA.
Politics are dirty by its nature. PERIOD. I dont care where you from. That doesnt mean though we should all hit the mountains.
I can make a whole list of Bad things the USA did and I can make a whole list of Bad things that Greece has done.
Using that as a jumping point I can go to the other end of the spectrum and write a whole list of good things the USA did and a whole good things that Greece has done.
Difference is that since USA is a superpower the results of its actions have a much greater impact (good or bad).
Believe it or not Americans and Europeans have much more in common than anyone wants to admit.
I can make you a small brake down of the lists I told you about.
I dont believe in idolizing anything or anyone. I call them as I see them. I also do believe NOT using the past as a jumpstart. The past is what it is and no one can change it. Its also an error to use the past as "good old glory days".
Am not saying forget history. Thats a recipe for repeating bad patterns. I am saying dont forget but learn from it so we can build a better future.
NO COUNTRY IS A SAINT!!!! WE ALL HAVE BLOOD IN OUR BODY. ACCEPT IT AND MOVE ALONG.
Dueling about the past does little good.
Its a dirty yet beautifull world people.
[ September 02, 2002: Message edited by: bazoukas ]
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well fuck it. I need to sudy but i dont feel like it. So am gonna do the small general brake down.
Greece gave birth to Democracy.
USA was the first nation after eons that revived Democracy.A goverment for the people by the people, as the Athenians wanted for their own City.
American Revolution ignited the French Revolution and the Greek revolution fallowed shortly after.
WWII. Well its best not to say bad things about that generation that fought against the Nazis no matter what country they came from. I will say this though. Nazis economical and finacial power was increased by the fact that big companies invested and sold materials to the Nazis because of their industrial demands. Some of those companies were based in USA.Along with that, Stalin showed support at the early days towards Germany. ALL THIS HAPPENED before Germany decided to go GUN HO.
On the other hand, if USA didnt come in, Europe would have fallen. England couldnt keep up for long and the gurila war in other countries was not enough.
Cold War. Thats a whole fucked up situation by itself. Russia and America took it to the extreme. Both countries wanted to spread their own influence to other countries. Both USA and Russia made efforts to establish their own pupet rulers in other countries. Thus we had Korea, Vietnam, Afganistan and so on.
Greece had a Dictator established by USA. The 17th November was the date that Greece elimenated that form of goverment.
400+ protesting students died in the Polutehnio University when a tank just charged in and sholdiers started shooting left and right.
17th November though, the group, took a life of its own. The people (MAINLY 18 to 26 year old STUDENTS) that participated on overthrowing the goverment never had in mind that a group like this would form. And the group has taken it to a whole different level. Frankly I dont think they even know what they are "fighting" for. If you ask me they are just dickheads.
As I said before no country is perfect. Hell pancho do you forget what happened with the Albanians? When then president Mitsotakis invited them telling them that they gonna find jobs and houses to live? He basicaly did that so the Albanians would vote him and stay for a second term.
About Kuwait. I know a good number of US ARMY veterans, that GOT REALY FUCKING PISSED, when they recieved orders not to go after Sadam. And yeah the whole thing was to protect the oil resources. Sounds cruel? Maybe so, but think of the alternative.
The other famous royall fart from both USA and Europe was Ruanda. No one wanted to get their hands dirty and the result? Genocide.
Anyway you cut it, some things dont look good.
But i try not to focus only on the fuckups. There are so MANY postive things that came from USA and Europe and Russia and other countries.
Space exploration (the thing that will save humanity) basicaly came from the German scientists.
Now Russia and USA are working together to put humans on Mars.
Medicice wise. The famous PAP test was invented in Greece. Europe and USA are coming with new treatments for all of natures fuckups (Cancer, mental illness and many more).
And so on and so on and so on.
I could go on but i need to study, but I just wanted to write this down.
I realy do hate it when people are on each other throats when there is no need for it.
Am gonna say it again.
Its a dirty yet beautifull world people. Embrace it for what it is. There is a time for peace and there is a time for war. Its just life.
I REALY HOPE SOMEONE WILL READ THIS SHIT CAUSE IT TOOK ME A GOOD 30 FUCKING MINUTES.
[ September 03, 2002: Message edited by: bazoukas ]
[ September 03, 2002: Message edited by: bazoukas ]
[ September 03, 2002: Message edited by: bazoukas ]
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Don't worry, I read it. (http://smile.gif)
It is an excellent point though, much good has come out of countries, along with much bad.
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Originally posted by www.unixsucks.com: (http://www.unixsucks.com:)
You shall be one hell of an angry old man. I really don't envy your grand children.
What makes you so angry? That somebody expressed his own opinion? Is not what this is all country is about?
Well please continue being pissed off.
P.S. And you remark about my origin shall go to that people who accussed me being a racist, please now tear up this asshole as well. Being all non-biased as you claim to be you are supposed to do that, don't you?
And you old man, I have accomplished in my life more then average american and I'm not done yet (as you are).
[ August 27, 2002: Message edited by: www.unixsucks.com (http://www.unixsucks.com) ]
Idiot, you can pick on another counntey, but not people of a another race in your country... Dor example i can say that VoidMain and M0R are eskimo canadians. And you a commie, and me well you can call me the croc hunter!
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Originally posted by Calum:
ok, but that russian remark was racist, and sarcasm or not, racism is not good, and personally i don't think it belongs here, even in the lounge.
this time it wasn't hurtful, and i suspect was tongue in cheek, but if i was here more often i'd be watching for racist remarks and dealing them a heavy hand. i still mod this forum, and if racism, or gay bashing, or sexism or whatever comes up and i see it, then 'FUCK'. that's all i can say........
Oh yes, and to get back on track, yes, i think 'unixsucks.com'... SUCKS! (http://honeybug.com/forums/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif)
I only find racism hilariously evil when its against a skin color or religion. Ya bloody scot! :D
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i can't think of a suitable retort! :eek:
re: the US shoving it's big army into other countries' faces, the reason they go and bugger everything up is that they still fight wars instead of just assasinating the corrupt leaders. look at Milosevic, Saddam, and supposedly, Bin Laden. The Geneva convention (i think, or is it some other landmark treaty?) prevents one country from just knocking off another country's leader, theory being that the country should have control over it's internal procedures. if an uprising happens, it must be because of the natives of that country et c. Instead, the US sends 'peace keeping forces' which is the most ridiculous oxymoron in the world, and this drags the whole thing out into a big fucking Viet Nam.
re: Israel. Israel was given its own land in 1948. Palestine was not. where the fuck are they supposed to live? the only reason the Israelis want Gaza back is because it's on the coast!
I'm not against the US in particular, i'm sure all the other countries would be just as bad if they had the chance, but the US has made sure it is the most powerful nation in terms of firearms, so naturally it is the worst offender on this score.
Again, no reflection on the citizens. in a real democracy, decent citizens would vote in a government that did not do these horrible things, but for one, democracy does not work due to apathy (see my earlier post) and also the main thrust of the US' overseas policy is shielded, or even better, spun out of all context before being delivered in simplified form to the masses.
just a thought...
[ September 03, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
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Guys let's give it a break ha? We are all citizens of this decaying planet and victims (as I see it) of corrupted politicians and greedy governments. It doesn't matter where we come from, what colour we have, to me we are all the same. Sporkme/bob, you too are a very intelligent person. Your posts prove it and forgive me for overreacting earlier. ;) Anyway, I believe I came here for another reason and not for political discussion.
PS Sporkme we're all correct. Europe couldn't have done it without the US in WWII. As for the coalmines in Eastern Europe I really don't know because the Eastern European countries don't belong to the EU. I didn't know how Goebels was spelled in English, so I'm sorry about that too.
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pantso, here here, have a beer
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peace
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athens hosted the survivors of the brittanic
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Hey, now there's a thought. Let's start listing some "good" things that each country has done. Dragging out all the crap reminds me too much of the negative campaining that our US politicians like to use lately. To me it is just a waste of time. It's like voting for the "lesser of two evils" rather than "which one is better". Of course with politicians "lesser of two evils" may be the more appropriate phrase.
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errr i may have been wrong about that... i know they (athens) hosted a rescue from some (countless) huge ww2 shipwreck, but it may or may not have been britticanica.... pantso?
yeah list some good things....
i'll just postthe obvious....
US feeds the most foreign starving of any country (through much bickering, admittedly)
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I don't know about Brittanica but the truth is that Greece like any other country, provided shelter during WW2 to the allies. The Greek resistance worked very closely with the allies as well. I remember my grandmother telling me how they took in a RAF pilot and took care of him when he was being chased by the Nazis.
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Eorope makes the best beer (bier). No offense to the Ausies, you have great beer too. And I'm not talking about the beer that is imported to the US. I don't know what they do to it when it enters the country but it sucks when it gets here. They must inject it with skunk piss so as not to compete with Buttwiper (Budweiser). The European beer can only be appreciated within Europe. Of course any beer is better than whimpy American beer. There are a few good micro brews in the US but they try to emulate the European beer.
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European beer rocks and dont I know it. (http://smile.gif)
I am talking about europe proper though and not the UK.
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you know, budweiser is actually based on an old Czech beer called Budvar. it's very popular now in Scotland, and you can get it in Melbourne pubs too (not sure about Sydney, it's probably too designer for Sydney...) you should try it, it kicks ass compared with the US come-lately chemical enhanced version! (http://smile.gif)
Another favourite of mine is beers made from wheat instead of barley! mmmmmm they are lovely! top names are Schofferhofer and Hoegaarden.
Also, and you'll need to come to Scotland for this, but you cannot whack a good pint of Tennent's 70 shilling (now annoyingly called Velvet to catch the youth market) or Belhaven Best. Irish best beers by a very long way are Beamish Black (which wins any fight against Guinness hands down) and Beamish Red. This beer is actually red! and it tastes really good.
Right sorry, just had to round up some good European beers for ya in case anybody fancies trying them!
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I've seen (and drunk) the same stuff in France.
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Ahh yes, wheat beer is good too. I like the half inch of sediment on the bottom of the bottle. (http://smile.gif) No really, it's good stuff. And my buddy is a big fan of "Kilkenny" which I believe is an Irish beer. That one is actually one of the better imports. I've never had it when I was in Europe. I used to drink a lot of Bitburger, and other local brews...
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kilkenny is the irish beer most similar to seventy. however a pint of seventy shilling really does go down a lot better depending on the brewery it comes from. kilkenny is available in a lot of places though, so it makes a good substitute for anybody who is hankering for a seventy! i despair of good beer now i'm in london! these fuckers all drink lukewarm fucking piss!
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I spent a little time in England. Not in London though, up north in the country farther closer to Norwich. I remember drinking a lot of good cold pints so I know at least some places sell it chilled. And I thought the beer there was also very good.
[ September 04, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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Originally posted by Calum:
kilkenny is the irish beer most similar to seventy. however a pint of seventy shilling really does go down a lot better depending on the brewery it comes from. kilkenny is available in a lot of places though, so it makes a good substitute for anybody who is hankering for a seventy! i despair of good beer now i'm in london! these fuckers all drink lukewarm fucking piss!
Calum, women just cause trouble (http://smile.gif)
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????? i don't understand???!?!?!?!!!
i was talking about beer... maybe women are the reason for the lukewarm beer here? it certainly looks like piss, that's for sure. the 'best' southern english beers appear to be the ones with the most halfhearted gob of white bubbly scum on the top. seriously, thank gods for imported beers!
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It was your lady's 'fault' that you moved to London (read: Spiritual home of Soft Southern Jessies) was it not?
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ah! now i understand! yes i suppose it was, however i remain philosophical about it, she dislikes london at least as much as i do. just not suited to it i suppose. she's from north shore sydney and london is like a smellier version of sydney (i will attest to this) so you know, she feels like she's kind of past it all. we'd like to settle in scotland once we have some savings. until then, i suppose i will have to buy foreign beer and lump it! i could always nip across to the west country for some of their amazing cider!
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! (http://smile.gif) (http://smile.gif) (http://smile.gif) (http://smile.gif) (http://smile.gif) (http://smile.gif)
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lol.
Orr well, once you finish your spell in London you and her can go back to scotland get a log cabin, with a log fire and a nice rug and enjoy the nicer pleasures of life without the sound of a big red bus, the squeel of a cockney and the choke of the smog. ;)
You get my drift...
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You had to bring up the cider! My weak American stomache was not cut out for that cider. I don't remember much of the day other than I puked and puked and puked and puked and dry heaved and puked. My head was splitting like it was going to pop, thought I was going to die.
Of course I was at a "Monsters of Rock" concert at the time. I may have mixed it with the wrong alcohol (don't remember drinking very much) or maybe I was already getting a touch of the flu. At any rate, *bad* memories of the cider.
But I'll give it the benefit of the doubt as it could have been something else that triggered it. Who knows at a Monsters of Rock concert with 300,000 smelly drunks running around. And I'm sure any of the food could have been suspect.
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sure do! a log house in scotland! that'd be bloody chilly in the winter! ;)
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i have been all through france (long trip) and stayed too short a time in london.
i was in france in the middle of soem hugh soccer match (world cup?) and the scots took over paris and bought everyone beer.
a beer i miss from over there: desperados (or despe')
of course there is alot more to a country than a beer! --there's women!
and budweiser is still king! as for european brews, i get my head elsewhere~~~~ :D
no i like Old Peculier and an (continental) indian beer, (imperted as) Dogfish Head 90 minute IPA.
it is amazing how quickly you become (halfway) fluent in a foriegn language when you MUST if you want to eat.
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the only beer i will drink these days is a Newcastle brown ale. that, or some of the local breweries beers. i cant stand anything like buttwipers or coors.
ecsyle_one
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yeah, it wears on the gut... but nothing like true russian vodka, true japaneese sake, or true scottish scotch.
try skull-splitter. it is available nation-wide, but rare everywhere.
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this post in short we all fall victims to propaganda. its everywhere. as well, there will always be people who try to get others to react to them in a negative way just for attention. Unixsucks posts here just because he knew he would get several responses and it makes him fell like he has accomplished something. we all yearn to feel important and we sometimes forget who we are, this happens especially through the animnity of online forums.
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Originally posted by Calum:
democracy doesn't work, i'm afraid, however i have yet to see any real alternative.
i think the reason democracy doesn't work is because of a convoluted electoral process and parliamentary model. the so called united kingdon has one of the worst examples of this. because our system is so ineffective (ie about 40 percent of votes cast actually count towards the government who gets voted in, and all House of Commons decisions must be vetoed by the House of Lords, who are unelected) we happen to have about 40% of the populace don't even bother to turn up on voting day. guess which political persuasion tends to make the effort? that's right, the foaming at the mouth "i'm alright, jack" types.
Anyway, re: guns, if it was against the law to carry guns, only criminals would have them, and even then not many would. This is the case in the UK, and it holds true. in a country where guns are supposedly a right (although i have it on authority that the right to bear arms is taken out of context by most people) i hear many times about people's kids killing each other, maniacs killing dozens in schools et cetera. is this good? freewill for the nutters? you decide... or at least you do in a democracy.
also, I agree entirely. very good post, VoidMain.It leaves little more to be said, in my opinion...
Well im a communist, a real communist... It was stalin who gave communism a bad name... If communism works out it will create a harmony where everyone respects others and there will be no need for a government.
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Originally posted by VoidMain:
Eorope makes the best beer (bier). No offense to the Ausies, you have great beer too. And I'm not talking about the beer that is imported to the US. I don't know what they do to it when it enters the country but it sucks when it gets here. They must inject it with skunk piss so as not to compete with Buttwiper (Budweiser). The European beer can only be appreciated within Europe. Of course any beer is better than whimpy American beer. There are a few good micro brews in the US but they try to emulate the European beer.
Crown Lager Rules!!!
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Originally posted by Tux:
lol.
Orr well, once you finish your spell in London you and her can go back to scotland get a log cabin, with a log fire and a nice rug and enjoy the nicer pleasures of life without the sound of a big red bus, the squeel of a cockney and the choke of the smog. ;)
You get my drift...
Naa goto latrobe valley, victoria, australia, i used to live there, now i live in the east suburbs of melborne.
Aussie beer rules
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Originally posted by sporkme / bob:
yeah, it wears on the gut... but nothing like true russian vodka, true japaneese sake, or true scottish scotch.
try skull-splitter. it is available nation-wide, but rare everywhere.
little do you probably realise, but skullsplitter is in fact from the only brewery in the Orkney islands (Raven Ales), that tiny archapelago which i actually originate from! small world and all that, and yes skullsplitter is fucking magic, you need to try it, people.
There's also two distilleries in Orkney too (highland park and scapa).
2 distilleries and a brewery, not bad for a population of only 20,000 eh?