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Miscellaneous => The Lounge => Topic started by: kent on 30 January 2003, 02:42
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2 x 2 = ? Is it too complicated?
I understand that people cannot keep in mind too much information to analyze it. Therefore I simplified the issue. Two facts are enough to make a right decision:
First input - G.W. Bush and CIA knew that on 9/11 terrorists will use planes for terracts.
Second input - Not one jetfighter was alerted even one hour after the first WTC building was down. Somebody intentionally to keep all jetfighters on the ground.
(First input) x (Second input) = X (?)
X = G.W. Bush intentionally sacrificed WTC and 3,000 Americans.
Let's guess the purpose:
1. To have "reasons" in front of the World to seize Afghanistan because of oil, then Iraq, then who knows what.
2. To do the famous trick of a typical white crime: they destroyed their own business to cover up the fraud they do. WTC is involved in the biggest financial operation - thus, if they do big schemes - there are many reasons to destroy WTC.
You probably do not know one more fact - the most likely reason why WTC was put down is not the planes directly. In the basement of WTC and the 7th floor was a huge storage of fuel for generators to provide electricity in case of emergency. All the storages were fireproof. All the storages were blown up.
First question:
Is it possible that the planes did critical damage to the protected (fireproofed) storages through 40 floors of highly durable and fireproofed WTC?
Second question:
Why Motorola's communicated devices of firemen did not work on the exact day of 9/11? Is it because Motorola does not know how to do make these devices properly or because somebody had shut down the frequencies in case firemen were to discover some evidence of what really happened to the storages and say it before they were to die? (A version: people disguised as firemen brought bombs to blow up the fuel storages to make sure that WTC would be completely destroyed and nobody could find any evidence of what white crime was going on in WTC)
Conclusion: G.W. Bush is the No 1 person who is guilty in destruction of WTC and the death of 3,000 Americans. G.W. Bush intentionally committed international crime - he seized Afghanistan using false claims.
If G.W. Bush intentionally sacrificed WTC and 3,000 Americans to seize Iraq - is it possible that he won't attack Iraq?
G.W. Bush accuses Iraq of non cooperating, but G.W. Bush is silly lying because if Saddam won't cooperate (and want to attack any country) - he wouldn't let the UN inspectors to search any place in Iraq they want. G.W. Bush still has no direct evidence of existence of weapons of mass destruction but he surely will attack Iraq.
According to the rule of justice, there is no reason to go to war against Iraq. Instead there are many reasons to impeach G.W. Bush and put him in jail.
The most important thing is to bring to justice the people who made G.W. Bush. Why? Because the American people did not elected G.W. Bush. Money elected G.W. Bush (electronic election fraud with participation of Bill Gates). And Money did it because they want more money and power. They must be stopped before WW III will happen.
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Get a fucking life, and take it to a Bush bashing site. This is a Microsoft bashing site.
[ January 29, 2003: Message edited by: void main ]
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electronic election fraud with participation of Bill Gates
I'd like to hear the story behind that one...
But I wouldn't be surprised, Bill G. is behind most of the bad things in the world somehow.
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Originally posted by void main:
Get a fucking life
Are you saying he's undead? ;)
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Who cares whether any of it's true? Put him in prison anyway. And set him on fire.
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I don't like his faith based funding (my tax dollars going to fund religion makes me ill) and his over-eagerness to attack Iraq, but other than that he's kind of OK. At least he keeps in shape, unlike Al Gore (who unfortunately isn't running in '04; I swear if Joe Lieberman gets nominated for the Democratic party I'll have to vote for Ralph Nader or something)
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To the first person:
Someone who died in the Pentagon attacks husband is going on a shitshuffling fest. Pretty much to answer questions like yours. I'd be curious to see what comes out of it. I agree with less-extreme versions of your opinions.
1) Bush is a war president. A war president makes war.
2) Bush wants oil & money.
3) The US gov't had plenty of prior warning about the attacks.
4) Bill Gates is an evil fuck.
5) Faith based funding is massive bullshit.
Void:
Chill! This is the lounge. I think we need a political discussion forum or something though. Either that, or you can mod the lounge to ax the posts you disagree with (http://www.akgames.net:8000/Images/Moods/king.gif)
Linux User & Flap:
I agree entirely
Bush & Gates:
We're coming!
(http://www.akgames.net:8000/Images/Moods/new_321.gif)
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Originally posted by Linux User #5225982375:
I don't like his faith based funding (my tax dollars going to fund religion makes me ill) and his over-eagerness to attack Iraq, but other than that he's kind of OK. At least he keeps in shape, unlike Al Gore (who unfortunately isn't running in '04; I swear if Joe Lieberman gets nominated for the Democratic party I'll have to vote for Ralph Nader or something)
But the money doesn't actually go to funding the religion. It *can* go to religious organizations for things like keeping the homeless fed, helping to get them off drugs, provide shelter, etc. So if you have something against helping the homeless then that is a different story.
As far as wanting to attack Iraq I don't know that is the case. Ensuring they don't have WMD is something that must be done, regardless who is in office. He just happens to be the one that is there now. I don't see any other way at this point of having those assurances as Saddam is not living up to all of the agreements that were made post Gulf War. I would rather go in and take him out than have any of the tons of unaccounted for Anthrax, VX, etc being unleashed on me.
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;)
[ January 30, 2003: Message edited by: ecsyle_one ]
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Originally posted by The Muffin Man:
To the first person:
Someone who died in the Pentagon attacks husband is going on a shitshuffling fest. Pretty much to answer questions like yours. I'd be curious to see what comes out of it. I agree with less-extreme versions of your opinions.
1) Bush is a war president. A war president makes war.
2) Bush wants oil & money.
3) The US gov't had plenty of prior warning about the attacks.
4) Bill Gates is an evil fuck.
5) Faith based funding is massive bullshit.
Void:
Chill! This is the lounge. I think we need a political discussion forum or something though. Either that, or you can mod the lounge to ax the posts you disagree with (http://www.akgames.net:8000/Images/Moods/king.gif)
Linux User & Flap:
I agree entirely
Bush & Gates:
We're coming!
(http://www.akgames.net:8000/Images/Moods/new_321.gif)
I will not chill. All of the accusations are bull shit. Saddam needs to comply regardless of who is in office. We just happen to have someone in now with some balls and can make it happen. If people can't handle that, fuck 'em.
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I hate Bush and Gates more than almost anyone. I know I might be in the majority here, but I think I hate Bush even more than I hate Bill Gates.
Than again, we've had to live with Gates' bullshit for a lot longer than we have GWB's...
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But the money doesn't actually go to funding the religion. It *can* go to religious organizations for things like keeping the homeless fed, helping to get them off drugs, provide shelter, etc. So if you have something against helping the homeless then that is a different story.
Faith-based funding funds *faith*-based organizations by the very definition. I have no problem with the government spending money on solving drug addiction and helping the poor, in fact I am deeply concerned with the plight of all people in those predicaments, but I am massively opposed to giving the money to churches and then asking them to promise never to bring up god or religion. It just ain't going to happen. For instance some of that faith-based money is going to Bob Jones University of all places. Bob Jones is a Christian fundamentalist "college" which teaches creationism to students and bans interracial dating on campus. How can the government possibly make sure that none of that money will be used to fund religious activities?
If funding religion is *not* the goal of faith-based funding (and by the inclusion of the word faith it seems to me it must) then why not put the money into creating totally secular programs free from religious influence?
Religious charities should remain voluntary charities, for the sake of religion itself in this country if not for the constitutional principle of separation of church and state. When the government starts funding a church, the church becomes dependent on the government for funds. So it's bad for churches too.
What would be funny is if some of the money went to an Islamic charity in the US which happened to be raising money for Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda. Now *that* would be irony!
There is a lot more to say about this subject. I suggest going to http://www.au.org/ (http://www.au.org/) (Americans United for the Separation of Church and State) for more information on religion and the government.
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Go away. Stick this in the shit-bin.
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Originally posted by Linux User #5225982375:
If funding religion is *not* the goal of faith-based funding (and by the inclusion of the word faith it seems to me it must) then why not put the money into creating totally secular programs free from religious influence?
Because many religious institutions already have these programs and it will cost nothing to set them up (except for the accountability of where the money goes). It would cost a lot more to have the government start new programs for this. I think it's better to let people help people. I am certainly not a religious person (even though I was brought up in somewhat of a religious environment). I believe it is great that existing religions already help the homeless regardless of their beliefs. And if they get a little religious preachings on the side and it ultimately solves their problem of being homeless then I can't possibly see anything wrong with that.
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What would be funny is if some of the money went to an Islamic charity in the US which happened to be raising money for Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda. Now *that* would be irony!
Nothing wrong with some of that money going to Islamic organizations for the same purpose. And as long as there is accountability the money->OBL shouldn't be that much of an issue.
[ January 29, 2003: Message edited by: void main ]
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And if they get a little religious preachings on the side and it ultimately solves their problem of being homeless then I can't possibly see anything wrong with that.
That's exactly what's wrong with faith-based funding. The government shouldn't fund organizations that preach to people about religion, even if it is part of something beneficial. I know if I were a drug addict looking for help I certainly wouldn't want my only option to be to go to some "faith based drug rehab" program and get harassed to death by Jesus freaks. I swear, off of one dangerous psychological dependency and onto another.
Besides, there are already secular government programs in existence. Faith-based funding reduces the funding for those programs too.
I have a feeling that faith-based funding is Dubya's way of paying back all the churches and conservative religious leaders who helped fund his campaign.
[ January 29, 2003: Message edited by: Linux User #5225982375 ]
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Originally posted by void main:
I will not chill. All of the accusations are bull shit. Saddam needs to comply regardless of who is in office. We just happen to have someone in now with some balls and can make it happen. If people can't handle that, fuck 'em.
Then someone ax this thread damnit! (Not kidding)
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every heard of doing the right thing for the wrong reason?
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This is the very reason I hate political threads on this site. I do not allow political or religious threads on my site (yep, I'm a Nazi right wing censor). Have fun with all your Bush and U.S. bashing...
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Oh come on! I can criticise Georgie Porgie a little, can't I? It doesn't mean I hate him. As for the guy who started this thread, he's clearly a nut, don't let him bother you.
But you're right, and I don't particularly care for political discussion; it is too disagreeable a topic. Like Linus said (the Linus from Charlie Brown, not Linus Torvalds!!!) "I've learned never to discuss three things in public: religion, politics, and the great pumpkin!"
edit: jeeze you think I could type correctly!!
[ January 29, 2003: Message edited by: Linux User #5225982375 ]
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ok, i will put a political seciton on my webforum when its ready. and i won't rant here about politics
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to all those who would remove free speech:
ranting about politics is one of the things that makes this forum a good read.
i used to like the free speech emphasis on this site, but i notice you are all loudly saying that politics should not be allowed on this board after more than a year of free speech. this would be pretty bad on its own, but what really astonishes me is that while you say that out of one face, you use your other face to do the one thing you abhor: argue about politics!
if you don't want to talk about politics then do not talk about politics, however if you do, then do, it's THAT simple. If a political discussion comes up on this site and you don't want to talk about politics then DON'T reply to the topic. it's not hard. many of the topics on this site are, in my opinion, full of useless rubbish and not worth my time to read, let alone reply, but i still post on this site and i don't get my knickers in a twist if somebody posts something that i myself am not interested in.
I say again: if you DON'T want to talk about politics, then DON'T, but it REALLY pisses me off when people start telling other people what they can and cannot say. You will notice that this forum (The Lounge) is for any discussion whatsoever. This thread is therefore on topic and i think it is inappropriate to ridicule or insult the original poster or those who reply to this topic or any others like it.
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Originally posted by void main:
I will not chill. All of the accusations are bull shit. Saddam needs to comply regardless of who is in office. We just happen to have someone in now with some balls and can make it happen. If people can't handle that, fuck 'em.
i am sorry, but i laughed out loud when you said bush had balls. he doesn't even have brain cells or a vocabulary, let alone balls. luckily though he is too stupid to try and make himself look benign. Clinton would not have been able to handle this situation in the same way bush is, but it's not because clinton has no balls, it's because clinton would have wriggled around trying to get out of his responsibility and making his own life easier, whereas bush just lets those around him pull his strings and says rough approximations of what he is supposed to say, and all around him the real movers and shakers gear up for war, maybe for funding reasons, maybe for reasons of oil supply, who knows?
Just to add fuel to the fire, Go to the BBC's website and in their search box, type the words "taliban" and "Texas", two words that you wouldn't think of using together all that much, and just see what the first item is in the results (http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl?q=taliban+texas&go.x=0&go.y=0&go=go&uri=%2Fhome%2Ftoday%2Findex.live.shtml).
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Originally posted by Calum: Member # 81:
i am sorry, but i laughed out loud when you said bush had balls. he doesn't even have brain cells or a vocabulary, let alone balls.
I think when people talk about right wing idiotic despots like bush having "balls", they're referring to the enormous amount of courage it takes to sit behind a desk and order thousands of young men to their deaths. Oh my hero.
Oh, and please don't bring up that piece of piss air national guard commission he got during vietnam. which he barely ever turned up to.
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BTW
2 x 2 = 4.
Not ?
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Originally posted by void main:
This is the very reason I hate political threads on this site. I do not allow political or religious threads on my site (yep, I'm a Nazi right wing censor). Have fun with all your Bush and U.S. bashing...
this site is very big on freedom of speech and your site is a linux site. i fully applaud your decision to use the editorial scissors on politics and religion in your forums, it is most welcome and allows your forums to stay focused.
In the same way i applaud this site's eclectic nature and the fact that it is host to a wide variety of opinions about a wide variety of things. i really think that on this forum, as long as it stays in the lounge, it's fine. i draw the line at racism and genuine hate being expressed, but other than that i don't know why we should be trying to keep so rigidly on topic all of a sudden.
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Call me crazy, but I'd want someone to have at least be a fucking veteran before he orders troops to war.
Someone who understands first hand the horrors of war.
Really they're not hard to find.
Looking among Rich Texas oil barons who went to Yale is not a good place to find them.
"The soldier above all others prays for peace, for it is the soldier who must suffer and bear the deepest wounds and scars of war. "
-Douglas MacArthur
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true, also somebody who was a C student at Yale despite having his daddy's money behind him shouldn't be in charge of picking his own nose unsupervised, let alone given command of a nation, a country or the future of the planet.
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While we're bashing Bush, this is quite funny: http://www.bushwatch.net/ourfearlessleader.mp3 (http://www.bushwatch.net/ourfearlessleader.mp3)
He has balls alright. I would never have the courage to consistently make a fuckwit of myself in front of the whole world over and over again like he does.
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Originally posted by Calum: Member # 81:
Just to add fuel to the fire, Go to the BBC's website and in their search box, type the words "taliban" and "Texas", two words that you wouldn't think of using together all that much, and just see what the first item is in the results (http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl?q=taliban+texas&go.x=0&go.y=0&go=go&uri=%2Fhome%2Ftoday%2Findex.live.shtml).
thats great
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BBC News | West Asia | Taleban in Texas for talks on gas pipeline
Thursday, December 4, 1997 Published at 19:27 GMT World: West Asia Taleban in Texas for talks on gas pipeline The 1,300km pipeline will carry gas across ...
news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/west_asi.../37021.stm
speaking of Afghanistan & oil.. this is a snippet from an article with Gore Vidal
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What it was really about -- and you won't get this anywhere at the moment -- is that this is an imperial grab for energy resources. Until now, the Persian Gulf has been our main source for imported oil. We went there, to Afghanistan, not to get Osama and wreak our vengeance. We went to Afghanistan partly because the Taliban -- whom we had installed at the time of the Russian occupation -- were getting too flaky and because Unocal, the California corporation, had made a deal with the Taliban for a pipeline to get the Caspian-
area oil, which is the richest oil reserve on Earth. They wanted to get that oil by pipeline through Afghanistan to Pakistan to Karachi and from there to ship it off to China, which would be enormously profitable. Whichever big company could cash
in would make a fortune. And you'll see that all these companies go back to Bush or Cheney or
to Rumsfeld or someone else on the Gas and Oil Junta, which, along with the Pentagon, governs the United States.
We had planned to occupy Afghanistan in October, and Osama, or whoever it was who hit us in September, launched a pre-emptory strike. They knew we were coming. And this was a warning to throw us off guard.
With that background, it now becomes explicable why the first thing Bush did after we were hit was to get Senator Daschle and beg him not to hold an investigation of the sort any normal country would have done. When Pearl Harbor was struck, within 20 minutes the Senate and the House had a joint committee ready. Roosevelt beat them to it, because he knew why we had been hit, so he set up his own committee. But none of this was to come out, and it hasn't come out.
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/02/33/features-cooper.php (http://www.laweekly.com/ink/02/33/features-cooper.php)
[ January 30, 2003: Message edited by: ecsyle_one ]
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And the stupid keep on becoming even more stupid from what I see and the crowd gathers around.
Nice topic for the MES forum. :rolleyes:
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and the way the labeled it. they want people calm, they want support, so use the euphimism "war on terrorism". this should have been called world war 3
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First of all, I think that these conspiracy theories are a bit farfetched. That however, does not mean that I agree with Bush's politics. As a matter of fact I'm totally against it for a variety of reasons and I've argued with a lot of people in these forums before about it.
Which brings me to the point I'm trying to make. I really don't think that these forums should be used as a ground for political confrontations. IMHO, that is not the reason these forums exist in the first place. Well, I really don't know. I may be wrong as well. (http://smile.gif)
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OK, just one more because it's so well-done:
http://www.fuckitall.com/bsh/# (http://www.fuckitall.com/bsh/#)
:D
[ January 30, 2003: Message edited by: cocoamix ]
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That is some wonderful editing.
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Originally posted by Panos:
Which brings me to the point I'm trying to make. I really don't think that these forums should be used as a ground for political confrontations. IMHO, that is not the reason these forums exist in the first place. Well, I really don't know. I may be wrong as well. (http://smile.gif)
it's
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lounge!!!
you can talk about anything! if you don't want to discuss politics, don't. if nobody wants to discuss politics, then nobody will. that's called free speech.
as for that film, editing? isn't that what he actually said? no actually, he was talking in coherent sentences, they must have edited out a lot of the strange jibberish that bush loves to use when speaking publicly.
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Correct but then again that was my opinion reflected on my previous post. It's really up to anyone to post anything they want in the lounge. What bothers me though is the lack of mature and constructive critisism in this kind of topics. Keep also in mind that I have been flamed in a past thread for my political beliefs. (http://smile.gif)
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"This is the man who tried to kill my father"
-George Bush's pure hatered for iraq.
Sure, you reatards, (retard == ! voidmain) are bush bashing becauase you think he is evil. Bot you and voidmain have good points. (And the thing about the relgieons is bullshit, where do you think the money is going, and its okay to be atheist, but dont dictate other peoples ideas.)
Voidmains great wisdomic points:
* Saddam is a dictator, has the power that hitler did over germany (but he has iraq) and also might have nuculear weapons. Which needs to be stoped, millions could die if saddam hussain uses them. George Bush however is evengeful and also needs to be stopped, Osama bin laden is less biased.
* Most money going to the church, ect is for charity.
The retards great wisdomic points:
* There are innocent people in iraq who could be killed. We dont want them killed now do we, good point (untill you see the next bit).*
* If they had of shot down the 9/11 planes they could not have been sure of there path, and weather people would die. You retards are why it did not get shot down this is because if they shot it down you would have all been saying "Booo Bush, shot down a plane and killed 100 people" but because the goverment where afraid they let it fly because if they acted they would have been ridiculed. !
Voidmain 2 good, 1 bad.
Retards 2 bad. (If you let iraq have nukes then more people are going to be killed then the amount that will die in iraq.)
So please confer if you have a problem.
But i do not like bush, but we should not sit on our ass well iraq nukes the world!
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Originally posted by void main:
I would rather go in and take him out than have any of the tons of unaccounted for Anthrax, VX, etc being unleashed on me.
So that would mean many iraqies die, how would you like it, if you where in your home making PITA bread and then a missile came threw your roof killing the 90 people in your house, all for a few "Americans".
But anyway they found out the 9/11 anthrax came from United States facilitys.
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panos, i get flamed for nearly EVERY political opinion i express on here, and i love it! i think political discussion is one of the better ways to promote community.
X11, i believe void main advocates a more covert operation. i am AGAINST bombing as they have NEVER once solved the problem any of the ninety or so times the US has used that tactic, but i totally agree that the best thing to do would be to arrange an illegal assasination of saddam in some way.
the reason this has not been done is that saddam makes it incredibly difficult to get any up to date intelligence on where he is. he constantly moves around to the most unusual places and hires a lot of lookalikes to hang around places publicly.
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I know, but george bush is advocating blowing the place up. Bombing is bad, m'kay.
And whats this "Please remove this account" stuff on voidmains sig.
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Originally posted by The Muffin Man:
To the first person:
Someone who died in the Pentagon attacks husband is going on a shitshuffling fest. Pretty much to answer questions like yours. I'd be curious to see what comes out of it. I agree with less-extreme versions of your opinions.
1) Bush is a war president. A war president makes war.
2) Bush wants oil & money.
3) The US gov't had plenty of prior warning about the attacks.
4) Bill Gates is an evil fuck.
5) Faith based funding is massive bullshit.
Void:
Chill! This is the lounge. I think we need a political discussion forum or something though. Either that, or you can mod the lounge to ax the posts you disagree with (http://www.akgames.net:8000/Images/Moods/king.gif)
Linux User & Flap:
I agree entirely
Bush & Gates:
We're coming!
(http://www.akgames.net:8000/Images/Moods/new_321.gif)
1) Too right!
2) No, he wants to fix the economy in the US.
3) Really, where is this warning?
4) Bill Gates was brought up by his dad (lawyer) and Mother to be a bissnessman who played games with his friends that he was running a bissness. Theres the problem, Bill gates thinks life is a game.
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Someone from the past pipes in:
"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
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If they had of shot down the 9/11 planes they could not have been sure of there path, and weather people would die. You retards are why it did not get shot down this is because if they shot it down you would have all been saying "Booo Bush, shot down a plane and killed 100 people" but because the goverment where afraid they let it fly because if they acted they would have been ridiculed. !
what's all this crap got to do with iraq?
3 buildings get attacked and the US government pins it on afghanistan, and then goes to war on iraq because of it? i agree saddam should go, but that logic is insane!
the main reason people are so frightened of these 'terror attacks' is that the terrorists had penknifes. not even that, in fact they had box cutting knives. a whole plane of people against three guys with box cutting knives and nobody did anything? THAT's why people feel really uneasy about this. they know that had it been them there, in amongst a whole planefull of people, they too would have allowed themselves to be dominated by a couple of guys with box cutting knives. the fear of the US people comes from within.
If a good portion of the people on that plane had fought back against the few guys with box cutting knives, the terrorists would have been easily dispatched. this is in fact what happened on the fourth plane. the people heard on their mobile phones what had happened at the trade centre and they realised that sitting in their seats quietly was going to get them killed just the same, so a few of them fought back. that's why the plane didn't reach its target.
Ironically it is the fear of the US people that caused this inability to fight back until it was too late, but it is that same fear that bush is using to try and make his people willing to march off to war. the only way fear can win a war is if the frightened side has MUCH bigger guns, and that's what this whole UN weapons inspectors thing is all about to Bush and Blair.
i know i will get flamed but i call it as i see it. that's how it is. i feel that my opinion is not coloured by personal involvement, my only anger here is that the leaders of some countries are willing to allow many innocents to be killed in nasty ways just to serve their own personal ends. if those leaders want to fight a war, i think they should be physically made to fight that war on the front lines.
[ January 31, 2003: Message edited by: Calum: Member # 81 ]
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Only two historical facts that show the Bush administration's hypocricy:
1- 1984: Iraq uses chemical weapons against Iran. Nobody seems to bother. Where were the Americans and the worldwide community back then?!
2- 1969-2002: 1969 was the year Sadam got hold of his country's fortune. Since then, Iraq, along with Turkey, have slaughtered so many Kurds in North Iraq, it's almost impossible to think of this genocide's extent. Again, nobody seems to bother.
Coincidence? No, if you consider that the US oil reserves will run out in about 10 years from now? Yes, you read correctly. Furthermore, if you also consider that Iraqi oil counts for about 15% of the worlwide oil market, I think you have your answer.
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Originally posted by Panos:
Only two historical facts that show the Bush administration's hypocricy:
1- 1984: Iraq uses chemical weapons against Iran. Nobody seems to bother. Where were the Americans and the worldwide community back then?!
Britain and the USA were selling him the technology and the chemicals for said weapons - that's where they were.
Germany was sorting the nuclear stuff.
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2- 1969-2002: 1969 was the year Sadam got hold of his country's fortune. Since then, Iraq, along with Turkey, have slaughtered so many Kurds in North Iraq, it's almost impossible to think of this genocide's extent. Again, nobody seems to bother.
Bothered! Of course they were. After all The USA had spent a lot of money putting the Ba'ath Party into power - guys they could do business with.
Turkey and the Kurd - Turkey are our allies, our friends (For now at least) and it's not nice to go asking friends about a little bit of mass murder is it?
Anyway it's good for the economy.
zooloo
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I don't know about the conspiracy theories saying that we could have prevented it or that bush had a hand in it... i can never sort that shit out. But does anyone know the plane number that ran into the US Pentagon? This is a game you must play if you think that the US Gov isn't covering something up.... I just wonder what it is....
play find the boeing (http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm)
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Originally posted by beltorak:
play find the boeing (http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm)
Interesting, but...
http://paulboutin.weblogger.com/2002/03/14 (http://paulboutin.weblogger.com/2002/03/14)
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Here's your reason for war:
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I am getting sick and tired of all the America-bashing on this site. I know that most of you fools are either Australian, English, and that the majority of you clowns doing the bashing are between the ages of 14-17 years old.
History 101:
Had the US not intervened in WWII, you lame fucks in Australia would be bending over to get your daily ration of Sushi (the real bad kind...like the shit made out of those ink-squirting squids you have off of your coastline) and Udon (your only meal of the day), after the Empire of Japan pummeled your weak-ass military, took over your oil fields, and made the war a lot harder for the only nation with the balls to take on your adversaries....Oh yeah...you wouldn't be eating Sushi...more like rice with some pig-throat seasoning..
UK:
You're welcome for the US, the only neutral "superpower" nation at the time, for jumping in right before your last planes were ripped into shreds, and your petty isle waned its surrender, displaying the Nazi flag over your capital, with Big Ben chiming the German anthem at every round number that your clock struck. You're welcome for your civilization turing entirely feamle. You, the people that blast us, can thank guys like my grandfather, for you even being born.
Oh....and here comes the nuclear debate.
Yes, we, The Americans, are a bunch of imperialistic, totalitarianistic, pigs. We used all of our military might (the bomb) to conqeuror Japan, and to rule them hands down. Well, shit, Elroy, let's look at economic statistics over the last fifty years, and let's confirm the "American Conquest of Japan." Anyone ever been to Hawaii lately? Never? The Japanese own over 80% of the businesses in Hawaii. Here, in the C.U.S., Los Angeles, they own a 23% market share. And, this is *MAYBE* because there is a grand total of 25,000 of them in the LA area. Pretty bad....poor them....
Back to the bomb, if the Soviet Union had the bomb during WWII, how many German cities do you think would have fallen victim? A country that lost 8,000,000 people in one conflict. A historical study concluded that over 1,000,000 American troops would have died if there was an invasion of Japan. Do you think Russia would have dropped it, had they posessed it?
Not everyone in America drives a gas-guzzeling, late-model SUV. If anything, and if this whole thing goes to war, the Iraqi people are going to come out on top. The US (unlike you, and your ballsless nation...except the UK), will remove this asshole, an asshole who uses his fortune to fuel ignorance, and intoleration, in the name of Allah, by giving $30K (US), to people he claims as martyrs, to bring suffering onto Jewish citizens, of a once, and desiring, peaceful nation.
America is horrible, indeed. It really is. This is the nation that welcomes people like you with open arms, and helps you settle in. We accept anyone of good stature, and give them benefits to do that which is righteous. And what do we get in return? People from Pakistan saying how much they love Osama, and what he does to this country. And their answer to this next question is: "Oh yes, America has the best universities in the land. If I can get a Visa, I am there."
The attitudes on this board are sickening toward my country. Some of you guys are alright, but some of you...I hope you and I never meet. Void main served in this country's military, he took an oath, and I give him absolute credit for never flipping his lid on some of you fuckers.
Keep in mind: this server is hosted in America. The Webmaster is willing, and capable of pulling the plug on you lame, third world, fucks, at any time....
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The propagandists claim another victim.
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Originally posted by LorKorub / BOB:
History 101:
Had the US not intervened in WWII, you lame fucks in Australia would be bending over to get your daily ration of Sushi (the real bad kind...like the shit made out of those ink-squirting squids you have off of your coastline) and Udon (your only meal of the day), after the Empire of Japan pummeled your weak-ass military, took over your oil fields, and made the war a lot harder for the only nation with the balls to take on your adversaries....Oh yeah...you wouldn't be eating Sushi...more like rice with some pig-throat seasoning..
Oh COME ON! that argument is so lame.
If France didn't help you back in the independence war, you'd still be under the rule of the English king. Does that mean you have to put up with everything the French did?
I'm happy the US helped us, but it's not like it was all just goodwill. History 102: They WANTED Europe to have a stable, democratic regime, instead of the Nazi's ruling Europe (after all, if they let the Nazi's go unchecked, it would be a matter of time before their weapons could reach the US mainland).
And the pacific theatre wasn't the choice of the US. If they didn't fight there, they'd be clobbered, since Japan attacked the US (do note that the US came in the war at that moment. Some years after the start of the war).
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Ah freedom of speech.......
Its kind of sad, i read this thread with interest AND an open mind.
Im 34 Im not a child & like void main I took my oath (mine was to serve my queen & country) and I served in the infantry (Im out now), but I still have friends who are now in harms way due to this conflict.
Make no mistake we are ALL in harms way!
this worries me as I have 3 kids under 11 years old.
there have been good and bad points & opinions made and a good bit of anti American shit going on too.
after reading "LorKorub / BOB's" post I realised why there was anti american posts,, its because there are ppl like him in the world who think the world owes them something just because he's an American and the deeds his counrty has done in the past
Sorry but bolloks to that
I, my family, my freinds, and my country owe you nothing my freind.
America is a great country, who does great deeds (because it can, and never asks for thanks) but many of those deeds are never noticed,
why?
because the whole world is too busy noticing the arseholes who shout "We're Americans, You owe us!"
You made good points LorKorub / BOB but your use of profanity in the post lost you credibility in the things you said. A pity!
Didn't an American say
"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
Then another American flames everyone for saying something "HE" doesnt like! HMM go figure!
So much for freedom of speech,,,,,,,,,
The only people who benefit from war are the poeple who make the arms and munitions and undertakers.
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I just skimmed through these posts, I don't have the time or paitence to read them all. Saddam is an evil crazy man who has used WMD before on numerous occasions. However Bush could care less weather he has them or not, Bush wants war no matter what the situation with the weapons inspectors are. War however is not the most logical thing to do in this situation. There is so much that could go wrong. As bad as Saddam is, there are alot of other crazy dictators just like him in the world. And if we did blow up Iraq (again), what would happen when the smoke clears? It wouldn't be pretty. Solution to the crisis: no war as long as the inspectors are there and there is no hard evidence that he is hiding things. I have yet to see hard evidence that he is hiding weapons, I doubt he could hide a whole nuclear program from the inspectors.
Freedom of speech rocks, and I really hate forums with mods who get all powertrippy and censor whoever dosn't agree with them. I like that MES tolerates stupid opinions of a small minority.
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Originally posted by LorKorub / BOB:
I am getting sick and tired of all the America-bashing on this site. I know that most of you fools are either Australian, English, and that the majority of you clowns doing the bashing are between the ages of 14-17 years old.
History 101:
Had the US not intervened in WWII, you lame fucks in Australia would be bending over to get your daily ration of Sushi (the real bad kind...like the shit made out of those ink-squirting squids you have off of your coastline) and Udon (your only meal of the day), after the Empire of Japan pummeled your weak-ass military, took over your oil fields, and made the war a lot harder for the only nation with the balls to take on your adversaries....Oh yeah...you wouldn't be eating Sushi...more like rice with some pig-throat seasoning..
UK:
You're welcome for the US, the only neutral "superpower" nation at the time, for jumping in right before your last planes were ripped into shreds, and your petty isle waned its surrender, displaying the Nazi flag over your capital, with Big Ben chiming the German anthem at every round number that your clock struck. You're welcome for your civilization turing entirely feamle. You, the people that blast us, can thank guys like my grandfather, for you even being born.
Oh....and here comes the nuclear debate.
Yes, we, The Americans, are a bunch of imperialistic, totalitarianistic, pigs. We used all of our military might (the bomb) to conqeuror Japan, and to rule them hands down. Well, shit, Elroy, let's look at economic statistics over the last fifty years, and let's confirm the "American Conquest of Japan." Anyone ever been to Hawaii lately? Never? The Japanese own over 80% of the businesses in Hawaii. Here, in the C.U.S., Los Angeles, they own a 23% market share. And, this is *MAYBE* because there is a grand total of 25,000 of them in the LA area. Pretty bad....poor them....
Back to the bomb, if the Soviet Union had the bomb during WWII, how many German cities do you think would have fallen victim? A country that lost 8,000,000 people in one conflict. A historical study concluded that over 1,000,000 American troops would have died if there was an invasion of Japan. Do you think Russia would have dropped it, had they posessed it?
Not everyone in America drives a gas-guzzeling, late-model SUV. If anything, and if this whole thing goes to war, the Iraqi people are going to come out on top. The US (unlike you, and your ballsless nation...except the UK), will remove this asshole, an asshole who uses his fortune to fuel ignorance, and intoleration, in the name of Allah, by giving $30K (US), to people he claims as martyrs, to bring suffering onto Jewish citizens, of a once, and desiring, peaceful nation.
America is horrible, indeed. It really is. This is the nation that welcomes people like you with open arms, and helps you settle in. We accept anyone of good stature, and give them benefits to do that which is righteous. And what do we get in return? People from Pakistan saying how much they love Osama, and what he does to this country. And their answer to this next question is: "Oh yes, America has the best universities in the land. If I can get a Visa, I am there."
The attitudes on this board are sickening toward my country. Some of you guys are alright, but some of you...I hope you and I never meet. Void main served in this country's military, he took an oath, and I give him absolute credit for never flipping his lid on some of you fuckers.
Keep in mind: this server is hosted in America. The Webmaster is willing, and capable of pulling the plug on you lame, third world, fucks, at any time....
This is one of the most discriminating and profane posts, ever posted in these forums.
:rolleyes:
[ February 02, 2003: Message edited by: Panos ]
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It does appear to me that the slightest dissent about the USA is instantly ignored and condemned as "American bashing".
Perhaps there is a cultural difference, I am British.
In Britain we are fundamentally rebelious - some regions more so than others - so dissent is quite common here.
The USA does seem (I stress it seems) far more conformist as a nation than we are over here.
Anyway... if you're a an American and a post from a Limey appears to be bashing the USA, it may not be in the mind of the author. It's they way we are. (http://smile.gif)
zooloo
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Broad generalizations never do. I've met rebellious and conformist alike. If I wanted to, I could assume all british have bad teeth and mop tops.
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lorkorub has proven himself to be a complete moronic cunt.
i don't give a fuck if that compromises my intelectual position, lorkorub's attitude has pissed me off so much with his assumptions, his lies, his selfish demands, that i have no choice but to say he is a moronic cunt.
as was said above, there is no wonder americans get slagged if you post this all over the internet. for the record there has been NO AMERICA BASHING WHATSOEVER UP TO THIS POINT in this thred. NONE whatsoever. any america bashing you saw was made up in your own moonshine addled head.
i really hesitate to say this but with people like lorkorub around, i understand more how george bush can exist and i have less pity for the american people...
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America is horrible, indeed. It really is. This is the nation that welcomes people like you with open arms, and helps you settle in. We accept anyone of good stature, and give them benefits to do that which is righteous. And what do we get in return? People from Pakistan saying how much they love Osama, and what he does to this country. And their answer to this next question is: "Oh yes, America has the best universities in the land. If I can get a Visa, I am there."
you are the worst scum that has ever walked on this planet. if i had my way, you and yours would be lined up and shot for wasting what little resources we have left on this world. that quote above is ENTIRELY constructed of LIES. i am disgusted that so many people actually agree with you.
i have this to say: "Give me your tired and your hungry".
Australia is just as bad as your country but at least they don't lie about it. the USA is the worst country in the world. there's your yank bashing, but it's true and that's why you're all so sensitive about it.
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Yes, America, the devious evil entity. The plunderer of natural resources. Yes, everything we do is horrible. We don't care about the billions in humanitarian aid we send out each year (that comes from our tax dollars), we don't care about our men and women that we send around the world to provide a glimmer of hope to those who have had none. We just drive our SUVs, eat McDonalds five times a day, and we all live this lavish lifestyle that everyone in the world is so envious of, that we actually have to take a time out from out pints, and explain it to some of you assholes.
Scum? Scum? Is that what you called me, Calum? I thought you could dish out something a little more wholehearted than that. As far as your natural resources comment goes, and about how America wastes its gifts, have you been swimming in the ocean lately? Well, I have, just today. Ours is nice, clean, and as blue as the sky. If I am ever in England, and someone holds a gun to my head and forces to me to go swimming, I'd compromise and eat dogshit with a knitting needle before I'd ever swim in that sewer that you guys call a sea. I'm through with you....
To the guy who said that I "am just an American who thinks the world owes me something." No one owes me shit. Even if I was Ghandi, Mother Theresa, or the Pope, I still wouldn't ask for anything. I am just tired of the American bashing from a bunch of people who neither myself, nor my country, has done anything to. What have we done to Australia? Or the UK? Or France? What causes this angst toward America? We, well at least I, treat these people as guests in my country when I see them, and more importantly, I treat them as friends.
Before you flame me, put yourself in my shoes. I have never been outside my country (with the exception of Mexico and Canada), and I have never, to the best of my knowledge, done anything to any of you. When I read the posts on this board like the McFucking McAmericans, and comments about my country, and the people in it (spoken in broad generalizations), it pisses me off. Sorry if my post was "one of the most profane posts that you have ever read", but I read the same type of horseshit from you people every day. And, no, Calum, it is not true. Not even 10% of it. Obviously you've never been to America. And if you have, and you hold those sentiments, I am sorry you went to the place you did, and met the people you met.
You guys need to practice what you are preaching. You bash Americans all of the time, for the stupidest fucking thing, then someone comes in and gives you a dose of your own medicine, and you all start sobbing like a bunch of girls.
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Originally posted by LorKorub / BOB:
Yes, America, the devious evil entity. The plunderer of natural resources. Yes, everything we do is horrible.
dumbass, are you spouting this shit out of anger or are you seriously under the impression that this sort of comment is the kind of 'america bashing' that you disagree with. these sentiments are nothing like the concerns that real everyday non-US citizens have. those people are motivated by their brains, their thoughts, their concerns and their ideas. did you ever stop to wonder why somebody would mindlessly bash america? no? well there's NO reason, this shows that if somebody bashes america, there must be some reason behind it. Either that or you americans are so used to mindlessly insulting people with no good reason that you imagine the rest of the world does the same. which is it to be? quote:
We don't care about the billions in humanitarian aid we send out each year (that comes from our tax dollars),
you do care. most of you, and in particular most of your politicians reduce said amount every year, and would love to reduce it to zero. nevermind the fact that your economy has fucked up the economy and ecology of all those countries that you oh so generously dole out your spare change to. quote:
we don't care about our men and women that we send around the world to provide a glimmer of hope to those who have had none.
what, by dropping bombs on them? oh i bet they long for the day a US bomber looms overhead and 'accidentally' destroys another civilian settlement or cripples a vital line of supply to their village in the name of democracy. quote:
We just drive our SUVs, eat McDonalds five times a day, and we all live this lavish lifestyle that everyone in the world is so envious of,
sadly, this is true. i really wish you were exaggerating. quote:
that we actually have to take a time out from out pints, and explain it to some of you assholes.
ASSHOLES EH? HOW COME IT'S US BASHING IF ANYBODY SAYS 'USA' BUT IT'S PERFECTLY OKAY FOR YOU TO CALL THE ENTIRE REST OF THE WORLD ASSHOLES? NOBODY has insulted america so far except me, and that was in an angry reaction to your racist post, so stick it up your arse, cunt. you USA people do NOT have a gods' given right to be the police of the world, and to tell people what to do and who to be so shut it when you speak to me.
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Scum? Scum? Is that what you called me, Calum?
em yes it is, well done on being able to read, racist. think you can cope with a word longer than four letters? quote:
I thought you could dish out something a little more wholehearted than that.
is wholehearted really a word? scum's a pretty bad thing, and i also said i would have you shot were it up to me, a statement you have said nothing to change my mind about. quote:
As far as your natural resources comment goes, and about how America wastes its gifts, have you been swimming in the ocean lately? Well, I have, just today.
are you saying the ocean comes from the USA? just another one of your beautiful exports is it? quote:
Ours is nice, clean, and as blue as the sky. If I am ever in England, and someone holds a gun to my head and forces to me to go swimming, I'd compromise and eat dogshit with a knitting needle before I'd ever swim in that sewer that you guys call a sea.
oh yeah? well you know what, here all our trees (those that are left standing) are nice and leafy and green, but you know what? in Norway they have a lot of totally dead forests which have been destroyed by acid rain. you know where that acid comes from in the rain? fuel emissions from england. england destroys the ecology of norway.
here's another little story, you know in japan there are a lot of rich japanese people who use 'disposable' wooden chopsticks? they can afford it, right so why not? japan has plenty of trees! WRONG! those chopsticks are all made from the wood of non replaceable trees taken from the brazilian rainforests. you haven't seen it so you don't give a shit but rainforests cover thousands of square miles in brazil and the brazilian government is not only allowing it all to be clear cut out of existence (which will kill us all regarding oxygen and so on i am sure you needn't be reminded) but they are trying to blame the clear cutting of the brazilian rainforests on its indigenous inhabitants, tribesmen who are being hunted into extinction by the brazilian authorities. the authorities are hispanic, the indigenous inhabitants are aboriginal south americans.
Do you see where this is going? i would not put it past you to think this is all irrelevant in which case, just line up against that wall over there with the others...
One country destroys another country's ecology. why do you think ethiopia is always having a drought? it wasn't this bad last century before all the 'first world countries' started their mass industrialism, coincidence? NO. quote:
I'm through with you....
oh to have the luxury of a yank. some of us don't get a choice over who we associate with. i seem to get landed with trying to show the scum of the world that they have a moral obligation to consider the feelings of others. i am beginning to think this is a lost cause with americans and that maybe somebody should just carpet bomb the whole damn thing (a huge waste i know, of good people and of good land, but at least it'll get rid of the immoral majority).
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To the guy who said that I "am just an American who thinks the world owes me something." No one owes me shit. Even if I was Ghandi, Mother Theresa, or the Pope, I still wouldn't ask for anything.
whoop dee doo. you see guys? how angelic these americans are, they don't ask for anything. BULL FUCKING SHIT. you'd be off crying to your government if america had to become totally self sufficient. even your beloved macdonalds meat is farmed in south america where it's cheaper. quote:
I am just tired of the American bashing from a bunch of people who neither myself, nor my country, has done anything to.
we are all under your heel, yank, and the less you stir it up the better. not only that but NOBODY BASHED ANYBODY UNTIL YOU CAME ON WITH YOUR GUILTY CONSCIENCE AND STARTED SLAGGING OFF EVERYBODY IN THE PLANET BUT YOUR FELLOW ASSHOLES. quote:
What have we done to Australia? Or the UK?
well australia is now a complete clone of the US, and the UK is now a convenient stopover for you to store your nukes in. quote:
Or France? What causes this angst toward America?
americans do.
and while we're at it let me point out that this 'angst' is ALL IN YOUR MIND! there was no yank bashing until you came on and started acting the cunt. quote:
We, well at least I, treat these people as guests in my country when I see them, and more importantly, I treat them as friends.
that's a start, now what about nonwhite nonfirst-world countries? do you cross to the other side of the street when you see those filthy arabs? do you petition your government not to let foreigners into your land of the brave and home of the free? would you rather see the whole of arabia bombed to its knees wiping out thousands of years of history and many innocent human lives just because you want to be part of the nation that polices the planet?
your president has not yet finished descending from the apes and you all follow him like sheep! how can you expect the respect you seem to demand from the rest of the world?
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Before you flame me,
too late. quote:
put yourself in my shoes.
are they size twelve? i'm size twelve (EUR 45) quote:
I have never been outside my country (with the exception of Mexico and Canada), and I have never, to the best of my knowledge, done anything to any of you. When I read the posts on this board like the McFucking McAmericans, and comments about my country, and the people in it (spoken in broad generalizations), it pisses me off.
you speak in generalisations at least as broad. the arrogance of your nation makes people ready to see the piousness in your words. quote:
Sorry if my post was "one of the most profane posts that you have ever read", but I read the same type of horseshit from you people every day.
no you don't, and that sort of holier than thou comment is just the reason that america is rightly regarded as the bully of the world. if you don't like it, vote in somebody who will do a good job, using your 'democracy'. You have a very guilty conscience if you seriously believe there is a lot of yank bashing on this site. and you're not sorry either, i bet. it's just another little tool so you can say how reasonable you are at a later date. quote:
And, no, Calum, it is not true.
what? what's not true? just refuting me as a matter of course are you? in anticipation of any reply i might make? quote:
Not even 10% of it.
10% of what???? quote:
Obviously you've never been to America. And if you have, and you hold those sentiments, I am sorry you went to the place you did, and met the people you met.
i have never been to the states. that has NOTHING to do with it. i am talking purely about the USA's presumtious, insulting and simple minded treatment of the rest of the world. those people that spend most of their lives in the states are much less likely then to know what americans are like. do you think i give a shit if americans are all lovely guys? no. i care that they are fucking up the planet. we don't have the luxury anymore of saying that americans are all nice guys underneath IT DOESN'T MATTER. what matters is that death and poverty are imminent and if we as a species don't stop serving ourselves (as the american dream tells us to) then we will die a slow and painful death and what's worse, we will take the earth with us.
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You guys need to practice what you are preaching.
everybody needs to practice this. quote:
You bash Americans all of the time, for the stupidest fucking thing,
how many times have you said this so far? are you trying to convince yourself it is true? well one more time then: NOBODY BASHES AMERICANS ON HERE. THE YANKS WHO TAKE OFFENCE HAVE GOT A GUILTY CONSCIENCE OR THEY WOULD NOT BE SO SENSITIVE TO NONEXISTENT CRITICISM. quote:
then someone comes in and gives you a dose of your own medicine,
speaks shit, more like. you seem to think that you need to visit america to see how they treat people in the middle east, you seem to think your many imports do not count as 'asking' the world for anything. get a life and a grip, not necessarily in that order. quote:
and you all start sobbing like a bunch of girls.
that was a very poor shot. even my scum remark was better than that, perhaps because it was from the heart. my points are mostly rational and are based in fact, perhaps that's what you meant by 'like a bunch of girls' since girls tend to have a more rational and intelligent approach than boys.
[ February 04, 2003: Message edited by: Calum: Member # 81 ]
[ February 04, 2003: Message edited by: Calum: Member # 81 ]
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LorKorub, you should also know that posting obscene or profane remarks in the forums constitutes a direct violation of the terms and conditions you agreed upon, when you joined. Not that you'd care. Just a friendly reminder.
[ February 04, 2003: Message edited by: Panos ]
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I just want to say that, as an American (in the state of Missouri, to be exact), I am ashamed of LorKorub's posts in this thread. I don't think we should go to war with Iraq, and I find myself in agreement with a lot of the posts here.
I hope you guys understand that LorKorub is not representative of all of America. The majority of Americans can think rationally and don't mind a little bit of constructive criticism.
That being said, I move that this thread be locked.
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i want to apologize. not all americans are this arrogant & closed minded. though it does speak loudly for what most people in this country think. id say he is a perfect example of why the world hates us.
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hey calum, i wear the same size shoe as u!
anyway....
do u think that US citizens really want the US to be policing the world? that we want to bomb other nations? i don't think bombing does anything except waste millions of our tax dollars for doing nothing more then makeing the rest of the world hate use even more. i also can't stand that we are giving so much money to countries that hate us (and countries that we hate)...
AND WILL SOMEONE PLZ tell me why u ppl think bush is sooo bad??
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Originally posted by emh:
I just want to say that, as an American (in the state of Missouri, to be exact), I am ashamed of LorKorub's posts in this thread. I don't think we should go to war with Iraq, and I find myself in agreement with a lot of the posts here.
I hope you guys understand that LorKorub is not representative of all of America. The majority of Americans can think rationally and don't mind a little bit of constructive criticism.
That being said, I move that this thread be locked.
i would like to say that i fully acknowledge that lorkorub probably represents a minority of US citizens, however it only takes a handful of men to forge the foreign policy of a huge nation, what if they happen to fall into that bigoted minority too?
In the US you have a unique form of democracy, you vote on everything so that there are tons of public offices that nobody even gets nominated for. all you good hearted ones just need to get your twenty signatures and run for some office. after a while you'll all be moving up the ladder, or else you won't and there'll just be more and more of you until all the local offices are filled with open minded and fair individuals! why do you not take advantage of this opportunity?????
it annoys me that the US citizens, whatever they may think, allow this to happen. Your democratic system allows you to change the way your country is run so if you really do disagree with the way it is run then do something about it. That is really all. I observe that the US citizens have *not* done anything about it and i am left with no choice but to assume that they are happy with the way things are.
and my problem with bush is that he is firstly very stupid, and therefore is a puppet for those around him, and secondly he is selfish and singleminded. he could be spending all that war money on education, housing, health or the legal/penal system in the US (they are all on or over the brink of complete desolation from what i have heard from many US citizens, it's a big country though, so i suppose not everybody finds themselves at the sharp end) but instead he chooses to attack countries in the middle east for reasons of economy, trading and general oneupmanship (you know US planes were spotted flying over Afghanistan the night before the sept 11 disaster?) and that's my problem with bush. he's fractionally better than clinton and gore i suppose, but nader would have been a lot better, in my limited foreign opinion.
FYI by the way, the 'Mike Strikes Back' link in my signature leads to a page which lists updates on the state of the US which is frequently updated, so if you're interested, do visit it often. i have a feeling it's a more accurate state of the union roundup than some you may have heard recently.
[ February 05, 2003: Message edited by: Calum: Member # 81 ]
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I say america should open their doors to weapon inspectors and allow the international community entrence into any site on US soil without advanced notice. The same for Israel, North Korea and China.
If the US can demand this of Iraq why can't Iraq demand this of the US.
I am more concerned with what Israel is doing that what Iraq might do.
The US is policing the world but who is policing the US?
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that's my point. of course that's something the US will obviously rail against whether they are in the wrong or not. that's why the opinion of the US should not be considered when it comes to keeping the US in check.
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why can't they do this?
it wound't be in the interests of national security.....
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your national security comes in second place to the rest of the world's international security i'm afraid. that's something the US government evidently does not realise going by it's latest derisive attitude towards the UN.
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I say america should open their doors to weapon inspectors and allow the international community entrence into any site on US soil without advanced notice. The same for Israel, North Korea and China.
If the US can demand this of Iraq why can't Iraq demand this of the US.
I am more concerned with what Israel is doing that what Iraq might do.
The US is policing the world but who is policing the US?
Actually you can do that. US knows which Russian nukes aim to what US cit. Russia knows which nuke aims at what Russian city.
Let Iraq in and do inspections to whom and what?
At least in all its crazynes US and Russia had a mutual understanding called if I remember MAD. The
understanding was that if one nuke launches from whatever country the world is going to end.
At least US and Russia havent used nukes. What about Japan you will ask.
WELL YOOPSEE DOO!!!! The fucking war was over. Germany had given up and they still kept on fighting. They brought it on their own heads. Lets not forget how many MILLIONS of people died during WWII. Lets not forget what the values that the Axis was standing behind.
On another note.
The people that are so readily to bash another country with comments that are too general, should at least travel a bit and read news from all kinds of sources.
Being an arm chair politician,,,,its easy, because it requires not much of thinking.
No country is perfect. Eeeeeeeevery country has done its share of shit. So get off your high horses and be realistic.
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"LorKorub, you should also know that posting obscene or profane remarks in the forums constitutes a direct violation of the terms and conditions you agreed upon, when you joined. Not that you'd care. Just a friendly reminder."
On a forum dubbed "www.fuckmicrosoft.com", I think I have the right to be as obscence and profane that I damn well please. But, of course, when anyone, anywhere, is challenged in a debate, and given a mouthful of the shit they feed onto everyone else, then it is a problem. And a big one at that. Then the vote for censourship comes in. I do understand, though. If the internet was around when I was fifteen years old, and I had a daily dose of Rage Against the Machine to fuel me after muffins and toast, I would probably exhibit the same type of sexually frustrated, anglo male characteristics that Calum posts all over these forums. Until this thread, have I displayed any such behavior? Was there any such remark that would make me, an American, fly off the handle like I did?
The answer to both questions is NO.
If you want to know the main reason, it is because I think people like Calum, X11, and the rest of you guys, even though I agree with *some* of the things you say, are wrong in how you go about it. The attitude that you display toward Americans, in general, is no better than what a bunch of rednecks would display toward Blacks, in my country. By saying what you do, and acting like you do, you're not putting yourself on some high pedistool, and escaping with your "all-mighty Eurpoean peace" attitude. In the end, you are simply acting like a bunch of assholes, your quoting techniques resemble that of a bunch of hypocritical jerk-offs, and your game is lame and tiresome. As racially diverse as my country is, and the obstacles that people like me have to partake in to overcome these attitudes....everything you carelessly ramble toward my country, my home, are offending. As I said in an earlier post on this thread, not all Americans adhere to your stereotypical standards. And that is the reason I fired them back at you.
My family, here in America, the United States, comes from a wide variety. I have Black, Navajo, Cherokee, Italian, Greek, Polish, Jewish, Hispanic, (in about three months Persian) and Russian that make up the ensemble at my family's dinner table. I guess I am a 'moonshiner' and 'racist', or whatever you've called me. Let me tell you something, English Boy, (or Scottish...I forget where you are from), there has not been a day in my life that racism, degregation, or any form of persecution, has payed off for me in the slightest. Since I am not what you claim me to be, I don't need to sit here and justify myself, what I have done, the attitudes I have taken, and my personal changes that I have made to overcome anything I have taken to keep my family together, keep everyone happy, and to do it in this country. I will tell you one thing, and one thing only: When you insult my country, say the type of horseshit that you do, burn me for not sharing a "worldwide opinion (which is just mostly a European opinion)', and insult my counrty, you shit in the face of everything that I have accomplished in my life, you level the foundation of which is my family, and you do it for....God knows what. Probably just for the sake of argument. You remind me of that little rat-faced piece of shit, Zach De La Rocha, who preaches that "Capitalism is the Ultimate Evil of Society." Wanna know where he lives? He has a nice, and expensive, pink house at the top of the hill, just to my North. Capitalism made he, most of the guys that you quote, and a lot of other people, very rich. You like to rip my posts to shreds with your toy-ish QUOTE button, maybe you should play with that in which you hold so dearly.
The bottom line, in my family, is that we consider ourselves as AMERICANS. If you don't like my political opinion about what we should, or should not, do in Iraq, then fine. Approach this topic with a little bit of impartiality. Don't simply call me an 'ignorant, taco-eating, MacDonalds-chuggin, Coors-drinking, neanderthol, with fake-titted-hookers, and blow to feed my masochist, American, attitude, douchebag." I am far from the contrary. And I am not going to even get into politics with you...
And, Calum, AKA Cumstain, I don't know where your post was when you said it, but I'll paraphrase: "If there was an Arab, you'd cross the street."
No sir...The Arab that I 'crossed the street on' was very happy I did so....
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glad to see you're so pissed off, and don't you love it when somebody 'paraphrases' you to mean something totally different from what was originally said?
for the record, i think you go about it the wrong way too. to illustrate:
on one hand a lot of people say saddam is a violent nutcase who has to be stopped, so let's have a nice loud war and kill an entire nation of innocents with a bombing campaign, now we have decided that sanctions won't kill them off.
On te other hand a lot of people say saddam is a violent nutcase who has to be stopped but these people have more than one braincell to share between them and they think that having a war is a bad idea either way and that something else should be done.
personally i think that saddam (and his immediate aides) should be assasinated using the technology that we have at our disposal today. yes that would make a mockery of our international law, but it's a mockery anyway. and yes it would breach the geneva convention, but since when does, for example, america flinch fom breaking an international agreement? (ref: Kyoto protocol).
Why do they not assasinate saddam? for some political and propaganda reasons they want a war.
and anybody who wants a war is stupid, end of story. calling me a cumstain will not up your IQ rating.
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Calum, where did I say that I wanted war? Why don't you go play with your quote button again, use grep, search through my post, and quote me where I said that I wanted war.
I have no quarrel with any of the Iraqi people, short of their government and certain officials. In fact, the people of Iraqi descent, in my country, are some of the kindess, most God-fearing people that I have ever had the pleasure of knowing. Here is the kicker: most of them agree with everything our government is trying to accomplish. Some are not entirely happy with the nature by which it is being handled, but most understand, and possess the optimism of looking toward the future.
Since you somehow, and suddenly, gained maturity, and hopped off the global crucifixtion bandwagon of my country for three seconds, maybe you can digest the fact that most of these people, the same ones I respect and admire, hold the same type of sentiments toward Saddam, Iraq, and the current situation involving them. I don't think I have to remind you that oppressive totalitarians are harsh people, and that they give two fucks about anything, including, but not limited to, sympathy and humanitarianism.
I am not having this debate with someone such as yourself. In your mind, a man who pledges $30K to the surviving members of the family of a 'martyr' who commits suicide bombings against innocent Jewish civilians is alright...so long as they have anything to do with America.
This same man, who will go to these extremes, is trying to build a nuclear weapon, one capable of reaching your home before it will reach mine. Given his track record, if anything displeases him in the very nature of the world, he will probably launch it at the Jewish citizens of Israel. Why would he do it? Because he can.....sound familiar?
When you lose 2500 of your countrymen on a single day, during a gutless, and cowardly attack on innocent civilians, who did nothing to these people but live on a different side of the ocean, then you have the right to bash away.
Until then, sonny, the only 'bashing' you should be doing better have something to do with the acronymn BASH that we all love.
Regardless of anything political, I am angry at the attitudes, generalizations, and downright stereotypical nonsense that some of you people exhibit toward my country. I find it offensive, and sorry to bring it back to you, but as was said here in the states: "Give them a mouthful of the shit they are shoveling, and then they'll understand." Some of the content displayed on this board could be considered racist, simply by changing the words "Yanks" and "Americans" to "Black" or "[enter rude racist term here]"
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ho hum. get a grip. you're losing all your insults at once, you won't have any left for tomorrow. i thougt californians were supposed to all be hippies and pinkos?
it's very old news that the iraqis don't like saddam but boming them is not helping anybody, iraq has 6000 year old cities still standing (and being hideously defaced by saddam in some cases), it is home to the 2600 year old city of babylon.
It would be a great shame to go for a dresden style campaign against saddam, ruining iraq in the process, people and country. I say depose saddam legally or illegally with the minimum of harm to iraq, and with a minimum of military mobilisation if possible. and get rid of sharon from israel too while you're there.
and i never said you wanted war. go and read through my posts et c and tell me where i said that? such childish games. you should become a politician.
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ho hum. get a grip. you're losing all your insults at once, you won't have any left for tomorrow. i thougt californians were supposed to all be hippies and pinkos?
No californians are pigheaded bastards that all they want to do is smoke away there future with drugs and what not. I bet atleast 65% of my classmates are californians and im willing to put money down theve all smoked weed before. and have an average of 2.0 for a gpa. I swear there trying to take over montana, we need a big 100 foot wall of cement around montana to keep them out. there like mexicans getting in the US.
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Originally posted by LorKorub / BOB:
Had the US not intervened in WWII, you lame fucks in Australia would be bending over to get your daily ration of Sushi (the real bad kind...like the shit made out of those ink-squirting squids you have off of your coastline) and Udon (your only meal of the day), after the Empire of Japan pummeled your weak-ass military, took over your oil fields, and made the war a lot harder for the only nation with the balls to take on your adversaries....Oh yeah...you wouldn't be eating Sushi...more like rice with some pig-throat seasoning..
Your a racist, and your blind, and you dont know what your talking about. The US only intervened because it bacame the problem with pearl hourbor, the same with the war in europe, US people had to die before the US cared about anybody else. Your geverment is selfish.
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Oh c'mon, every government is selfish! they have to be! That's why we have separate governments. And besides, WWII was a long time ago. If a similar incident such as WWII happened nowadays, the US would be the first to intervene.
You can't be racist by hating australia, we're the same race!! X11, you can't deny that the US's involvement in WWII had a postive effect for the Allies Forces. I don't know if the Axis would have won though.
Lorkorub, its been over half a century. If Japan had conquered Australia back then its unlikely that they would still be slaves today. They would definitely be different and under communist rule, but they probably would have found a niche in whatever society they'd been assimilated into by now.
This is dumb and irrelivent anyway.
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Originally posted by LorKorub / BOB:
On a forum dubbed "www.fuckmicrosoft.com", I think I have the right to be as obscence and profane that I damn well please. But, of course, when anyone, anywhere, is challenged in a debate, and given a mouthful of the shit they feed onto everyone else, then it is a problem. And a big one at that. Then the vote for censourship comes in. I do understand, though. If the internet was around when I was fifteen years old, and I had a daily dose of Rage Against the Machine to fuel me after muffins and toast, I would probably exhibit the same type of sexually frustrated, anglo male characteristics that Calum posts all over these forums. Until this thread, have I displayed any such behavior? Was there any such remark that would make me, an American, fly off the handle like I did?
I've noticed that the members of this board try to gang up on people they disagree ever since I joined here. The people here are simply followers of each other. People like the so-called "evil" Gerorge Bush are called "leaders".
Leaders have a mind of thier own and think for themselves wheras the followers do not have a mind of thier own and they think from thoughts expressed by other people.
The leaders will always be above the followers simply because the leaders know how to be on top. Do you know why everybody here hates me so much? It is because I'm not a follower and I'm always thinking. I will say whatever is on my mind regardless of what the other members will think about it. I am the kind of person who single handidly argues my thoughts out and I do not feel the need to be fueled by other people who actually agree with my thoughts. With that said....I'm definatley not one of the followers. ;P
It is quite annoying how these kids like to talk about freedom(and how Linux is the key to computing freedom) but they seem to think that censorship(anti-freedom) is the answer to people they don't agree with. Personally, I feel that a person who rambles on about freedom but feels that it is right to censor free speech is a god damn hypocrite.
BTW, the only reason people from 3rd world countries like to bash the US is because the US is a greater country than thier country. To the people who will disagree with that comment....prove m wrong. Show me that your country is better off financially, economically and military wise and I will eat my words. As far as I know, the US is one of the richest countries in this world(because we know how to be powerful)....'nuff said.
(EDIT)To LorKorub / BOB,
Don't think for one minute that I'm going to be your ally in this thread just because I agreed with things you had to say(not that I think you want to start a gang against the others and be a hypocrite ;P). I will argue with you just as quickly as I will the rest of the people in this thread. Like I said, I'm not a follower and I'll just leave it at that. ;P
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Some fair points, apart from this...
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
As far as I know, the US is one of the richest countries in this world(because we know how to be powerful)....'nuff said.
I would say you are the richest country because you commided genocide on a practically continental level and gaining, in the process, massive amounts of safe land and free resources.
I just wanted to point that out, don't bitch to me about being raccist/anti-american, it's the truth.
Feel free to complain about the British Empire...
I'm not proud.
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BTW, the only reason people from 3rd world countries like to bash the US is because the US is a greater country than thier country. To the people who will disagree with that comment....prove m wrong. Show me that your country is better off financially, economically and military wise and I will eat my words. As far as I know, the US is one of the richest countries in this world(because we know how to be powerful)....'nuff said.
we might be a very rich country, but when it comes down to it, we are a land of arrogant "jocks". i use jocks, because of an analogy i heard comparing nations. america is the high school jock of the world. we act first, and we think later. its always been like that. and i use jock because jocks are generally simple minded, and americans are very un-educated. look at most civilized nations, they can speak more than one language, americans are only taught english, and they cant even speak it that well. we have an option to take other languages, but why?? everyone should speak american english anyways right?? if we are the greatest nation on earth, why does this country have so many stupid problems? like the homeless. if we are the richet most powerful nation, why does a person go hungry? why cant everyone recieve the same medical benefits? a lot of people cannot afford to recieve quality medical attention. why are teachers so underpaid? why do football & basketball athletes get paid MILLIONS to play a game? why does the gap between rich & poor get larger every year? why do huge corporations get away with not paing taxes & monopolies, when me, joe bloe gets my ass rammed every year for being a good citizen. then i get to lose more freedoms for being a good citizen? why do we call ourselves a democracy, when the average citizen cant to a goddamn thing about anything, but that narrowminded billionaire over there gets to influence the gov, so he can save a few bucks duriing tax time. our nation is bullshit. and the reason third world countries bash us, is because we step all over their traditions & beliefs. we tell them what is right and wrong, but who is to say that? certainly not us. who do we think we are? i will not ever say this is the best country in the world. i think most americans need to get their heads out of their asses and see that there is a larger world out there. fuck america for being the worlds bully.
it takes more to be the "greatest" country than money & a good military. we are very uneducated, and our priorities are fucked. it sounds like you are saying, "i can kick your ass, so that means i am better than you", "i own 27 exotic cars & 3 mansions, i am def better than you". you know that is bullshit.
/must stop, head hurts.... rambling incoherently......
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Do you know why everybody here hates me so much? It is because I'm not a follower and I'm always thinking.
Not quite; it's actually because you're a fuck.
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Originally posted by ecsyle_one:
we might be a very rich country, but when it comes down to it, we are a land of arrogant "jocks". i use jocks, because of an analogy i heard comparing nations. america is the high school jock of the world. we act first, and we think later. its always been like that. and i use jock because jocks are generally simple minded, and americans are very un-educated. look at most civilized nations, they can speak more than one language, americans are only taught english, and they cant even speak it that well. we have an option to take other languages, but why?? everyone should speak american english anyways right?? if we are the greatest nation on earth, why does this country have so many stupid problems? like the homeless. if we are the richet most powerful nation, why does a person go hungry? why cant everyone recieve the same medical benefits? a lot of people cannot afford to recieve quality medical attention. why are teachers so underpaid? why do football & basketball athletes get paid MILLIONS to play a game? why does the gap between rich & poor get larger every year? why do huge corporations get away with not paing taxes & monopolies, when me, joe bloe gets my ass rammed every year for being a good citizen. then i get to lose more freedoms for being a good citizen? why do we call ourselves a democracy, when the average citizen cant to a goddamn thing about anything, but that narrowminded billionaire over there gets to influence the gov, so he can save a few bucks duriing tax time. our nation is bullshit. and the reason third world countries bash us, is because we step all over their traditions & beliefs. we tell them what is right and wrong, but who is to say that? certainly not us. who do we think we are? i will not ever say this is the best country in the world. i think most americans need to get their heads out of their asses and see that there is a larger world out there. fuck america for being the worlds bully.
it takes more to be the "greatest" country than money & a good military. we are very uneducated, and our priorities are fucked. it sounds like you are saying, "i can kick your ass, so that means i am better than you", "i own 27 exotic cars & 3 mansions, i am def better than you". you know that is bullshit.
/must stop, head hurts.... rambling incoherently......
Do you know why there are alot of homeles people, why people go hungry in this country, why the education level and proper use of English has went downhill, etc. in America?
The answer is simple. It is because we take in so many members of third world countries. The non-Americans take jobs that should be there for Americans(which explains the majority of homeless&hungry Americans, not all though...some of that population is just lazy people who will not work). The reason the education has went downhill is because our government and schools *LOWER* educational standards so the immigrants can make it. The foreign people bitched that the American education standards were unfair because they were geared towards white Americans(which was total bullshit) so they started to lower the standards. Education was alot better in the 60's, 70's and early 80's before we started getting overwhelming numbers of immigrants.
Modern American English can be blamed on the immigrants too. I don't have time to explain this one right now because I have to leave for work but if you have any brains at all you will be able to figure out how the immigrants have fucked up what is considered normal English. Just rememeber, back in the 60's, 70's and early 80's there weren't a bunch of wannabe gangters walking the streets speaking in some fucked up, made up language.
To make a long story short. The 3rd world countries and the idiots like Clinton who complied to 3rd world country standards are the ones who fucked this country up.
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Not quite; it's actually because you're a fuck.
I'm a fuck? What in the hell is that supposed to mean? Does that mean that you guys feel that I would be a good fuck or something? That wouldn't surprise me since the most of you are non-pussy getting queers. ;P
Why don't you try saying something that actually makes some kind of sense? Just reading that one sentence makes me feel that you retarded. Anyone with brains would've said something that was thought out a little better. A smarter person would've also made sure that the comment made sense.
You're a fuck....ROFLMFAO. My little nephew can compose a better thought than that.
(EDIT)Oh, and FYI. The reason you think that I'm a fuck(whatever that is supposed to mean) is because I don't follow the same shit that you follow. I bet you that if I was an anti-MS Linux zealot you would just sit around and feed on every word that I have to say much like how you guys feed on every other Linux zealot.
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Do you know why everybody here hates me so much? It is because I'm not a follower and I'm always thinking.
I laughed out loud when I read this. What the hell does that mean? You're nothing but a pathetic, worthless troll who disagrees with everything everyone says just to get attention.
Oh yeah, and you are a stupid fuck as well.
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I laughed out loud when I read this. What the hell does that mean? You're nothing but a pathetic, worthless troll who disagrees with everything everyone says just to get attention.
Oh yeah, and you are a stupid fuck as well.
while i haven't been here long enough to judge zombie's character, i do agree with some of his statements. (but, i don't think that all of our problems are caused by the everflowing stream of immigrants.)
however, the liberal morons who are lowering standards just to let students pass frightens me. i have not seen this happen in the area i go to school (Pennsylvania), but i have heard of controversy coming from Florida about lowering a passing grade to 30%!!!! i just think that's insane, and there is not way that our country's education system can EVER improve with methods like that
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the liberal morons who are lowering standards just to let students pass frightens me.[ February 10, 2003: Message edited by: Siplus ]
Why are they liberal morons exactley?
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i have heard of controversy coming from Florida about lowering a passing grade to 30%!!!!
That's florida for you. This nation is definitely tilted toward the southeast because that's where all the loose marbles roll.
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Broadly labelling liberals as "morons" is not a very accurate or responsible statement. Besides, Jeb Bush runs FL anyway, and he's a big conservative. Speaking of dumbing down the school system, many conservatives are the same people who wish to teach the non-science of creationism and "intelligent design theory" to our nation's students. I'm shocked that they are taken seriously in this country. I guess it just goes to show how the fog of religion is indeed thick here in the States. Blame it on all the Baptists and the irresponsible media (watch Larry King and the psychic frauds who come on his show to see what I mean, that and shows like "Crossing over with John Edwards") Personally, there are many issues I take a liberal stance on and some I take a more conservative stance on. I do think both camps have their fair share of morons, though.
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a couple of hundred years ago it was witches (we got over that in scotland in the 1600s), then in the age of radio it was commies, now it's muslims, liberals and nonconformists.
If people are going to criticise something, they should get their facts straight. the US is a very nonliberal country, and i can't help but laugh when i hear US citizens saying how the liberals are dragging their land down. bollocks. you only have the selfish right wing moneymakers amongst you to blame for your own country being slowly ruined from inside, and i wish more US citizens would realise that and take control of their country. think how great the US could be if its citizens were not so jaded! both of your political parties are the same (except your 'democrats' are a pack of liars), so it's no wonder that people don't vote, much less stand for office. ironically that's the only way any of you will change anything, excepting a full on social coup.
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No californians are pigheaded bastards that all they want to do is smoke away there future with drugs and what not. I bet atleast 65% of my classmates are californians and im willing to put money down theve all smoked weed before. and have an average of 2.0 for a gpa. I swear there trying to take over montana, we need a big 100 foot wall of cement around montana to keep them out. there like mexicans getting in the US.
First of all, 'californians' is spelled with a capital 'C.'
Second, all they want to do 'smoke away THEIR future.' 'There' refers to a physical place, or a fragment of time. 'Their' refers to posession, that which you were indicating.
Third, it is 'they've' smoked weed, not 'theve.' In our language, this is called a contraction. It is an abbreviated portion of speech that combines two words into one. In this particular case, it stands for "they have."
Fourth, you should probably just move to Vegas, and place wages for a living. Yes, I have smoked weed, I liked it, and Lord knows that with the grammatical skills you possess, that the mentally retarded must be awarded scholarships in Montana.
Fifth, and I'll try to roll all that I've missed into one, we capitalize the first word of every sentence, spell properly, and use contractions in their respective aspect at the collegient level.
Since you are obviously a stupid, piney, redneck, Montana, beveled-cunt, I am not going to waste my time on your backwoods, uneducated, hick ass. As for your Mexican comment, I am half Mexican. Just go ahead and call me a "spick", or a "wetback", and get it over with. People like you are fucking idiots. Go to Iraq, protest against America, and do the world a favor by being a human-shield with Sean Penn, Angelina Jolie, and the rest of the fuck-offs.
Zombie: You and I don't agree on much, if not anything, but you are exactly right. People on this board cannot stand anyone who disagrees with the popular voice. People on this board constantly bash America, and when someone stands up, everyone jumps on them. The funniest thing I found about it, was at a site called "fuckmicrosoft.com", and a dickhead comes in with a "you signed a EULA agreement when you signed up here" comment LOL...too funny. If there is anyone out there writing a paper on hypocracy, make sure you send them here. You people need to edit your profile, and under the "location" field, change whatever you entered in to "France."
The thing that saddens me, is that I'd love to debate the US foeirgn policy issues here that everyone bitches and moans about. I'd like to talk about the upcoming war, my confusions, and have a constructive debate about them. Unfortunatley, I've found that this board contains a bunch of biased, partial, front-runners, who are hellbent on jumping over anyone with an opinion, strictly because of their nationality, their race, or where they live -- a bunch of ignorant, and stupid reasons. It has become apparent that a lot of people here have limited to no knowledge of US foreign policy, economics, sociology, and exhibit the common traits of cruelty, uneducation, and ignorance, not to mention the inability to see things from a different perspective.
Having a round of constructive criticism and debate here is futile. People here cannot handle rebuttle, so why bother?
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last night i saw a 2 hour documentary about the iraq situation.
there were representatives from many countries there, certainly from all countries who have expressed a specific opinion. the german was coherent and interesting, so was the frenchman. the two scots were very coherent and astute, the three english guys, while i thought they were condescending and had incorrect opinions, were very articulate and well thought out, the guy from india was communicative and intelligent, and the guy from iraq was sensible and well spoken too. Only the US representative resorted to namecalling and poopooed other countries' efforts, dredging up incidents from each of their histories about how bad they all were and how they had sold equipment to iraq and were all as bad as each other et c.
As the french representative pointed out in reply however we all know which nation has sold the most weapons to iraq and which nation buys the most oil from iraq when it comes down to it.
the bottom line, americans are very very quick to point the finger, i mean just look at the post above, but they are very very poor at taking the simple criticism that most of us take on board, consider and use to improve ourselves. perhaps this means americans are behind the rest of us when it comes to self improvement, perhaps not.
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its about 3am here and someone in a chat channel just told me to turn on the news cause we just started bombing iraq, but my cable's down. I don't believe it (they were probably screwing with me), but it sure would be weird if it were true.
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its about 3am here and someone in a chat channel just told me to turn on the news cause we just started bombing iraq, but my cable's down. I don't believe it (they were probably screwing with me), but it sure would be weird if it were true.
[ February 13, 2003: Message edited by: Macman: LITERALLY a genius / bob ]
Nah, they were screwing with you but you propably know that already. However, at this point Iraq's bombardment is inevitable. What seems to be stalling this whole operation is the denial of the French and Germans to contribute to these absurdities. Thank God Europe started finding its own voice!
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Perhaps you should act on you "self improvement", and begin with opening an English book. Pay particular attention to the first three chapters pertaining to basic grammar.
Once you accomplish that feat, I will then educate you on ecomonics, and why the French, the Indians, and the Germans are taking the positions that they are.
But, then again, why bother? It is obvious that your ideas are skewed, partial, and echo with the same directed cultural angst toward this country that you have been spewing out of your mouth since the day I read this board for the first time.
Go buy all of Michael Moore(on)'s movies, more RATM albums, and buy into every piece of shit that you have been sold. You are one of 50 million people that buy into that bullshit, think that you are getting an education, yet are accomplishing nothing short of feeding their bank accounts, and adding to their armadas of BMWs and Jaguars. Better yet, go burn all of your history books. Hitler would be proud that he finally was able to break the spirit of one Englishman.
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scotsman, dumbass. I'm from Orkney.
and just read over your last post again, and if you still don't see why you are beyond hope, then you are truly beyond hope.
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While we're stirring up political shit:
I'm a conservative
Oh, I'm a Republican
I got a small schling
I like to bomb niggahs
and make a lot o' bling
I got a bunch o' friends
in high up places
They helps me get dem
government graces.
You think I'm smart
I just know who's who
I couldn't run a fruit stand
without the red white & blue
I'll drop some crap
about Jesus the Christ
You'll buy it all
and vote for me twice
'Fact, Jesus is comin'!
Real soon, now!
So we gotta prop up Israel
That ol' sacred cow
Don't need no history
Don't need no schoolin'
I got my ideology
To keep me a shootin'
Liberals! Faggots!
Commies and queers!
Socialist hippies
Full o' pussy tears
Propaganda's m'friend
But I calls it "fact"
Even though I don't read
'Cept for Chick tracts
Facts? No! Don't need em here!
We're conservatives! We work on FEAR!
Don't like what we say?
Well FUCK YOU, bud!
We'll shove it down yer throat
and tell ya it's good!
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(http://jsmagic.com/spam/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif)(http://jsmagic.com/spam/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif)That's great!
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Drat! How did me manage to keep all anti bush discussions to this thread? Hmmm...
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This thread is a year old.
STOP BUMPING old threads.
this is also is the thread that has void main's last post here ever in it.
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While we're stirring up political shit:
I'm a conservative
Oh, I'm a Republican
I got a small schling
I like to bomb niggahs
and make a lot o' bling
I got a bunch o' friends
in high up places
They helps me get dem
government graces.
You think I'm smart
I just know who's who
I couldn't run a fruit stand
without the red white & blue
I'll drop some crap
about Jesus the Christ
You'll buy it all
and vote for me twice
'Fact, Jesus is comin'!
Real soon, now!
So we gotta prop up Israel
That ol' sacred cow
Don't need no history
Don't need no schoolin'
I got my ideology
To keep me a shootin'
Liberals! Faggots!
Commies and queers!
Socialist hippies
Full o' pussy tears
Propaganda's m'friend
But I calls it "fact"
Even though I don't read
'Cept for Chick tracts
Facts? No! Don't need em here!
We're conservatives! We work on FEAR!
Don't like what we say?
Well FUCK YOU, bud!
We'll shove it down yer throat
and tell ya it's good!
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Sounds like Micheal more all he has to do to convince the weak minded is show some pictures of moms crying, and some saudis getting in planes, and boom its fact. Listen you go agianst moore you worship the devil. The point is no counrty should sit back and watch people die, Bush is the first polotician who does what he wants a true man, not a man directed by Polls. Clinton even said, and I dont like him too much but he is a pretty smart man himself, that people have to get ut out of their heads that Bush is their for oil money. and this is from a what, a democrat. Also the complaints about gore and not winning guess what its called the electoral college and its not new and was made by democrats. Also Kerry's supporters have said that he should be president of American just because he was in the war. how about when dole was running, was he not a WW2 Vet. Personaly if you study your damn politics and look at the fine details about the facts then you learn that the democrats are normaly lying or manipulative.
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god dammit i knew someone would make some post that would start up the debate again
if anyone else posts here with a big long reply, I WILL COME TO YOUR HOUSE AND CUT YOU
[ July 17, 2004: Message edited by: the stiller ]
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quote:
the stiller: if anyone else posts here with a big long reply, I WILL COME TO YOUR HOUSE AND CUT YOU
"Blabla political blabla congres blabla Void Main, blabla whine blabla" * 2
Long enough? ;)
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quote:
Originally posted by Refalm:
"Blabla political blabla congres blabla Void Main, blabla whine blabla" * 2
Long enough? ;)
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*bumps thread in a blatent attempt to annoy Sauron* :p
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omg, a necroslapped thread. and with such a bleh topic as well...
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10 out of 10 Sherlock this thread still alive, I would have never guessed it, but don't go and kill it with your usual picture abuse!