Stop Microsoft
Miscellaneous => Applications => Topic started by: Zombie9920 on 29 August 2002, 20:08
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Netscape browsers have continued to lose market share at a steady clip, falling to a new low of 3.4 percent as of this week, according to new figures. A year ago, Netscape's market share stood at 13 percent, but fell steeply to 7 percent by March, as IE 6 gained popularity. IE has now reached 96 percent market penetration, according to StatMarket, up from 87 percent a year ago. Mozilla gained some market share when it finally reached a 1.0 release earlier this year, but browsers such as Mozilla and Opera still only accounted for less than 1 percent of the market, StatMarket said.
Read full story here (http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1629)
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I'll also add my 2 cents. ;P
I am not at all surprised to see that Mozilla only has 1% of the market share and Netscape is losing share. I mean come'on. We all know that IE is the superior browser. Mozilla doesn't even work with extra mouse buttons.
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Well, you may get the extra mouse button functionality in IE, but Mozilla doesn't crash your OS or infect your system with a virus the way IE can. Mozilla is my default browser because once you give it an honest try, you realize how much IE sucks for the above reasons and more. BTW, Doesn't Opera have a feature that idenitifies it as IE? If so, IE doesn't have as big as a market as the story says.
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I know lots of people who use Opera... it identifies itself as Internet Explorer in most add-free-to-your-website-stat-sites. This also included in the largest stat-site in the world, Nedstat. It even identifies Mozilla as Netscape 6.
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I am not at all surprised to see that Mozilla only has 1% of the market share and Netscape is losing share. I mean come'on. We all know that IE is the superior browser. Mozilla doesn't even work with extra mouse buttons.
Uhm yes it does IDIOT. You just don't know how to use a computer. The middle or extra button on a traditional 3-button mouse opens a new tab for browsing. Asshole
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You forgot to mention the back and foward mouse shortcut buttons on 5 button mice(like my MS Intellimouse Optical or the 5 button Logitech mouse).
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I got Mozilla configured using on my Kengsington trackball to use a four-button mouse. But that's due more to Kengsington's mouse-works software than anything else :D
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It is either the mouse software or maybe Mozilla is better on the Mac.
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
I'll also add my 2 cents. ;P
I am not at all surprised to see that Mozilla only has 1% of the market share and Netscape is losing share. I mean come'on. We all know that IE is the superior browser. Mozilla doesn't even work with extra mouse buttons.
I mean come'on. If It was'n for M$hit's Pigopolistic ways (illegal bundling), IE would have never taken off. Nobody liked it before it was bundled, and that dirty tactic basically forced the undeniably superior Netscape out of the market. I mean come'on. IE is like a welcome mat for viruses (just like lookout express). I mean come'on. Mozilla actually IS faster, and looks a heckuva lot better. Its more customizable too. I mean come'on. Mozilla dosn't keep track of every page you go to, and everything you do on the net, and then send it all to M$ so they can sell off your personal life. I mean come'on. You are a real fuck-tard.
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I mean come'on. :D
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We all know that IE is the superior browser
I know no such thing. I've used it extensively in the past, back when I still ran Winders. Superior it ain't! IE is responsible for probably 99.9% of the BSODs, it's the slowest browser I've ever used, and it renders lousey-looking fonts even on IE-friendly sites. (http://tongue.gif)
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StatMarket provides Web designers and Web software developers valuable market share data on browsers, operating systems, plug-ins and more. The service gathers information from millions of Internet users a day to more than 125,000 sites worldwide actively using WebSideStory?s HitBox
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Originally posted by dbl221:
Uhm yes it does IDIOT. You just don't know how to use a computer. The middle or extra button on a traditional 3-button mouse opens a new tab for browsing. Asshole
Uhm the default behaviour is to open a new window, not a tab. Or it was that way here, at least (with the version that comes with RH 7.1 and a source build of 1.0). For the record, it isn't actually a *button*, more a wheel (wheelmice are useful thingies. They work in Mozilla too).
But that's besides the point. Mr. Undead: did you configure Linux to use those buttons, and did you configure Mozilla to use them? (why the hell do you need 'back and forward mouse shortcut buttons' anyway?)
Actually, IE in Win has some advantages over other browsers. For example, it's (partially) loaded during OS startup, so the code is in memory, so the program starts faster and stuff. Not that that's technical superiority or anything (not to mention fair), since you *do* need to load it, it is just hidden in the huge startuptimes of Windows. Mozilla actually has to be completely loaded when you execute it.
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Originally posted by jtpenrod:
Furthermore, this data is highly suspect. Opera and Konqueror can both be set up to "lie" and identify to every site you visit as IE. There's no way for (S)HitBox to know the difference. Sites like these routinely misidentify browsers such as Galeon. And they completely barf when confronted with something like QNX's Voyager.
As for myself, I prefer Mozilla for its speed: it's the fastest browser I've ever used, and for its outstanding copy 'n' paste capability. I like Konqueror and Opera for their superior printing capability. IE is just about the last browser I'd ever use. Towards the end of my Winders-using days, I ditched it with IEradicator.
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Since Linux only holds under 1% marketshare in the OS market, I'm sure that Konqueror and Galeon do not make a very big difference in the percentage of IE use identification. Opera may accomodate like a whole 2 or 3% of the IE identification. IE still hold a unbelievably high slice of the browser pie.
IE isn't slow on a decent system. The only time I thought that IE was slow is when I was working on a 486 in the shop. Of course everything is slow on a 486. ;P IE can be slow on Pentium classics with 16MB or less ram. If you have a modern system IE is not slow at all, end of story.
IE was a culprit for BSODs in Win9x(a Win9x system can be stable with IE though). Anything can be a culprit to BSODs in Win9x because Win9x is an unstable kernel. BSODS from IE in WinNT/2K/XP/.NET are a thing in the past(I have never seen IE cause a BSOD or Kernel shutdown in NT).
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
or maybe Mozilla is better on the Mac.
Everything is better on a mac.
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
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Of course everything is slow on a 486. ;PQB]
lynx isn't slow on a 486.
(http://tongue.gif) :D :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
IE isn't slow on a decent system. The only time I thought that IE was slow is when I was working on a 486 in the shop. Of course everything is slow on a 486. ;P IE can be slow on Pentium classics with 16MB or less ram. If you have a modern system IE is not slow at all, end of story.
When i say slow i mean page loading, Mozilla loads in 2 secs in Linux and 3 secs in Windows. And im using quicklaunch in windows. IE loads pages much slower than Mozilla.
Anyway Arachne goes fine on a 386
http://browser.arachne.cz (http://browser.arachne.cz)
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Since Linux only holds under 1% marketshare in the OS market...
More highly questionable statistics. Just how does one make such a determination? Unlike M$ soft, Linux either isn't sold by any corporation (Debian), and even if it is, you can get "corporate" distros like Mandrake or Red Hat via third-party outlets such as Linux Central or Edmunds Enterprises, not to mention being able to download ISOs from God-knows-how-many mirror sites all over the world. Since Linux doesn't have the restrictive EULAs that Macro$uck foists onto the buying public, you can buy one set of Linux CDs and install them onto as many systems as you please. The Mandrake CDs that came with the boxed set I bought have been installed onto several different systems. That's one sale for market share, but three different installs. To say that Linux has less than 1% of market share is meaningless.
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IE isn't slow on a decent system. The only time I thought that IE was slow is when I was working on a 486 in the shop. Of course everything is slow on a 486. ;P IE can be slow on Pentium classics with 16MB or less ram. If you have a modern system IE is not slow at all, end of story.
I have a Micron Millenia Extreme (1.8GHz Pentium IV, 256MB RAM, 80GB HD) does this qualify as a "decent system"? I still have Win 95B tucked away on an itty-bitty 3.0GB partition. And it has IE 5.5. Of all the browsers I've used, IE takes longer to load a page than any of the others. Netscape 4.7, and Opera both load pages far faster than IE on Winderz. That's the real end of the story. That, and the constant BSODs, is why I don't use the damn thing. Unfortunately, IE is jammed into the OS so tightly, I had to reinstall it because I got so sick and tired of seeing all those idiot boxes informing me that such-and-such was broke and I needed to reinstall Winderz. :mad: Furthermore, if so many folks out there do use IE, it's because His Gatesness has seen to it that they don't have any choice in browsers, :( not because it's a better browser. If it truly were good, then His Gatesness wouldn't have to force it onto every user of Windows. (http://tongue.gif) It could stand on its merits alone. Quality: whudda concept :eek:
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[ September 01, 2002: Message edited by: jtpenrod ]
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I totally agree that Mozilla is a lot faster then IE.
But some of the pages i design just don't show up in Mozilla , iether the CSS problem or who knows what. Oh wait, I know , I am running Windoze. Just because this is my dad's machine.
Anyways, Mozilla is a lot better , but I still have to have a version of IE laying around ...
[ September 13, 2002: Message edited by: drew k ]
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My favourite:
-Mozilla (although it doesn't render some pages properly)
-Galeon (based on Mozilla but a lot faster)
-Konqueror (keeps getting better ;) )
and last but not least:
-Lynx (only for pure HTML pages but a great browser. Ultra fast and compact)
Sorry Zombie but IE is a lot slower than the aforementioned browsers even on a fast machine (decent as you said) ;)
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enable pipelinging in mozilla, great spead increase. what does it do anyway.
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Ummm...WTF?
I have to comment on one of the earlier posts, as it is just plain wrong.
As of Mozilla 1.1, I have no problem using all of my mouse buttons (left, right, wheel, wheel button)
I don't see what the problem is - do your homework before you flame.
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Everything is better on a mac.
Yup!
[ September 13, 2002: Message edited by: The_Muffin_Man/B0b ]
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Originally posted by dbl221:
Uhm yes it does IDIOT. You just don't know how to use a computer. The middle or extra button on a traditional 3-button mouse opens a new tab for browsing. Asshole
Lmao right on!(http://216.40.249.192/mysmilies/cwm/cwm/cwm27.gif) As for me I use them both on my 2k box. Occasionally there might be a page that mozilla doesnt display properly, but for the most part it performs smoother than ie. On my redhat machine I use mozilla primarily and konq- as my secondary. Right now I just wish that a flash 6 player would be released for mozilla...
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Originally posted by drew k:
But some of the pages i design just don't show up in Mozilla , iether the CSS problem or who knows what. ...
why? do you write shit html? if you need to use a wysiwyg to write html, then use mozilla composer. at least then you'll get html that's compatible with most browsers. if you are writing html that only works in IE then quite frankly, i hope never to see your sites. quote:
Anyways, Mozilla is a lot better , but I still have to have a version of IE laying around ...
mozilla certainly is better however you give me no reason whatsoever that you need to keep IE around. It sounds like pure laziness to me.
oh yes, and welcome to the board! :D
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choasforages: enable pipelinging in mozilla, great spead increase. what does it do anyway.
It says it's experimental... does anyone got this working good?
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Originally posted by Refalm:
It says it's experimental...
Hey, that give's me an idea.... [hopping over to the "What does 'XP' stand for" thread] (http://smile.gif)
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Zombie did you hit your head really hard when you were little?
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Mozilla is slow and sluggish on my computer (keep on mind it runs smoothly on all the other systems I've used), so I use Opera.
I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but I find Mozilla bloated.
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How slow is your computer? I have an old pentium 233 lying around and Moz runs fine on that.. It's certainly not any more bloated than IE.