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Operating Systems => Linux and UNIX => Topic started by: trc3 on 19 April 2002, 15:41
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Hello, well ive finally gotten myself away from that god afull "os" called windoze, but before this ive never had any contact with linux or unix except my mac with osX, i guess that kinda counts? whatever...basicly im lost ive installed freeBSD 4.5 on my 800mhz pc and i have no idea where to go from here. Really i just want to start the gnome or whatever GUI but i dont know how? Im not to into command line stuff, i dont mind it that much i just dont know the commands, although at heart im one of those point and click assholes. But i really dont like m$ so i decided to switch, plus it was only $15 and from what i know much more stable...I just need a little point in the right direction, i didnt have any money to buy any books on it i was hoping to find some stuff online. So basicly if anyone can tell me how to start one of the GUI's(when i start i get a prompt with $ ,i fooled with the few commands i could figure out but i cant start a GUI) and also if anyone could point me in the direction of some good tutorials and that kind of stuff. Anyways thanks in advnce to anyone that can help or has any suggestions...
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hey! welcome to the forums! look forward to hearing from you, i don't have BSD myself so i'll be really interested to see what you think of it.
I only know a bit about linux, but much of it will apply, i'm sure one of the diehards will fill in the real details later on today.
try typing "startx" at the command prompt, and see what happens. if that doesn't work, try typing "whereis startx" which, i am guessing should tell you the full path to the application "startx", then type in the full path (eg '/usr/bin/startx' or wherever it is) and see if it runs.
There's a lot more stuff that could be said about getting the GUI to work in unix (and i haven't used BSD so i know little about your setup) so i'll let others fill in the specifics now.
seeya around trc3.
PS do you have some way i could get a copy of FreeBSD off you through the mail? i could send you a couple of blank CDs in exchange or something. I am in Scotland, are you close by? send me a PM please if you can be arsed copying BSD for me, ta...
[ April 19, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
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yea ive heard of redhat and thats its one of the more "point and click" freindly ones. But i wasnet really planning on buying a new os when i left my house, so i didnt put much thought into it, also they did have redhat but it was $70 and i dont have much money.
[ April 19, 2002: Message edited by: trc3 ]
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quote:
Originally posted by Zombie9920:
If you are a point and click asshole and you insist on using *nux you should look into RedHat Linux or Mandrake Linux. Those are the most user friendly distros of *nix.
aren't you a point and click asshole yourself, windowszombie48791961241314831285?
have you tried any distros of linux to test yr theory about red hat? sometimes it can be a bit weird, and i've heard many good things about SuSE and Mandrake too, as far as point and click goes.
Plus, if you could read and think at the same time, you will see he has BSD set up, and not linux. he does not want info on the best linux distro, he has got BSD already and wants to start using it. When you have OS specific info about BSD i will look forward to reading your further comments on the matter. Until then, fuck off.
oh yes, and, HAVE A NICE DAY! :D :D :D
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fair comment, until the last paragraph, can't you commute without insulting people?
can you really do all the stuff with dos you can do with windows? how about burning a CD? hey, how about editing a 32bit colour image?
or a 16 bit stereo sound file?
what about editing scenes in a film?
remember, the X environment, and any window managers running on top of them are "command line" programs themselves. windows claims to be something more than a frontend for dos.
anyway, why don't you go and suck a thin man? ??
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quote:
Originally posted by trc3:
yea ive heard of redhat and thats its one of the more "point and click" freindly ones. But i wasnet really planning on buying a new os when i left my house, so i didnt put much thought into it, also they did have redhat but it was $70 and i dont have much money.
[ April 19, 2002: Message edited by: trc3 ]
if you have a CD burner and i high bandwith, you can download the image for RedHat nad most other *NIX OS's.
I tried to install and run FreeBSD strictly from the command line... an hour later i installed red hat instead for my server. I prefer Red Hat. i may try slackware sometime soon.
I am using red hat for my main computer, i uninstalled the KDE 2.X that came with it and installed KDE 3.0 instead. I believe KDE to be better than gnome, but its really whatever you prefer.
and i suggest you ignore most of zombie's comments
[ April 19, 2002: Message edited by: Master of Reality ]
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quote:
Mandrake = VERY USER FRIENDLEEE
Red-Hat = Nice, friendly, but unix knoledge helps
Slackware = Real Unix*, a perfect operating system
Umm not really you linux whores. Here's the real deal:
Mandrake = Cute, lovable and mean when it's needed
RedHat = Runs any server you need almost perfectly
Slackware = Wannabe hackers' last option, upgrades like an @$$, supports almost nothing, made for diehards
Debian = The new Hacker's Linux
Open BSD = Real UNIX and unbreakable to boot
HP-UX = Good for everything that's not X86, mostly graphix
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wtf are you talking about? THIS GUYS WANTS HELP ON BSD - HE DOESNT GIVE A SHITE ABOUT LINUX!!!! DUH!
I donn know shit about BSD - so i wont say anything about it - but you arseholes have to reply with 'Get Mandrake its dead brilliant' - IF you dont know shit about BSD why dont you let other peopel who do reply - YOU MORONS.
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First of all, you must be sure you configured xfree86 during the installation. If not, then startx wont help.
To configure X you can type /stand/sysinstall at comaamnd prompt, that will give you the installatin menu where (i don't rememger undr what menu) you can reconfigure X matching your hardware.
There are also some progs to configure X directly, like xf86setup (or maybe XF86setup) don't remember exactly :(
Anyway, if you type xf and then Ctrl+D you'll be given possible commands to complete (thats if you are using csh(C shell)).
whatis name_of_comaand will give you short description of what that prog does.
And look at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html)
Good luck!
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quote:
Originally posted by Ask Arnie:
linux whores
Hah! (http://tongue.gif) windows transvestite! quote:
Originally posted by Mojo:
wtf are you talking about? THIS GUYS WANTS HELP ON BSD - HE DOESNT GIVE A SHITE ABOUT LINUX!!!! DUH!
I donn know shit about BSD - so i wont say anything about it - but you arseholes have to reply with 'Get Mandrake its dead brilliant' - IF you dont know shit about BSD why dont you let other peopel who do reply - YOU MORONS.
That's what i said. Except that i am one of the people that you are swearing at who doesn't know about BSD. I tried to help anyway, putting my 2 cents worth in, and mentioning that further info would probably be required since i only know about linux.
I tried to help anyway, which is more than i can say for you. I don't appreciate being sworn at when i am only trying to be civil and perhaps helpful. The programs this chap is having trouble with are the same programs that people use for the same job in linux, so it's not as if it's the OS from another planet or anything. Now do you have anything interesting to say? or are you just wasting space like zombie156158615686?
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Ask Arnie (..)
Hah! (http://tongue.gif) windows transvestite!
You're a m00r0n. It appears you have no ability to read OR write whatsoever. If you had you would have noticed that windows was nowhere on my post.
It would appear that in your "holier than god" crusade against Windows, you would screw (for lack of a better description) the first OS to make a pass at you, namely Linux. Notice that I never dissed on Linux, except maybe Slackware which is really hitting rock bottom. If you haven't used BSD, trust someone who knows Unix better than most of you. Linux is not God, it's not even close as far as OSes go. So get over yourself already!!
As for trc3, you should start f*cking learning command line cause it's gonna be your bread an butter in Un*x. Otherwise go back to Windows. Nobody will blame you. You might wanna try reinstalling your BSD and making sure to select all of the packages having to do with X (you might wanna try installing everything).
Otherwise, you already got all the advice you need. That and make sure to find a quicker way to configure your system. I seem to recall this program called webmin which allowed you to do either remote admin or just regular admin through a web interface. That's all, just holler if you need anymore advice.
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hmm...
I'm not sure how far you got, but you have to make sure you have XFree86 installed. Preferabley 4.*. Which comes in the ports collection.
in:
/usr/ports/X11/Xfree86 ( i think that's it )
you can do a
make; make install;
or you can put the install cd in your drive and type:
/stand/sysinstall
choose the add packages option, then you can add Xfree86 and KDE, Gnome, Windowmaker, enlightenment, etc...
I'm not sure about the others, but I use KDE, you need kdebase installed if you want to run kde.
also, you need xwrapper installed, if you want to use X windows with a user other than root.
/usr/ports/X11/wrapper
do a:
make; make install;
I'll say how to start kde, because that's what I use, I don't know how to set it up to use gnome. You should go to the FreeBSD website, and read the hand book for more details.
but for KDE...
once you have xfree86, xwrapper, and kdebase installed.
configure xfree86, there's a script to do this, just type:
xf86config
at the prompt, and choose all the necessary options. The script always gets my mouse wrong, I'm guessing it's because it's usb. But just edit the file:
/etc/X11/XF86Config
I have my mouse protocol at "Auto"
I'm currently on windows cuz i was watching a DVD earlier, so I don't know the exact syntax.
Option "Protocol" "Auto"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" # for mouse wheel
once you get Xfree86 configured though, make a file called .xinitrc in your home director ( aka ~ ) and put the following line in it:
startkde
then just type:
startx
it should work...
But if not, ask questions to the freeBSD mailing lists, available at their web site. Whenever I have a question I just email the mailing list, and I usually get a reply pretty fast.
If what i typed is like giberish, sorry, I've been up for the past 19 hours.
Good luck,
Mike
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As I read over my post, I thought something I said might have been a little ambiguous.
xfree86 3.* comes standard with FreeBSD4.5, but 3.* sucks, I was only able to get 256 colors out of it. So make sure you install xfree86 4.1.* that comes in the ports collection.
/usr/ports/x11/XFree86-4
I'm not an expert on xfree86, so I'm not exactly sure what packages are necessary, but if you have enough hard drive space, like me, I just installed all the packages that started with XFree86-4* ( ie: XFree86-4-clients,-documents,-libraries,-manuals, etc etc )
also, you can check to see what packages you already have installed by typing:
pkg_info
if the list is too long, press scroll lock, and use the arrows to move up or down, and then press scroll lock to get back to the prompt.
if the list is still to long, type:
pkg_info | more
that will make it so you can just press enter to see the next line.
Good luck again.
Mike U
P.S. IMO Microkernels > Monolithic Kernels.
IE: FreeBSD > Linux
Reguardless what Linus Torvalds says.
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quote:
Originally posted by askani:
You're a m00r0n.
and you're a cunt. quote:
It appears you have no ability to read OR write whatsoever.
you called me a whore, i called you a transvestite, get a grip, cunt! (http://tongue.gif) quote:
If you had you would have noticed that windows was nowhere on my post.
it doesn't matter if it was! you insulted me, i insulted you, now we're even, get fucked! :D
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It would appear that in your "holier than god" crusade against Windows, you would screw (for lack of a better description) the first OS to make a pass at you, namely Linux.
My religion allows for many gods, i appreciate that you elaborated on your "whores" comment, but i think you are making some simplistic and exclusionist assumptions about many of the posters on this board. quote:
Notice that I never dissed on Linux, except maybe Slackware which is really hitting rock bottom.
who cares? dis linux all you want, but start dissing me, and i'll dis right back, dumbass! quote:
If you haven't used BSD, trust someone who knows Unix better than most of you.
My trust is in your hands oh guru of unix, oh god of command lines, grow up! This "my unix is better than your unix" problem has been recurrent in the history of unix and is one of the reasons that there are so many variants. (yes, i know all about proprietary licences and different hardware architectures before you start) quote:
Linux is not God,
i feel sorry for you with that religious hangup, were you buttfucked by nuns as a child perhaps? quote:
it's not even close as far as OSes go.
right so what you're saying is that nobody should use a piece of software till it's completely perfect? well how's that going to happen if people don't use/talk about the software in question? quote:
So get over yourself already!!
my thoughts exactly.
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As for trc3, you should start f*cking learning command line cause it's gonna be your bread an butter in Un*x. Otherwise go back to Windows. Nobody will blame you.
i would :D quote:
You might wanna try reinstalling your BSD and making sure to select all of the packages having to do with X (you might wanna try installing everything).
Otherwise, you already got all the advice you need. That and make sure to find a quicker way to configure your system. I seem to recall this program called webmin which allowed you to do either remote admin or just regular admin through a web interface. That's all, just holler if you need anymore advice.
FINALLY!!!
When i answered originally, i said a couple of sentences to start the ball rolling, then i said does anybody else have some info. It has taken 16 posts to actually get these few scant words of genuine advice from somebody. My honest thanks, AskArnie, for that, because as you imply (but never actually said, your words being too full of self righteous drivel), this topic has been far too full of "why not just get linux" responses.
With that mentality, people, a lot of "how do you use linux" questions would have been answered with "why don't you just use windows?" instead of the helpful answers we often see on these pages.
AskArnie, while i appreciate that you might know tons about unix, and i might not know that much, it does not amount to beans unless you stop insulting people and get on with initiating us all on your holy unix secrets.
I look forward to reading your posts.
[ April 21, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
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Ok, OK. I got it. But pease stop with the name calling. It tends to get annoying really quick.
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Ok, well ive gotten freeBSD installed, but i cant get it to recognize my mouse. I have a microsuck intelli mouse or whatever its called the optical one, and ive also got a sony ps/2 mouse, but i cant get either one to work. Also i dont know what video card i have, i have one of those god awful sony vaio computers, i think it has some sort of video card built into the motherboard(is this possible)? i dunno besides not knowing the video card everything has been smooth except i still cant get a GUI. But ive been playing around with command line to little avail...Does anyone know how i could go about finding out what video card i have?...
Thanks in advance to anyone with help, also thanks to all the people that replied with help.
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Originally posted by trc3:
Ok, well ive gotten freeBSD installed, but i cant get it to recognize my mouse. I have a microsuck intelli mouse or whatever its called the optical one, and ive also got a sony ps/2 mouse, but i cant get either one to work. Also i dont know what video card i have, i have one of those god awful sony vaio computers, i think it has some sort of video card built into the motherboard(is this possible)? i dunno besides not knowing the video card everything has been smooth except i still cant get a GUI. But ive been playing around with command line to little avail...Does anyone know how i could go about finding out what video card i have?...
Thanks in advance to anyone with help, also thanks to all the people that replied with help.
i have a video card built into my (other) motherboard, i currently cannot get it to work under red hat 7.2
Onboard shit is a bitch
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I have the exact mouse. Microsoft USB Optical Intellimouse. And I got it to work fine on FreeBSD.
I'll try to explain how.
do a post install configuration:
type at the prompt:
/stand/sysinstall
go to the menu:
Configure -> Mouse
press enter on enable, and just say it is working even if it isn't.
Then exit, the configuration.
Depending on which XFree86 you installed, this differs from 3.* to 4.* versions. But I'll explain the 4.1.* because that comes in the ports collection with FreeBSD.
If you ran the 'xf86config' script, it'll make a the file:
/etc/X11/XF86Config
xf86config never gets my mouse correct, so i have to edit the /etc/X11/XF86Config file manually
open it up ( using ee, which comes with FreeBSD, or if you're comfortable with vi, use vi, but ee is hella easy )
type:
ee /etc/X11/XF86Config
then scroll down to where it says this: **********************************************************************
# Core Pointer's InputDevice section
# **********************************************************************
Section "InputDevice"
# Identifier and driver
Identifier "Mouse1"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocol" "Auto"
Option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
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these are the exact lines in my file which makes my mouse work perfectly. The Mouse1 is the default identifier. /dev/sysmouse refers the the mouse daemon ( moused ). The protocol is what xf86config always fucks up with my mouse, it used "Intellimouse", which made my mouse go to the corner all the time. "Auto" makes it work. Go figure. ZAxisMapping is for the mouse wheel.
once you edit it, and save it, ( using ee, just press escape, exit, and when you exit, it'll ask if you want to save it ).
then that should get your mouse working in X windows.
As for your video card, I have no clue. ;o)
type at the prompt:
dmesg
then use scroll lock to scroll up with the arrows. My video card is labeled:
pci1: <PCI bus> on pcib1
pci1: <NVidia GeForce DDR graphics accelerator> at 0.0 irq 10
Look for something similar, that should give you an idea what your video card is. Also, when you start up your computer, the first thing you should see is your video card's bios. That should also give you an idea what your video card is. Unless you got something like a compaq, which hides all the bios details from the user. Then you'd have to rely on dmesg.
If that doesn't work, you'd have a lot better luck asking the freebsd-newbies email list. They're always helpful, but you need to give as much details as you possibly can. Even if it doesn't mean much to you, it could determine whether people will be able to help you or not.
I hope this helped.
Mike U
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First off i just want to say thanks to all of you for your help. Ok, ive gotten it to recognize my other mouse but not the Microsoft one, but i still cant get the video card right. Its a Direct AGP intel810E, i searched on google and found a few things about problems with linux and these video cards. But anyways it had the my card in the list but i cant get it to work, in the list it says intel810, mines a intel810E is their a diffrence? Also i think it might have something to do with the monitor, im not completly sure i have the settings right. Anyways hopfully ill get things worked out soon.