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All Things Microsoft => Microsoft as a Company => Topic started by: Kintaro on 27 November 2002, 14:52

Title: Microsoft helps Vim charity
Post by: Kintaro on 27 November 2002, 14:52: http://www.vim.org/ (http://www.vim.org/)

[20-Nov-2002] George Reilly, empoyee at Microsoft, challenged Vim users at Microsoft to raise money for their favorite text editor. They managed to raise $1,375. Microsoft will match that with $1,275, yielding a total of $2,650. You can read the full message here. I am grateful for the Microsoft employees and Microsoft itself to help Vim's charityware concept! More info about Vim's charityware here. (Bram Moolenaar)
Title: Microsoft helps Vim charity
Post by: voidmain on 27 November 2002, 15:33: Oh NO! Now I might have to switch to EMACS! (http://smile.gif)
Title: Microsoft helps Vim charity
Post by: Calum on 27 November 2002, 15:41: i think helping charities is a great idea, and it's one of the things i like about vim over emacs.

however i do think that charity donations as a form of public ego stroking are abominable. this sum is a drop in the ocean compared with what microsoft could afford as a company, and also compared with the advertising revenue that this boost may have costed otherwise.
Title: Microsoft helps Vim charity
Post by: voidmain on 27 November 2002, 15:45: I think it was an appropriate sum, and appropriate that it come from the employees. If they would have given much more I think it would have drudged up much controversy. This way they lay kinda low and we all get another hint that they use open source apps internally instead of their own crap. (http://smile.gif)
Title: Microsoft helps Vim charity
Post by: preacher on 27 November 2002, 17:33: The real question is whether they are using vim internally on *nix boxes.
Title: Microsoft helps Vim charity
Post by: voidmain on 27 November 2002, 17:36: Well, they surely are at hotmail on their BSD boxes. They probably have some *NIX boxes at HQ. And I know they still use some IBM AS/400 machines.
Title: Microsoft helps Vim charity
Post by: Calum on 27 November 2002, 18:01: they will have a lot of *nix machines. know your enemy and all that.

even the free software foundation had and probably still have proprietary *nix machines for years even though they are pioneering Free software.

everybody who's anybody in computers uses *nix for something these days.

[ November 27, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
Title: Microsoft helps Vim charity
Post by: DC on 29 November 2002, 02:09: /* Behold! It's back! */
<mode id=FUNDY>
Vim SINNERS, Repent while you can! This is a clear cut of the alignment of Vim with the SATAN GATES!
Save your soul while you still can! Join the Church of EMACS (http://www.dina.kvl.dk/~abraham/religion/)!
I pray for all you Vim users to our saint and prophet, the holy RMS!
</mode>

Calum: of course fsf has proprietary *nix boxes. How can they write replacements for the damned stuff if they don't have it?
Title: Microsoft helps Vim charity
Post by: voidmain on 29 November 2002, 02:20: Well they certainly don't need, nor have needed proprietary *NIX boxes for quite some time. Whether they do or not I don't know. I would be willing to bet that a few of the mailing lists might have some proprietary NIX boxes in the mix, but only because this type of stuff is so open and hosted by whoever wants to host it. If the UNI has an old Solaris box sitting in the corner doing nothing why not use it as a news archive? Of course they could throw Sparc/Linux on it. The whole point of Free software is it can be used anywhere, even on proprietary systems. If that wasn't the point there wouldn't be a GCC for Sparc/Solaris, for HP-UX, for AIX, for Windows, etc.
Title: Microsoft helps Vim charity
Post by: LorKorub on 3 December 2002, 16:46: Man....

I just read this. Horrible news! Vim was my favorite editor.

Oh well, looks like it's apt-get install jove time.
Title: Microsoft helps Vim charity
Post by: enigma on 4 December 2002, 03:04: um... whats VIM?
Title: Microsoft helps Vim charity
Post by: DC on 4 December 2002, 03:25: quote:
Originally posted by Got Root? / Bob:
um... whats VIM?

Vi Improved, a new version of a text editor, Vi, quite popular under Unix users (except under those who use EMACS). Not the most user-friendly at start either.
Title: Microsoft helps Vim charity
Post by: Kintaro on 4 December 2002, 11:39: I really dont think it will make vim worse, it was the "Microsoft Employees" who used it. And of cource they use Unix, according to the previous owners of Hotmail the software "Could only work on Unix".

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But they could just change the Open Source code in apache to report as that... Just like voidmain did...
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Title: Microsoft helps Vim charity
Post by: Kintaro on 3 January 2003, 17:14: Really we should all save up $12,750 and donate and say From FUCKMICROSOFT
Title: Microsoft helps Vim charity
Post by: dbl221 on 11 January 2003, 20:35: There is a great book from NewRiders for VIM

"Vi IMproved -- Vim"
ISBN: 0-7357-1001-5

$49.99 USA / $74.95 CAN / 38.99 UK

auther: Steve Oualline
Forward: Bram Moolenaar
Title: Microsoft helps Vim charity
Post by: voidmain on 11 January 2003, 20:40: Holy crap Batman! It outta be good for 50 bucks.
Title: Microsoft helps Vim charity
Post by: Stryker on 12 January 2003, 14:09: quote:
Originally posted by void main:
Holy crap Batman! It outta be good for 50 bucks.

And windows outta be good for $200, but i'm sure the book is more of an investment.
Title: Microsoft helps Vim charity
Post by: Calum on 13 January 2003, 13:49: re: the church of emacs (http://www.dina.kvl.dk/~abraham/religion/). wait wait wait! these people are abusing my religious beliefs! my religion states that i balieve that every other religion may be true. HOWEVER i am not sure if you can just deify a unix text editor and expect me to worship it. i don't think those guys really worship emacs so i'm not taking it too seriously until i hear that some emacs users have all drunk the kool aid together because they think richard stallman is going to end the world on january the 13th 2013 or something...

funny site though..

also, lighten up people! microsoft gives money to charity, big deal, it's part of their marketing...