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Miscellaneous => The Lounge => Topic started by: Stilly on 3 May 2004, 21:37
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there seems to be no topics here that are pro bush so im making this one to give a little balance. I dont really like bush much either. this isn't a topic for bashing bush or saying bush is slowly eroding our rights and shit.
so here goes.
bush is one badass fucker, he lowered taxes and he is going to win the coming election. he also got rid of saddam
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OMG BUSH IS SO GRATE CUZ HE LOWERED TAXES AND KICKED SADDAMS BUTT NOW THE IRAQIS ARE FREE THEY R SO UNGRTEFUL TO OPPOSE AMERICA AND NOW THEY NEED TO CAPTURE BIN LADEN WUTS WRONG WIT THE PATRIOT ACT WE NEED IT TO PROTECT THE AMERICAN PEEPLE FUCK THE FRENCH EVERYUNE WHO DISAGREES WITH BUSH IS AN ANTI-AMERICAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111 LOLOLOLOLOL
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I am so thankful for Bush. I can not believe those LIBERALS oppose the war in Iraq. The LIBS just do not get it. Our troops are fighting for our freedom. Those WMD's are there somewhere, trust me. I also like Bush becuase he is a good christian. America needs those good morale values. I also appreciate Bush for supporting those who make anti-masturbation devices for good christian parents to use on their kids. America needs good values. God bless George Bush. Fuck French people, and the rest of the world for that matter.
[ May 03, 2004: Message edited by: Paladin9 ]
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your satire sucks, btw...
the reason for the scarsity of pro-bush posts is because
1) it is impossible to speak to the close-minded, and i got no where with all of you the past few times i tried
2) i do not possess the skill of persuasion, so even if you didn't have the "LIB" mindset of "you're wrong and i'm right" i probibly wouldn't convince you anyway
3) i don't care about debating anymore...at least online
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Originally posted by Siplus:
your satire sucks, btw...
the reason for the scarsity of pro-bush posts is because
1) it is impossible to speak to the close-minded, and i got no where with all of you the past few times i tried
2) i do not possess the skill of persuasion, so even if you didn't have the "LIB" mindset of "you're wrong and i'm right" i probibly wouldn't convince you anyway
3) i don't care about debating anymore...at least online
I agree. All of those people out there who do not like Bush are close minded. It seems that you and Jimmy are the only open minded people here. God bless the USA. Fuck the rest of the world.
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I agree. All of those people out there who do not like Bush are close minded.
that's funny...i don't remember saying anything about anyone not like bush is close minded. funny how "LIBS" put words in my mouth (so to speak)
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Originally posted by Siplus:
that's funny...i don't remember saying anything about anyone not like bush is close minded. funny how "LIBS" put words in my mouth (so to speak)
Your right. Those damn liberals always put words in other people's mouths. Those fucking french liberals.
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who said anything about the french?
besides...liberals lie all the time. i'm not saying conservatives do not, merely that they lie less, and not as severly
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Originally posted by Siplus:
who said anything about the french?
besides...liberals lie all the time. i'm not saying conservatives do not, merely that they lie less, and not as severly
I know, liberals do lie, like way more then conservatives. Sean Hannity knows that. He is so cool.
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Originally posted by Siplus:
who said anything about the french?
You did, in the racist slur you used to have in your signature.
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Originally posted by Paladin9:
I also appreciate Bush for supporting those who make anti-masturbation devices for good christian parents to use on their kids.
Anti-masturbation devices eh? Hmm...I wonder, what would that BE exactly? Attach it to the kid's dick, and if he tries to whack it he gets zapped? :D
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Originally posted by flap:
You did, in the racist slur you used to have in your signature.
do you know the meaning of racism? i wonder...
given that i did not hate all french, mostly just the french government, i would not think it would be called 'racism' because i would then have to also hate many people who have no connection with the french political system. but anyway, i have long since removed that "racist slur", if it is in fact "racist"
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Originally posted by Paladin9:
I know, liberals do lie, like way more then conservatives. Sean Hannity knows that. He is so cool.
not only in the quantity and frequency of lies, but also in the magnitude.
and what is wrong w/ sean hannity?
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Originally posted by Siplus:
besides...liberals lie all the time. i'm not saying conservatives do not, merely that they lie less, and not as severly
Hahahaha, now that's a good one. Come and tell us that again when you find the WMD in Iraq.
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Originally posted by Laukev7:
Hahahaha, now that's a good one. Come and tell us that again when you find the WMD in Iraq.
They shipped them to Syria during the invasion. (http://tongue.gif) ;)
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Originally posted by WMD:
They shipped them to Syria during the invasion. (http://tongue.gif) ;)
'Why there are no WMD in Syria? Well, that's because they shipped them to Iran! Yeah, Iran! We need to go there and find their oi- I mean, nukular weapons before it's too late!'
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/invades Iran
OMG Jordan has them now!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
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Please, do not waste Bush's precious time.
Someone must tell him that those nukes he's looking for are now hidden in Russia.
Or is it China?
Perhaps the Japs did it again...
No, no, no, I bet it's the god damned french...
EVERYONE IS NOW A SUSPECT
PS: there was once a really good sodom lp (yes, that old), "persecution mania"...
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I joined here just to reply to this filth.
Anyone keeping track of the dollar VS. the Euro??
When Clinton was in (you may not like him fact is he did a damn fine job) the Euro was under the dollar by 40 cents. NOW the Euro beats us by 60 cents or more.
To most of you this means so what. To me it means that the dollar is failing. BIG TIME. Cubans dont even want our money anymore.
Whats the best way out of a bad economy???
Have a damn war.
Syria buys there oil for $2-$3 a barrel.
USA buys there oil for $33-$35+ a barrel.
You dont think that pisses someone off??
Anyone that has a brain ought to know that Iraq hasnt had major weapons in years. If you knew their history they have been shattered by war for years.
Unemployment is the highest in years...
Remember Clinton's term when you could walk into a job and demand your wage rate??
Try that now...
Bush is one of the worst presidents that I am shamed to support. I didnt vote for him and wont again. Bad thing is I dont like Kerry either.
Let Hilary take the spot.
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Ok, Shane, post people here hate Bush already, this is mostly a satire thread. ;)
However I don't hate the guy (at least not with a passion), so I'd like to reply to you.
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When Clinton was in (you may not like him fact is he did a damn fine job) the Euro was under the dollar by 40 cents. NOW the Euro beats us by 60 cents or more.
In 1998, the Euro was worth $1.16. By the time Clinton left it indeed was down, to about $0.90. As of today, it's $1.21. You've exaggerated it quite a bit. (The British pound is worth about $1.60, but that's always been quite higher.)
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Syria buys there oil for $2-$3 a barrel.
USA buys there oil for $33-$35+ a barrel.
You dont think that pisses someone off??
Yeah, no shit it does. But Syria has its own oil I think, so that's not too much of an argument.
Not to mention, the Middle East has hated the US for decades now. After all, we've done horrible and evil things to them for so long. :rolleyes:
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Anyone that has a brain ought to know that Iraq hasnt had major weapons in years. If you knew their history they have been shattered by war for years.
Clinton might've fried them in 1998, but we have no way of knowing, really. But Saddam always wanted them again, and never hid that fact. (Recently he just used machine guns and other little things to kill a smaller number.) Or, there's that theory that Saddam's people told him that he actually had them when he really didn't, so they could avoid torture for not getting them fast enough. That would certainly be something....
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Unemployment is the highest in years...
Remember Clinton's term when you could walk into a job and demand your wage rate??
The current unemployment rate is 5.9%. Guess what? It was the same in 1996. My guess is, there's just a lot of pessimism these days, with the media reporting lots of bad shit and all, whereas in 1996, everyone was optimistic about everything.
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I didnt vote for him and wont again.
Just to be a bitter nitpicker :D , that sentence doesn't make sense. You say you didn't, and then use the word "again" to imply that you did. I'm just a grammar nazi ;)
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Let Hilary take the spot.
She's running in 2008, that's the Clinton plan. It also means keeping Bush in. (http://redface.gif) There's a rumor that she'll be going against Jeb Bush in '08...that would be very entertaining. :D
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Originally posted by Shane:
Let Hilary take the spot.
That bitch will never take office.
ever notice that when Hitlery makes a public speech, her ratings not only go down, but some times she is even booed off the stage?
(http://smile.gif)
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Syria buys there oil for $2-$3 a barrel.
USA buys there oil for $33-$35+ a barrel.
have you ever thought of the fact that we live halfway across the world? shipping has an impact on the price, however our political standing with OPEC countries also has an impact.
[ May 05, 2004: Message edited by: Siplus ]
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What's wrong with Hilary Clinton?
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IMO: USA needs more than only two big parties.
They're to much the same.
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Originally posted by insomnia:
IMO: USA needs more than only two big parties.
They're to much the same.
that statement shows that you don't know much about US politics...the ideology each party supports is fundementally different
[ May 05, 2004: Message edited by: Siplus ]
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Originally posted by Laukev7:
What's wrong with Hilary Clinton?
Less than I'd like to say. :D After all, she's been the right-wing bash victim since Bill got out. :D
If it's anything...she never really defined herself as a separate person. It's like, Bill Part 2, or something. (http://redface.gif)
As for insomnia's comment...there should be more than two big parties anyway, even if they're not similar. Which they're not, at least not anymore. You'd have to go back to Kennedy/Johnson to find something to fit that profile.
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Originally posted by Siplus:
that statement shows that you don't know much about US politics...the ideology each party supports is fundementally different
The ideology they support may be different, but that doesn't mean that their policies are. I would admit, though, that I would never dream of comparing the Bu$h administration to Democrats (or even other Republicans, for that matter).
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The Republican party use to not be bad up until the late 70's. Then it turned in to a religious thing. Religon fucks up everything. Now rep's do what they think is right according to christianity. The rep party is now days the christain party. It is really sad.
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Originally posted by Siplus:
that statement shows that you don't know much about US politics...the ideology each party supports is fundementally different
[ May 05, 2004: Message edited by: Siplus ]
Are you still being ironic?
They agree on to many things.
[ May 06, 2004: Message edited by: insomnia ]
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Originally posted by insomnia:
They agree on to many things.
I agree. Some dems are actually as conservative as most republicans, like john edwards or joe liberman
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Originally posted by Paladin9:
I agree. Some dems are actually as conservative as most republicans, like john edwards or joe liberman
HOw the fuck is JOhn Edwards a conservative? He'd make a better pres than Kerry.
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John Edwards? A conservative? Where did that idea come from? Lieberman is much more believable in that regard.
If you're really looking for a good example of that, it's Senator Zell Miller of Georgia. He proudly calls himself a "conservative Democrat" and has a book about that topic. And he fully supports Bush '04 (I think he even started a small group called "Democrats for Bush"). :D
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lol...Bush just blurted out two new excellent Bushisms:
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You can't tax the rich enough to pay for his promises. Guess who he's going to tax? He's going to tax me and you.
Apparently Bush seems to believe he isn't rich.
Finally here's the best:
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What the country needs is a leader who speaks clearly.
Is it me or did Bush just admit he isn't qualified to be president?
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Apparently Bush seems to believe he isn't rich.
he isn't. compared to bill gates :-p
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Is it me or did Bush just admit he isn't qualified to be president?
just you
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Originally posted by Siplus:
just you
So are we to take it that you're under the impression that Bush can string a sentence together?
And, incidentally, I'm sure as a Republican apologist you'd try to defend all of the countless apalling things Bush has done, but I'd be fascinated to see what defence a Bush-supporter has to offer for this (http://www.ericblumrich.com/unb.html).
[ May 06, 2004: Message edited by: flap ]
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Originally posted by flap:
So are we to take it that you're under the impression that Bush can string a sentence together?
And, incidentally, I'm sure as a Republican apologist you'd try to defend all of the countless apalling things Bush has done, but I'd be fascinated to see what defence a Bush-supporter has to offer for this (http://www.ericblumrich.com/unb.html).
[ May 06, 2004: Message edited by: flap ]
LOL!! I love that Bush incident.
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Not as good, but here is yet another Bush moment where he shows his good manners to Pootie-poot:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/video/38007000/rm/_38007701_bush18_wyatt_vi.ram (http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/video/38007000/rm/_38007701_bush18_wyatt_vi.ram)
Ahem. This is supposed to be a pro-Bush thread. Er, I love Bush!
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i love bush as much as i love a porcupine up my ass... but i love him!
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Originally posted by flap:
And, incidentally, I'm sure as a Republican apologist you'd try to defend all of the countless apalling things Bush has done, but I'd be fascinated to see what defence a Bush-supporter has to offer for this (http://www.ericblumrich.com/unb.html).
I have nothing to say, really. It amazes me how enraged people get over silly little things like this. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by WMD:
I have nothing to say, really. It amazes me how enraged people get over silly little things like this. :rolleyes:
well, he IS the president of the strongest nation on the face of the planet... is it wrong to ask for a LITTLE FUCKING PROFESSIONALISM???
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...but he's also a Texas cowboy. :D
This is fun.
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Originally posted by WMD:
I have nothing to say, really. It amazes me how enraged people get over silly little things like this. :rolleyes:
You're missing the point. That "silly little thing" is indefensible (and disturbingly symbolic) proof of Bush's casual contempt for the people he's supposed to be serving. Do you think he would hesitate to wipe his glasses on you? How you can watch that and still believe this man is a fundamentally decent person is beyond me.
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I thought about it for a few minutes, and started thinking about this idea again: In the end, on a personal standpoint, does it end up mattering who the president is? I mean, let's say that Al Gore was president right now. Would my own life be different? Would it matter if I had ever debated about this stuff? In the end, how am I really affected?
Maybe I'm just too young. I'm in high school, and current politics don't seem to affect those my age (after all, we can't vote). So, I declare this: I hear that with Bush gone, we can take down Microsoft in time for Longhorn. That would certainly affect me (I'm typing this in Windows!). If I can be convinced of that, consider me on your side for Nov. 2004.
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In the end, on a personal standpoint, does it end up mattering who the president is? I mean, let's say that Al Gore was president right now. Would my own life be different? Would it matter if I had ever debated about this stuff? In the end, how am I really affected?
Believe me I understand how you feel. On 9/11/01 I was starting my second day of senior year, so I'm just a few years older than you. I used to feel the say way as you before. But think about this: at this moment, none of this affects you directly. You are right about that. However everything that is going on right now WILL affect you directly in 4-5 years.
The last 4 years we have seen the economy go down the toilet, and it ain't improving. This leaves your family vulnerable, just like it has made millions of other families vulnerable. God forbid someone in your family loses their job. How will you pay for a good college in a few years?
The Iraq war is costing hundreds of billions of dollars that the government does not have. They are taking this money by adding to the national debt, which in case you don't know translates to robbing future generations (us) of money and ingnoring the problem. So in a few years when you're out in the real world this economical problem will directly affect you. And if not, it will definately affect your children. That's just great aint it?
Finally, here's something you might REALLY want to think about. Do some simple research, or just watch/read some recent news, and you will find out that over the past 2-3 years the Bush administration has been quietly reopening up offices and hiring staff for the draft control (whatever it's called). Do some more research and you'll find out that Congress currently has at least 2 draft bills going around. You're currently in high school. Guess what? You will very soon be of military age :D If you can't see how these things DO affect you, good luck!
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Part of this is (dry) sarcasm, part of it's not. Just assume i'm taking your side on this issues.
Bush is the best president we've ever had. Bill Clinton's America had a lot of the problems today's america has. Too bad Bush was president when the tech boom occured, which made Clinton's administration look better than it was. Anyways, the reason that the Middle East hates us is partially Bill Clinton's fault. He lied under oath, and because he didn't get any prison, or even removed from office, we sent a message to the middle east that we support adultery and lying, which further fueled the already hatefilled islamic nations who feel they're fighting a holy war against christians and jews and that all americans are christians and jews (yet they hypocritically warn muslims to stay away from stuff in America.. hmm guess muslims do exist in this country after all). Back to the topic though.. Bushes tax cuts are trickling down from the wealthy to the middle class. As for poor people, screw them, it's their own fault (even if they were born poor). And some of you guys are all like OMG bush lied. Well.. he could have went on national television and apoligized for his mistake (and for the fact that 9/11 happened due to his adminstrations crappy approach on security, some blame on the past administration, which since i'm uneducated on this crap, i'll shut up), but that is SO NOT COWBOY. Why should he take the blame for his countries crappy intelligence and security.. I mean.. how could it be his fault.. Remember, Bill Gates is not the enemy, he doesn't write the shitty software, so it's not his fault in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM AND BY USING THIS SOFTWARE YOU AGREE TO THIS. YOU ARE LICENSED TO USE THIS SOFTWARE ON TEN MACHINES FOR 180 DAYS AND... As for the patriot act, Bush did excellent. We are now allowed to intercept terror cells we couldn't normally arrest. Long story short.. he's improving our economy, making our lives safer and fighting for freedom worldwide.
*Republicans will like my attack on bill clinton
*Democrats still want to impeach bush, but since he never said there were WMDs under oath, they can't..
*Independents are sick and tired of hearing this crap and then getting a dick shoved in their ass. The republicans complained about Ross Perot, the democrats complained about Nadar. Sometimes they're useful to you and sometimes they're not.
*Republicans will be angry at me for implying that George Bush lied and demand proof, instead of pulling their heads out of their asses and demanding GWB apoligize and promise to make the intelligence of this country better.
*Democrats will be angry at me for discrediting Clinton by claiming his economics would have failed if it weren't for the tech boom
*Many will fail to see some of my sarcasm, hence why these points were made.
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[ May 07, 2004: Message edited by: anphanax ]
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xeen makes a good point about the economy. The seroius debt Bush it putting the country in will effect us(those of us here who live in the states) becuase WE will have to pay off all of that debt some years from now, and the only way to do it would probably have to be high taxes. Anyone else who lives in California will also have to pay back the 15 billion bond that the termina- uh, Arnold passed. It will probably cost around 30 billion to pay it off! So I am really fucked.
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Originally posted by Paladin9:
xeen makes a good point about the economy. The seroius debt Bush it putting the country in will effect us(those of us here who live in the states) becuase WE will have to pay off all of that debt some years from now, and the only way to do it would probably have to be high taxes. Anyone else who lives in California will also have to pay back the 15 billion bond that the termina- uh, Arnold passed. It will probably cost around 30 billion to pay it off! So I am really fucked.
and what good point about the economy was that?
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The last 4 years we have seen the economy go down the toilet, and it ain't improving.
it went down the toilet? uh...ya! where have you been the last 3 years? have you not been paying attention? yes, the economy was horrid after 9/11, it was expected. pull your head out of your ass and look around once in awhile. provide proof that it is NOT improving.
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The Iraq war is costing hundreds of billions of dollars that the government does not have.
the US gov. handles TRILLIONS of dollars per day; i am quite sure a few billion is nothing to worry about in the long run.
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They are taking this money by adding to the national debt, which in case you don't know translates to robbing future generations (us) of money and ingnoring the problem. So in a few years when you're out in the real world this economical problem will directly affect you. And if not, it will definately affect your children. That's just great aint it?
The US has had an enormous debt for quite awhile. guess what: there is no possible way we can pay it off in a 4 year period. get over it. perhaps we should STOP sending so much damn aid to countries that hate us and use THAT money to pay back the debt (http://smile.gif)
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Finally, here's something you might REALLY want to think about. Do some simple research, or just watch/read some recent news, and you will find out that over the past 2-3 years the Bush administration has been quietly reopening up offices and hiring staff for the draft control (whatever it's called). Do some more research and you'll find out that Congress currently has at least 2 draft bills going around. You're currently in high school. Guess what? You will very soon be of military age If you can't see how these things DO affect you, good luck!
now here is something that i can beleive, and something that i'm not real excited about. being a junior in HS, i would probibly get drafted if a draft was issued.
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i would probibly get drafted if a draft was issued.
How ironic. Seeing that makes me want Bush to stay in.
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good. bush should stay in (http://smile.gif)
on a side note: hope to dissappoint you, but if i remember, people who were in college weren't really drafted as much as those who were not in college. i have about 8 or so years of college ahead of me, so that would put my final graduation from med. school when i'm 26, which is (i think) the upper bound for the range in the age group that is drafted. there is no possiblility that i would be drafted if they excuse college students (http://smile.gif)
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so....
i come back and where i said this isn't the place to bitch about bush it seems all you fuckers have. i dont really like him either good fuck can you all resist a chance to bitch.
so how many of you are doing work to help kerry in the election this year? how many of you encouraging people to vote? how many of you attend peace rallies? how many write to congressmen?
bush is gonna win the next election, it may suck but if the democrats can't get a decent candidate then fuck them.
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The US has had an enormous debt for quite awhile. guess what: there is no possible way we can pay it off in a 4 year period. get over it. perhaps we should STOP sending so much damn aid to countries that hate us and use THAT money to pay back the debt
Tell you what, how about you stop spending money on wars of conquest? And it wouldn't hurt either if you stop giving the third of all your foreign financial aid to a country that segregates its citizens (http://www.wrmea.com/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm).
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on a side note: hope to dissappoint you, but if i remember, people who were in college weren't really drafted as much as those who were not in college. i have about 8 or so years of college ahead of me, so that would put my final graduation from med. school when i'm 26, which is (i think) the upper bound for the range in the age group that is drafted. there is no possiblility that i would be drafted if they excuse college students
So it'll just be working class kids conscripted to fight Bush's oil war then.
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Originally posted by Laukev7:
Tell you what, how about you stop spending money on wars of conquest? And it wouldn't hurt either if you stop giving the third of all your foreign financial aid to a country that segregates its citizens (http://www.wrmea.com/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm).
Or to any of these (http://fas.org/terrorism/at/docs/Aid&Humanrights.html)
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I was trying to be pro bush, but siplus was being too serious. As for the economy, it is doing better but we are in some serious fucking debt. What bush is doing is like someone charging $1000 to their credit card every month to increase their income. Sure, you would have a lot more money but you would also be getting deep in debt.
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Originally posted by Siplus:
good. bush should stay in (http://smile.gif)
on a side note: hope to dissappoint you, but if i remember, people who were in college weren't really drafted as much as those who were not in college. i have about 8 or so years of college ahead of me, so that would put my final graduation from med. school when i'm 26, which is (i think) the upper bound for the range in the age group that is drafted. there is no possiblility that i would be drafted if they excuse college students (http://smile.gif)
Time and time again it has been stated that if the draft were to ever come back for whatever reason, it would be totally different from that of the Vietnam era. They don't want to have history repeat itself where the rich kids get to dodge the draft, others join college to avoid it, etc.. It would be a much more fair system.
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Tell you what, how about you stop spending money on wars of conquest? And it wouldn't hurt either if you stop giving the third of all your foreign financial aid to a country that segregates its citizens (http://www.wrmea.com/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm).
i wish we would. other countries can take care of themselves (for the most part).
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So it'll just be working class kids conscripted to fight Bush's oil war then.
1) i am not a member of a rich family by any means. ANYONE can get into college in america if they want to because of the emphasis on education. only a moron or someone with an easy life would pass up the opprotunity for higher education.
2) it's not an "oil war." again, you are showing your ignorance.
edit: however, in Israel's case, i wouldn't mind sending aid. they seem to be the only nation in the middle east that has sanity
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Originally posted by xeen:
Time and time again it has been stated that if the draft were to ever come back for whatever reason, it would be totally different from that of the Vietnam era. They don't want to have history repeat itself where the rich kids get to dodge the draft, others join college to avoid it, etc.. It would be a much more fair system.
so you are saying it would be fair for, lets say a family of 4 who is sent 2 kids to college and is bearly able to make college payments to have their children be drafted and die so that their investment is wasted? that would have very negative effects on the economy. i say send the dumb ones who are going no where with their life, but that is just my opinion (http://smile.gif)
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2) it's not an "oil war." again, you are showing your ignorance.
It's about conquest, too.
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It's about conquest, too.
i'm starting to wonder if all of you fanatically anti-bush'ers really know what you are talking about, or if you just sit there trying to think up what lie to endorse next. what frustrates me most is when the liberal media/figureheads try to discredit anything/anyone who does not follow what they want, and the only way they can do this is by the spread of FUD and lies
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what frustrates me most is when the liberal media/figureheads try to discredit anything/anyone who does not follow what they want, and the only way they can do this is by the spread of FUD and lies
That description would be much more appropriate for Republican shills than what you call the 'liberal' media (which I don't personally find very liberal). And if this (http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm) is not pure imperialism, I don't know what is.
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Originally posted by Siplus:
i'm starting to wonder if all of you fanatically anti-bush'ers really know what you are talking about, or if you just sit there trying to think up what lie to endorse next. what frustrates me most is when the liberal media/figureheads try to discredit anything/anyone who does not follow what they want, and the only way they can do this is by the spread of FUD and lies
I can not beleive there are people out there who actually think bush is a good president. Bush is a fuck wad. Anyone should see that.
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you are showing your ignorance
Will you stop saying that? Do you have any idea how to construct an argument? You can't just refute people's arguments by labelling them "ignorant" or "close minded" because they don't agree with you. What knowledge am I lacking that is hampering my understanding of the motives for this war?
I don't agree with your opinions or those of conservatives generally, but I don't think you hold them because you're ignorant or close minded. You hold them because you're a dick.
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in Israel's case, i wouldn't mind sending aid. they seem to be the only nation in the middle east that has sanity
What?
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i say send the dumb ones who are going no where with their life, but that is just my opinion
Agreed. Send all the conservatives (unarmed).
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Originally posted by Paladin9:
I can not beleive there are people out there who actually think bush is a good president. Bush is a fuck wad. Anyone should see that.
do you believe that clinton was a good pres. ? i CAN'T BELIEVE that you would think that you think he was good. anyone could see he was an asshole
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Will you stop saying that?
nah. now that i know it might piss ya off, i'll say it more. (http://smile.gif)
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Do you have any idea how to construct an argument?
1) as i think i said in my first post in this thread, i am not very persuasive, so i'm not even trying.
2) if i was going to try, i wouldn't have had enough time the past 2 or so weeks. i have waay too much schoolwork to be doing to worry about arguing online at the moment. maybe after finals (http://smile.gif)
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I don't agree with your opinions or those of conservatives generally, but I don't think you hold them because you're ignorant or close minded. You hold them because you're a dick.
resorting to name calling? i thought you "libs" would have a larger arsenal of words to throw at me other than 'dick'. Yes i have one, but it is unrealistic to beleive that a dick is sitting at a keyboard typing, as dicks do not support all the necessary functions of life, nor do they have limbs for which they could type with.
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What?
the arab nations are insane. they (generally) are SUPPORTING suicide bombings on innocent israeli citizens. israel retaliates by KILLING the LEADERS of those who are killing their citizens and then all (most) of the arabs are acting as if it is some great disaster that they killed arabs.
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Agreed. Send all the conservatives (unarmed).
note: i said "dumb ones," reffering to those of a lesser intelligence who, for example, would be failing an algebra one course as a senior in high school. although political ideals can show some level of intelligence (liberal mindset showing very little, for example), this is not the only way true intelligence can be determined. there are *some* intelligent liberals, i must reluctantly admit.
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i thought you "libs" would have a larger arsenal of words to throw at me other than 'dick'.
I'm sorry if the vocabulary I use to insult you is disappointing. And I'm not a "lib". Liberals tend to value the rights of all people. I don't value the rights of conservatives.
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the arab nations are insane. they (generally) are SUPPORTING suicide bombings on innocent israeli citizens. israel retaliates by KILLING the LEADERS of those who are killing their citizens and then all (most) of the arabs are acting as if it is some great disaster that they killed arabs.
The IDF has killed more Palestinian civilians than arab suicide bombers have killed Israeli civilians. And Israel can hardly be described as "sane" considering the behaviour of Sharon, who has a history of war crimes against arabs going back to long before he became P.M.
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reffering to those of a lesser intelligence who, for example, would be failing an algebra one course as a senior in high school
So you think that the ability to pass a high school test (or perhaps to correctly spell "referring") determines a person's "worth", and people whom you deem to be "going nowhere" are just fodder who can be sacrificed like cattle? Aren't you the same person who a few months ago was objecting to abortion on the grounds that you're "pro-life", and thus presumably think that all human life is sacred?
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although political ideals can show some level of intelligence
Not particularly. There are both intelligent and unintelligent people aligned with every political idealogy. A person's political leaning is more of a matter of mindset and personality rather than intelligence. I don't think you're a conservative because you're unintelligent, nor do I believe that non-conservatives are necessarily particularly intelligent. They're just not dicks.
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the arab nations are insane. they (generally) are SUPPORTING suicide bombings on innocent israeli citizens. israel retaliates by KILLING the LEADERS of those who are killing their citizens and then all (most) of the arabs are acting as if it is some great disaster that they killed arabs.
I find it strange that such an educated "uber" person like yourself, doesn't even seem to know our entire western civilisation is build on this "insane" arabic culture.
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So you think that the ability to pass a high school test (or perhaps to correctly spell "referring") determines a person's "worth", and people whom you deem to be "going nowhere" are just fodder who can be sacrificed like cattle? Aren't you the same person who a few months ago was objecting to abortion on the grounds that you're "pro-life", and thus presumably think that all human life is sacred?
i believe that people's actions determine their worth. and yes, i do believe that it is VERY wrong till kill INNOCENT children whose only crime was having a moron for a mother. this is also why i support the death penalty: someone who commits horrible crimes ought to have little worth.
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I find it strange that such an educated "uber" person like yourself, doesn't even seem to know our entire western civilisation is build on this "insane" arabic culture.
aww...you think i'm uber (http://smile.gif)
yes, i am aware that the root of most of our mathematics originated near the middle-east region, however this was thousands of years ago. in the modern world, they support the murder of innocents, which is grounds enough for me to believe they are not sane.
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i believe that people's actions determine their worth. and yes, i do believe that it is VERY wrong till kill INNOCENT children whose only crime was having a moron for a mother. this is also why i support the death penalty: someone who commits horrible crimes ought to have little worth
...as should people who get low SAT scores, presumably. You seem to infer that people who lack academic ability are worthless and deserve nothing better than to be sent to die in a war. Presumably you believe yourself to have worth; as such obviously enlightened, compassionate individuals as yourself have so much to offer society.
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in the modern world, they support the murder of innocents, which is grounds enough for me to believe they are not sane.
I've already told you that the Israelis kill more civilians than the Palestinians. You seem to selectively respond to certain arguments and ignore the rest.
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Originally posted by flap:
...as should people who get low SAT scores, presumably. You seem to infer that people who lack academic ability are worthless and deserve nothing better than to be sent to die in a war. Presumably you believe yourself to have worth; as such obviously enlightened, compassionate individuals as yourself have so much to offer society.
did i say test scores? some people can not merely take test well. some can't do research papers well. some can't do math well. some can't do [insert project of some class here] well.
individual subject areas do not determine intelligence. i'm not only concerned with strict academic intelligence, but that is the majority of it. when i talk about dumb people, i mostly am talking about those who are intelligent, but do not apply themselves in any useful way. those who waste what they are given. (also stoners....those who live to get 'high')
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I've already told you that the Israelis kill more civilians than the Palestinians. You seem to selectively respond to certain arguments and ignore the rest.
yes, you have told me. i told you that bush is a good president and you didn't believe me. go figure
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If bush did not dick around in Iraq in the first place, then we would not be in all of this shit. Now pulling out is not an option. So, let me say it again, BUSH IS A FUCK WAD!
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when i talk about dumb people, i mostly am talking about those who are intelligent
Oh, I see now. As long as you're not talking bollocks or anything.
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i told you that bush is a good president and you didn't believe me
That is an opinion. The number of civilian deaths incurred in Israel and Palestine constitutes a fact. Possibly a difficult one to verify, but a fact nonetheless. Do I take it you don't believe me then?
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Siplus: ANYONE can get into college in america if they want to because of the emphasis on education. only a moron or someone with an easy life would pass up the opprotunity for higher education.
That's bullshit. Americans are always saying that, while it's impossible for a lot of people in your country to get higher education, just because they haven't got the money for it. And no, IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT.
The dumbest thing Americans say is that poor people are like that because they are dumb. It isn't like that at all.
America is a country in which you can lose all your income and savings just by braking a foot (I saw a documentry on this, and stuff like that hapens all the time). Oh, and if you don't have the money, you can't pay for good insurance. If you want more money, you need college. But since you're working for a minimum wage job just so you don't lose your lousy appartment, you don't have the time or money for a higher education.
Really, I wouldn't live in the United States if someone gave me a lot of money for it, because that money can be lost just because your insurance company won't pay for you.
I'm happy to live in a country like the Netherlands, because here, you get a free basic insurance, and you won't lose all your money paying for a medical operation.
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Refalm is right. I have know smart people who do really well in high school but are not able to go further becuase they come from a poor family. Some are lucky to get in to community college. Fortunately in California community college is really cheap compared to regular 4-year college. I am at a community college right now and the books almost cost more then the tuition (http://smile.gif) .
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I'm happy to live in a country like the Netherlands, because here, you get a free basic insurance, and you won't lose all your money paying for a medical operation.
I will be going on vacation in europe within a year, probably spring of next year. One of the places I am for sure going to is Amsterdam. My great grandmothers family was from the netherlands somewhere making me 1/8 dutch. Now I finally get to go there.
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Originally posted by Refalm:
That's bullshit. Americans are always saying that, while it's impossible for a lot of people in your country to get higher education, just because they haven't got the money for it. And no, IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT.
The dumbest thing Americans say is that poor people are like that because they are dumb. It isn't like that at all.
America is a country in which you can lose all your income and savings just by braking a foot (I saw a documentry on this, and stuff like that hapens all the time). Oh, and if you don't have the money, you can't pay for good insurance. If you want more money, you need college. But since you're working for a minimum wage job just so you don't lose your lousy appartment, you don't have the time or money for a higher education.
Really, I wouldn't live in the United States if someone gave me a lot of money for it, because that money can be lost just because your insurance company won't pay for you.
I'm happy to live in a country like the Netherlands, because here, you get a free basic insurance, and you won't lose all your money paying for a medical operation.
oh. so i guess all those thousands of mexicans crossing the border, hundreds of cubans fleeing to join the US and how many thousands/(however many there are i don't know) immigrants there are per year. they all want to live in america because america sucks so much. ya! everyone come and join in the misery of living in america!!!
anyway...there are many ways to get a college education. if you really want in, there is NO REASON YOU SHOULD NOT GET IN. Scholarships, grants, loans, student loans (yes, they even have loans specially designed for those wishing to attend college...wow, what will they think of next?)...all you have to do is look for ways. for some scholarships all you might have to do is write a simple essay. i know what is out there, because i am looking right now at colleges. i have only one year of highschool left and then i'm going to have to rely on only scholarships, grants (if i get any) and LOANS. so i will have to pay back my 8 years of college when i get a job. there is nothing wrong with that.
also, social security in the US is not just for old people. it also covers disabilities. if you are injured on a job, guess what? you collect from social security.
If you are happy in the Netherlands, then good for you. i'm not telling you to pack up and leave.i am sure there are germans happy they are in germany, and russians happy they are in russia. for me, i'm happy i'm in america.
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Originally posted by Paladin9:
Refalm is right. I have know smart people who do really well in high school but are not able to go further becuase they come from a poor family. Some are lucky to get in to community college. Fortunately in California community college is really cheap compared to regular 4-year college. I am at a community college right now and the books almost cost more then the tuition (http://smile.gif) .
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woah...either you have really expensive books or that is a cheap college! how many classes do you take a semester?
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All of those illegal aliens come to america to get a half decent job, not a big fancy education!
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Originally posted by Siplus:
woah...either you have really expensive books or that is a cheap college! how many classes do you take a semester?
Like I said, community college in California is cheap. I think I pay around $700 a semester(books and tuition together). Notice that I say semester and not quarter or trimester. I may have to start paying more though, Arnie is raising tuition becauase of the state's budget problems. The four year college in my town is closing for the summer this year. This is the first time that has ever happened. <sarcasm>yeah, sure, things are A LOT better with Grey Davis recalled!</sarcasm>
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Originally posted by Paladin9:
Like I said, community college in California is cheap. I think I pay around $700 a semester(books and tuition together). Notice that I say semester and not quarter or trimester. I may have to start paying more though, Arnie is raising tuition becauase of the state's budget problems. The four year college in my town is closing for the summer this year. This is the first time that has ever happened. <sarcasm>yeah, sure, things are A LOT better with Grey Davis recalled!</sarcasm>
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so let me get this straight. you know smart people who could not get into college, when you get in for less than 2 grand a year?? just want to make sure i have this story straight
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when you get in for less than 2 grand a year?
*Less* than two grand a year? That's what it costs in Canadian dollars for McGill.
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you know smart people who could not get into college
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Califucknia and cheap? not possible. Everything is more expensive and worse out there.
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Originally posted by Laukev7:
*Less* than two grand a year? That's what it costs in Canadian dollars for McGill.
mcdonalds isn't very big up in canada, is it? (http://smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Siplus:
yes, i am aware that the root of most of our mathematics originated near the middle-east region, however this was thousands of years ago. in the modern world, they support the murder of innocents, which is grounds enough for me to believe they are not sane.
You're only aware about maths!? :eek:
...and you actually paid for your education?
They ripped you off.
You don't even know basic history.
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mcdonalds isn't very big up in canada, is it? (http://smile.gif)
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Originally posted by JimmyJames: GenSTEP Founder:
Califucknia and cheap? not possible. Everything is more expensive and worse out there.
How do you know? Why would things be more expensive in California? The only state I know of that is more expensive in general is Hawaii, and that is becuase it is far away from everything.
As for people being too poor to go to college, actually most of them can go to community college for an AA or AS, but that is it. You have to have like, a shit load of money to go to regular college. College in California is like every where else in the US, it is just COMMUNITY college that is really cheap. Some high school graduate move here just for the cheap community college.
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Originally posted by insomnia:
You're only aware about maths!? :eek:
...and you actually paid for your education?
They ripped you off.
You don't even know basic history.
nah, i just have an obsession with math, so that is what i focus on when i think about anything school related. when i say i have an obsession, i mean that i have learned everything from my highschool that they had to offer--in the first two years of being in highschool. i have had to venture into AP courses/independant studies to keep myself occupied....i won't bore you by going any further into details (http://smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Siplus:
nah, i just have an obsession with math, so that is what i focus on when i think about anything school related. when i say i have an obsession, i mean that i have learned everything from my highschool that they had to offer--in the first two years of being in highschool. i have had to venture into AP courses/independant studies to keep myself occupied....i won't bore you by going any further into details (http://smile.gif)
Thats great that you like math, although it sounds like you want a big fancy education more then anything else. do you even know what you want to do with your life? I have known many people who are obsessed with going to the best college then can get too, just to waste lots and lots of money on quarters changing majors all the time just to figure out what they want to do with their life. It really is a waste.
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Originally posted by Paladin9:
Thats great that you like math, although it sounds like you want a big fancy education more then anything else. do you even know what you want to do with your life? I have known many people who are obsessed with going to the best college then can get too, just to waste lots and lots of money on quarters changing majors all the time just to figure out what they want to do with their life. It really is a waste.
actually...yes. i do.
i'm going to spend 4 years or less getting a math degree and my pre-med requirements to take...oh i forget the name of it...the medical tests of some sort... so that i can get into med school and eventually work in a hospital. i've been volunteering at my local hospital as well as shadowing various employees (including doctors, nurses, also people in the hospital lab doing tests on samples taken from pacients. going to watch them perform an mir sometime...all kinds of stuff). at least this is my current plan. it could change within the next 9 years (http://smile.gif)
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great, so what does math really have to do with medical stuff?
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it doesn't, at least not directly.
(note: math is used in the medical feild...trig and some calculus can apply)
basically, before going to medical school i need to get a degree in _something_. it does not matter what, so what i am doing is gaining as much college credit as i can during highschool so i don't have to spend as much money while i'm in undergraduate school, so i can get to medical school faster (http://smile.gif)
once i graduate (assuming everything goes as planned) i should have half my degree. this is one reason why i don't understand why people can have such a hard time getting into/ getting through college. by taking many AP cources and CHS courses, i am gaining college credit by only paying $74 per AP test and ~$100 per CHS class. If i take enough of these, i can eliminate one or two YEARS of college, which can make college easily affordable (note: medical school will such, but at least college will be cheap(er)). Also, AP courses are available NATIONWIDE, and there is even a similar international program. i'm not sure about the widespreed availability of CHS courses, so, eh.
the point is...to get a 4-year degree in something, nothing is requiring you to pay for 4 years of tuition. there are other, cheaper means of aquireing the number of credits required.
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I'm so happy for bush. Because he brought back nazism I can rape any woman and child that I please and call it patriotic and liberation.
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I have nothing to say, really. It amazes me how enraged people get over silly little things like this. :rolleyes:
Because, unlike most presetends, hes the only one that has slaughtered billions of people.
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i'm starting to wonder if all of you fanatically anti-bush'ers really know what you are talking about, or if you just sit there trying to think up what lie to endorse next. what frustrates me most is when the liberal media/figureheads try to discredit anything/anyone who does not follow what they want, and the only way they can do this is by the spread of FUD and lies
Sure their lies and the jews were making up all that hitler shit right?
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Originally posted by JimmyJames: GenSTEP Founder:
Califucknia and cheap? not possible. Everything is more expensive and worse out there.
lol..not only that but that state is currently the biggest embarassment to our country thanks to last years recall farce. They even made Florida look good.
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I love your sig, xeen.
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Hehe, that is good! (http://graemlins/thumbsup.gif)
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Because, unlike most presetends, hes the only one that has slaughtered billions of people.
billions?
fuck george washington was a general. Woody Wilson brought us into world war I, the shittiest war of all time. and finally that cocksucker motherfucking jackass lbj was too godamn much of a pussy to win vietnam(not we should have ever been there)
if you wanna talk about slaughtering billions look at some of histories biggest heros. alexander the great and julius caesar are two off the top of my head.
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alexander the great and julius caesar are two off the top of my head.
They were not presidents, and they obviously could not have slaughtered billions of people because the world population back then was at most 200 million.
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I love your sig, xeen.
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They were not presidents, and they obviously could not have slaughtered billions of people because the world population back then was at most 200 million.
Well don't get me wrong - I'm no fan of Bush - but I don't think his kill count is quite that high yet either.
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Well don't get me wrong - I'm no fan of Bush - but I don't think his kill count is quite that high yet either.
Not that I'm saying that Bush has killed billions of people; I was just correcting a historical inaccuracy. But that doesn't mean that Bush shouldn't be stopped before his insane policies cause a full-blown worldwide comflict that could be worse than anything ever witnessed by humanity.
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Originally posted by Laukev7:
Not that I'm saying that Bush has killed billions of people; I was just correcting a historical inaccuracy. But that doesn't mean that Bush shouldn't be stopped before his insane policies cause a full-blown worldwide comflict that could be worse than anything ever witnessed by humanity.
I encourage anyone here who lives in the states to register to vote if you have not done so already. We need to get Bush OUT! And please, I beg you not to vote for nader. In doing so, you are really just voting for bush.
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I'm so happy for bush. Because he brought back nazism I can rape any woman and child that I please and call it patriotic and liberation.
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Because, unlike most presetends, hes the only one that has slaughtered billions of people.
killing billions of people is about equal to killing the entire populations of china AND india. you, sir, are mistaken.
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Sure their lies and the jews were making up all that hitler shit right?
it's amazing how you are responding in this thread! it's the most bullshit this forum has ever seen! dude: the holocaust happened. hitler killed millions. you can go to the "camps" where it happened, speak to survivors, and read literature about it (the book Night comes to mind)
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lol..not only that but that state is currently the biggest embarassment to our country thanks to last years recall farce. They even made Florida look good.
what was wrong with florida? the fact that gore/democrats called for 17 recounts (many of them starting before the previous was completed), all of which showed bush ahead of gore, should say something about the despiration of the liberals to regain control...Florida did nothing wrong, it was the LIBS who were insane/frantic about it. they are the ones disgraced.
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Not that I'm saying that Bush has killed billions of people; I was just correcting a historical inaccuracy. But that doesn't mean that Bush shouldn't be stopped before his insane policies cause a full-blown worldwide comflict that could be worse than anything ever witnessed by humanity.
his policies are insane? nah...maybe if we put an actual lunatic in office (kerry, for example), then we would see some insane policies.
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I encourage anyone here who lives in the states to register to vote if you have not done so already. We need to get Bush OUT! And please, I beg you not to vote for nader. In doing so, you are really just voting for bush.
and i encourage ALL americans to actually vote for a change. <40% of the public voting is sickening. the apathy in america is appauling.
i will not be able to vote in this comming election (being only 7 months short), however i'm sure most of you here that are from america ARE of voting age, so i encourage you to not WASTE your vote by voting for kerry. he is not very steadfast in what he believes; the polls decide his motives (just like clinton...) vote for someone with integrity, someone who will do what is necessary without worrying about the political affect it will have on american citizens. vote fore someone who is not a hypocrite. (i am refering to kerry's admission of committing war crimes, as he is hounding bush for having subordinates dozens of levels below him and halfway across the world commiting lesser war crimes.)
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his policies are insane? nah...maybe if we put an actual lunatic in office (kerry, for example), then we would see some insane policies.
Who's the one who lied to start a war against Iraq? Who's the one who plunged the country further into debts spending on a costly war to appropriate the Iraqi oil? Who's the one who sowed chaos into two countries? Who's the one who ripped your constitution to shreads with the PATRIOT act? Who's the one who's surrounded by PNAC imperialists bent on world domination? Who's the one who can't string two words together without putting his foot in his mouth? Who's the one who was caught by the camera wiping his glasses on a woman's skirt during his electoral campaign?
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Who's the one who lied to start a war against Iraq?
dunno who lied...france? (http://smile.gif)
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Who's the one who plunged the country further into debts spending on a costly war to appropriate the Iraqi oil?
if this war was for oil, we wouldn't have gas prices up as high as $3/gallon, now would we? i think you have no idea why we went to war.
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Who's the one who sowed chaos into two countries?
can we get some time frame here? Ceaser? hitler? osama bin laden? sadam? lenin? alexander the great? stalin? i can go on and on...most of those people affected more than 2 countires, fyi
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Who's the one who ripped your constitution to shreads with the PATRIOT act?
CONGRESS...i wish they wouldn't have passed that bill.
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Who's the one who's surrounded by PNAC imperialists bent on world domination?
i dunno....you?? :confused:
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Who's the one who can't string two words together without putting his foot in his mouth?
that would be interesting to see...
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Who's the one who was caught by the camera wiping his glasses on a woman's skirt during his electoral campaign?
you still hung up about that? to tell ya the truth, i don't give a damn about that little 'incident'
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Originally posted by Siplus:
dunno who lied...france? (http://smile.gif)
You think that is funny? You do not know who to blame so you put in on france like it is a joke?
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if this war was for oil, we wouldn't have gas prices up as high as $3/gallon, now would we? i think you have no idea why we went to war.
Who said we were doing well there? OPEC raises prices becuase of high demand, and the high demand is becuase of all of thoes fucking gas wasting SUV's.
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you still hung up about that? to tell ya the truth, i don't give a damn about that little 'incident'
Oh, so do you not give a damn about what Clinton did with monica? Do you also not give a damn about Kerry's stupid fucking medals?
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dunno who lied...france?
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i dunno....you??
Are those retorts meant to mean anything, or is that just your way of conceding that you're wrong?
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if this war was for oil, we wouldn't have gas prices up as high as $3/gallon, now would we?
Why not? What makes you think the war has gone as planned? And do you seriously think the oil companies want more oil so they can sell it to you cheaply?
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You think that is funny? You do not know who to blame so you put in on france like it is a joke?
yes, it was ment as a joke...i'm sure all of you know my opinion of the french government. laugh a little.
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Who said we were doing well there? OPEC raises prices becuase of high demand, and the high demand is becuase of all of thoes fucking gas wasting SUV's.
...you are one of those damn greenies? let me guess: you believe in global warming too?
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Oh, so do you not give a damn about what Clinton did with monica? Do you also not give a damn about Kerry's stupid fucking medals?
i would have never cared what clinton did with monica. what i do care about is that he lied UNDER OATH for 6 months. that is called PERGURY and is ILLEGAL. THAT is why he was impeached (and SHOULD have been removed from office for)
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Are those retorts meant to mean anything, or is that just your way of conceding that you're wrong?
it would be accurate to surmise that they ment nothing. after all, the question i was responding to did not relate to anyone i know of...
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...And do you seriously think the oil companies want more oil so they can sell it to you cheaply?
basic economics...law of supply and demand. duh.
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it would be accurate to surmise that they ment nothing. after all, the question i was responding to did not relate to anyone i know of...
Who do you not know of? The PNAC? Bush?
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basic economics...law of supply and demand. duh.
What does that mean?
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Any barbarian Nazi will love bush. So thats a positive I guess.
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killing billions of people is about equal to killing the entire populations of china AND india. you, sir, are mistaken.
He has killed millions of Afgan men and women. Hes gone after Iraq killion millions of civilians there and he killed his own people on sept/11!
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it's amazing how you are responding in this thread! it's the most bullshit this forum has ever seen! dude:
Oh yes, its all bullshit! What am I talking about? ONLY him dominiating countries, puting people in camps , calling them terrorists, taking awway peoples rights!
Now you no longer have to have a search warrent to search someones home! You don't even have to be there! They can enter with/without you!
They can press charges against you and not provide any evedence and they can call you a terrorist simply because one is brown skinned and believes in th muslim faith. But hay i'm just making all that up right, just like the jews made up hitler!
Yes the holocaust did happen and its happening now! Just because the flag states "Made in America" DOES NOT give the right for america to act like nazi germany!
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the holocaust happened. hitler killed millions. you can go to the "camps" where it happened, speak to survivors, and read literature about it (the book Night comes to mind)
Yes, the holocaust DID happen. Hitler DID kill millions, so did bush! he IS no different and should not be exused simply because hes american!
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basic economics...law of supply and demand. duh.
Its not about 'supply and demand.' You DID go to war because of
A.) Drugs!
B.) Oil
That there are the two things that run the total U.S. economy! I should know I used to be a day trader! The fact is that if you had of won the war on Iraq then things would have been different.
But not only did you not show any evedence that there were WMD's but the middle east could not beleive how thick headed you've became thinking you could actualy defeat them.
Thus two things happend. No longer is the U.S. the most super power of the planet but also is suprisingly week!
OPEC is now taking advantage of that! Why not! I'd do the same!
If the U.S. DID succead in their plan then the U.S. would hold all the cards and truly be the most dominant power. Its a chip that bush thought he could go for. Winning means that NO COUNTRY in Europe or Asia can challenge the U.S. and thus enforce its domin onto the markets!
I'm downloading "The truth and Lies of 9/11." After I have done that i'll host the file so others can download it. I also recommend those that are p2p'ing to down load it as well. Its VERY educational. Stays away from the conspiracy theroies and the speaker does back up what he says.
This is his website
http://copvcia.com/ (http://copvcia.com/) .
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Maybe you could explain this, Siplus?
(http://www.therant.info/images/Rumsfeld%20Hussein.jpg)
That is Rumsfeld and Saddam shaking hands. Saddam used to be our ally!
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Who do you not know of? The PNAC? Bush?
i know lots of people. i know OF many more. i do not know or know OF the PNAC...i didn't even know what it was so i google'd it before i made my last responce. i don't know bush, but i know OF bush. any other questions about who i know of?
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What does that mean?
as supply increases, price decreases and vice versa. this means that if they lower supply they will raise prices, and like any good business would do, OPEC isn't going to increase oil production just because we ask them to.
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Any barbarian Nazi will love bush. So thats a positive I guess.
actually, a barbarian, by definition, would hate all civilized nations, so would then hate not only bush, but also you and me. why would a nazi love bush, who is of a nation that overthrew hitler?
you need to get your vocabulary straight before you make half-assed attempts of adding to this dismal "conversation" that is doing nothing but showing that most of the memebers of this forum do not have a strong grasp on reality and watch too much CNN.
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He has killed millions of Afgan men and women. Hes gone after Iraq killion millions of civilians there and he killed his own people on sept/11!
while he did send troops into afganistan and iraq, he has not been responsible for billions of deaths. that would be impossible. i doubt that there are a 2 or more billion people in the middle-east. i would doubt that a million people died because of bush, but rather, thousands die because of their beliefs said that they must kill themselves to kill the 'infidels' which i assume would be you and me.
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Oh yes, its all bullshit!
most of it
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What am I talking about?
hell if i know
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ONLY him dominiating countries, puting people in camps , calling them terrorists, taking awway peoples rights!
Now you no longer have to have a search warrent to search someones home! You don't even have to be there! They can enter with/without you!
They can press charges against you and not provide any evedence and they can call you a terrorist simply because one is brown skinned and believes in th muslim faith.
i don't like the patriot act to begin with, but do i need to remind you that it was passed by CONGRESS? do you even know how the US government works? the president does not have much legislative power. the american population has some skewed view of the president thinking that he has ultimate power in the government, when in fact he doesn't.
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But hay i'm just making all that up right, just like the jews made up hitler!
why do you keep trying to say that the jews "made up hitler" or are making up the holocaust? are you that dumb? this only supports my claims that many of you are completely ignorant.
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Yes the holocaust did happen and its happening now! Just because the flag states "Made in America" DOES NOT give the right for america to act like nazi germany!
no, actually the holocaust ended when WWII ended. go back to gradeschool and pick up a history book. you need it.
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Yes, the holocaust DID happen. Hitler DID kill millions, so did bush! he IS no different and should not be exused simply because hes american!
wow, you are contradicting yourself in your very own post. very good, you realize the obviousness of the truth of the holocaust, however your sight is somewhat foggy as to what is happening in recent history. instead of going to a history book, maybe you should read some news (non-liberal news that is...)
people: if you want to make a point, please make it and stop acting like 6 year olds and posting crap for the sake of looking like you are insulting/adding to the discussion. if you have something to say, say it, but do not deviate from the truth. opinions are easy to state in a contradictory manner and this is why we are typeing back and forth to each other, but please: if you want to speak, educate yourself first.
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here is something!
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Yves Cochet
Le Monde (Paris)
March 31, 2004
http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3232,36-359335,0.html (http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3232,36-359335,0.html)
(Translated from Le Monde, Paris by Mark K. Jensen, Associate Professor of French, Chair, Department of Languages and Literatures, Pacific Lutheran University, Tacoma, WA. - Webpage: http//:http://www.plu.edu/~jensenmk/ )
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In a few years, the global production of conventional oil will fall, while the global demand continues to rise. The resulting shock of this structural oil famine is inevitable, so great are the dependency of our economies on cheap oil and, related to the first, our inability to wean ourselves from this dependency in a short period of time.
We can hope to soften the shock, but only if its imminence immediately becomes the unique reference point for a general mobilization of our societies, with, as a consequence, drastic consequences in every sector. The alternative is chaos. This prospect is based on the work of the American geologist King Hubbert, who predicted in 1956 the peak in US domestic production of oil in 1970. This occurred exactly as predicted.
Transposing Hubbert's approach today to other countries has given similar predictive results: at present, the production of every giant oilfield -- and only the giant ones matter -- is in decline, except in the "black triangle" of Iraq-Iran-Saudi Arabia.
The Hubbert's peak of the oil-producing Middle East should be reached around 2010, depending on the more or less rapid recovery of full Iraqi production and the growth rate of demand in China.
The sectors most affected by the steady rise in the price of crude oil will be, first, aviation and intensive agriculture, since the price of jet fuel for one, and of nitrogenous fertilizer as well as diesel fuel for the other, are directly linked to the price of crude oil.
This will occur unless stabilizing policies are used -- for a time and in some other sectors -- to lower taxes on oil as prices rise. But afterwards ground transport, tourism, the petrochemical industry, and the automotive industry will feel the depressive effects of a reduction in the quantity of oil (depletion). To what extent will this situation lead to a general recession? No one knows, but the blindness of politicians and the usual panicked overreaction of markets allows us to fear the worst.
This unavoidable prophecy is being universally ignored, denied, or underestimated. Rare are those who realize exactly how close and how great is its advent. Michael Meacher, formerly UK minister of the environment (1997-2003), wrote recently in the Financial Times that unless there is a general awakening and decisions at the planetary scale to bring radical change in the domain of energy, "civilization will confront the most acute and no doubt most violent upheaval in recent history."
If, in spite of everything, we want to maintain a bit of humanity in life on Earth in the 2010s, we ought, as the geologist Colin Campbell has suggested, to call on the United Nations to agree immediately on the following: to guarantee that poor countries will still be able to import a little oil; to forbid oil profiteering; to encourage saving energy; to promote renewable sources of energy. In order to attain these objectives, this universal agreement should impose the following measures: every State must regulate oil imports and exports; no oil-exporting country may produce more oil than its annual depletion, scientifically calculated, allows; every State must reduce its oil imports to an agreed-upon global depletion rate.
This necessary priority granted to physical econometrics will not suit economists and politicians, especially in America. No government of the United States has ever accepted questioning the American way of life. Since the first oil shock of 1973-1974, every American military intervention can be analyzed in the light of the fear of running short of cheap oil. It was, moreover, the American production peak in 1970 that enabled OPEC to seize the occasion and cause the first shock, which coincided with the Yom Kippur War. Countries in the West then attempted to regain control and conjure away the specter of shortage, less through energy sobriety than by means of opening oilfields in Alaska and the North Sea. In 1979, the Iranian revolution and the second oil shock once again allowed OPEC to regain preeminence, as Western economies paid dearly for their thirst for oil through the recession of subsequent years.
At the beginning of the 1980s, the financing and arming of Saddam Hussein to fight Iran was part of the American reconquest of the price and flow of oil, as was the cooperation obtained from King Fahd of Saudi Arabia to increase crude oil exports to the West. That allowed the oil price crash of 1986, a return of Western growth through unlimited oil abundance, the extension of the thirst for energy up to the Iraq wars (1991, 2003) no matter how many died from them (100,000? 300,000?), no matter how much they cost ($100 billion? $300 billion?), by no matter what means (annual Dept. of Defense budget: $400 billion).
During these same last fifteen years, the multiple conflicts in the Balkans had their source and their resolution in the American desire to keep Russia away from the oil transport routes from the Black Sea and the Caspian to the ports on the Adriatic, by way of Bulgaria, Macedonia, and Albania. Oil geopolitics authorizes any pact with Islamist devils, from central Asia to Bosnia, and all the cynical connivances with terrorists, right up to Tony Blair's recent trip to Libya to allow Shell to bring its volume of reserves in return for several hundred million dollars.
The present American Greater Middle East Initiative is dressed up in humanitarian and democratic considerations, but it is nothing but an attempt to get control once and for all of every source of oil in the region.
More than thirty years of worrying about oil has not opened the eyes of American and European leaders concerning the energy crisis that is looming just before us. Despite what Ren
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Maybe you could explain this, Siplus?
(http://www.therant.info/images/Rumsfeld%20Hussein.jpg)
That is Rumsfeld and Saddam shaking hands. Saddam used to be our ally!
explain what? first of all, it was before i was born. second of all, it was over 2 decades ago. as time progresses, people change (http://smile.gif)
i believe the key word in your statement was "used", which indicates PAST
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The PNAC?
This is the PNAC (http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm).
Read the paragraph and the signatures. Is it all clear now?
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Originally posted by Siplus:
explain what? first of all, it was before i was born. second of all, it was over 2 decades ago. as time progresses, people change (http://smile.gif)
yeah, people change based on who is keeping us from getting oil. It is all about getting oil. Nothing else. Fucking Saddam had NOTHING to do with 9/11. Infact, the middle east had nothing to do with 9/11. Afganistan is not a part of the middle east, it is a part of Asia.
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it was passed by CONGRESS?
It was rushed through Congress just days after 9/11, and passed before anyone had time to read it. Interesting thing, though, is that it was drafted by Arsecroft well before the attacks.
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Originally posted by Laukev7:
It was rushed through Congress just days after 9/11, and passed before anyone had time to read it. Interesting thing, though, is that it was drafted by Arsecroft well before the attacks.
it was? if you can provide signifigant proof of this...
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Originally posted by Siplus:
it was? if you can provide signifigant proof of this...
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/112001_f_word.html (http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/112001_f_word.html)
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"And you should well note that, according to Representative Ron Paul (R) of Texas - as reported on November 9th by Kelly O'Meara of the Washington Times' Insight Magazine - the bill had not even been printed and members of the House could not read it before they were compelled to vote on it. O'Meara wrote, "Meanwhile, efforts to obtain copies of the new bill were stonewalled even by the committee that wrote it." Most of its provisions have nothing to do with fighting terrorism. Under this so-called anti-terrorist measure:"
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Some more info!
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/index.html#civil (http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/index.html#civil)
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actually, a barbarian, by definition, would hate all civilized nations, so would then hate not only bush, but also you and me. why would a nazi love bush, who is of a nation that overthrew hitler?
Yes I agree, all civilized nations. That leaves you out!
Easy. It was a co-operation between Europ. America sided with hitler.
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you need to get your vocabulary straight before you make half-assed attempts of adding to this dismal "conversation" that is doing nothing but showing that most of the memebers of this forum do not have a strong grasp on reality and watch too much CNN.
First off stick to the topic. Grammar does not mean anything. Second if we watched CNN then we'd be siding with the bush lovers out there and we dont. We question!
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while he did send troops into afganistan and iraq, he has not been responsible for billions of deaths. that would be impossible. i doubt that there are a 2 or more billion people in the middle-east.
Who gives a shit how many people are there. Nazism is wrong!
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i would doubt that a million people died because of bush, but rather, thousands die because of their beliefs said that they must kill themselves to kill the 'infidels' which i assume would be you and me.
Wow! Thats ignorant! So I guess all those americans that are over there killing innocent civilians are just the civilians killing themselves. You need to get some searious profesional help.
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i don't like the patriot act to begin with, but do i need to remind you that it was passed by CONGRESS? do you even know how the US government works? the president does not have much legislative power. the american population has some skewed view of the president thinking that he has ultimate power in the government, when in fact he doesn't.
Well I've prooven that was wrong by the links I gave. Regardless if its congress or the presedent STILL does not make it right.
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why do you keep trying to say that the jews "made up hitler" or are making up the holocaust? are you that dumb? this only supports my claims that many of you are completely ignorant.
Wow! Just wow! Saying bush is not dangerous. Saying what he is doing is right is just like saying that the jews made up the hole hitler thing! We all know it happend and we all know its wrong. So is this situation! Its just wrong!
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no, actually the holocaust ended when WWII ended. go back to gradeschool and pick up a history book. you need it.
Before yelling at someone to go back to grade school, I sujest you do the same! You should of learn't from history that this time around it IS WRONG!
ot be exused simply because hes american!
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wow, you are contradicting yourself in your very own post. very good, you realize the obviousness of the truth of the holocaust, however your sight is somewhat foggy as to what is happening in recent history. instead of going to a history book, maybe you should read some news (non-liberal news that is...)
This is got nothing to do with left vs right. Libs vs the repugs. Nazism IS wrong! Invading countries, killing people, putting innocent people behind bars! This is what hitler did!
Like you said! Go back to grade school! You will realize WHY it didn't work for hitler and isn't going to work for america! tyrants never work out!
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people: if you want to make a point, please make it and stop acting like 6 year olds and posting crap for the sake of looking like you are insulting/adding to the discussion. if you have something to say, say it, but do not deviate from the truth. opinions are easy to state in a contradictory manner and this is why we are typeing back and forth to each other, but please: if you want to speak, educate yourself first.
I agree! FOLLOW WHAT YOU TYPE!!! EDUCATE YOURSELF FIRST AND STOP POSTING BULLSHIT AND ACT YOUR AGE!
STOP LIEING!!!
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George W. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush, was the Managing Director of the investment bank Brown Brothers, Harriman from the 1920s through the 1940s. It was Brown Brothers, in conjunction with Averell Harriman, the Rockefeller family, Standard Oil, the DuPonts, the Morgans and the Fords who served as the principal funding arm in helping to finance Adolph Hitler's rise to power starting in 1923. This included direct funding for the SS and SA channeled through a variety of German firms. Prescott Bush, through associations with the Hamburg-Amerika Steamship line, Nazi banker Fritz Thyssen (pronounced Tee-sen), Standard Oil of Germany, The German Steel Trust (founded by Dillon Read founder, Clarence Dillon), and I.G. Farben, used the Union Bank Corporation to funnel vast quantities of money to the Nazis and to manage their American interests. The profits from those investments came back to Bush allies on Wall Street. Thyssen is universally regarded as having been Hitler's private banker and ultimate owner of the Union Bank Corporation.
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/10_09_01_carlyle.html (http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/10_09_01_carlyle.html)
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But whatever happend IN history STILL does not make what america is doing as right!
ITS STILL WRONG and THERE ARE NO EXUSES!
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Originally posted by Paladin9:
yeah, people change based on who is keeping us from getting oil. It is all about getting oil. Nothing else. Fucking Saddam had NOTHING to do with 9/11. Infact, the middle east had nothing to do with 9/11. Afganistan is not a part of the middle east, it is a part of Asia.
so you're saying the middle east is not in asia?
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Originally posted by The Stiller:
so you're saying the middle east is not in asia?
yes, although that is really not the point. Iraq has nothing to do with the terrorist attacks. War is only supposed to be used as a last resort, or if we or an ally are attacked. War was not the last resort and we nor an ally were attacked, yet bush took us to war with Iraq anyway.
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Originally posted by Paladin9:
yes, although that is really not the point. Iraq has nothing to do with the terrorist attacks. War is only supposed to be used as a last resort, or if we or an ally are attacked. War was not the last resort and we nor an ally were attacked, yet bush took us to war with Iraq anyway.
[ May 13, 2004: Message edited by: Paladin9 ]
VERY TRUE!!!
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soo many lies to dispute, so little time...
first of all, -=Solaris.M.K.A=-, how old are you? and do you know what 2+2 is?
a majority of this post is to dispute his moronic post...
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Yes I agree, all civilized nations. That leaves you out!
/sigh. do you know what civiziation is? come on now. read a fuckin dictionary.
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First off stick to the topic. Grammar does not mean anything. Second if we watched CNN then we'd be siding with the bush lovers out there and we dont. We question!
note: vocabulary != grammer!!! not only do you have no understanding of the words you are using, but you do not know how to read! i can not believe you were able to read the simple forums that were mandatory for creating an account here. i know that GRAMMER is excuseable, as well as spelling mistakes (because not all of us here are native speakers, and those who are native speakers might just type lazily just because it's online)
also:CNN is extremely anti-bush. you would like it.
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Who gives a shit how many people are there. Nazism is wrong!
i'm sensing an obsession with the nazis in you. maybe you are a nazi yourself?
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Wow! Thats ignorant! So I guess all those americans that are over there killing innocent civilians are just the civilians killing themselves. You need to get some searious profesional help.
what is ignorant about it? thousands of arabs/muslim fanatics are committing suicide to kill others. it is a fact, not ignorance. the sad part is that we must mobilize troops and kill these fanatics before THEY kill innocents. in the process i realize that some of the arab/muslim non-fanatic citizens will be killed/injured, but that is one thing that the US always tried to avoid/minimize. if we wanted to kill innocent civilians, we could have just dropped a few nukes. that, of course, would be insane.
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Well I've prooven that was wrong by the links I gave. Regardless if its congress or the presedent STILL does not make it right.
no, but it will "steal your thunder", not allowing you to blame bush for everything bad in our country. he is one man, and has SOO MUCH LESS power than congress. read a book about how the american government works and you will understand.
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Wow! Just wow! Saying bush is not dangerous. Saying what he is doing is right is just like saying that the jews made up the hole hitler thing! We all know it happend and we all know its wrong. So is this situation! Its just wrong!
actually, are you a programmer? lets compare these two strings: "what he is doing is right" and "the jews made up the hole hitler thing". nope, they do not look the same to me.
and yes, the holocaust was a horrible event in the history of the world. i'm not contesting that, so i'm confused as you why you bring it up. perhaps this supports my previous claim that you are a nazi.
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Before yelling at someone to go back to grade school, I sujest you do the same! You should of learn't from history that this time around it IS WRONG!
ot be exused simply because hes american!
from what i can make out of this garbled mess, i think you are trying to say that i need to go back to school before i tell you go back to school, even though i am IN SCHOOL. this doesn't make sense. and yes, i did "learn't from history" and i can see that hitler was a bad guy, to put it mildly.
maybe words are not making sense to you, so i guess i'll have to explain everything to you in basic equations?
bush=good guy
hitler=bad guy
you=dumb guy
get it? good.
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This is got nothing to do with left vs right. Libs vs the repugs. Nazism IS wrong! Invading countries, killing people, putting innocent people behind bars! This is what hitler did!
Like you said! Go back to grade school! You will realize WHY it didn't work for hitler and isn't going to work for america! tyrants never work out!
oh, where to start? yes, this is a battle of left vs right, because the lefts are libs, or dems, and they are the ones who hate bush with a passion, like you. and very good, you have ONCE AGAIN identified nazism. i'm astounded.
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I agree! FOLLOW WHAT YOU TYPE!!! EDUCATE YOURSELF FIRST AND STOP POSTING BULLSHIT AND ACT YOUR AGE!
um. follow what i type??
i am educating myself. everyday. i live for knowledge and it is what i strive for most. i love learning. also, i'm not posting bullshit. my posts have a point (to refute your moronic statements).
if i was acting my age, i would not be wasting my time with you. i am acting "older" than my age. i would be willing to bet that not many 17 year olds would have the patience to deal with you people (well, most people here aren't so bad...not half as bad as you)
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STOP LIEING!!!
i'm not. you are. you stop lieing :-p
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so you're saying the middle east is not in asia?
i think he's refering to main asia vs middle east. they are both part of asia, but we refer to the middle east so often that we make it into its own region sorta. it's like the "mac vs pc" argument. they are both personal computers, but we call mac something else and it is understood.
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yes, although that is really not the point. Iraq has nothing to do with the terrorist attacks. War is only supposed to be used as a last resort, or if we or an ally are attacked. War was not the last resort and we nor an ally were attacked, yet bush took us to war with Iraq anyway.
war was the last resort. for 12+ years the UN was trying to deal with sadam (but the UN showed its weakness: the inability to act...). how long did you want it to draw out? untill sadam died of natural causes?
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he is one man, and has SOO MUCH LESS power than congress.
Bush is an utter imbecile, but he's nothing but a puppet. The people who are really dangerous are the neoconservatives beneath him who control everything, such as Arsecroft, Cheney, Feith, Wolfowitz, Perle, Dumbsfeld, Rice and all the other PNAC cronies.
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war was the last resort.
Last resort for what? Finding weapons they knew didn't exist?
http://100777.com/node/view/589 (http://100777.com/node/view/589)
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laukev, maybe you can help me with something about the Patriot Act.
Whenever people criticize the Patriot Act, the neocons respond by claiming that Clinton and the democrats tried to make a law very similar to the patriot act 10 years ago. Is this true?
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All the Democrats in Congress voted for the Patriot Act and the Iraq war. I think what we should do is cut and run. We'll give Saddam Hussein to the Iraqis who will probably aquit him and make him dictator of Iraq again. After that there will be genocide on the level of Hitler and Stalin like there was before in Iraq. There will be civil war in Iraq, mainly between the Shiites and Sunnis. Since most of Saddam's weapons had been destroyed, the Shiites would think it was now their chance to create a second Iran. The Iraqi Shiites will be supported by Iran and the Iraqi Sunnis will be supported by Sunnis in other countries like Syria, Saudi Arabia, the Taliban, Al Qaeda, etc. It will be one of the greatest blood baths the world has ever seen and we will have saved billions of dollars in the process.
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Originally posted by Steinmetz:
All the Democrats in Congress voted for the Patriot Act and the Iraq war. I think what we should do is cut and run. We'll give Saddam Hussein to the Iraqis who will probably aquit him and make him dictator of Iraq again. After that there will be genocide on the level of Hitler and Stalin like there was before in Iraq. There will be civil war in Iraq, mainly between the Shiites and Sunnis. Since most of Saddam's weapons had been destroyed, the Shiites would think it was now their chance to create a second Iran. The Iraqi Shiites will be supported by Iran and the Iraqi Sunnis will be supported by Sunnis in other countries like Syria, Saudi Arabia, the Taliban, Al Qaeda, etc. It will be one of the greatest blood baths the world has ever seen and we will have saved billions of dollars in the process.
[ May 13, 2004: Message edited by: Steinmetz ]
are you joking?
so, assuming you are not, you are saying that thousands/millions of lives are worth saving us a few measily billion dollars?
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Originally posted by xeen:
laukev, maybe you can help me with something about the Patriot Act.
Whenever people criticize the Patriot Act, the neocons respond by claiming that Clinton and the democrats tried to make a law very similar to the patriot act 10 years ago. Is this true?
I have never heard of such an initiative before, and I don't know too much about Clinton. However, with my newfound free time, I have researched about the legislations passed by Clinton. Uunfortunately it appears that their claims are correct, and the bill looks every bit as bad as the PATRIOT Act.
http://nsi.org/Library/Terrorism/rites.htm (http://nsi.org/Library/Terrorism/rites.htm)
Upon further research it would seem that Clinton was also responsible for legislations like the DMCA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act) and the TDA, which allowed further mergers of mainstream media corporations:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecom_Reform_Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecom_Reform_Act)
I'm saddened to find out that he also cracked down on same-sex marriage (though not to the extent of the Bush Administration):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Marriage_Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Marriage_Act)
However, that does not mean that the PATRIOT Act and the scores of anticonstitutional legislations from the Bush administration should not be condemned. Clinton is not spotless by any extent, but Bush has done much more to destroy individual freedoms in the United States than any other president.
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However, that does not mean that the PATRIOT Act and the scores of anticonstitutional legislations from the Bush administration should not be condemned. Clinton is not spotless by any extent, but Bush has done much more to destroy individual freedoms in the United States than any other president.
of course you know i'm going to rebute that statement, and i'm sure you have heard it already.
so, i'm going to take another spin on this one, just because it reminded me of what one of our first presidents did.
history lesson (triva, more like it...) for non-american citizens/american citizens who don't know much about the american goverment:
i think it was john adams (#2 president), but this was the best i could find in the 3 minutes i looked:
http://www.studyworld.com/John_Adams_Critical_Review.htm (http://www.studyworld.com/John_Adams_Critical_Review.htm)
what happened during his presidency: freedom of speech was removed, as well as other things in that short article. there was a lot of other stuff too, but it has been about 5 years since i had a S.S. class that discussed the early presidents, so i forget :-/
anyway, that is just one instance of presidents trying to remove the public's rights. clinton &friends were trying to remove many rights during their (i say their because clinton's opinion was what the results of whatever poll he saw were) presidency. other than the patriot act, i do not see anything that i disagree with as far as the freedom-removing acts are concerned (i agree with the anti-gay marrage movement, however i'm not sure why bush is mentioning it, as ammending our constitution has NOTHING to do with the president of the united states. that is all states/congress)
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i agree with the anti-gay marrage movement
You're an arse.
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Who gives a fuck on what presedent did what!
The fact is that the bush regime passed the patriot act. I don't give a shit if congress or bush himself pushed it through, it should have never gone through!
You shouldn't of gone to war period WITH ANY COUNTRY OR NATION!
And racialy profiling millions of ordinary people is just wrong!
In other words, Whether it be o'l germany, america or a peace nation counrty like canada. Nazism is wrong!!!!
If canada did the same stupid shit then canada it would be just as wrong. Geremany did do stupid shit and IT WAS wrong but if america does it its fine?
No it isn't ITS STILL WRONG!!!
Regardless! America is putting innocent people in camps and jail. Killing millions and doing it all for greed! And that is just not on!
I'm not interested in what your goverment does or doesn't do! I'm interested about the many lives the unessessaraly effects!
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Originally posted by Laukev7:
Bush is an utter imbecile, but he's nothing but a puppet. The people who are really dangerous are the neoconservatives beneath him who control everything, such as Arsecroft, Cheney, Feith, Wolfowitz, Perle, Dumbsfeld, Rice and all the other PNAC cronies.
Laukev, I wanted to correct you when you mentioned Cheney. Its "president Cheney" (http://smile.gif)
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so, assuming you are not, you are saying that thousands/millions of lives are worth saving us a few measily billion dollars?
No. Therefore it was right to invade Iraq and free it from Saddam Hussein's regime. Also, to keep the gangsters from taking over the country we have to stay there. Civil war is probably inevitable in Iraq leading to either another Saddam Hussein style regime if the Sunnis win and another Iran if the Shiites win. If western countries stay there and force Iraq to be a Democratic country then there will be one less terrorist country in the world.
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(http://home.ripway.com/2003-12/43034/pics/BushJesus.jpg)
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Siplus wrote:
No. Therefore it was right to invade Iraq and free it from Saddam Hussein's regime.
What utter bullshit. You justify killing millions of people to take out one person that YOU put there in the first place!
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Also, to keep the gangsters from taking over the country we have to stay there.
Well gangstars have already taken over the country so you might as well leave!
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Civil war is probably inevitable in Iraq leading to either another Saddam Hussein style regime
Yea, the only people that know about civil war is the americans themselves since they have the most violent cities in the world!
And there already is another 'saddam regime!'
Its the puppet councel that, again, you put in power!
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if the Sunnis win and another Iran if the Shiites win.
There are no sunnis vs shiites. There are however Americans vs everyone else!
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If western countries stay there and force Iraq to be a Democratic country then there will be one less terrorist country in the world.[/b]
First off you know nothing of democracy if you think killing millions of people and blatently abusing them is ok. Second there will always be a terrorist country as long as nazi america is around!
I hope one day the world will liberate you and restore full democracy in america!
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Originally posted by Steinmetz:
(http://home.ripway.com/2003-12/43034/pics/BushJesus.jpg)
Since jeasus is about forgiving and bush is not that image just does not fit. However this does!
(http://brasil.indymedia.org/images/2003/01/244616.jpg)
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Originally posted by Steinmetz:
No. Therefore it was right to invade Iraq and free it from Saddam Hussein's regime.
I will say it again. War is only to be used as a last resort or if we or an ally are attacked. War was not a last resort in any way for this case and we nor anyone else were attacked by Iraq. Do not tell me Iraq did 9/11.
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-=Solaris.M.K.A=-, crawl back into the pit of indifference/ignorance you came from. you are a total moron and are nothing more than a, *GASP* Troll
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Originally posted by Siplus:
-=Solaris.M.K.A=-, crawl back into the pit of indifference/ignorance you came from. you are a total moron and are nothing more than a, *GASP* Troll
You should definatly take your own advice on that since your the only one here trolling with such idiotic rehtoric!
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Originally posted by Siplus:
-=Solaris.M.K.A=-, crawl back into the pit of indifference/ignorance you came from. you are a total moron and are nothing more than a, *GASP* Troll
Siplus, you are being more of a troll then anyone else here by calling someone a "moron". Calling people names is not an effective way to do well in an argument.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
You should definatly take your own advice on that since your the only one here trolling with such idiotic rehtoric!
[ May 15, 2004: Message edited by: -=Solaris.M.K.A=- ]
that idiotic rhetoric is what this topic was all about?
did you not read the first post.
THIS ISN'T THE PLACE TO BITCH ABOUT BUSH, THERES PLENTY OF PLACES TO DO THAT.
so y'all are the ones fucking up the thread by going against the entire spirit of it. and id say fucking up threads constitutes trolling.
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Comparing Bush to Hitler shows that you are a moron.
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Comparing Bush to Hitler shows that you are a moron.
-=Solaris.M.K.A=- is a nazi, so that's all he ever thinks about.
before someone falsly calls me a 'troll' for calling him a nazi, read several of the previous pages and you will see his obsession.
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Siplus, you are being more of a troll then anyone else here by calling someone a "moron". Calling people names is not an effective way to do well in an argument.
eh, i really don't care what i call him. he doesn't listen to logic. maybe 'namecalling' will get a responce from him.
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Comparing Bush to Hitler shows that you are a moron.
What comparision? HE KILLIED INNOCENT PEOPLE!!!!
You comparing him to god SHOWS that your the only moron here!
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that idiotic rhetoric is what this topic was all about?
did you not read the first post.
THIS ISN'T THE PLACE TO BITCH ABOUT BUSH, THERES PLENTY OF PLACES TO DO THAT.
The reason that there ARE som many places that 'bitch about bush' is the fact that what he is doing IS wrong! PERIOD!!!!
Second This forum is about Microsoft not about Some american nazi dictator on a powertrip and his loyal sheep!
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so y'all are the ones fucking up the thread by going against the entire spirit of it. and id say fucking up threads constitutes trolling.
Why is accepting what he is doning 'fucking up this thread?' Do you have any Idea what trolling IS? Fuck No
Its an indevidual, such as yourself that is VERY misinformed, goes into fourms only to spew constant rehtoric just so people like you can get attention.
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Originally posted by Siplus:
-=Solaris.M.K.A=- is a nazi, so that's all he ever thinks about.
Wow! just wow! I'm a Nazi? How am I a Nazi when you are supporting a facist dictator that is bent on a power trip! Do you even know whats going on out there? IT WAS PEOPLE LIKE YOU thats causing the trouble!
And no its not ALL I think about but I will not stand aside and say what he or what you are doing is ok! Hitler did do wrong and so is BUSH!!!
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before someone falsly calls me a 'troll' for calling him a nazi, read several of the previous pages and you will see his obsession.
I agree, go read them! They at least tell the truth that you want to blindly want to deny!
You have no fucking idea what he as done do you?
HE HAS INVADED TWO COUNTRIES! TAKEN AWAY THE RIGHTS OF HIS OWN PEOPLE! KILLIED MILLIONS!
HES DONE EXCACTLY WHAT HITLER HAD DONE IN THE PAST!
AGAIN I WILL SAY, JUST BECAUSE YOUR AMERICAN DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT! THIS TIME YOU ARE IN THE WRONG! (http://graemlins/thumbsdown.gif) (http://graemlins/displeased.gif)
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/sigh...
i grow tired of your constant babbaling.
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What comparision? HE KILLIED INNOCENT PEOPLE!!!!
prove it.
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You comparing him to god SHOWS that your the only moron here!
as a christian, i take offence to that image, but i realize it was posted as a JOKE (or at least i hope it was).
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The reason that there ARE som many places that 'bitch about bush' is the fact that what he is doing IS wrong! PERIOD!!!!
nah, i think why there are so many anti-bush places are because there are too many ignorant/just plain old dumb folk...like you (http://smile.gif)
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Second This forum is about Microsoft not about Some american nazi dictator on a powertrip and his loyal sheep!
god, if i could get a dollar everytime you made a nazi reference...
first off: the nazis were a political party in GERMANY in the 1930's. bush is in the REPUBLICAN political party in USA in 2000's. i see NO coorelation
second off: bush has no characteristics in common with hitler. it is insane to compare the two, and you are insane for being obsessed with nazism/hitler.
my conclusion: you are a nazi, like i said before. it is the only logical explanation i can come up with from all of your posts, if it is possible to understand your garble
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Why is accepting what he is doning 'fucking up this thread?' Do you have any Idea what trolling IS? Fuck No
watch your mouth little boy.
i think the people here know what trolls are. they get quite a few here at fuckmicrosoft.com (i don't like the new name...)
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Its an indevidual, such as yourself that is VERY misinformed, goes into fourms only to spew constant rehtoric just so people like you can get attention.
you seem to be much more misinformed than anyone here. even those who 'debated' with me in the first few pages at least had some inkling as to what they were talking about. you have no blasted clue.
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Wow! just wow! I'm a Nazi?
that's my guess
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How am I a Nazi when you are supporting a facist dictator that is bent on a power trip!
i'm not.
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Do you even know whats going on out there?
i have a pretty good idea. probibly a better idea than yours.
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IT WAS PEOPLE LIKE YOU thats causing the trouble!
oh, i see. because of people who concentrate on their schoolwork, do community service in the form of churchservice, school service, and hospital volunteer work, and who are lawful, in addition to being open-minded to logical/credible information, "trouble" is being caused. makes a lot of sence.
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And no its not ALL I think about
you obviously don't put any thought into what you type.
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but I will not stand aside and say what he or what you are doing is ok!
why would you have to change positions in order to say that bush is doing a good job? you can say that from a sitting position too. no need to strain yourself.
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Hitler did do wrong and so is BUSH!!!
please, unless you are not a native english speaker, spend the extra 4.63 seconds to put puncuation in the correct spots. it also wouldn't hurt if you formed sentences correctly. normally i don't like to pick out mistakes like this, but you clearly either don't care or don't know any better, which, when added to your annoying qualities, just begs for correction.
anyway... yes, VERY good. you identified hitler as a bad guy! i'm sooo proud of you! btw: bush is not a bad guy. remember those simple equations i typed not too long ago? you should life by them. i'll repost them for you:
hitler=bad guy
bush=good guy
you=dumb guy
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I agree, go read them! They at least tell the truth that you want to blindly want to deny!
what truth am i wanting to blindly deny? oh do please explain to me in terms that are comprehendable (http://smile.gif)
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You have no fucking idea what he as done do you?
of course i do. if i didn't i wouldn't have much to say about him because he would be as nameless/faceless to me as citizen #234230 (in alphabetical order) in the city of san diego.
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HE HAS INVADED TWO COUNTRIES!
who created a security risk for the USA. i fully support both decisions.
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TAKEN AWAY THE RIGHTS OF HIS OWN PEOPLE!
the president of the united states of america has no such authority. it is congress, for the umpteenth time. go read a fucking government textbook. it's not my job to educate people like you
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KILLIED MILLIONS!
i would LOVE to see your factual support of this claim. but you can't show any, because that is completely inaccurate. get a fuckin idea of what you are talking about before you turn on your computer.
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HES DONE EXCACTLY WHAT HITLER HAD DONE IN THE PAST!
you are getting pretty annoying. if you are trying that, then i commend you on your excellent job well done. everyone has to be good at something, why not be good at posting bullshit? at least now you know your true calling in life: post usesless crap on a forum where no one really gives a damn about what you have to say.
you have already typed that half a dozen times. one would think that the same lie would get old after awhile. dude: they have nothing in common other than they are the leader/figurehead of a country. one was a ruthless dictator (hitler), and one is a legitamatly elected president of a free represetative democracy (aka: republic). furthermore, bush has not commited any war crimes, which nixes the idea of killing millions of innocents. so much for that argument!
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AGAIN I WILL SAY, JUST BECAUSE YOUR AMERICAN DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT!
did i say the US was right because we are americans? nope. our nationality has nothing to do with the morality of the nation's decisions.
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THIS TIME YOU ARE IN THE WRONG!
that's an opinion i don't agree with, expecially because it has no backing. think what you want; i obviously can't speak reason with you.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
And no its not ALL I think about but I will not stand aside and say what he or what you are doing is ok! Hitler did do wrong and so is BUSH!!!
so you won't just stand aside and let it happen eh?
well are you writing ur government offical and telling them to stop bush? are you doing any volunteer work to help a candidates campaign? because if you aren't ur a worthless fuck just sitting at a computer bitching.
and stop those nazi statements. they're just stupid. if you wanted to you could compare anyone you wanted to hitler.
and if you wanna bitch about rights being taken away, it happens all the time in a war. they'll come back when the war is done.
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and if you wanna bitch about rights being taken away, it happens all the time in a war. they'll come back when the war is done.
on that note...
i have not personally noticed any changes in my life since the passing of that retarded patriot act. i do, however, know that it has affected the lives of those that were the cause of its passage.
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they'll come back when the war is done.
Oh, really? (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25551-2004Apr19.html)
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/sigh...
i grow tired of your constant babbaling.
I also grow tired of your constant babbling, expecialy when innocent people are being killed due to your and your presedents stupidity!
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prove it.
->
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/ (http://www.iraqbodycount.net/)
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as a christian, i take offence to that image, but i realize it was posted as a JOKE (or at least i hope it was).
Its still idiotic.
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nah, i think why there are so many anti-bush places are because there are too many ignorant/just plain old dumb folk...like youp
Nope the reason people are complaining is because of blind dumb sheep like yourelf that keep going on spouting such ignorance!
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god, if i could get a dollar everytime you made a nazi reference...
if I could get a dollar for every stupid idiotic ignorance that pops out of your mouth!
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first off: the nazis were a political party in GERMANY in the 1930's. bush is in the REPUBLICAN political party in USA in 2000's. i see NO coorelation
Of course not. Your too stupid too, sheep.
Hitler set up camps to condemn the innocent! so did bush!
Hitler killed people, so did bush!
Hitler even killed his own people, hay look so did bush!
And gues what! They both invaded countries!
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second off: bush has no characteristics in common with hitler. it is insane to compare the two, and you are insane for being obsessed with nazism/hitler.
Why is it insane? Becaue I am right! The only one that seems obeseesed with nazism/hitler since you constantly act the part!
Its bush thats practising this shit with the help of fellow sheep like you!
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my conclusion: you are a nazi, like i said before. it is the only logical explanation i can come up with from all of your posts, if it is possible to understand your garble
Then your logic is very twisted since I do not believe in killing innocent people or trolling on boards to futher congratulate him in his hate properganda. Since you are fine with such things, then yes, you are infact a nazi!
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watch your mouth little boy.
I agree. YOU SHOULD watch your mouth little boy!
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i think the people here know what trolls are. they get quite a few here at fuckmicrosoft.com (i don't like the new name...)
Well, you don't and your doing it right now!
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you seem to be much more misinformed than anyone here. even those who 'debated' with me in the first few pages at least had some inkling as to what they were talking about. you have no blasted clue.
Oh am I? whos the one spewing such idiotic rehtoric? OF course YOU! Or maby ITS you that doesn't have a clue. Since you spout such idiotic bullshit!
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that's my guess
And an idiotic one at that!
How am I a Nazi when you are supporting a facist dictator that is bent on a power trip!
i'm not.
and Yes, you are!
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i have a pretty good idea. probibly a better idea than yours.
When in fact you've been hiding under a rock by blasting such ignorance. You obviously have no clue!
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oh, i see. because of people who concentrate on their schoolwork, do community service in the form of churchservice, school service, and hospital volunteer work, and who are lawful, in addition to being open-minded to logical/credible information, "trouble" is being caused. makes a lot of sence.
By supporting a hateful dictator. By deniying the millions that you help kill by the fact of supporting such a dictator. By denying the damage you have caused and your closed mined to spout illogical information. This is what you do and it DOES make a lot of sence!
Lucky you. You get to live a normal life while your presedent gladly fucks up other peoples lives in the name of fighting terrorism.
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you obviously don't put any thought into what you type.
A lot more thought than you!
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why would you have to change positions in order to say that bush is doing a good job? you can say that from a sitting position too. no need to strain yourself.
What idiotic rhetoric. People are being scared and you think its funny. You really are sick!
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please, unless you are not a native english speaker, spend the extra 4.63 seconds to put puncuation in the correct spots. it also wouldn't hurt if you formed sentences correctly. normally i don't like to pick out mistakes like this, but you clearly either don't care or don't know any better, which, when added to your annoying qualities, just begs for correction.
This just adds to your stupidity. Grammar is one thing. Denying the fact that your goverment is killing millions of people is another. Obviously this goes along with you having no fucking clue to what you are talking about.
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anyway... yes, VERY good. you identified hitler as a bad guy! i'm sooo proud of you! btw: bush is not a bad guy. remember those simple equations i typed not too long ago? you should life by them. i'll repost them for you:
hitler=bad guy
bush=good guy
you=dumb guy
Of course hitler is a bad guy. Sorry that you were too stupid to make the connection in my previous posts!
Here i'll help YOU out!
hitler=bad
bush=bad
you=dumb sheep!
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what truth am i wanting to blindly deny? oh do please explain to me in terms that are comprehendable
The fact that you and your goverment are the ones causing this unnessessary chaos! The fact that you blindly kill people, rape them then say its all for liberation.
And as I type now, deny any wrong doing!
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of course i do. if i didn't i wouldn't have much to say about him because he would be as nameless/faceless to me as citizen #234230 (in alphabetical order) in the city of san diego.
Of course you don't other wize you wouldn't post such rehtoric. Its sad that a famous person, even when that person has blatently done wrong is the only person you worship because 'he stands out.'
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who created a security risk for the USA. i fully support both decisions.
You did by your very own sheepish stupidity. Everyone else had nothing to do with it!
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the president of the united states of america has no such authority. it is congress, for the umpteenth time. go read a fucking government textbook. it's not my job to educate people like you
And its not my job to educate people like you eather, expecialy when you are so dumb you'd believe everything in CNN!
It doesn't matter if it congress or bush passed the law should not have gone through!
And for the umpteenth time......
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/112001_f_word.html (http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/112001_f_word.html)
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"And you should well note that, according to Representative Ron Paul (R) of Texas - as reported on November 9th by Kelly O'Meara of the Washington Times' Insight Magazine - the bill had not even been printed and members of the House could not read it before they were compelled to vote on it. O'Meara wrote, "Meanwhile, efforts to obtain copies of the new bill were stonewalled even by the committee that wrote it." Most of its provisions have nothing to do with fighting terrorism. Under this so-called anti-terrorist measure:"
If congress was truly to blame then why wern't they allowed proper access to it? Because ashcroft and buch n'co that why!
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i would LOVE to see your factual support of this claim. but you can't show any, because that is completely inaccurate. get a fuckin idea of what you are talking about before you turn on your computer.
Well again I do know at least what the truth is unlike yourelf. See the link above!
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you are getting pretty annoying.
Same with you!
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if you are trying that, then i commend you on your excellent job well done.
No need. I have idiots like you to bash around!
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everyone has to be good at something, why not be good at posting bullshit?
I agree that your expecialy good at that!
[/quote]at least now you know your true calling in life: post usesless crap on a forum where no one really gives a damn about what you have to say.
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Yep that describes you to a tea!
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you have already typed that half a dozen times. one would think that the same lie would get old after awhile.
Yep I have typed allot yet your the only one continuing on the lie! Its still your fault!
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dude: they have nothing in common other than they are the leader/figurehead of a country. one was a ruthless dictator (hitler), and one is a legitamatly elected president of a free represetative democracy (aka: republic).
And again, they both invaded countries under false pretext, they both murdered, raped an humiliated innocent people and they both both attacked their own people as well.
For petes sake. Does this look like 'liberation' to you?
http://www.einswine.com/atrocities/iraq/ (http://www.einswine.com/atrocities/iraq/)
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furthermore, bush has not commited any war crimes,
Only the fact of humiliating Iraqies, locking them up unjustly in prison camps not to mention takin the way the rights of every citizen!
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/index.html (http://www.fromthewilderness.com/index.html)
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/010404_nyc911new.html (http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/010404_nyc911new.html)
http://www.occupationwatch.org/ (http://www.occupationwatch.org/)
http://deoxy.org/wc/warcrime.htm (http://deoxy.org/wc/warcrime.htm)
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which nixes the idea of killing millions of innocents. so much for that argument!
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/bodycount.htm (http://www.iraqbodycount.net/bodycount.htm)
again you continue on with the lies. I've provided with the link above. Yes you are responsible!
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did i say the US was right because we are americans? nope. our nationality has nothing to do with the morality of the nation's decisions.
Then why condemn hitler when you do the same thing! The fact that your american seems to be the answer for everything. But guess what, this ain't hollywood. Its you thats causing the problems!
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that's an opinion i don't agree with, expecially because it has no backing. think what you want; i obviously can't speak reason with you.
An opinion that the world agrees with including true americans not blinded sheep! And I agree with you, think what you want it still doesn't change the fact that you are at fault!
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on that note...
i have not personally noticed any changes in my life since the passing of that retarded patriot act. i do, however, know that it has affected the lives of those that were the cause of its passage.
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know that it has affected the lives of those that were the cause of its passage
Of course you wouldn't notice anything. If you were brown skinned, Muslim or any religon but christian, or didn't fit what bush thinks is an american you WOULD feel its affects.
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Originally posted by Siplus:
as a christian, i take offence to that...
Oh, what a BIG FUCKING SUPRISE!!!!!! Siplus is a fucking christian!!! Well that actually expains a lot. It explains why Siplus is backing Bush, and that is becuase Bush is a god damn motherfucking neo-conservative christian. I swear, the whole Republican party has gone to shit these days becuase it is all about fucking religion now. If god really does not like gay's, sex before marrige, drugs, masturbation, then PROVE IT! So, since when is god such a facist fuck, anyway?
As for the comment Siplus made about there being no correlation between Bush and Hitler, check out the political compass. It shows that Bush, and the whole repulican party is way up there on the authoritarian scale, which leans twoards facism. Guess what? Hitler was a facist! Maybe way more then Bush, but still, Republicans still lean twoards facism.
Actually, Bush is not a Republican, he is a puppet. It is president Cheney who is really doing everything. And Cheney is a big goddamn neo-conservative. Republicans use to stand for smaller government and capital freedom, now they stand for fucking christianity and "what is moraly right"(no pun intended).
Something must be done about Bush in november. I usually do not preach to people on how to vote, but I strongly ecourage every US citizen on this forum to register to vote if you have not already done so and to PLEASE vote for John Kerry. Despite what conservative icon fuck wads like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh say, there really is nothing wrong with John Kerry and I think he would make a fine president. Who cares what medals he threw, or what SUV's he drives. Bush has WAY more problems going for him then Kerry.
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Please, Solaris & Palladin, STOP arguing, you can't beat these guys: STUPIDITY IS UNBEATABLE. They're just lucky they were born in that side of the ocean.
I suppose that Christ would do the same things if only he was the US President...
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i wonder how long it will be until -=Solaris.M.K.A=- will stop acting like a child. gees.
solaris: how old are you? seriously. you are as immature as a 9 year old.
/sigh. here goes... i guess i have nothing better to do than contest your BS. that's pretty sad.
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I also grow tired of your constant babbling, expecialy when innocent people are being killed due to your and your presedents stupidity!
wow, that's amazing. you used my statement and said the same thing, only directed at me. wow. how original.
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->
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/[/quote] (http://www.iraqbodycount.net/
)
not credible. anyone can make a site like that. if i made a site saying your a dumbass, will you believe it? probibly not because it isn't credible. (even though my site would be accurate)
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Its still idiotic.
most jokes are
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Nope the reason people are complaining is because of blind dumb sheep like yourelf that keep going on spouting such ignorance!
ah, another childish trait! once again repeat what i have said only in order to say it back to me, as if i would take offensce or something.
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if I could get a dollar for every stupid idiotic ignorance that pops out of your mouth!
child.
oh ya, you are a nazi too. every few posts i learn something new about you!
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Of course not. Your too stupid too, sheep.
child.
i'm hurt. no really, i am.
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Hitler set up camps to condemn the innocent! so did bush!
nazi.
do you know what the word innocent means? terrorists who kill innocents are not innocent themselves.
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Hitler killed people, so did bush!
nazi.
yes, hitler killed millions. and no, bush did not.
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Hitler even killed his own people, hay look so did bush!
nazi.
wow, no one should contest your nazi/WWII knowledge! you should go to some triva game show about nazis. you could win money!
ahem: bush didn't kill his own people (http://smile.gif)
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And gues what! They both invaded countries!
nazi.
that is true for many world leaders, thoughtout several millenia
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Why is it insane? Becaue I am right!
child.
:confused:
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The only one that seems obeseesed with nazism/hitler since you constantly act the part!
child AND nazi.
um. i'm not the one obsessed with nazis. i do not bring it up in 82.34526% of my posts. i only mention it to rebute your moronic statements.
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Its bush thats practising this shit with the help of fellow sheep like you!
child.
hmm. what shit is he practicing? and as far as i know, i'm not down on all fours walking around and chewing grass; i'm a human, not a sheep. do you remember learning about animals back in gradeschool? erm, that's right, you are a child so maybe you didn't get that far yet. when you get to whatever grade they teach you about animals, take special note the difference between humans and sheep.
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Then your logic is very twisted since I do not believe in killing innocent people or trolling on boards to futher congratulate him in his hate properganda.
child AND nazi.
do you know what logic is?
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I agree. YOU SHOULD watch your mouth little boy!
child.
oh, i didn't see this one coming. so apparently after i called you a little boy, you called me a little boy. get some ideas in your poor, underdeveloped mind before you post something here. please. also, while i may only be 17, i can obviously tell that my mentality far exceeds yours (assumeing you are >17. if you are <17 than that is expected)
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Well, you don't and your doing it right now!
child.
desputing lies is trolling?
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Oh am I? whos the one spewing such idiotic rehtoric? OF course YOU! Or maby ITS you that doesn't have a clue. Since you spout such idiotic bullshit!
child.
once again, something i said redirected at myself. i grow tired of this constant battle with minds lesser than mine. morons are only entertaining for a certain period of time, and you stopped being entertaining several days ago.
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How am I a Nazi when you are supporting a facist dictator that is bent on a power trip!p/quote]nazi.
he's not a facist dictator bent on a power trip. do you even know who George Bush is? my guess is that everytime you close your eyes to beat off to the image of hitler. god you are obsessed!
When in fact you've been hiding under a rock by blasting such ignorance. You obviously have no clue!
child.
another lame post by you.
a rock big enough to hide directly under would probibly not feel comfortable on my back.
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By supporting a hateful dictator.
nazi.
/sigh. what makes you think i support a hateful dictator?
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By deniying the millions that you help kill by the fact of supporting such a dictator.
nazi.
no, i acknowledge the holocaust from the 1940's.
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By denying the damage you have caused and your closed mined to spout illogical information.
child.
<sarcasm>
oh yes, i'm very illogical, aren't i? and SOOO closed minded.
</sarcasm>
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Lucky you. You get to live a normal life while your presedent gladly fucks up other peoples lives in the name of fighting terrorism.
child.
did i say i have a normal life? i have my own set of troubling problems that makes my life much less than "normal". whatever "normal" is.
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A lot more thought than you!
child.
HAHA!!! good one! are you trying to develop a sense of humor? your jokes suck, btw.
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What idiotic rhetoric. People are being scared and you think its funny. You really are sick!
child.
actually, at this moment i am quite healthy.
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This just adds to your stupidity.
child.
except i'm not dumb...
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Grammar is one thing. Denying the fact that your goverment is killing millions of people is another.
child.
wow, very good. sting A != sting B.
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Obviously this goes along with you having no fucking clue to what you are talking about.
child.
i have more "fucking clue" than you do, which isn't saying much.
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Of course hitler is a bad guy. Sorry that you were too stupid to make the connection in my previous posts!
child AND nazi.
um, are you even reading my posts? god knows i waste enough of my time reading yours.
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The fact that you and your goverment are the ones causing this unnessessary chaos!
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The fact that you blindly kill people,
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rape them
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Of course you don't other wize you wouldn't post such rehtoric. Its sad that a famous person, even when that person has blatently done wrong is the only person you worship because 'he stands out.'
child.
solaris's favorite word: rhetoric!
i don't worship mortals (http://smile.gif)
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You did by your very own sheepish stupidity. Everyone else had nothing to do with it!
you took my reply out of context. go back and re-read it
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And its not my job to educate people like you eather, expecialy when you are so dumb you'd believe everything in CNN!
child.
i haven't watched CNN in years. they are WAY too anti-bush. i rarely watch tv anymore (it's a waste of time), but when i do, Fox News is the news station i watch. why? because they are slightly pro-bush, unlike the "Clinton News Network" (as it is commonly refered to as) or MSNBC/ABC and all the other libby stations.
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It doesn't matter if it congress or bush passed the law should not have gone through!
And for the umpteenth time......
child.
i know it doesn't matter who did it, i don't like that act. BUT, the fact that bush doesn't have the authority to pass legislation, and only congress does, means that you have one less aspect to complain about.
oh, good work on using thet word "umpteenth". i don't even think i spelled it right in my previous post, but it shows that you like to copy my words, whether they are real or not.
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Well again I do know at least what the truth is unlike yourelf. See the link above!
child, you are confused.
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Same with you!
child.
ouch.
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No need. I have idiots like you to bash around!
child.
http://www.google.com/search?q=define:+idiot&sourceid=opera&num=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 (http://www.google.com/search?q=define:+idiot&sourceid=opera&num=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)
there, now you know what an idiot is. obviously i don't follow those characteristics.
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I agree that your expecialy good at that!
well, that's a first! then you also agree that you are trolling
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Yep I have typed allot yet your the only one continuing on the lie! Its still your fault!how old are you kid? 5?
And again, they both invaded countries under false pretext, they both murdered, raped an humiliated innocent people and they both both attacked their own people as well.
oh really? sorry, pure bullshit right there (http://smile.gif)
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Only the fact of humiliating Iraqies, locking them up unjustly in prison camps not to mention takin the way the rights of every citizen!
to what, i wonder, are you refering? if it is to that prison abuse scandel, then get over it.
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http://www.iraqbodycount.net/bodycount.htm
again you continue on with the lies. I've provided with the link above. Yes you are responsible!
the link above is not credible. and no, i'm not repsonsible for anything. at a minor, it is impossible for me to vote (although i think it's dumb that i can not, when some of you can. voting limits should be set on level of intelligence and knowledge of the world. not on age.)
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Then why condemn hitler when you do the same thing!
excuss me?
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The fact that your american seems to be the answer for everything. But guess what, this ain't hollywood. Its you thats causing the problems!
no, nothing is justified because you are peron "x" or of country "y" or of ethnicity "z". YOU are the one filled to the brim with bullshit.
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Of course you wouldn't notice anything. If you were brown skinned, Muslim or any religon but christian, or didn't fit what bush thinks is an american you WOULD feel its affects.
did i say i wasn't black? did i say i wasn't hispantic? as it happens, i am cacausian. it doesn't matter, because the legal system in america is blind to ethnicity/religion.
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Oh, what a BIG FUCKING SUPRISE!!!!!! Siplus is a fucking christian!!! Well that actually expains a lot. It explains why Siplus is backing Bush, and that is becuase Bush is a god damn motherfucking neo-conservative christian. I swear, the whole Republican party has gone to shit these days becuase it is all about fucking religion now. If god really does not like gay's, sex before marrige, drugs, masturbation, then PROVE IT! So, since when is god such a facist fuck, anyway?
although i am a chirstian, i DO think for myself. there is a lot in my religion that i do not believe (practically anything in the bible, for instance). i have a mind, and i use it (unlike solaris over here)
also, i am confused as to why people think cheney is president. vice presidents have little power...their only job is the break ties in the senate and taking over for the president when he is inable.
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Something must be done about Bush in november.
i agree! and i encourage everyone here to help vote him back in. he has done a superb job these past 3 years, and he would aid the country well for another 4.
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there really is nothing wrong with John Kerry and I think he would make a fine president. Who cares what medals he threw, or what SUV's he drives. Bush has WAY more problems going for him then Kerry.
he is a hypocrite.
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Please, Solaris & Palladin, STOP arguing, you can't beat these guys: STUPIDITY IS UNBEATABLE. They're just lucky they were born in that side of the ocean.
yes, i have noticed in my battle with solaris that supidity can not be irreversed. it is sad, really, that he must go through life as a dumbass. he'll probibly work for the rest of his life as a construction worker or some lowly/menial task-oriented job.
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not credible. anyone can make a site like that. if i made a site saying your a dumbass, will you believe it? probibly not because it isn't credible. (even though my site would be accurate)
At least look at their methodology (http://www.iraqbodycount.net/background.htm#methods).
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ahem: bush didn't kill his own people
Soldiers?
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do you know what the word innocent means? terrorists who kill innocents are not innocent themselves.
Hitler also called the innocents 'terrorists'.
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that is true for many world leaders, thoughtout several millenia
Doesn't make it right.
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he is a hypocrite.
Yes, but Bush is even more so.
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Originally posted by Siplus:
i agree! and i encourage everyone here to help vote him[Bush] back in. he has done a superb job these past 3 years, and he would aid the country well for another 4.
Excuse me while I vomit. A superb job? At what? Starting a war based on a lie? Raising the Defict to a record high? Yeah, he is superb at that. Please, no one listen to Siplus! Vote for Kerry!!
Since when is Kerry a hypocrite? Give me one example!
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Since when is Kerry a hypocrite? Give me one example!
simple: kerry commited war crimes HIMSELF while in vietnam, but is demanding resignation from rumsfeild for having soldiers X levels below him commit lesser war crimes.
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Originally posted by timothygr:
Please, Solaris & Palladin, STOP arguing, you can't beat these guys: STUPIDITY IS UNBEATABLE. They're just lucky they were born in that side of the ocean.
I suppose that Christ would do the same things if only he was the US President...
I totaly agree with you! I just can't believe how sick this guy 'siplus' is. Hes the farthest thing from human since human derives from compasion, thus equalizes humanity. This guy is what he describes himself.
A 4 legged animal that eats grass and follows people blindly. A pitty full child at best.
A person who denies the fact that he and people like him are the ones responisble for the deaths that have been caused thus far, by this unnessessart chaos.
He ieven goes as far as to mention the word nazi over and over again yet he practices what he states.
He knows very little about history and even with the links I have provided still denies that he is at fault.
einstein said it best. There are two things that are always infinate.
The Universe and Human Stupidity. And siplus has prooven the human stupidity part quite well.
:D
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Originally posted by Siplus:
simple: kerry commited war crimes HIMSELF while in vietnam,
Proof please!
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but is demanding resignation from rumsfeild for having soldiers X levels below him commit lesser war crimes.
What the fuck is lesser war crimes? They commited war crimes end of story!
You are never going to get it siplus. Your too stupid too. But one day people are going to get so sick of your ignorance that you will get a taste on what you spout!
Just a matter of time.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
What the fuck is lesser war crimes? They commited war crimes end of story!
You are never going to get it siplus. Your too stupid too. But one day people are going to get so sick of your ignorance that you will get a taste on what you spout!
Just a matter of time.
he confirmed it himself you bleeding imbecile.
also, what am i not going to get? i see...i'm not going to understand the modivation you have for posting such crap online!
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the difference is that kerry burnt down innocent's villages while some 17 prison gaurds made fools of themselves in a prison with terrorists. there is a BIG difference! i personally don't think that what happened in that prison should reflect AT ALL on the current administration since they had nothing to do with that scandel.
[ May 16, 2004: Message edited by: Siplus ]
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the difference is that kerry burnt down innocent's villages while some 17 prison gaurds made fools of themselves in a prison with terrorists. there is a BIG difference! i personally don't think that what happened in that prison should reflect AT ALL on the current administration since they had nothing to do with that scandel.
They had to do with sending hundreds of American troops to get killed to slaughter nearly 10,000 Iraqi civilians for weapons of mass destruction they didn't have. As a result they have contaminated Iraq with 2000 tonnes of depleted uranium, which is considered by the UN a weapon of mass destruction.
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That is bullshit. Kerry got three purple hearts while Bush was jerkin off in the texas national guard.
Give me another example of why Kerry is a hypocrite.
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you only said one :-p
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Originally posted by Siplus:
you only said one :-p
What? Are you allready out of bad things to say about Kerry? :D
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Originally posted by Laukev7:
As a result they have contaminated Iraq with 2000 tonnes of depleted uranium, which is considered by the UN a weapon of mass destruction.
and dont most countries still use the depleted uranium because it is the most effective? and are there not programs to clean it up? and dont they fire it here in the US?
and solaris...
you continue to claim that siplus is and idiot for not seeing that bush is an evil dictator taking away our rights killing millions and putting people in camps.
i wonder why he doesn't see such a plausible explanation
christ stop looking at everything like its the new world order master plan. i dont really like the government either. the worst of the US's troubles is probably(and i think laukev would agree) is the pnac.
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and dont most countries still use the depleted uranium because it is the most effective? and are there not programs to clean it up? and dont they fire it here in the US?
I'm not saying that this specific to the US; unfortunately you are right that many other countries do it as well. I was pointing at the irony that Saddam Hussein was accused of having WMD, when the invader used depleted uranium to overthrow him.
And yes, they do fire DU in the States and in other countries, and this should a major health concern.
http://www.rachel.org/bulletin/index.cfm?issue_ID=2427 (http://www.rachel.org/bulletin/index.cfm?issue_ID=2427)
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Originally posted by Laukev7:
...and this should a major health concern.
Bush, or most republicans, do not care about health problems.
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i wonder how long it will be until -=Solaris.M.K.A=- will stop acting like a child. gees.
Is that the best you can do? You are the only one acting like a child here, as proof by your very own posts.
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solaris: how old are you? seriously. you are as immature as a 9 year old.
Hahaha, yet here you are ranting like one. Obviously you ARE a 9 year old or even younger.
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/sigh. here goes... i guess i have nothing better to do than contest your BS. that's pretty sad.
Yes, it is pritty sad when all you do is BS!
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wow, that's amazing. you used my statement and said the same thing, only directed at me. wow. how original.
Wow your idiotic! The only one making troll statments is you. Besides no one is arguing the fact that your an idiot!
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not credible. anyone can make a site like that. if i made a site saying your a dumbass, will you believe it? probibly not because it isn't credible. (even though my site would be accurate)
Not anyone. You invaded a country and your the one killing innocent people. If you were to make the site it would obviously be BS.
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ah, another childish trait! once again repeat what i have said only in order to say it back to me, as if i would take offensce or something.
Again your the only one posting with complete ignorance. Again no one is arguing that your an idiot.
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child.
oh ya, you are a nazi too. every few posts i learn something new about you!
Obviosuly you really are thick headed. You mention the word nazi a billion times while all the time acting like one. You don't even know what a nazi is do you? Its people like yourself that make exuses to justify the killing of innocent people.
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i'm hurt. no really, i am.
Your pathetic!
do you know what the word innocent means? terrorists who kill innocents are not innocent themselves.
Yes but you obviously don't since the only 'terroists' out there killiong people is you!
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nazi.
Yes you are!
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yes, hitler killed millions. and no, bush did not.
Hes he did dispite your stupidity.
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quote:Hitler even killed his own people, hay look so did bush!
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nazi.
Yes we got that you are one already!
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wow, no one should contest your nazi/WWII knowledge! you should go to some triva game show about nazis. you could win money!
Well, no one like you yes. Against you anyone could win money.
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ahem: bush didn't kill his own people
Ahem: Yes he did!
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/02_11_02_lucy.html (http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/02_11_02_lucy.html)
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nazi.
Yes! WE KNOW YOU ARE ONE! Obviously your obssessed over that word!
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that is true for many world leaders, thoughtout several millenia
for many facist dictators.
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child.
Yes we know that you are that too by your idiotic responses
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child AND nazi.
What is this? the six billionth time you mention the word nazi!
WE ALL KNOW YOUR BOTH OF THESE THINGS!
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um. i'm not the one obsessed with nazis. i do not bring it up in 82.34526% of my posts. i only mention it to rebute your moronic statements.
See the quotes you have made above, obviously you are obssessed and you haven't rebuted anything just confiming more to the point that you are an idiot.
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child.
Yes you are!
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hmm. what shit is he practicing?
You can't read can you! No wonder your a moron! I've provided all the links. You have shown nothing but idiotic rhetoric.
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and as far as i know, i'm not down on all fours walking around and chewing grass;
As far as you know. But from what you know so far is very little indeed. Not only have you described yourself to a tea. But your also as dumb as one.
Proof by your posts!
i'm a human, not a sheep.
A human would be intelligent enough to know when he/she has made a mistake. Their human enough to feel compassion with their fellow mena and women. A human believes in humanity! All of which is the opposite of you!
So yes you are a sheep.
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do you remember learning about animals back in gradeschool?
Well obviously yes, but your a clear no in that question by your very own submission.
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erm, that's right, you are a child so maybe you didn't get that far yet.
Ignorance is bliss! Again your the only one acting like a child here! Thus its YOU that needs to open up your eyes. If you can handle that. Seems that your brain power is a little short.
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when you get to whatever grade they teach you about animals, take special note the difference between humans and sheep.
ok, you do that!
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child AND nazi.
Yes we know that your both
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do you know what logic is?
Yes. Do you? No by the proof of your very own posts.
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child.
Yes you are!
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oh, i didn't see this one coming.
You wouldn't see alot of things coming being as thick as you are.
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so apparently after i called you a little boy,
Your not calling me anything! No one is disputing with you that you are a little boy I just agreed with you.
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get some ideas in your poor, underdeveloped mind before you post something here.
Practice what you preach!
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please. also, while i may only be 17, i can obviously tell that my mentality far exceeds yours
Your post proove otherwize! So far you have prooven to be a blabbering idiot. That about it. So much fro you 'mentality' exceeding mine. HAhahaha lol.
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(assumeing you are >17. if you are <17 than that is expected)
What that your 17 and an idiot. Yes that is to be expected.
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child.
Again yes you are!
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desputing lies is trolling?
No you carrying on lies is trolling!
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child.
Again yes you are!
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once again, something i said redirected at myself.
Once again nothing is being redirecred no one is arguing that your a moron!
i grow tired of this constant battle with minds lesser than mine.
Really? You must really hate yourself!
No one has a lesser mind compared to you.
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morons are only entertaining for a certain period of time, and you stopped being entertaining several days ago.
I agree, you should move on. But I realize your to stupid to.
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he's not a facist dictator bent on a power trip.
He is due to the chaos he has caused
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do you even know who George Bush is?
Yes I do. Do you. Nope, proof by your above posts!
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my guess is that everytime you close your eyes to beat off to the image of hitler.
No need I've got him and sheep like you the define the image for me!
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god you are obsessed!
Yes you are!
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child.
Yes, we know that you are.
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another lame post by you.
If your sick of your lame posts why do you continue to post?
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a rock big enough to hide directly under would probibly not feel comfortable on my back.
Maby not, bt still some how you managed to fit under one.
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nazi.
Again your obsession.
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/sigh. what makes you think i support a hateful dictator?
Duh! You really are a moron! You support bush of course you support a hateful dictator!
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nazi.
Yes you are and your obssessed. Seek help now!
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no, i acknowledge the holocaust from the 1940's.
But you deny the fact that you are doing the same thing!
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child.
Yes you are
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<sarcasm>
oh yes, i'm very illogical, aren't i? and SOOO closed minded.
</sarcasm>
No need for sarcasm. You have prooven to us that you are very illogical and very closed minded. No one is gonig to argue with that!
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child.
Yes you are!
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did i say i have a normal life? i have my own set of troubling problems that makes my life much less than "normal". whatever "normal" is.
Yes, I can see that through your posts.
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child.
yes you are!
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HAHA!!! good one! are you trying to develop a sense of humor? your jokes suck, btw.
Nope. I can't make people like you laugh! Your too sick minded!
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child.
Yes, you are!
actually, at this moment i am quite healthy.
Well, mentaly your quite sick!
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child.
Yes you are!
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except i'm not dumb...
your posts beg to differ!
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child.
Yes, you are!
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wow, very good. sting A != sting B.
ok.
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child.
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i have more "fucking clue" than you do, which isn't saying much.
Your posts state otherwize and I agree it isn't saying much!
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child AND nazi.
Yep your both of them
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um, are you even reading my posts? god knows i waste enough of my time reading yours.
Yes, its the same blabbering idiotic rehtoric over and over
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--> False
--> True!
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The fact that you blindly kill people,
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--> False
--> True!
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:rape them
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--> False
--> True!
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child.
Yes, you are!
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solaris's favorite word: rhetoric!
Siplus's faborite word: Child AND nazi.
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i don't worship mortals
Your posts prove otherwize.
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you took my reply out of context. go back and re-read it
What did I take out of context? We all know that your a moron by now!
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child.
Siplus's faverite word agian.
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i haven't watched CNN in years. they are WAY too anti-bush. i rarely watch tv anymore (it's a waste of time), but when i do, Fox News is the news station i watch. why? because they are slightly pro-bush, unlike the "Clinton News Network" (as it is commonly refered to as) or MSNBC/ABC and all the other libby stations.
What utter bullshit! There is no such thing as 'anti-bush' stations and liberal stations!
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child.
Here it is again :D
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i know it doesn't matter who did it, i don't like that act. BUT, the fact that bush doesn't have the authority to pass legislation, and only congress does, means that you have one less aspect to complain about.
What aspect! The fact that the US Patriot act IS messing up peoples lives! That not a complaint thats a fact! Its doesn't matter who passed it, it should be removed. You're still blabbering excuses.
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oh, good work on using thet word "umpteenth". i don't even think i spelled it right in my previous post, but it shows that you like to copy my words, whether they are real or not.
Whats to copy? I'm not a sheep like yourself.
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child, you are confused.
Yes you are!
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child.
and again.
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child.
and again!
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http://www.google.com/search?q=define:+idiot&sourceid=opera&num=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 (http://www.google.com/search?q=define:+idiot&sourceid=opera&num=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)
there, now you know what an idiot is. obviously i don't follow those characteristics.
He knows how to use google but thats about it. Those characteristics describe you to a tea!
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well, that's a first! then you also agree that you are trolling
Nope since your the only one rambling on and on with absolutly no point.
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how old are you kid? 5?
First you say your 17 now you say your 5? Eather way you still sound like an idiot!
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oh really? sorry, pure bullshit right there
How is that? No need to appologize I know that i',m right!
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to what, i wonder, are you refering? if it is to that prison abuse scandel, then get over it.
Oh thats right if it happens to Iraqies then 'get over it.' If it happens to you then its an issue.
Pure Nazi ignorance! Just prooves my point on what you are. Not just throwing the word around like you have done!
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the link above is not credible.
Yep, it is!
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and no, i'm not repsonsible for anything. at a minor, it is impossible for me to vote (although i think it's dumb that i can not, when some of you can. voting limits should be set on level of intelligence and knowledge of the world. not on age.)
YOu are if you support him and agree with the age limit even if you reach the legal age your still not intelligent to vote.
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excuss me?
your excused.
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no, nothing is justified because you are peron "x" or of country "y" or of ethnicity "z". YOU are the one filled to the brim with bullshit.
Again your posts are the only ones here filled to the brim with bullshit since thats what you went to war on!
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did i say i wasn't black? did i say i wasn't hispantic? as it happens, i am cacausian. it doesn't matter, because the legal system in america is blind to ethnicity/religion.
Nope! the Patriot act states otherwize!
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although i am a chirstian, i DO think for myself.
Well so far you haven't!
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there is a lot in my religion that i do not believe
and even more you do believe! Like the bullshit les bush spews!
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(practically anything in the bible, for instance).
ok.
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i have a mind, and i use it (unlike solaris over here)
You mean you don't have a mind like solaris over there! Since again all you are doing is blabbering on with such idiotic bull!
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also, i am confused as to why people think cheney is president. vice presidents have little power...their only job is the break ties in the senate and taking over for the president when he is inable.
weather it be cheney bush or whatever. Still your fault. No exuses!
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i agree! and i encourage everyone here to help vote him back in. he has done a superb job these past 3 years, and he would aid the country well for another 4.
Hahaha! if your dumb enough to vote him back in your dumb enough to be killed! Hes, put the nation in to debt. Hes gone to war over false pretenses, Hes taken away peoples rights and I could go on but I understant that you are now too stupid to ever get such things!
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there really is nothing wrong with John Kerry and I think he would make a fine president. Who cares what medals he threw, or what SUV's he drives. Bush has WAY more problems going for him then Kerry.
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he is a hypocrite.
Even more bullshit!
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yes, i have noticed in my battle with solaris that supidity can not be irreversed.
What battle? And you do confirm that stupidity can not be irreversed!
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it is sad, really, that he must go through life as a dumbass.
Yes it is sad that you have to go through life as a dumbass! Hopefully a bus will come along and put you out of your missery!
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he'll probibly work for the rest of his life as a construction worker or some lowly/menial task-oriented job.
If thats your dream job! To bad you don't even have enough intelligence, even for that!
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Originally posted by The Stiller:
and solaris...
you continue to claim that siplus is and idiot for not seeing that bush is an evil dictator taking away our rights killing millions and putting people in camps.
i wonder why he doesn't see such a plausible explanation
Because hes an idiot!
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christ stop looking at everything like its the new world order master plan. i dont really like the government either. the worst of the US's troubles is probably(and i think laukev would agree) is the pnac.[/b]
Its not like a new world order but in the last 4 years america has changed, only for the worse! I can't imagine a person such as siplus existing in todays civilized sociaty but due to his rants he has prooved me wrong in that retrospect! I think the U.S. will recover over time. I know germany did after their nazi era.
I just can't stand his pathetic ignorance. To see a person who makes up exuses and ramble on while his own goverment are invading other countries and hurting innocent people around the globe.
If america did want to fight off 'terrorism' then they can on their own land but they have no right to walk into other countries and turn them upside down just for their own benefit.
Pluse Its not even right that america is even hurting their own people! Here is a country that supposed to be the land of the free and home of the brave but in the last 4 years have completely done an about turn and gone against everything that even normal americans cherish!
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Originally posted by Siplus:
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he confirmed it himself you bleeding imbecile.
Yep, you are an idiot. No arguing there!
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also, what am i not going to get? i see...i'm not going to understand the modivation you have for posting such crap online!
Innocent men and women in prisson and you go ahead and make a fool out of them when they have already gone through enough of your idiotic hatred.
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the difference is that kerry burnt down innocent's villages
proof!?
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while some 17 prison gaurds made fools of themselves in a prison with terrorists. there is a BIG difference! i personally don't think that what happened in that prison should reflect AT ALL on the current administration since they had nothing to do with that scandel.
They have everything to do with it since they shouldn't of been ther ein the first place!
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5 bucks says that siplus is gonna come on here and post some more idiotic rhetoric!
what a moron. :D
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OK, enough. Stop your bickering, both of you, or I will bin this thread. Whether pro- or anti-Bush, there are ways of arguing a point without resorting to such childish exchanges.
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Yup, both of you are acting like children fellas. Either of you just stop arguing already or start arguing like mature people (by providing support for every word you say, or at least say "This is my opinion...")
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LOL
oh, this is great! i only got about halfway through one your quite large post above (didn't even skim over the 3 smaller ones beneath it) and i can't stop laughing!
you should become a comedian solaris! there is no way anyone can make so much bullshit into a joke, except somehow you have found a way!
perhaps if i feel like wasting more time i'll read the rest of it, and maybe, just MAYBE i'll reply to you again. the only problem is that you have a hard time reading and understanding, so if i spent the time to reply, it wouldn't get to you anyway.
thanks again for the great laugh...morons like you, solaris, ARE good for something!
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oh, and Laukev7, at least i can communicate. seriously, please encourage solaris to stop being such a dumbfuck (http://smile.gif) he'd probibly listen to you more than i, since he has blocked out everything i say and gleams from it what he wants.
i would like to return to the topic of the post, however solaris has kind of 'stolen the spotlight'. would you remind me where we were?
[ May 16, 2004: Message edited by: Siplus ]
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I would like to take a moment to say that I have been enjoying this thread. Although I am getting sick of the long childish posts by solaris and siplus. Lets try to make this a good argument by supporting what we say instead of calling each other names and comparing Bush to Hitler.
For example, do this Solaris:
The US use to be allies with Saddam and Rummy was involved! Look!
(http://www.therant.info/images/Rumsfeld%20Hussein.jpg)
That is Rummy and Saddam shaking hands! What do you have to say to that Siplus!? Dont give me that bullshit about how "people change". Saddam is the same person he has always been. And we use to be friends with him! Now conservatives act like he is Satan and that we never had helped him out in the past.
[ May 16, 2004: Message edited by: Paladin9 ]
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good point, however i don't know under what pretenses they (US and sadam) were 'friends' and to what extend they were 'friends'. so, in this respect, i can honestly say i don't know.
it is probibly (if i had to guess) similar to our alliance with UBL back in the cold war.
my guess is that at the time perhaps sadam was the 'lesser of two evils'.
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Originally posted by Siplus:
LOL
oh, this is great! i only got about halfway through one your quite large post above (didn't even skim over the 3 smaller ones beneath it) and i can't stop laughing!
you should become a comedian solaris! there is no way anyone can make so much bullshit into a joke, except somehow you have found a way!
perhaps if i feel like wasting more time i'll read the rest of it, and maybe, just MAYBE i'll reply to you again. the only problem is that you have a hard time reading and understanding, so if i spent the time to reply, it wouldn't get to you anyway.
thanks again for the great laugh...morons like you, solaris, ARE good for something!
A sick mind indeed!
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oh, and Laukev7, at least i can communicate. seriously, please encourage solaris to stop being such a dumbfuck (http://smile.gif)
Take your own advice on that
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he'd probibly listen to you more than i, since he has blocked out everything i say and gleams from it what he wants.
Nobodys listsing to you. You've been trolling form the start.
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i would like to return to the topic of the post, however solaris has kind of 'stolen the spotlight'.
What spotlight is that
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would you remind me where we were?
Well so far you posted messages on how bush is holier than though. I joined in by posting facts that he is infact an idiot. You turned around throwing insult after insult.
I just prooved to the rest of the people here the not only bush but his followers are even idiots.
I've provided links to back up what I had to say. So far siplus, all you have done is post boring idiotic comments and repeated the same kind of lies that the Bush regime is stating.
Futher more you whinned how I like to use the word 'nazi' alot where as you did use the word nazi alot and I only called bush and you for what you trully are and nazism is the best definnition since something like this has already happened in the past. Bush just happend to repeat it.
There really is no comparison since he is following the same steps.
Then came the rest of your rants to which no one really cares.
[ May 16, 2004: Message edited by: Siplus ][/QUOTE]
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Originally posted by Paladin9:
I would like to take a moment to say that I have been enjoying this thread. Although I am getting sick of the long childish posts by solaris and siplus. Lets try to make this a good argument by supporting what we say instead of calling each other names and comparing Bush to Hitler.
For example, do this Solaris:
The US use to be allies with Saddam and Rummy was involved! Look!
(http://www.therant.info/images/Rumsfeld%20Hussein.jpg)
That is Rummy and Saddam shaking hands! What do you have to say to that Siplus!? Dont give me that bullshit about how "people change". Saddam is the same person he has always been. And we use to be friends with him! Now conservatives act like he is Satan and that we never had helped him out in the past.
So far I have been. I've posted links and quotes to back up my points. I've shown siplus the causes to which he and his goverment are doing. The only thing he does is come back with insults and idiotic comments because he has no leg to stand on. We both provided information to him but that won't change the kids stupidity. He is welcome to have his opionion. But He cannot exuse the damage to which he and his goverment has caused. He is still wrong and that ain't going to change!
[ May 16, 2004: Message edited by: Paladin9 ]
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Originally posted by Siplus:
good point, however i don't know under what pretenses they (US and sadam) were 'friends' and to what extend they were 'friends'. so, in this respect, i can honestly say i don't know.
it is probibly (if i had to guess) similar to our alliance with UBL back in the cold war.
my guess is that at the time perhaps sadam was the 'lesser of two evils'.
The U.S. put saddam in power and even provided nuclear weapons. The U.S. did this in mind to keep a western governess in the reagon. However at the time Iran kept stealing oil from nabouring Iraq. To which a fight broke out and loses were felt on both sides.
Then the U.N. made saddam destry the stock pile of weapons that he had contained and a 10 year plus sanctions were put onto Iraq that devistated the Iraqie economy.
But to get a better understanding:::
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/index.html (http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/index.html)
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...i promised myself i wouldn't respond to his "rhetoric"....
this is hard, i want soo badly to repsond to him, because after all the only way to argue with a child is to stoop to their level...
must overcome the urge
edit: wow, an understandable post above this one i didn't see till now, i'll respond in my next post
[ May 16, 2004: Message edited by: Siplus ]
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i agree! and i encourage everyone here to help vote him back in. he has done a superb job these past 3 years, and he would aid the country well for another 4.
Excuse me...but don't you ever dare again to make such a post without a shread of support to back up your claims. If you're not going to do so at least say "This is my opinion."
Anyway..Bush has done a SUPERB job????? :eek: Damn, I'd really hate to think of what would be a "good" job.
Let's compare January 20th, 2001 (when Bush took office) to today, May 16, 2004:
Is the economy better today than it was 3 years ago? God no. Unemployment soared to the highest amount in 12 years. US is loosing jobs.
National Debt: Has increased by a bit less than 2 trillion dollars.
Biggest surplus in US history turned into biggest deficit in US history. (Cheney has been quoted as saying "Deficits don't matter.") Well sure..to him they don't matter. He's got all that oil.
Environment: Every geologist and professional enviornmentalist in the world is condeming the Bush administration for what their policies are doing to the enviornment. In the FIRST WEEK of Bush's presidency, he repealed laws that Clinton helped make that heavily punish corporations that release more than a strictly enformed limit on pollution. And don't forget how much radiation and pollution the wars cause. And even the Pentagon earlier this year admitted that there is reason to be concerned about the increase in pollution in our enviornment.
Contrary to his promise of being a "uniter", Bush has done absolutely nothing in 4 years but divide everyone. He created division in his own cabinet, he created the biggest division among the citizens since in 40 years, and he certainly did not attempt to unite the US with the rest of the world.
Education: Nothing's been done for education in the past 3 years. (I'm not saying Clinton did much..but Bush certainly hasn't helped). On the contrary, due to Bush's financial irresponsibility, the government has been forced to cut back tuition aid for college students. (I'm experiencing this as we speak). THus, less students are able to go to college, or have to go to worse colleges.
Technology and Science: Just last week a secomnd report has been released by a national agency. The report shows how in the past 4 years techonology and science research have decreased in America and have moved more to Europe. This is due to more economic problems of companies and universities, less government funds for science, and because Bush is doing all he can to appeal to Christian voters (like cutting funds for cell research).
Religion and censorship: Separation of church and state is going down the drain as Bush has been increasing funds for christian based groups and cutting others off. Censorship in all media is growing instead of declining. Government is also meddling in social issues it has no business dealing with like gay marriage. Note: your entitled to any opinion you have about gay marriage but the fact is its not the governments business.
Every single state is in a deficit thanks to the national defict and aid cutbacks on the federal level. This has led to cutbacks for schools in cities, libraries, homeless help, and even medical facilities.
Even a smaller percentage than in 2001 now controls the majority of the nation's wealth.
Human and consitutional rights: Bush admin has failed to comply by the consitutionally granted rights that arrested people have.
Medicare/Health Insurance: Zero work done here. Clinton also failed to improve the health care system...but at least he gave it a shot. Bush hasnt even tried.
World Affairs: Complete failure to comply with the internationally accepted Geneva conventions. Withdrawal from weapon nonproliferation treaty with Russia: an action which has ALREADY initiated a new arms race, just as people in Bush's own administration said it would.
Security: complete failure to prevent the worst terrorist attack ever. More terrorists around the world want to hurt us now thanks to the Iraq war. Billions of dollars spent on a missle-defense system: an idea created during Cold War and has recently been proven pointless and capable of stopping missles that nobody even uses anymore.
World Image: US tourism down. The Middle East can't stand us. Europe hates us. Latin America hates us. 95% of the world leaders want to see a change in US leadership.
Backup and support can be provided per your request for any of the above statements.
Now I REALLY want to try to understand your logic. So please, explain to me what has been "superb" about Bush's presidency. I will appreciate that.
[ May 17, 2004: Message edited by: xeen ]
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Originally posted by Siplus:
...i promised myself i wouldn't respond to his "rhetoric"....
this is hard, i want soo badly to repsond to him, because after all the only way to argue with a child is to stoop to their level...
must overcome the urge
edit: wow, an understandable post above this one i didn't see till now, i'll respond in my next post
[ May 16, 2004: Message edited by: Siplus ]
See! Now what does that have to do with the conversation? Nothing! Just more idiotic posts.
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Originally posted by xeen:
Excuse me...but don't you ever dare again to make such a post without a shread of support to back up your claims. If you're not going to do so at least say "This is my opinion."
Anyway..Bush has done a SUPERB job????? :eek: Damn, I'd really hate to think of what would be a "good" job.
Let's compare January 20th, 2001 (when Bush took office) to today, May 16, 2004:
Is the economy better today than it was 3 years ago? God no. Unemployment soared to the highest amount in 12 years. US is loosing jobs.
National Debt: Has increased by a bit less than 2 trillion dollars.
Biggest surplus in US history turned into biggest deficit in US history. (Cheney has been quoted as saying "Deficits don't matter.") Well sure..to him they don't matter. He's got all that oil.
Environment: Every geologist and professional enviornmentalist in the world is condeming the Bush administration for what their policies are doing to the enviornment. In the FIRST WEEK of Bush's presidency, he repealed laws that Clinton helped make that heavily punish corporations that release more than a strictly enformed limit on pollution. And don't forget how much radiation and pollution the wars cause. And even the Pentagon earlier this year admitted that there is reason to be concerned about the increase in pollution in our enviornment.
Education: Nothing's been done for education in the past 3 years. (I'm not saying Clinton did much..but Bush certainly hasn't helped). On the contrary, due to Bush's financial irresponsibility, the government has been forced to cut back tuition aid for college students. (I'm experiencing this as we speak). THus, less students are able to go to college, or have to go to worse colleges.
Technology and Science: Just last week a secomnd report has been released by a national agency. The report shows how in the past 4 years techonology and science research have decreased in America and have moved more to Europe. This is due to more economic problems of companies and universities, less government funds for science, and because Bush is doing all he can to appeal to Christian voters (like cutting funds for cell research).
Religion and censorship: Separation of church and state is going down the drain as Bush has been increasing funds for christian based groups and cutting others off. Censorship in all media is growing instead of declining. Government is also meddling in social issues it has no business dealing with like gay marriage. Note: your entitled to any opinion you have about gay marriage but the fact is its not the governments business.
Every single state is in a deficit thanks to the national defict and aid cutbacks on the federal level. This has led to cutbacks for schools in cities, libraries, homeless help, and even medical facilities.
Even a smaller percentage than in 2001 now controls the majority of the nation's wealth.
Human and consitutional rights: Bush admin has failed to comply by the consitutionally granted rights that arrested people have.
World Affairs: Complete failure to comply with the internationally accepted Geneva conventions. Withdrawal from weapon nonproliferation treaty with Russia: an action which has ALREADY initiated a new arms race, just as people in Bush's own administration said it would.
Security: complete failure to prevent the worst terrorist attack ever. More terrorists around the world want to hurt us now thanks to the Iraq war. Billions of dollars spent on a missle-defense system: an idea created during Cold War and has recently been proven pointless and capable of stopping missles that nobody even uses anymore.
World Image: US tourism down. The Middle East can't stand us. Europe hates us. Latin America hates us. 95% of the world leaders want to see a change in US leadership.
Backup and support can be provided per your request for any of the above statements.
Now I REALLY want to try to understand your logic. So please, explain to me what has been "superb" about Bush's presidency. I will appreciate that.
I second that!
Done posting links and the rest of us have made very good points. Lets see what he has to say.
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Don't read my quote in Solaris's post. I updated my post so read that instead.
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hey this thread has gone on way too long.
could we just lock this?
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Originally posted by The Stiller:
hey this thread has gone on way too long.
could we just lock this?
NO!
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It seems that you and Jimmy are the only open minded people here.
That's crazy, too!
And I think the only reason I am is because I try to stay very objective in politics. Bush isn't a good president, he is however good at running a war. He's got the guts for it, and he's got what seems like one of the best cabinets in decades.
Bush is a piss poor domestic policyleader, though.
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Originally posted by JimmyJames: GenSTEP Founder:
[QB]
Bush isn't a good president, he is however good at running a war.
He's loosing the Iraqi was big time. So if he sucks in policy, running the actual country and even war then what good is he?
I agree he was good at scare mongering but execpt for a very few stupid people (See siplus.) Most people realized he is just a masive bullshiter that has cost alot of people lives.
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Originally posted by JimmyJames: GenSTEP Founder:
Bush isn't a good president, he is however good at running a war. He's got the guts for it, and he's got what seems like one of the best cabinets in decades.
I disagree. He is doing an awfull job running the war in Iraq. Do you really think that we are actually winning? Rebublicans have all been bad at running wars! Think back in history. We won WWI and WWII. Guess who was president at those times? Democrats! Sure, LBJ fucked up vietnam but at least he was not an asshole enough to run for president again. And Nixon was even worse at dealing with it. Anyway, bush is doing an ass crap job in Iraq. I just wish he never started it in the first place. Hopefully Kerry can do something about the whole situation if he becomes president.
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(abe lincoln)
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Originally posted by Siplus:
(abe lincoln)
So...now response to my post?
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Originally posted by JimmyJames: GenSTEP Founder:
That's crazy, too!
And I think the only reason I am is because I try to stay very objective in politics. Bush isn't a good president, he is however good at running a war. He's got the guts for it, and he's got what seems like one of the best cabinets in decades.
Bush is a piss poor domestic policyleader, though.
absolutely
and how are we losing?
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Originally posted by The Stiller:
absolutely
and how are we losing?
Lets see here! You've pumped millions of dollars into this war. Yet there is still no victory for you. Even with all the latest technologies americans still end up getting their assess kicked by a home made road side bomb or a granade.
[ May 16, 2004: Message edited by: -=Solaris.M.K.A=- ]
[ May 16, 2004: Message edited by: -=Solaris.M.K.A=- ]
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You've pumped millions of dollars into this war.
:( I wish we had. It's actually billions. A bit more than 115 billion by now.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Lets see here! You've pumped millions of dollars into this war. Yet there is still no victory for you. Even with all the latest technologies americans still end up getting their assess kicked by a home made road side bomb or a granade.
[ May 16, 2004: Message edited by: -=Solaris.M.K.A=- ]
[ May 16, 2004: Message edited by: -=Solaris.M.K.A=- ]
wars are expensive.
so we're losing the war because sometimes a bomb attack works?
*edit* this thread now has as many posts as the bush pictures thread. these bush topics go on way too long
[ May 16, 2004: Message edited by: The Stiller ]
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Originally posted by The Stiller:
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wars are expensive.
I agree, not only in money value but in lives as well.
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so we're losing the war because sometimes a bomb attack works?
Your losing because most times bomb attackes work even against the most 'advance' army.
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*edit* this thread now has as many posts as the bush pictures thread. these bush topics go on way too long
You know what stiller I agree 100%!
No matter how long this thread gets. It still dosn't change the fact that bush is a complete moron.
[ May 16, 2004: Message edited by: -=Solaris.M.K.A=- ]
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lemme get this straight, we're losing because their attacks work?
well by this logic we're also winning cause our bombs are ruining the iraqi's shit.
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If we are winning, then why are we still there? If we were doing well then we would not be sending more troops and inceasing their time there.
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Originally posted by Paladin9:
If we are winning, then why are we still there? If we were doing well then we would not be sending more troops and inceasing their time there.
so you're saying once you start to win a war you leave?
if we left iraq people would bitch about us crippling iraq's government and leaving it to be taken over.
but do you seriously believe the iraqis are driving us out?
for fucks sake we've already got baghdad and saddam. all thats really left are some smaller groups.
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A "politically correct" message board:
http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24 (http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24)
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Originally posted by Steinmetz:
A "politically correct" message board:
http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24 (http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24)
Welcome back, Great_Satan.
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Originally posted by The Stiller:
so you're saying once you start to win a war you leave?
if we left iraq people would bitch about us crippling iraq's government and leaving it to be taken over.
but do you seriously believe the iraqis are driving us out?
for fucks sake we've already got baghdad and saddam. all thats really left are some smaller groups.
I said, why are we sending more troops and inceasing the troops time spent in Iraq? Thats not something we would do if we were doing well.
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Originally posted by Steinmetz:
A "politically correct" message board:
http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24 (http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24)
That looks like a conservative/anit-liberal board.
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if we left iraq people would bitch about us crippling iraq's government and leaving it to be taken over
Yout there and you are crippling the iraq's goverment by putting up a puppet council and not letting elections run.
Thats why they are fighting you. To stop you from taking over.
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Er, this is a pro-Bush thread. So:
http://billionairesforbush.com/index.php (http://billionairesforbush.com/index.php)
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Originally posted by Laukev7:
Er, this is a pro-Bush thread. So:
http://billionairesforbush.com/index.php (http://billionairesforbush.com/index.php)
Maybe we should start a new pro-bush thread?
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Originally posted by Paladin9:
Maybe we should start a new pro-bush thread?
What's the point? It's not like it would attract a big audience anyway. ;)
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Originally posted by Paladin9:
I said, why are we sending more troops and inceasing the troops time spent in Iraq? Thats not something we would do if we were doing well.
or maybe its something you do when you have a deadline to get finished and let them get their government set up.
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or maybe its something you do when you have a deadline to get finished and let them get their government set up.
Or maybe Bush is a fucking retard for making his ego a higher priority instead of handing over power at a later date. It is insane that Bush is still going to do that on June 30 or whatever the date is.
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a pro bush thread is an oxymoron anyways.
People can't really congratulate him for being an idiot. Well maby his dad can.