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All Things Microsoft => Microsoft as a Company => Topic started by: mobrien_12 on 1 March 2003, 23:57
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First read the story describing how Gates has chosen to reveal ALL the windows source code to the Chineese government.
Gates reveals Windows code to China (http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104-990526.html)
Then read the older story where Jim Allchin said that revealing all of the Windows source code would jeopardize national security.
first zdnet talkback response to story
Draw your own conclusions.
[ March 01, 2003: Message edited by: M. O'Brien ]
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Once the Chinese Goverment finds out about the numerous security vulnerabilities in windows they won't hesitate to opt for using another operating system. I'm surprised Gates even gave up the source code, I thought it was shoved so far up his ass that nobody was able to find it!
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It would be quite funny if someone leaked the source code to the public.
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In China? I don't doubt it will.
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Maybe now microsot quit being childless , and get into the open source world now , if not micrsoft is going to get big compition with linux.
Microsoft try sue your way out of this one .. fuckin big babys
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It's because the Chinese belive MS stuff had backdoors for the US security services to use.
China is not wrong.
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Im sure they are showing them a modified version for the source code as is with everyone viewing it.
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That's a logical assumption. Two problems:
1)Windows source code is HUGE! Far too much to significantly modify.
2)The people who make it, know it, and have to edit it are incompetent to a certain degree. The result is that extra sensitive code is not properly modified.
UNLESS, they simply chop out massive blocks of code. Nonetheless, #1 and #2 still come into play. Of course I wonder if it's possible to notice pieces missing. IE:"This section does something and is connected to section B." But where's section B? (http://smile.gif)
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Wow,
Open-Source is un-American and is a threat to capitalism. Yet he gives source code to a communist country. Can someone smell hypocrisy? '
That's the best thing about windows code being so huge. U can close ur eyes, point and find a bug. w/ little or no possibility of hitting the table or white space anything.
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Can you say TREASON!?!?
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quote:
Originally posted by SAJChurchey:
Open-Source is un-American and is a threat to capitalism. Yet he gives source code to a communist country.
Your statement is untrue. Did you think Red Hat, Sun, Mandrake, etc. are groups of people that make OS's for hobby or fun? No. They make Open Source products to benefit themselves.
For example, Sun created OpenOffice.org not to make the best office packet, but to deliver a stable and good core to StarOffice. Sun spends less this way on bug-fixes, coding and design, because an Open Source community is doing that for them.
The same story goes with Red Hat. The personal edition is just a good core for their "Advanced server" product.
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quote:
Originally posted by Refalm:
Your statement is untrue. Did you think Red Hat, Sun, Mandrake, etc. are groups of people that make OS's for hobby or fun? No. They make Open Source products to benefit themselves.
For example, Sun created OpenOffice.org not to make the best office packet, but to deliver a stable and good core to StarOffice. Sun spends less this way on bug-fixes, coding and design, because an Open Source community is doing that for them.
The same story goes with Red Hat. The personal edition is just a good core for their "Advanced server" product.
SAJchurchey was paraphrasing Bill Gates.
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Originally posted by lazygamer:
UNLESS, they simply chop out massive blocks of code. Nonetheless, #1 and #2 still come into play. Of course I wonder if it's possible to notice pieces missing. IE:"This section does something and is connected to section B." But where's section B? (http://smile.gif)
well if you were to compile it and then run it, you would spot that it doesn't work, but then that's the case with an unmodified version of windows anyway.
as for china, the only reason microsoft are pandering to them (get it? panda? china? oh never mind...) is that china's government switched to linux last year and they want some of that juicy revenue back. why the chinese government even want windows source code is beyond me.
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quote:
Originally posted by lazygamer:
UNLESS, they simply chop out massive blocks of code. Nonetheless, #1 and #2 still come into play. Of course I wonder if it's possible to notice pieces missing. IE:"This section does something and is connected to section B." But where's section B? (http://smile.gif)
The bits they leave ot wont be required to run windows. Windows doesn't need to have extra code which spies on you. It's just an extra put in by microsoft.
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Does the code even have to be compiled? The idea is that all the source code gets leaked(except the stuff that MS didn't include), eventually extremly effective skript kiddy toolz pop up everywhere and people start a mass anti-wind0ze panic(due to a security epedemic that won't stop). It will be impossible for MS to fix all these years of sloppy(and massive) code. Of course this is all in theroy...
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The Macro$uck saga just keeps getting more hilarious all the time. Just when you think it just can't get any better... :eek:
During the anti-trust trial, Jim Allchin swears in testimony that Winderz is such a piece of shit that they couldn't possibly let anyone see the code as that would pose a threat to nat'l security. (That must be some shitty code. :D )
Then His Gatesness promises to show the Chinese gov't all this very same shitty code that can never see the light of day lest US security be compromised! Remember, these guys used to be called the "Red Chinese", and they are still a communistic gov't that has no particular good feelings for the US. It wasn't all that long ago that they forced down a US surveillance plane flying in Int'l Airspace. And unlike Saddam, they have new-cue-lar weapons and ICBMs.
So which is it: is Jim Allchin a lying bastard who needs to go down for purjury, or is His Gatesness a traitor? (http://tongue.gif)
(Probably the main truth here is that Winderz code is every bit as shitty as Allchin said it was in court. If the Chinese run true to form, we'll all know about it in a few months anyway. ;) )
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Wonder what the Chineese will think of TCPA/Palldium? I bet they will love that (http://smile.gif)
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Big time asshole bill gates is starting to get desparate.
First he laughed at Linux and called it a cancer; and it certainly is.......it's a colon cancer eating up gates' ass that has him holding his ass with both hands.
Second, he started releasing code to "certain contries" (the ones he likes).
Now, he releases it to China where a bunch of folks have already boot-legged windoze a zillion times. As someone wrote it before, maybe the Chinese government is concerned about backdoors to their computer system and now that they have the code, their computer gurus can figure it out some backdoors to our computer systems.
Way to go Billy!!!! I wonder what will be his next step. He's obviously trying to put his colon cancer in remission, though a little too late!
Go Linux!!!!
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i suspect MS are just trying to give open source software a bad name by 'opening' their software.
if they try and use the word 'fredom' though i can bet they'll be taken to court yet again by somebody...
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Big time asshole bill gates is starting to get desparate.
Oh, he's getting desperate all right. However, this desperation has damn little to do with Linux. See M$ Fraud Facts (http://www.billparish.com/msftfraudfacts.html) for some in-depth analysis of M$ and the financial grave they've dug for themselves. In brief, M$ has long gotten away with paying off its employees unusually low salaries in exchange for stock options. So long as M$ could grow its markets, and so long as the stock market kept going up, there was no problem in doing this. However, M$ has saturated its market so far as being to sell more versions of Winderz. They have no source of income other than Winderz and, perhaps, office suites. They've failed in every other market, such as interactive TV, and they're losing money with the X-Crox.
Already, we've seen Paul Allen sell off almost all of his M$ shares to preserve his (ass)ets, and resign from the Board of Directors. Let a few more highly-placed rats abandon ship, and all those employees hanging onto their options in the hopes of stricking it rich, as some actually did at first, then we'll see that that $43 billion in cash reserves isn't really all that much. The financials for M$ are nowhere near as rosy as they'd have you believe. If they can't maintain their growth, and prop up the price of their stock, then they've had it.
His Gatesness would do anything to be able to get into China: he doesn't have much choice in the matter.
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Originally posted by jtpenrod:
The Macro$uck saga just keeps getting more hilarious all the time. Just when you think it just can't get any better... :eek:
During the anti-trust trial, Jim Allchin swears in testimony that Winderz is such a piece of shit that they couldn't possibly let anyone see the code as that would pose a threat to nat'l security. (That must be some shitty code. :D )
Then His Gatesness promises to show the Chinese gov't all this very same shitty code that can never see the light of day lest US security be compromised! Remember, these guys used to be called the "Red Chinese", and they are still a communistic gov't that has no particular good feelings for the US. It wasn't all that long ago that they forced down a US surveillance plane flying in Int'l Airspace. And unlike Saddam, they have new-cue-lar weapons and ICBMs.
So which is it: is Jim Allchin a lying bastard who needs to go down for purjury, or is His Gatesness a traitor? (http://tongue.gif)
(Probably the main truth here is that Winderz code is every bit as shitty as Allchin said it was in court. If the Chinese run true to form, we'll all know about it in a few months anyway. ;) )
well this just illustrates the fact that if a government puts its trust in a private company, they will get shafted when that private company's interests no longer agree with those of the government.
To Gates, it's just business, he does what he has to to try and maximise sales. it's only going to be the US government (who are only one of many customers after all) who gets pissed off if gates compromises US security, and i doubt they will have a case either if they try and prosecute him, i mean why did they put all that national security in the hands of a private interest in the first place?
nope, Peru has a much sounder plan in my opinion.