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Miscellaneous => Programming & Networking => Topic started by: Doogee on 23 November 2002, 14:17

Title: Programming Languages
Post by: Doogee on 23 November 2002, 14:17
Hello there,

Im wondering if anyone hast any suggestions on a program language is should learn.
I an very newbified to programming but know HTML quite well(who doesnt)

I am interested in making a program, not sure what of, with a GUI etc, no command line programs.
Suggestions? Links, anything is welcome.
Title: Programming Languages
Post by: Calum on 23 November 2002, 15:07
i'm trying to start off with C and perl (which isn't supposedly a programming languag), but some people reckon you should start straight off using an object based one like C++ or Java.
Title: Programming Languages
Post by: Doogee on 23 November 2002, 16:32
what are the gtk apps based on? or is gtk a programming language? Im thinking maybe a GUI Chat program most probably for yahoo/msn and maybe AIM.
Title: Programming Languages
Post by: Kintaro on 23 November 2002, 17:45
GTK+ is a libary basicly, you can write GTK stuff in C++, Python, Perl, and others to my knoledge.
Title: Programming Languages
Post by: TheQuirk on 23 November 2002, 21:06
(S)ML IS THE WAY OF THE FUTURE!!!
Title: Programming Languages
Post by: foobar on 23 November 2002, 23:57
Ok. Most people say, that if you want to go object-orientated (C, C++, whatever), you should follow this direction: (I'm trying to, but it's hard)

 - HTML (already there !)
 - Python (one step up, if you came from the (horrible) Basic side like me, you'll understand this too)
 - C, C++, whatever

Give it a try ...
Title: Programming Languages
Post by: Bazoukas on 24 November 2002, 03:48
I took a dive directly to C++. When I feel like a dumbass I do some HTML to build my ego and then I go back to C++.
Title: Programming Languages
Post by: Kintaro on 24 November 2002, 07:25
C++, PHP, HTML, JSL (Johns Scripting Language, I made it... its an integrated feature in my .NET thingy that powers the credits).

PHP r0x0rs j00 p4nts!
Title: Programming Languages
Post by: TheQuirk on 24 November 2002, 10:52
quote:
Originally posted by X11 / BOB: l33t h4x0r:
PHP r0x0rs j00 p4nts!


I need to trade-mark that.  (http://smile.gif)
Title: Programming Languages
Post by: DC on 24 November 2002, 17:55
<Irony> Start with Malborge. Learn programming the way it should be: Insanely Hard (w/ capitals)!
Or go for simplicity and learn Brainfuck! Why learn C if there's a program that can do exactly the same with only 8 instructions? </irony>

You can't learn GUI programming in one go, forget it. As other people stated, start with Python or Perl, then go to command-line C/C++ programming, then learn to use QT/GTK interfaces. You need to know how to program before you can build graphical programs, and command-line is much simpeler to learn.

X11: as good as PHP may be, it's just a scripting language. Now, so is python, but python rocks more  (http://smile.gif)  and both are worse than a compilable language such as C for most purposes.

You wrote a scripting language? Cool. What are the specs? Any interpreters available?
Title: Programming Languages
Post by: solo on 22 December 2002, 21:43
php is great first, second, im writing a scripting language and i hope to have a compilable version dont too  (http://smile.gif)
Unfortunately it's in a stage of intermission, ive been heavily changing it to use my shiny collection object hehe
Title: Programming Languages
Post by: WebmastaX on 23 December 2002, 23:43
If you want to start programming quick and dirty you should try learning Visual Basic or Delphi(much better), its fun and easy to make new apps. I have to say that Visual Basic its not an Object Oriented language since you cant take advantage of polymorphism and its made by MicroSucks.

I prefer C++ or Java since they are O-O, but they take a lot of time to master.

You mention you wanted to make a chat program, its not as easy as it sounds. Do you know anything about socket programming?

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Title: Programming Languages
Post by: Master of Reality on 24 December 2002, 01:57
quote:
Originally posted by bazoukas [The F*en Linux Militant]:
I took a dive directly to C++. When I feel like a dumbass I do some HTML to build my ego and then I go back to C++.
lol me too.
Title: Programming Languages
Post by: beltorak0 on 24 December 2002, 05:32
The only thing that kicks my ego down to shit in C is strings and pointers.  I get along a lot better with strings and pointers in assembly than I do in C.  It's so simple in assembly.  Not to mention the fact that all data is treated equally in assembly.  Even code is data (just don't forget to flip the code/data identifier bit in the seg reg).  I really need to brush up on assembly.  It's been so long...

So i do some bash/light perl scripting for an ego boost.  I'd really love to do TCL/TK -- especially since mod_dtcl is out for apache.

-t.
Title: Programming Languages
Post by: Kintaro on 24 December 2002, 14:46
quote:
Originally posted by DC:

X11: as good as PHP may be, it's just a scripting language. Now, so is python, but python rocks more   (http://smile.gif)   and both are worse than a compilable language such as C for most purposes.

Really shirlock holmes, nice to know...

DO YOU THINK IM SOME FORM OF COMPLETE-FUCKING IDIOT? WELL?

Thanks anyway
Title: Programming Languages
Post by: Calum on 24 December 2002, 15:28
the only question is... which form?
Title: Programming Languages
Post by: raptor on 29 January 2003, 07:57
quote:
I am interested in making a program, not sure what of  


an initial idea of what you would like to produce would be nice!