A few more questions - same problem

[Ice-9]

Quick update.
After trying everything I could find on the subject I did a reinstall of RH 8.
Problem is still the same, I checked /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 and everything seems fine.

I ran dhclient eth0 and it gives me this :
Listening on LPF/eth0/00:90:27:91:44:e4
Sending on   LPF/eth0/00:90:27:91:44:e4
Sending on   Socket/fallback
DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 8
DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 15
DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7
DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 12
DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 19
No DHCPOFFERS received.
No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.

Now I called my isp's helpdesk (jeez they were quick to tell me that they didn't give support for Linux) and asked a few questions, the guy told me that to the best of his knowledge it had to do with the "exchange protocols" between Win2K and RH ????
He could probably solve it easy but it was impossible by phone, I had to call in tech support from the store where I bought RH.

I don't know if it was the tone he used but I had the impression that he was bullshitting me to get rid of me asap.

Does this make any sense to anyone?
What are "exchange protocols" and what do they do, and more important can I alter something to resolve my connection problems?

Sorry to nag everyone with this again.

[voidmain]

Well it's definitely a DHCP issue. Some incompatibility between Win2k DHCP server (I assume that is what they are using from what your tech support guys said) and the DHCP client that comes with RedHat. You might try removing the "dhclient" package and installing the older one from RedHat 7.3 called "dhcpcd" found here:

ftp://ftp.rpmfind.net/linux/redhat/7.3/en/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS/dhcpcd-1.3.22pl1-7.i386.rpm

If you would like I can try it out on my laptop first (dual booting RH8 and RH73) to make sure there is nothing more that needs to be done. I see the "ifup" script still looks for either "dhcpcd" or "pump" or "dhclient" all of which are DHCP clients. That just might be the trick to get you going.

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P.S. I just tried it on my laptop without a hitch using these steps:

# wget ftp://ftp.rpmfind.net/linux/redhat/7.3/en/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS/dhcpcd-1.3.22pl1-7.i386.rpm
# rpm -e dhclient
# rpm -Uvh dhcpcd-1.3.22pl1-7.i386.rpm
# ifdown eth0
# ifup eth0

It obtained a new lease using 7.3's DHCP client with no problem.
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[ November 28, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]

[KernelPanic]

What is the hostname of your Linux box? What was your hostname when you used 7.3?

[Ice-9]

quote: Well it's definitely a DHCP issue. Some incompatibility between Win2k DHCP server (I assume that is what they are using from what your tech support guys said) and the DHCP client that comes with RedHat. You might try removing the "dhclient" package and installing the older one from RedHat 7.3 called "dhcpcd" found here:

I called them again and their DHCP servers run under Linux.
I hade a somewhat friendlier guy on the phone this time, he looked at my logs and told me that he could see an attempt from my side to obtain an IP address which was refused "because of something that looks like a firewall or something" (his exact words)

[voidmain]

Couple of things, first what does "# iptables -L" output look like (please post it if at all possible).

Second, I believe downgrading to dhcpd as I mentioned in my previous note may solve it if your firewall isn't blocking anything. I just found someone else with the same problem in bugzilla and they also said the dhcpcd does work for him:

http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=73369

[Ice-9]

Here's wat iptables -L gives me :
[root@localhost root]# iptables -L
Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT)
target     prot opt source    destination

Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT)
target     prot opt source    destination

Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT)
target     prot opt source    destination

This is with iptables service stopped.
Now, I'll try to install dhcpcd but is there anything I'd have to configure for it to load?

[voidmain]

Then you don't have a firewall issue.

No there is nothing you have to configure. Just remove dhclient and install dhcpcd and it will work. And I am slightly confident that it will solve your problem once and for all. If it does I might suggest you add to that bugzilla article stating you had the same problem. I will also do a RedHat tip on the subject in case it comes up again which it surely will since it's obvoisly a bug in dhclient under some situations.

[ November 28, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]

[Ice-9]

YES YES YES!!!!!!!! IT WORKED!!!!!!
void main, I just don't know how to thank you man!
If you ever decide to come to Belgium again, let me know, food and drinks are on me!

I'll add it to the bugzilla article right away and let my isp know also, just in case, you can never know if someone over there tries to give some sort of support for Red Hat it might come in handy.

[voidmain]

Thanks, I'll take a case of your favorite local Belgium brew.    I will work for European brew!

[DC]

quote:Originally posted by void main:
I'll take a case of your favorite local Belgium brew.

Err, it isn't THAT good.

Oh wait.

It is.

Do note that *european* beer is not by definition good. We have our share of crap beer. We do have a *lot* of good beers though.

[voidmain]

I've been all over Europe and have had probably 100 different beers. From what I recall, the worst European beer was far better than the best American beer. That's not counting American microbrews, there are some very good microbrews, one or two locally here are very much like good European beer.

Actually now that I think about it, I'm not fond of the Spanish beer (San Miguel is piss water).

[Master of Reality]

what about the good ol' Canadian beer... tahts some good shit.

[voidmain]

I would probably like Canadian beer as well. I seem to recall having Moosehead before. I have to make a point of getting up there sometime. Do you know of any good off-road vehicle parks up there? Maybe me and some buddies can go on a camping/biking trip up there some time.

Oh, one thing about the European beers. The stuff that is imported into the US is complete and utter garbage. It tastes *nothing* like what it does in Europe. For instance, Heineken in Europe is excellent. Heineken, Lowenbau, Bitburger, etc, in the US tastes and smells like a skunk pissed in the bottle and then they capped and refridgerated it. It is no resemblance of the same labeled beer in Europe. I don't know if the Canadian Imports would be similar. I sometimes wonder if Budweiser has people planted at the borders to do something to the beer as it comes across so as not to hurt business.

[ November 29, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]

[lazygamer]

Do you think it's possible, that if I were to taste some European beers, I might actually consider the notion of semi-liking it?

I honestly hate beer, even Canadian beer, so much that I would much rather drink straight rum in tiny shots, then drink beer. You get a harsh bitter taste, but it's a rush of feeling.... so unique. Then after you've drunken enough rumz0r, you get drunk.  :cool:  

Of course, if I had my way I would have the rum mixed with the cola. If I had my way even more, I would drink pussy alcohol that tastes good IE:Coolers. If i had my way even more, I would drink pussy alcohol that tastes good yet is very strong alcohol wise(does such a thing exsist).  

[KernelPanic]

quote:Originally posted by lazygamer:
Do you think it's possible, that if I were to taste some European beers, I might actually consider the notion of semi-liking it?

I honestly hate beer, even Canadian beer, so much that I would much rather drink straight rum in tiny shots, then drink beer. You get a harsh bitter taste, but it's a rush of feeling.... so unique. Then after you've drunken enough rumz0r, you get drunk.   :cool:  

Of course, if I had my way I would have the rum mixed with the cola. If I had my way even more, I would drink pussy alcohol that tastes good IE:Coolers. If i had my way even more, I would drink pussy alcohol that tastes good yet is very strong alcohol wise(does such a thing exsist).    

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