Author Topic: ...inspect this (Read 863 times)

sporkme · « **on:** 18 September 2002, 03:14 »

i haven't said anything about this specifically on this forum, but i had been speaking my piece on another board. there is more to say but... well oh well.

ya like ta hear it here it go...

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it does not matter what saddam has to say. he can agree to spork himself every hour on the hour, but as always, he will not follow through with any of it.

the tiring united nations and a liberal united states have managed to wield thier massive beaurocracy so tactfully as to make saddam feel that he has a license to do whatever he wants, as long as he placates us while he's at it. that is exactly what he has been doing since the last time we went over there and shook it up.

re: oil. our aggression toward this cruel and tyrannical despot has a lot to do with oil, but not in the way you think it does. what was the iraqi regime after in 1991? gold? crops? water? no, no no, no... oil my friends. their goal was to take control of the entirity of middle-eastern oil fields. thier plans were to raise the price of oil to the sky, and revel in our money as they plotted to destroy the civilized world.

re: weapons of mass destruction and murder. when saddam (cheerfully agreeing to every un security council edict) gave our inspectors the boot, it was because they had found too many such weapons and were likely nearing a large cache. that was four years ago. he was working his sandy little ass off to rain fire down on us infidels... and what? did he just stop? do you honestly believe that he would agree to our disarmament demands?

i can already hear you screaming: "but the united states and several other countries have such weapons! who are we to say who can and cant? blah, blah, blah..." we have never killed our own people. we have never used gas in a war. we respect the right of all people to live in freedom. they, frankly, are not to be trusted. in the iran-iraq war, both sides used gas weapons. 1.3 million casualties and 900,000 dead. that is only in war! the iraqi despotism has continued "testing" these bad boys on minorities under his own rule. we have no idea how many people have died!

consider this: a recently defected iraqi nuclear scientist told the united states government that saddam was within months of having nuclear weapons under his control, suggesting that possibly such a weapon could be concealed in a suitcase and... i don't know... sit there harmlessly? my white american ass! you know as well as i that these would be headed straight for u.s. or isreal or some civilized nation, to kill. the scientist pleaded with us to attack them, to save countless lives.

re: terrorism. the british government either has or is about to release thier findings on ties between terrorists (including al quida) and the maniac in question. without a doubt, saddam has funded, hosted, and suppoorted such groups --consider his hatred for the americans and israelis and you will see.

re: stability. many of these tyrants on the u.n. ~in~security council are afraid that democracy, freedom, and tolerance may break out like a white plague, leaving them powerless or even imprisoned by the poeple they oppressed.

re: american losses. i have heard the argument made that "unacceptable american or allied losses may occur in an invasion of iraq." i would say that such losses have already been incurred! even before september eleventh! we will be preventing more! furthermore, one starving, uneducated kurd watching his children tortured, his wife raped, and then being executed by having gasoline poured down his throat and being fed a match is already way too far for me to tolerate! this happens under saddam! do you support this? do you think we should INSPECT this? no! we have to stop this! soldiers in the united states army are volunteers. people in planes are not. if we could have realized this, somolia would not be a starving hell hole.

re: iraqui losses. first, reread the prior paragraph. then consider: in prisons in the u.s., signs on the wall say "sit down when shots are fired." that is our military policy. they will not fight back much, and for those who do, it will be like mowing a lawn straight to baghdad.

re: making it worse. some would argue that by attacking iraq, we are making more angry young militant islamists. this is absolutely right. here's the thing: its already terrible! they hate anyone that is not them! this can remind us of a special group of hateful and domineering shitheads from days of yon..........

such as hitler! bolsheviks! nazis! the klan! can you imagine if someone had pre-empted the fledgling nazi regime? so many dead from inaction. not this time pal. saddam, mugabi, and friends, the world can no longer tolerate you. we have to save humanity from itself, because we know how.

i could go on for hours and hours. talk gets us little.

in conclusion, defending saddam is as idiotic as it is wrong and dangerous. it is for the safety of americans and freedom living people the world over that we go in there and many other places as well, and set things right.

think, then post.

Master of Reality · « **Reply #1 on:** 18 September 2002, 03:22 »

quote:
Originally posted by sporkme / bob:
think, then post.

think? My brain hurts.

lazygamer · « **Reply #2 on:** 18 September 2002, 08:00 »

quote:
re: american losses. i have heard the argument made that "unacceptable american or allied losses may occur in an invasion of iraq." i would say that such losses have already been incurred! even before september eleventh! we will be preventing more! furthermore, one starving, uneducated kurd watching his children tortured, his wife raped, and then being executed by having gasoline poured down his throat and being fed a match is already way too far for me to tolerate! this happens under saddam! do you support this? do you think we should INSPECT this? no! we have to stop this! soldiers in the united states army are volunteers. people in planes are not. if we could have realized this, somolia would not be a starving hell hole.

Yes, it makes sense to attack Iraq. Just remember that no matter how much good the US does through some actions like toppling the Taliban or preventing nuclear BS from Iraq, they are still not the good guys. They have much corruption and evil at home, it's just not so blunt and widespread like in Iraq, it's also much harder to "hear about" because it's swept under the table so good.

As for military losses, I feel this is a joke. The US military is a monster, Iraq is a 3rd world country(not to diss the US, but it seems strange that they never engage 1st world countries) who has been severely crippled by the US through military action and economic sanctions. The US didn't lose much in the gulf war. Im for an invasion, but they should finish the fucking job this time, totally kill off their shitty government and get a democracy in.

voidmain · « **Reply #3 on:** 18 September 2002, 21:09 »

quote:
Originally posted by lazygamer:
Yes, it makes sense to attack Iraq. Just remember that no matter how much good the US does through some actions like toppling the Taliban or preventing nuclear BS from Iraq, they are still not the good guys.

I suppose that would depend on your point of view. By my point of view we (the US) are the good guys.

quote:
They have much corruption and evil at home, it's just not so blunt and widespread like in Iraq, it's also much harder to "hear about" because it's swept under the table so good.

Oh, thanks for straightening this out for me...

quote:
As for military losses, I feel this is a joke. The US military is a monster, Iraq is a 3rd world country(not to diss the US, but it seems strange that they never engage 1st world countries) who has been severely crippled by the US through military action and economic sanctions.

Well, having first hand experience in the Gulf war I actually personally knew a couple of people who lost their lives there. It is true that the casualties were minimal (thank God, or I might not be here to pester you on these forums). Regarding the statement about the US not engaging 1st world countries. Just why do you think that is? It's not because we are scared of doing it, it's because 1st world countries are civilized and play by the rules. And I suppose it's the fault of the US that Iraq invaded Kuwait in the first place? Keep it coming....

quote:

The US didn't lose much in the gulf war. Im for an invasion, but they should finish the fucking job this time, totally kill off their shitty government and get a democracy in.

Maybe you should volunteer your ass to fucking come along this time so the terrorists will chase your ass around after "finishing the fucking job".

sporkme · « **Reply #4 on:** 18 September 2002, 10:15 »

::yes::

edit:

criticizing the united states does not make these rogue governments look any better, nor does it make them want to let your family live.

i am not going to rant (i just deleted a whole lot of text).

without your support, the united states may not be so willing to help your neighbors.

[ September 18, 2002: Message edited by: sporkme / bob ]

voidmain · « **Reply #5 on:** 18 September 2002, 10:30 »

Well, I don't want to rant either because I have always thought of Canada and most of Europe as our close friends, but seeing comments like this make me wonder...

I can tell you one thing, if Iraq would have invaded Canada instead of Kuwait I would have been the first one to come and help them out. And if a terrorist goes in and blows some shit up in Canada today I will be the first one to come to their aid if they want it.

I just think there are a lot of misinformation floating around. Then of course there are the opinions. Opinions are like ass holes... everybody has one, and they all stink (including mine).

And I'm especially pissed at you sporkme for starting this thread. I *hate* political discussion on this site, best left to political discussion sites. I was going to try like hell not to post in this thread but I was again drawn in...

[ September 18, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]

sporkme · « **Reply #6 on:** 18 September 2002, 10:33 »

oh, and re: finishing the job...

our allies wanted to stop, not the united states. colin powell urged the president to push to baghdad and he agreed, but the loosely united nations stopped us, as the job as they saw it was done: get the iraqi army back into iraq and contain them.

imagine if we had been ALLOWED to finish this particular job a decade ago... so many lives saved. thanks un! really! cnn was getting boring! i want my buddy to face vx gas!

...liberals have all the answers but none of the solutions. read before you accuse us of wimping out. Rwanda... that was a wimp-out.

[ September 18, 2002: Message edited by: sporkme / bob ]

sporkme · « **Reply #7 on:** 18 September 2002, 10:35 »

heheh someone needs to invade florida... they can have it.

sorry for over-posting

[ September 18, 2002: Message edited by: sporkme / bob ]

Calum · « **Reply #8 on:** 18 September 2002, 13:11 »

iraq says 'let's not have a war, the inspectors can come in after all'.

the us says 'no! you are double dealing muslim paki bastards! let's have a war since we know we can win'.

Now i am not prejudiced towards one side or the other, but i do not think a war is ever a good idea under any circumstances. so what do you imagine my opinion is, bearing that in mind?

i will say though, that i have been suspicious about us military tactics since i heard that roosevelt knew about pearl harbour in advance. He knew and i know that the us would not have joined the 2nd world war without being directly attacked itself, since it was more lucrative to sell arms to both sides and stay at home.

i'm not saying the US is cowardly or anything negative like that, i am just saying that whatever altruism it reels off, the US is always motivated by self interest. nothing wrong with that by itself, but it's this 'attack on democracy' 'war on terrorism' palaver that irks me. why not just be honest and call a spade a spade?
---edit below---

quote:
I can tell you one thing, if Iraq would have invaded Canada instead of Kuwait I would have been the first one to come and help them out. And if a terrorist goes in and blows some shit up in Canada today I will be the first one to come to their aid if they want it.

and to further complicate matters, here is a complete example of somebody who is motivated by altruism and not just self interest. The person quoted here does not fit into the general application of what i just said a few inches above. but wait! this is no freedom fighter, nor some hippy, this was posted by void main a couple of posts back, himself a veteran and a patriot. (i hope i don't irritate you by saying this about you void main, my intention is not to annoy you into making a response, so my apologies if i insult)

Just goes to show that a government, a country and her people, while they may not be aware of it, can be completely different from each other.

Personally i think the main irritation that some of the world has about america is that the americans see it from their point of view, and whoever's on the receiving end sees it from their own point of view. not much we can really do about that except for a huge effort of putting ourselves in each others' shoes and taking responsibility for our own actions.

[ September 18, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]

sporkme · « **Reply #9 on:** 19 September 2002, 02:46 »

yes, the rhetoric pisses me off to...

but that is what it takes to make stupid people agree with you; labeling someone a "historical terrorist" or a "defender of freedom" or saying something about "kitchen table issues" raises uneducated eyebrows... hehehe

heres the thing though...

the iraqi government is being sneaky, just like they always have. inspectors will not be able to stop the brutal massacre of innocent people. inspectors will not be able to stop the proliferation of hate. inspectors will simply placate people that think "to hell with the kurds, as long as i feel safe" --and at the same time they will truly accomplish about as little as before.

the only solution is to remove them from power. inspected or no, these are the same folks.

so...

WAR!! WAR!! KILL!! DESTORY!!

errrrr wait a sec... what i meant to say was:

SAVE THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ!! HOLD SADDAM ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE MURDERS ("crimes against humanity" -worthless rhetoric) HE HAS COMMITTED!!

Pantso · « **Reply #10 on:** 19 September 2002, 03:04 »

quote:
Originally posted by sporkme / bob:
yes, the rhetoric pisses me off to...

but that is what it takes to make stupid people agree with you; labeling someone a "historical terrorist" or a "defender of freedom" or saying something about "kitchen table issues" raises uneducated eyebrows... hehehe

heres the thing though...

the iraqi government is being sneaky, just like they always have. inspectors will not be able to stop the brutal massacre of innocent people. inspectors will not be able to stop the proliferation of hate. inspectors will simply placate people that think "to hell with the kurds, as long as i feel safe" --and at the same time they will truly accomplish about as little as before.

the only solution is to remove them from power. inspected or no, these are the same folks.

so...

WAR!! WAR!! KILL!! DESTORY!!

errrrr wait a sec... what i meant to say was:

SAVE THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ!! HOLD SADDAM ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE MURDERS ("crimes against humanity" -worthless rhetoric) HE HAS COMMITTED!!

Yeah, yeah. Blah, blah, blah... Come on! "Sapere aude" as Kant once wrote.

Terrorism... the 21st century US alibi

Oh, and I hate political discussion in these forums as well. As I have already said and am saying for the millionth time, I'm here for another reason. No more political debates from me in the forums. Just lighten up

[ September 18, 2002: Message edited by: Pantso ]

[ September 18, 2002: Message edited by: Pantso ]

sporkme · « **Reply #11 on:** 20 September 2002, 03:17 »

"the lounge"

i know my post is disagreeable, but certainly it is valid, and this site has no rules against politics.

if you don't like it, please feel free to not read it.

« previous next » Print Pages: [1] Go Down Author Topic: ...inspect this (Read 863 times) sporkme Member Posts: 501 Kudos: 149 ...inspect this « on: 18 September 2002, 03:14 » i haven't said anything about this specifically on this forum, but i had been speaking my piece on another board. there is more to say but... well oh well. ya like ta hear it here it go... ===== it does not matter what saddam has to say. he can agree to spork himself every hour on the hour, but as always, he will not follow through with any of it. the tiring united nations and a liberal united states have managed to wield thier massive beaurocracy so tactfully as to make saddam feel that he has a license to do whatever he wants, as long as he placates us while he's at it. that is exactly what he has been doing since the last time we went over there and shook it up. re: oil. our aggression toward this cruel and tyrannical despot has a lot to do with oil, but not in the way you think it does. what was the iraqi regime after in 1991? gold? crops? water? no, no no, no... oil my friends. their goal was to take control of the entirity of middle-eastern oil fields. thier plans were to raise the price of oil to the sky, and revel in our money as they plotted to destroy the civilized world. re: weapons of mass destruction and murder. when saddam (cheerfully agreeing to every un security council edict) gave our inspectors the boot, it was because they had found too many such weapons and were likely nearing a large cache. that was four years ago. he was working his sandy little ass off to rain fire down on us infidels... and what? did he just stop? do you honestly believe that he would agree to our disarmament demands? i can already hear you screaming: "but the united states and several other countries have such weapons! who are we to say who can and cant? blah, blah, blah..." we have never killed our own people. we have never used gas in a war. we respect the right of all people to live in freedom. they, frankly, are not to be trusted. in the iran-iraq war, both sides used gas weapons. 1.3 million casualties and 900,000 dead. that is only in war! the iraqi despotism has continued "testing" these bad boys on minorities under his own rule. we have no idea how many people have died! consider this: a recently defected iraqi nuclear scientist told the united states government that saddam was within months of having nuclear weapons under his control, suggesting that possibly such a weapon could be concealed in a suitcase and... i don't know... sit there harmlessly? my white american ass! you know as well as i that these would be headed straight for u.s. or isreal or some civilized nation, to kill. the scientist pleaded with us to attack them, to save countless lives. re: terrorism. the british government either has or is about to release thier findings on ties between terrorists (including al quida) and the maniac in question. without a doubt, saddam has funded, hosted, and suppoorted such groups --consider his hatred for the americans and israelis and you will see. re: stability. many of these tyrants on the u.n. ~in~security council are afraid that democracy, freedom, and tolerance may break out like a white plague, leaving them powerless or even imprisoned by the poeple they oppressed. re: american losses. i have heard the argument made that "unacceptable american or allied losses may occur in an invasion of iraq." i would say that such losses have already been incurred! even before september eleventh! we will be preventing more! furthermore, one starving, uneducated kurd watching his children tortured, his wife raped, and then being executed by having gasoline poured down his throat and being fed a match is already way too far for me to tolerate! this happens under saddam! do you support this? do you think we should INSPECT this? no! we have to stop this! soldiers in the united states army are volunteers. people in planes are not. if we could have realized this, somolia would not be a starving hell hole. re: iraqui losses. first, reread the prior paragraph. then consider: in prisons in the u.s., signs on the wall say "sit down when shots are fired." that is our military policy. they will not fight back much, and for those who do, it will be like mowing a lawn straight to baghdad. re: making it worse. some would argue that by attacking iraq, we are making more angry young militant islamists. this is absolutely right. here's the thing: its already terrible! they hate anyone that is not them! this can remind us of a special group of hateful and domineering shitheads from days of yon.......... such as hitler! bolsheviks! nazis! the klan! can you imagine if someone had pre-empted the fledgling nazi regime? so many dead from inaction. not this time pal. saddam, mugabi, and friends, the world can no longer tolerate you. we have to save humanity from itself, because we know how. i could go on for hours and hours. talk gets us little. in conclusion, defending saddam is as idiotic as it is wrong and dangerous. it is for the safety of americans and freedom living people the world over that we go in there and many other places as well, and set things right. think, then post. Logged just that you do not take an interest in politics does not mean that politics will not take an interest in you. -pericles 430 b.c. Master of Reality VIP Posts: 4,249 Kudos: 177 ...inspect this « Reply #1 on: 18 September 2002, 03:22 » quote: Originally posted by sporkme / bob: think, then post. think? My brain hurts. Logged Disorder \| Rating Paranoid: Moderate Schizoid: Moderate Linux User #283518 'It takes more than a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head to stop Bob' lazygamer Member Posts: 1,146 Kudos: 0 ...inspect this « Reply #2 on: 18 September 2002, 08:00 » quote: re: american losses. i have heard the argument made that "unacceptable american or allied losses may occur in an invasion of iraq." i would say that such losses have already been incurred! even before september eleventh! we will be preventing more! furthermore, one starving, uneducated kurd watching his children tortured, his wife raped, and then being executed by having gasoline poured down his throat and being fed a match is already way too far for me to tolerate! this happens under saddam! do you support this? do you think we should INSPECT this? no! we have to stop this! soldiers in the united states army are volunteers. people in planes are not. if we could have realized this, somolia would not be a starving hell hole. Yes, it makes sense to attack Iraq. Just remember that no matter how much good the US does through some actions like toppling the Taliban or preventing nuclear BS from Iraq, they are still not the good guys. They have much corruption and evil at home, it's just not so blunt and widespread like in Iraq, it's also much harder to "hear about" because it's swept under the table so good. As for military losses, I feel this is a joke. The US military is a monster, Iraq is a 3rd world country(not to diss the US, but it seems strange that they never engage 1st world countries) who has been severely crippled by the US through military action and economic sanctions. The US didn't lose much in the gulf war. Im for an invasion, but they should finish the fucking job this time, totally kill off their shitty government and get a democracy in. Logged For every hot Lesbian you see in a porno video, there is a fat, butch-like, or just downright ugly lesbian beeyotch marching in a gay pride parade, or bitching about same sex marriages. -Lazygamer on homosexuality voidmain VIP Posts: 5,605 Kudos: 184 ...inspect this « Reply #3 on: 18 September 2002, 21:09 » quote: Originally posted by lazygamer: Yes, it makes sense to attack Iraq. Just remember that no matter how much good the US does through some actions like toppling the Taliban or preventing nuclear BS from Iraq, they are still not the good guys. I suppose that would depend on your point of view. By my point of view we (the US) are the good guys. quote: They have much corruption and evil at home, it's just not so blunt and widespread like in Iraq, it's also much harder to "hear about" because it's swept under the table so good. Oh, thanks for straightening this out for me... quote: As for military losses, I feel this is a joke. The US military is a monster, Iraq is a 3rd world country(not to diss the US, but it seems strange that they never engage 1st world countries) who has been severely crippled by the US through military action and economic sanctions. Well, having first hand experience in the Gulf war I actually personally knew a couple of people who lost their lives there. It is true that the casualties were minimal (thank God, or I might not be here to pester you on these forums). Regarding the statement about the US not engaging 1st world countries. Just why do you think that is? It's not because we are scared of doing it, it's because 1st world countries are civilized and play by the rules. And I suppose it's the fault of the US that Iraq invaded Kuwait in the first place? Keep it coming.... quote: The US didn't lose much in the gulf war. Im for an invasion, but they should finish the fucking job this time, totally kill off their shitty government and get a democracy in. Maybe you should volunteer your ass to fucking come along this time so the terrorists will chase your ass around after "finishing the fucking job". Logged Someone please remove this account. Thanks... sporkme Member Posts: 501 Kudos: 149 ...inspect this « Reply #4 on: 18 September 2002, 10:15 » ::yes:: edit: criticizing the united states does not make these rogue governments look any better, nor does it make them want to let your family live. i am not going to rant (i just deleted a whole lot of text). without your support, the united states may not be so willing to help your neighbors. [ September 18, 2002: Message edited by: sporkme / bob ] Logged just that you do not take an interest in politics does not mean that politics will not take an interest in you. -pericles 430 b.c. voidmain VIP Posts: 5,605 Kudos: 184 ...inspect this « Reply #5 on: 18 September 2002, 10:30 » Well, I don't want to rant either because I have always thought of Canada and most of Europe as our close friends, but seeing comments like this make me wonder... I can tell you one thing, if Iraq would have invaded Canada instead of Kuwait I would have been the first one to come and help them out. And if a terrorist goes in and blows some shit up in Canada today I will be the first one to come to their aid if they want it. I just think there are a lot of misinformation floating around. Then of course there are the opinions. Opinions are like ass holes... everybody has one, and they all stink (including mine). And I'm especially pissed at you sporkme for starting this thread. I hate political discussion on this site, best left to political discussion sites. I was going to try like hell not to post in this thread but I was again drawn in... [ September 18, 2002: Message edited by: void main ] Logged Someone please remove this account. Thanks... sporkme Member Posts: 501 Kudos: 149 ...inspect this « Reply #6 on: 18 September 2002, 10:33 » oh, and re: finishing the job... our allies wanted to stop, not the united states. colin powell urged the president to push to baghdad and he agreed, but the loosely united nations stopped us, as the job as they saw it was done: get the iraqi army back into iraq and contain them. imagine if we had been ALLOWED to finish this particular job a decade ago... so many lives saved. thanks un! really! cnn was getting boring! i want my buddy to face vx gas! ...liberals have all the answers but none of the solutions. read before you accuse us of wimping out. Rwanda... that was a wimp-out. [ September 18, 2002: Message edited by: sporkme / bob ] Logged just that you do not take an interest in politics does not mean that politics will not take an interest in you. -pericles 430 b.c. sporkme Member Posts: 501 Kudos: 149 ...inspect this « Reply #7 on: 18 September 2002, 10:35 » heheh someone needs to invade florida... they can have it. sorry for over-posting [ September 18, 2002: Message edited by: sporkme / bob ] Logged just that you do not take an interest in politics does not mean that politics will not take an interest in you. -pericles 430 b.c. Calum Global Moderator Posts: 7,812 Kudos: 1000 ...inspect this « Reply #8 on: 18 September 2002, 13:11 » iraq says 'let's not have a war, the inspectors can come in after all'. the us says 'no! you are double dealing muslim paki bastards! let's have a war since we know we can win'. Now i am not prejudiced towards one side or the other, but i do not think a war is ever a good idea under any circumstances. so what do you imagine my opinion is, bearing that in mind? i will say though, that i have been suspicious about us military tactics since i heard that roosevelt knew about pearl harbour in advance. He knew and i know that the us would not have joined the 2nd world war without being directly attacked itself, since it was more lucrative to sell arms to both sides and stay at home. i'm not saying the US is cowardly or anything negative like that, i am just saying that whatever altruism it reels off, the US is always motivated by self interest. nothing wrong with that by itself, but it's this 'attack on democracy' 'war on terrorism' palaver that irks me. why not just be honest and call a spade a spade? ---edit below--- quote: I can tell you one thing, if Iraq would have invaded Canada instead of Kuwait I would have been the first one to come and help them out. And if a terrorist goes in and blows some shit up in Canada today I will be the first one to come to their aid if they want it. and to further complicate matters, here is a complete example of somebody who is motivated by altruism and not just self interest. The person quoted here does not fit into the general application of what i just said a few inches above. but wait! this is no freedom fighter, nor some hippy, this was posted by void main a couple of posts back, himself a veteran and a patriot. (i hope i don't irritate you by saying this about you void main, my intention is not to annoy you into making a response, so my apologies if i insult) Just goes to show that a government, a country and her people, while they may not be aware of it, can be completely different from each other. Personally i think the main irritation that some of the world has about america is that the americans see it from their point of view, and whoever's on the receiving end sees it from their own point of view. not much we can really do about that except for a huge effort of putting ourselves in each others' shoes and taking responsibility for our own actions. [ September 18, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ] Logged visit these websites and make yourself happy forever: It's my music! \| My music on MySpace \| Integrational Polytheism sporkme Member Posts: 501 Kudos: 149 ...inspect this « Reply #9 on: 19 September 2002, 02:46 » yes, the rhetoric pisses me off to... but that is what it takes to make stupid people agree with you; labeling someone a "historical terrorist" or a "defender of freedom" or saying something about "kitchen table issues" raises uneducated eyebrows... hehehe heres the thing though... the iraqi government is being sneaky, just like they always have. inspectors will not be able to stop the brutal massacre of innocent people. inspectors will not be able to stop the proliferation of hate. inspectors will simply placate people that think "to hell with the kurds, as long as i feel safe" --and at the same time they will truly accomplish about as little as before. the only solution is to remove them from power. inspected or no, these are the same folks. so... WAR!! WAR!! KILL!! DESTORY!! errrrr wait a sec... what i meant to say was: SAVE THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ!! HOLD SADDAM ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE MURDERS ("crimes against humanity" -worthless rhetoric) HE HAS COMMITTED!! Logged just that you do not take an interest in politics does not mean that politics will not take an interest in you. -pericles 430 b.c. Pantso Member Posts: 1,249 Kudos: 55 ...inspect this « Reply #10 on: 19 September 2002, 03:04 » quote: Originally posted by sporkme / bob: yes, the rhetoric pisses me off to... but that is what it takes to make stupid people agree with you; labeling someone a "historical terrorist" or a "defender of freedom" or saying something about "kitchen table issues" raises uneducated eyebrows... hehehe heres the thing though... the iraqi government is being sneaky, just like they always have. inspectors will not be able to stop the brutal massacre of innocent people. inspectors will not be able to stop the proliferation of hate. inspectors will simply placate people that think "to hell with the kurds, as long as i feel safe" --and at the same time they will truly accomplish about as little as before. the only solution is to remove them from power. inspected or no, these are the same folks. so... WAR!! WAR!! KILL!! DESTORY!! errrrr wait a sec... what i meant to say was: SAVE THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ!! HOLD SADDAM ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE MURDERS ("crimes against humanity" -worthless rhetoric) HE HAS COMMITTED!! Yeah, yeah. Blah, blah, blah... Come on! "Sapere aude" as Kant once wrote. Terrorism... the 21st century US alibi Oh, and I hate political discussion in these forums as well. As I have already said and am saying for the millionth time, I'm here for another reason. No more political debates from me in the forums. Just lighten up [ September 18, 2002: Message edited by: Pantso ] [ September 18, 2002: Message edited by: Pantso ] Logged Support-FreeSoftware.org sporkme Member Posts: 501 Kudos: 149 ...inspect this « Reply #11 on: 20 September 2002, 03:17 » "the lounge" i know my post is disagreeable, but certainly it is valid, and this site has no rules against politics. if you don't like it, please feel free to not read it. Logged just that you do not take an interest in politics does not mean that politics will not take an interest in you. -pericles 430 b.c. 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