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Macman · « **on:** 28 March 2002, 13:50 »

WINDOWS XP MAY HAVE TO BE PULLED BACK

(From Infotech)WASHINGTON: Microsoft contends that it will be forced to pull Windows XP off the market and be unable to develop new systems if anti-trust sanctions sought by state prosecutors are granted. In court documents released on Monday, Microsoft denied that the proposal was part of a "doomsday defence," but said the remedy sought by the states are a "calculated effort by Microsoft's competitors to inflict maximum commercial injury on the company, without regard to the well-being of the industry or consumers." The states that rejected last year's anti-trust settlement accepted by the US Justice Department are to begin their case next week in US District Court here. They are seeking tougher penalties, including a stripped-down version of Windows, which would eliminate Microsoft's advantage of incorporating various items of software, such as Internet browsers and media players, in the operating system. Microsoft said this remedy "would result in grievous harm not only to Microsoft, but also to the entire PC industry and to the tens of millions of consumers around the world that use Microsoft products." The company said the proposal "not only would prevent Microsoft from developing and releasing new versions of Windows, thus causing innovation in the leading PC platform to come to a halt, but would also cause the withdrawal from the market of Windows XP and Windows 2000". The states, in filing with the court, said they plan to present witnesses who will testify that Microsoft has been using its market power to force computer makers to favour its products over those of rivals. Among the witnesses will be Anthony Fama of Gateway, who will argue that a tougher penalty is needed "to prevent Microsoft from continuing to favour personal computer manufacturers who support Microsoft's products, to the disadvantage of personal computer manufacturers who do not". Microsoft said it "expects" to call its founder and chairman Bill Gates to the witness stand, although it may modify its witness list depending on the circumstances. If he appears, it would be Gates' first testimony in the case since a videotaped deposition played in court in 1998 that infuriated the judge because of his evasive answers.

As Nelson from the Simpsons would say, "HA HA!"

Calum · « **Reply #1 on:** 28 March 2002, 14:00 »

quote:
The company said the proposal "not only would prevent Microsoft from developing and releasing new versions of Windows, thus causing innovation in the leading PC platform to come to a halt,

this is very good news indeed!
but i don't think they will really stop shipping windows. M$ are just bluffing to try and maneuvre people exactly where they want them, it would be nice though if they did stop making windows.
The funny thing about this post is that Microsoft have the nerve to claim that if new versions of windows stop being released, PC innovation will come to a halt!
<gobsmacked>
I reckon that if windows stops being sold, that will be the single most important boost to PC innovation since the term was coined in the late seventies/early eighties! i reckon it would be great. think of all the public spending that would immediately go towards Apple, Sun and other UNIX developers and distributers!

Onward the revolution i say....

Macman · « **Reply #2 on:** 29 March 2002, 04:06 »

right on

gnomez · « **Reply #3 on:** 29 March 2002, 04:55 »

They should take Windows Xp off the shelves simply due to the fact that it causes severe brain hemorrhages. But their reasons are good, too.

"end of PC innovation" - indeed! horseshit, I say! I hope no one believes their whiny lies.

voidmain · « **Reply #4 on:** 29 March 2002, 07:55 »

Gnome, I can't help but notice your complete change of heart from the first message you posted here. All I can say is I am very proud of you!

jtpenrod · « **Reply #5 on:** 29 March 2002, 08:13 »

It seems that they never learn. We've heard this before. Isn't that basically what Ballmer said when he threw that temper tantrum in court a couple of weeks ago? At that time, it seemed to be nothing more than an empty threat. Now, I'm not so sure. Macro$uck seems to have grown so arrogant lately that they may actually believe their own bullshit. They may really believe that pulling Win XP from the market will cause the sum total of computing to come to a screeching halt. Fine by me. This would give *NIX such a tremendous boost, that M$ would never recover once it began to dawn on them that the universe doesn't revolve around Redmond, and never did.

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psyjax · « **Reply #6 on:** 29 March 2002, 08:43 »

HAHAHAH! While looking for stuff about M$'s crusade against open source and the GPL, look at this bucket 'o bull dropings I found on their very own site! If this doesn't smell like FUD what does. Look at the totaly cheep conspicuous use of BOLD and large text:

http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/embedded/xp/evaluation/compare/notlinux.asp

This is why I say: DOWN WITH XP AND M$!!!!

WOW! I started finding more M$ Linux stuff besides this embeded systems crap:

http://www.microsoft.com/sbserver/evaluation/compare/linux.asp

In each one they site the GPL as a fault in Linux.

Very interesting.

[ March 28, 2002: Message edited by: psyjax ]

Centurian · « **Reply #7 on:** 29 March 2002, 21:30 »

Hey,

quote:
Originally posted by psyjax:
HAHAHAH! While looking for stuff about M$'s crusade against open source and the GPL, look at this bucket 'o bull dropings I found on their very own site! If this doesn't smell like FUD what does. Look at the totaly cheep conspicuous use of BOLD and large text:

http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/embedded/xp/evaluation/compare/notlinux.asp

This is why I say: DOWN WITH XP AND M$!!!!

WOW! I started finding more M$ Linux stuff besides this embeded systems crap:

http://www.microsoft.com/sbserver/evaluation/compare/linux.asp

In each one they site the GPL as a fault in Linux.

Very interesting.

[ March 28, 2002: Message edited by: psyjax ]

Well after reading that I am going to get up at 5am and go wait outside walmart until it opens so I can run in a buy a bunch of copies of XP.

NOT!!!

HEHEH
Seriously this sounds like just more propaganda.
Do anything, say anything to stay on top. Apparently that is the way it works.

jtpenrod · « **Reply #8 on:** 29 March 2002, 10:55 »

quote:
HAHAHAH! While looking for stuff about M$'s crusade against open source and the GPL, look at this bucket 'o bull dropings I found on their very own site! If this doesn't smell like FUD what does. Look at the totaly cheep conspicuous use of BOLD and large text:

I'll grant Macro$uck one point: embedded systems isn't one of Linux's stronger points. However, they are so obsessed with Linux that they could be setting themselves up for a real fall. The major strength of the QNX op-sys is embedded systems. QNX could easily fly in right under M$'s radar and blind-side them.

Wouldn't that be poetic justice?

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Kintaro · « **Reply #9 on:** 31 March 2002, 20:45 »

BIGGEST LOAD OF FUCKING SHIT I'VE EVER SEEN
For example:
* The MP3 basic decoder costs about $0.50 per-unit. If an OEM wants the enhanced functionality of MP3 Pro, it will pay an additional $2.50 per-unit royalty. For MP3 Pro encode and decode, costs can run an incremental $7.50 per-unit.

WHat fucking drug was the writer taking.

I didnt pay anything XMMS or MPEG123

I think someones been into the crack

Bateluer · « **Reply #10 on:** 1 April 2002, 07:22 »

The MP3 ENcoders are not supposed to be free. Fraunhofer<sp> owns the patents and charges royalties. The players are free though.

Ogg Vorbis is a dang fine audio codec, IMO, and I looking forward to Ogg Tarkin.

I seriously doubt WinXP will be pulled off the shelves. Its not worth the headache to government, MS, or the customers.

silverking · « **Reply #11 on:** 1 April 2002, 08:00 »

It is my understanding that when you used the XP Mediaplayer to watch a DVD disc, XP sends a report back to Microsoft to tell it which movie or movies you may have watched.

Is this just an XP abomination or have other versions monitored our viewing habits?

Master of Reality · « **Reply #12 on:** 1 April 2002, 08:39 »

quote:
Originally posted by silverking:
It is my understanding that when you used the XP Mediaplayer to watch a DVD disc, XP sends a report back to Microsoft to tell it which movie or movies you may have watched.

Is this just an XP abomination or have other versions monitored our viewing habits?

no, its true, its true, windows sends back what you watched and what music you play.

Ctrl Alt Del 123 · « **Reply #13 on:** 1 April 2002, 22:05 »

No it's NOT true that WMP sends info back to MS about what you watch/play. I have ZA on and WMP NEVER connects to the internet unless I watch a streaming video.

Master of Reality · « **Reply #14 on:** 1 April 2002, 22:38 »

either you have ZA set up wrong or you let WMP connect or you have it permanently blocked by ZA or you are lying.

I just fucking (6 hrs ago) listened to "Home for a Rest" by Great big Sea after dling it from WinMX and after i was finished listening ZA poppedup and said

quote:
Windows media player (WMPLAYER.EXE) wants to access DNS 192.***.***.*** (its my network DHCP server, which uses DNS forwarding.) Do you wish to grant this program access?

then in the log it shows right now:

quote:
PE,2002/03/31,18:08:29 -5:00 GMT,WMPLAYER.EXE,192.168.0.1:80,N/A

:cool:

check out this:
http://www.computerbytesman.com/privacy/wmp8dvd.htm

[ April 01, 2002: Message edited by: Druaga ]

[ April 01, 2002: Message edited by: Master of Reality ]

« previous next » Print Pages: [1] 2 3 Go Down Author Topic: Down with XP! (Read 904 times) Macman Member Posts: 52 Kudos: 0 Down with XP! « on: 28 March 2002, 13:50 » WINDOWS XP MAY HAVE TO BE PULLED BACK (From Infotech)WASHINGTON: Microsoft contends that it will be forced to pull Windows XP off the market and be unable to develop new systems if anti-trust sanctions sought by state prosecutors are granted. In court documents released on Monday, Microsoft denied that the proposal was part of a "doomsday defence," but said the remedy sought by the states are a "calculated effort by Microsoft's competitors to inflict maximum commercial injury on the company, without regard to the well-being of the industry or consumers." The states that rejected last year's anti-trust settlement accepted by the US Justice Department are to begin their case next week in US District Court here. They are seeking tougher penalties, including a stripped-down version of Windows, which would eliminate Microsoft's advantage of incorporating various items of software, such as Internet browsers and media players, in the operating system. Microsoft said this remedy "would result in grievous harm not only to Microsoft, but also to the entire PC industry and to the tens of millions of consumers around the world that use Microsoft products." The company said the proposal "not only would prevent Microsoft from developing and releasing new versions of Windows, thus causing innovation in the leading PC platform to come to a halt, but would also cause the withdrawal from the market of Windows XP and Windows 2000". The states, in filing with the court, said they plan to present witnesses who will testify that Microsoft has been using its market power to force computer makers to favour its products over those of rivals. Among the witnesses will be Anthony Fama of Gateway, who will argue that a tougher penalty is needed "to prevent Microsoft from continuing to favour personal computer manufacturers who support Microsoft's products, to the disadvantage of personal computer manufacturers who do not". Microsoft said it "expects" to call its founder and chairman Bill Gates to the witness stand, although it may modify its witness list depending on the circumstances. If he appears, it would be Gates' first testimony in the case since a videotaped deposition played in court in 1998 that infuriated the judge because of his evasive answers. As Nelson from the Simpsons would say, "HA HA!" Logged "The Macintosh may only have 10% of the market, but it is clearly the top 10%." Calum Global Moderator Posts: 7,812 Kudos: 1000 Down with XP! « Reply #1 on: 28 March 2002, 14:00 » quote: The company said the proposal "not only would prevent Microsoft from developing and releasing new versions of Windows, thus causing innovation in the leading PC platform to come to a halt, this is very good news indeed! but i don't think they will really stop shipping windows. M$ are just bluffing to try and maneuvre people exactly where they want them, it would be nice though if they did stop making windows. The funny thing about this post is that Microsoft have the nerve to claim that if new versions of windows stop being released, PC innovation will come to a halt! <gobsmacked> I reckon that if windows stops being sold, that will be the single most important boost to PC innovation since the term was coined in the late seventies/early eighties! i reckon it would be great. think of all the public spending that would immediately go towards Apple, Sun and other UNIX developers and distributers! Onward the revolution i say.... 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Thanks... jtpenrod VIP Posts: 675 Kudos: 105 Down with XP! « Reply #5 on: 29 March 2002, 08:13 » It seems that they never learn. We've heard this before. Isn't that basically what Ballmer said when he threw that temper tantrum in court a couple of weeks ago? At that time, it seemed to be nothing more than an empty threat. Now, I'm not so sure. Macro$uck seems to have grown so arrogant lately that they may actually believe their own bullshit. They may really believe that pulling Win XP from the market will cause the sum total of computing to come to a screeching halt. Fine by me. This would give NIX such a tremendous boost, that M$ would never recover once it began to dawn on them that the universe doesn't revolve around Redmond, and never did. Dare we hope?(!) _______________________________ Powered by Mandrake Linux and Freedom Computers are like air conditioners: they can't do their jobs if you open windows Logged Live Free or Die: Linux If software can be free, why can't dolphins? psyjax VIP Posts: 1,871 Kudos: 55 Down with XP! « Reply #6 on:* 29 March 2002, 08:43 » HAHAHAH! While looking for stuff about M$'s crusade against open source and the GPL, look at this bucket 'o bull dropings I found on their very own site! If this doesn't smell like FUD what does. Look at the totaly cheep conspicuous use of BOLD and large text: http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/embedded/xp/evaluation/compare/notlinux.asp This is why I say: DOWN WITH XP AND M$!!!! WOW! I started finding more M$ Linux stuff besides this embeded systems crap: http://www.microsoft.com/sbserver/evaluation/compare/linux.asp In each one they site the GPL as a fault in Linux. Very interesting. [ March 28, 2002: Message edited by: psyjax ] Logged Psyjax! I RULEZZZZ!!! HAR HAR HAR Centurian Member Posts: 235 Kudos: 0 Down with XP! « Reply #7 on: 29 March 2002, 21:30 » Hey, quote: Originally posted by psyjax: HAHAHAH! While looking for stuff about M$'s crusade against open source and the GPL, look at this bucket 'o bull dropings I found on their very own site! If this doesn't smell like FUD what does. Look at the totaly cheep conspicuous use of BOLD and large text: http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/embedded/xp/evaluation/compare/notlinux.asp This is why I say: DOWN WITH XP AND M$!!!! WOW! I started finding more M$ Linux stuff besides this embeded systems crap: http://www.microsoft.com/sbserver/evaluation/compare/linux.asp In each one they site the GPL as a fault in Linux. Very interesting. [ March 28, 2002: Message edited by: psyjax ] Well after reading that I am going to get up at 5am and go wait outside walmart until it opens so I can run in a buy a bunch of copies of XP. NOT!!! HEHEH Seriously this sounds like just more propaganda. Do anything, say anything to stay on top. Apparently that is the way it works. Logged Later Centurian jtpenrod VIP Posts: 675 Kudos: 105 Down with XP! « Reply #8 on: 29 March 2002, 10:55 » quote: HAHAHAH! While looking for stuff about M$'s crusade against open source and the GPL, look at this bucket 'o bull dropings I found on their very own site! If this doesn't smell like FUD what does. Look at the totaly cheep conspicuous use of BOLD and large text: I'll grant Macro$uck one point: embedded systems isn't one of Linux's stronger points. However, they are so obsessed with Linux that they could be setting themselves up for a real fall. The major strength of the QNX op-sys is embedded systems. QNX could easily fly in right under M$'s radar and blind-side them. Wouldn't that be poetic justice? __________________________________ Powered by Mandrake Linux and Freedom Computers are like air conditioners: they can't do their jobs if you open windows [ March 29, 2002: Message edited by: jtpenrod ] Logged Live Free or Die: Linux If software can be free, why can't dolphins? Kintaro Member Posts: 6,539 Kudos: 254 Greed is the sole driver of human progress Down with XP! « Reply #9 on: 31 March 2002, 20:45 » BIGGEST LOAD OF FUCKING SHIT I'VE EVER SEEN For example: * The MP3 basic decoder costs about $0.50 per-unit. If an OEM wants the enhanced functionality of MP3 Pro, it will pay an additional $2.50 per-unit royalty. For MP3 Pro encode and decode, costs can run an incremental $7.50 per-unit. WHat fucking drug was the writer taking. I didnt pay anything XMMS or MPEG123 I think someones been into the crack Logged Refalm rules with a broken fist! Your Internet needs You: http://tmrepository.com/ My shitty website: www.johntate.org Ever been geeky enough to be able to talk on finch over ssh? With a www.fawltyservers.com shell account, your e-penis is bigger. My extremist blog: www.extremecapitalists.com Bateluer Member Posts: 66 Kudos: 0 Down with XP! « Reply #10 on: 1 April 2002, 07:22 » The MP3 ENcoders are not supposed to be free. Fraunhofer<sp> owns the patents and charges royalties. The players are free though. Ogg Vorbis is a dang fine audio codec, IMO, and I looking forward to Ogg Tarkin. I seriously doubt WinXP will be pulled off the shelves. Its not worth the headache to government, MS, or the customers. Logged silverking Newbie Posts: 3 Kudos: 0 Down with XP! « Reply #11 on: 1 April 2002, 08:00 » It is my understanding that when you used the XP Mediaplayer to watch a DVD disc, XP sends a report back to Microsoft to tell it which movie or movies you may have watched. Is this just an XP abomination or have other versions monitored our viewing habits? Logged Master of Reality VIP Posts: 4,249 Kudos: 177 Down with XP! « Reply #12 on: 1 April 2002, 08:39 » quote: Originally posted by silverking: It is my understanding that when you used the XP Mediaplayer to watch a DVD disc, XP sends a report back to Microsoft to tell it which movie or movies you may have watched. Is this just an XP abomination or have other versions monitored our viewing habits? no, its true, its true, windows sends back what you watched and what music you play. Logged Disorder \| Rating Paranoid: Moderate Schizoid: Moderate Linux User #283518 'It takes more than a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head to stop Bob' Ctrl Alt Del 123 Member Posts: 158 Kudos: 0 Down with XP! « Reply #13 on: 1 April 2002, 22:05 » No it's NOT true that WMP sends info back to MS about what you watch/play. I have ZA on and WMP NEVER connects to the internet unless I watch a streaming video. Logged Master of Reality VIP Posts: 4,249 Kudos: 177 Down with XP! « Reply #14 on: 1 April 2002, 22:38 » either you have ZA set up wrong or you let WMP connect or you have it permanently blocked by ZA or you are lying. I just fucking (6 hrs ago) listened to "Home for a Rest" by Great big Sea after dling it from WinMX and after i was finished listening ZA poppedup and said quote: Windows media player (WMPLAYER.EXE) wants to access DNS 192.*.. (its my network DHCP server, which uses DNS forwarding.) Do you wish to grant this program access? then in the log it shows right now: quote: PE,2002/03/31,18:08:29 -5:00 GMT,WMPLAYER.EXE,192.168.0.1:80,N/A :cool: check out this: http://www.computerbytesman.com/privacy/wmp8dvd.htm [ April 01, 2002: Message edited by: Druaga ] [ April 01, 2002: Message edited by: Master of Reality ] Logged Disorder \| Rating Paranoid: Moderate Schizoid: Moderate Linux User #283518 'It takes more than a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head to stop Bob' Print Pages: [1] 2 3 Go Up** « previous next » Stop Microsoft » Forum » All Things Microsoft » Microsoft as a Company » Down with XP!
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