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cahult:
http://www.counterpunch.org/

Calum:

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sadly, natural selection favours those who survive. if people survive by killing other people, then the killers will be the progenitors of future generations. this is why the people need to rule themselves to stop the bastards from taking over.

of course this may have already happened long ago and now it's too late

or it may never be too late to stop what should never have started in the first place.

H_TeXMeX_H:

--- Quote from: Calum ---sadly, natural selection favours those who survive. if people survive by killing other people, then the killers will be the progenitors of future generations. this is why the people need to rule themselves to stop the bastards from taking over.

of course this may have already happened long ago and now it's too late

or it may never be too late to stop what should never have started in the first place.
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That's very well put (assuming there is a gene for excessively violent behavior often leading to murder ... which I'm sure there is). Unfortunately if you kill the killers don't you become one ? Or we should imprison the killers instead ? I think it's never to late to change everything to the way it's supposed to be ... the problem is getting enough power to do so, and more importantly not being corrupted by the power which you obtain. After all, you may acquire power in order to do good, but the more power you acquire the closer you get to scrapping your original plan and doing anything you want with the power (often bad news for the rest of the world) I hate this damn planet ... there are no solutions to be found here

Calum:
i see what you mean. i was rereading my issues of JSA recently (yes i am an avid comic book collector, anybody who has a problem with that, get over it), and this was one of the issues raised, essentially it was "if we don't adhere to a higher moral code, then who will?".

i personally don't see much wrong with killing rapists and torturers, and i don't see much wrong with assassinating corrupt leaders either, however these are my personal opinions, and are 100% against my actual ideology. Ideally i would never advocate those things, i would only advocate rehabilitation, at any cost. This does not mean imprisonment, but it does mean society taking a very firm control over its antisocial elements. this is difficult. it means actually engaging with the murderers and rapists, talking to them and with them. it means, essentially, forcing them to be social members of society, and keeping on forcing them until they comply. Being a rapist or a murderer is something that makes you forfeit your right to freedom of movement, so i see nothing wrong in forceably rehabilitating these people at any emotional cost to them.

i see no other real options. imprisonment, execution and transportation have all been tried and have been shown in my opinion to make little to no difference in the larger scale.

what i am really advocating is that society takes responsibility for itself, instead of the people in it complaining about each other until they all start killing and looting and raping each other.

here are some more words from me that might help explain my official position on the whole society problem: here we go and here's another one.

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